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17:47.04JeffMsweet, pdcurses is not happy in 64 bit
17:47.09JeffMguess that solves that question
17:55.31blast007heh
17:57.53JeffMdo you have any idea about the problems with uninstall?
18:01.09blast007I haven't looked too closely at it yet
18:01.14JeffMk
18:01.21blast007the main (or only) think it wasn't getting rid of was the start menu group
18:01.23JeffMI think that's all we are waiting on
18:01.34blast007k
18:01.36JeffMit's not removing the uninstaller from the app list too
18:01.42blast007ah
18:02.09blast007and I'm not gonna worry about the localization issue
18:02.33JeffMyeah our installer isn't localized
18:02.42JeffMsteam can take care of that :)
18:02.56blast007it was affecting a shortcut
18:03.02JeffMI know
18:09.38blast007JeffM: is 'fink' also something that messes up OSX systems, like macports?
18:10.09JeffMyeah
18:10.16JeffMit's worse :)
18:11.35blast007should I get rid of our Finkinfo file then?  ;)
18:11.44JeffMoh god yes
18:16.21CIA-106BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22519 10/trunk/bzflag/ (Makefile.am README README.UNIX bzflag.info.in configure.ac):
18:16.22CIA-106BZFlag: Remove README.UNIX since all it said was to read README.
18:16.22CIA-106BZFlag: Remove the Fink info file bzflag.info.in.
18:29.20blast007it's probably failing to remove the start menu because we're killing the registry settings prior to pulling the start menu folder path
18:29.45JeffMsounds pluasable
19:38.38CIA-106BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22520 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi:
19:38.38CIA-106BZFlag: Upgrade to Modern UI 2.
19:38.38CIA-106BZFlag: Set RequestExecutionLevel to admin for proper functionality on Vista and up.
19:38.38CIA-106BZFlag: Remove -publictitle from our sample HIX servers.
19:38.39CIA-106BZFlag: Create Desktop and Quick Launch shortcuts for all users.
19:38.39CIA-106BZFlag: Adjust the uninstall process order.
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20:23.27blast007hrm.. think I might just remove the quicklaunch icon
20:25.14jeffmwhatever works, windows 7 doesn't have QL by default
20:25.30blast007and on XP, it only makes it for the user installing it
20:29.28CIA-106BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22521 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: Don't bother creating the quick launch shortcut.
20:30.03blast007And with that, I believe the installer is all good.  I'll just make sure I didn't break the linux build system with my earlier change.
20:30.48blast007is "Browse User Data" a good name for the shortcut that leads the user's data?  it shows up above the program icon now, of course
20:30.56jeffmthen I think we are good to go
20:31.03jeffmwhat do you want to name it?
20:31.11jeffm"meeh"
20:31.16blast007heh
20:31.33blast007"Are we there yet?"  :P
20:32.03jeffmBrohoof
20:32.29jeffm"Don't' hate the player, hate the game"
20:41.11jeffmOlympic gold edition
20:41.18blast007hmm, and we already used "The release without a name"
20:41.54jeffm"What?
20:41.54jeffm"What?"
20:42.10jeffmor "I don't care what it's named"
20:42.28I_Died_Once"The Debian Games Team can kiss it"
20:43.00jeffm"Actually Free"
20:43.24L4m3r"Nothing Lasts Forever"
20:44.05blast007looking back, it seems like almost all of our names are sarcastic and/or self deprecating  ;D
20:44.59jeffm"ermagad relerse"
20:46.54I_Died_Once"I just met you... and this is crazy... but join my server? and pwn noobz maybe!"
20:48.50blast007"Batteries not included"
20:48.56jeffmwhat was the date of the last debian package?
20:49.38blast007squeeze is 20100405
20:50.14blast007and same for anything newer than squeeze
20:50.44jeffmyeah we did .16 on 4/1/10
20:50.55jeffmso over 2 years
20:51.17I_Died_Once"Better late than never"
20:51.40blast007"In before the end of the world"
20:51.47jeffmdoomsday edition
20:51.47I_Died_OnceApocalypse Edition
20:51.53blast007hehehe
20:52.42jeffmif it is the last releae that hits too
20:52.46jeffmworks too sorry
20:53.15BulletCatcher"Uninspired"
20:53.40L4m3r"Meh"
20:53.56jeffmyou mean like traditional american marriage :)
20:54.24jeffm"yep, that's it"
20:54.25I_Died_Oncemaybe use that line as advertisement space... "BUY CIALIS NOW FOR ONLY..."
20:54.52jeffmyou and your adds
20:55.00jeffmsure gimme 1000$ and you can name it
20:55.10I_Died_OnceI know, right
20:56.08I_Died_Once"This space for rent"
20:56.33L4m3r"The end is near"
20:56.53jeffmnigh, the end is always nigh
20:57.48I_Died_Onceabandon all hope ye who enter
21:00.26L4m3rperhaps "That's all, folks"
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21:00.38L4m3ror "Screw you guys, I'm going home"
21:00.57blast007I like "Doomsday Edition" or "Apocalypse Edition"
21:01.02jeffmthere is a changeche, however unlikely that there would be further development.
21:01.30jeffmthen we can do doomsday, since there is a server with the other name, it could look like we are making a version for it
21:01.44I_Died_OnceI'll take the endorsement
21:01.44L4m3rI think Apocalypse sounds cooler though :P
21:02.03jeffmit does, in english. It may be harder to translate
21:02.06BulletCatcher"Defy Doomsday"
21:02.11L4m3rscrambles to set up a server called Doomsday
21:02.35I_Died_Once"Its the end of the world as we know it... and I feel fine"
21:02.43L4m3rdon't most cultures have some sort of "end of days" myth that could translate?
21:02.52I_Died_OnceEnd of Days
21:02.55I_Died_Once""
21:03.14I_Died_Oncesays doomsday and the end
21:03.23L4m3ralso, a subsequent release could be "back from the dead"
21:03.33L4m3ror has that been used already?
21:03.44jeffmno clue
21:03.53BulletCatcher2.4.0 is "Wake the Dead"
21:03.55jeffmthe next one will be steam edition :)
21:04.16jeffmheh then call 2.4.2 "That didn't work as well as we hoped"
21:04.36L4m3rlol
21:04.45BulletCatcherThat's 'cause we forgot to dig.
21:05.02L4m3r"We tried"
21:05.05jeffmor nobody cared enough to
21:05.13jeffmit really is the apathy edition
21:05.30L4m3rhm, apathy edition is good
21:06.04BulletCatcherYeah, but that would make naming 2.4.4 even harder.
21:06.24jeffmdoomsday works for me, it's about the callender
21:06.27I_Died_Once2.4.4 "We still don't give a..."
21:07.21BulletCatcher"Just Under the Doomsday Deadline"
21:07.36jeffmbit long
21:07.43jeffmI'd shorten it to doomsday deadline
21:07.46L4m3r2.4.4 naming will have to depend on the circumstances
21:07.53BulletCatcherWe've had longer names.
21:07.59L4m3r"Don't get excited, it's just a bugfix"
21:08.06jeffmit's not even a bug fix
21:08.11jeffmit really is just for debian
21:08.14blast007"It compiles, ship it"
21:08.19L4m3rI mean, for 2.4.4
21:08.29I_Died_Onceno one would get it, but name it "default"
21:08.31L4m3rwe don't know what that release will actually be, if it happens
21:08.43blast007I_Died_Once: I suggested "Untitled Document" a few days back ;)
21:08.58I_Died_OnceInsert Release Name Here
21:09.11jeffm$RELEASE_NAME
21:09.19I_Died_Oncethere we go
21:09.30jeffm404 release name not found
21:10.07I_Died_Once"End of Days" does spell the end of development, as well as go withthe doomsday theme
21:13.18jeffmfires up the VM and make sure it all builds
21:15.02BulletCatcherI am reviewing the commit logs starting with r22052 to see if anything else should be added to the ChangeLog.
21:15.14jeffmk
21:16.49jeffmwe can call it "What's love got to do with it"
21:17.39BulletCatcherIf we're going to use a song title, I like "don't let the sun go down on me."
21:17.56jeffmheh
21:18.17I_Died_OnceKharma Chameleon
21:18.25jeffm"Dare to be stupid"
21:19.14I_Died_Once"Sexy and I know it"
21:19.25jeffmbzflag is not a tardis
21:19.42I_Died_Once"Opps! We did it again!"
21:20.03jeffmI think we did that once
21:20.29BulletCatcher2.0.8 is "Oops, Happy Mother's Day"
21:20.35jeffmahh ok
21:20.37I_Died_Once"I think Unicorns kick ass" edition
21:20.42jeffm"I am iron man"
21:21.29jeffmor we could cater to our average player and call it "LOL wut?"
21:22.17I_Died_Once"Machine Washable"
21:22.25I_Died_Once"No animals were harmed in the making of this game"
21:22.42I_Died_Once"Dry Clean Only"
21:22.45jeffmsadly that would not be true
21:23.18I_Died_Once"Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are"
21:23.22jeffmthe SPCA won't allow us to say how we got the donkey sound
21:23.30L4m3rlol
21:23.39I_Died_Onceoh snap
21:23.55Delusional"Better Than Nothing"... or  "What? It's FREE!"
21:24.18I_Died_Once"A priest, a rabbit, and a nun walk into a bar..."
21:24.20jeffm"You probably don't need this"
21:24.32I_Died_Once*rabbi
21:24.42BulletCatcher... and the bartender says, "what is this, a joke?"
21:24.45jeffm"Now with 100% more hats"
21:25.55I_Died_Once"made in China"
21:27.11I_Died_Once"This... is.... Spartaaaa!"
21:28.25I_Died_Once"I was banned unfairly"
21:30.35Delusional"Can I make a Feature Request?"
21:30.54I_Died_Once"Check out my defender game mode concept!"
21:31.02I_Died_Oncelol
21:31.29Delusionalheh
21:34.04jeffmlooks like linux builds still work fine blast007
21:38.07Delusional"Made Ya Jump!"
21:40.40blast007jeffm: yup, built find here in debian wheezy.  just running a distcheck now.
21:40.57jeffmI was able to distcheck and build zips
21:54.16blast007yup, same here
21:55.54jeffmwe should totally name 2.4.2 "yolo"
21:56.04jeffmbecause we obviously lack origonality
21:56.27blast007hmm, I turned smoothing off and the game crashed.  though I was using VirtualBox with the 3D acceleration disabled.
21:56.44jeffmI can try it, I have 3d enabled
21:57.24blast007I joined a the mofo server, turned off textures, then lighting, then smoothing, to be specific
21:57.30blast007s/a the/the/
21:59.26jeffmworked for me
21:59.33jeffmdoing those same steps
21:59.46blast007k
21:59.50jeffmin virtual box with ubuntu
22:00.00jeffmon intel graphics even :)
22:00.09blast007I have the VirtualBox tools installed, so it probably just got confuzled
22:00.55jeffmso we just wait for BulletCatcher to finish the update list then I think we are good
22:01.18BulletCatcherAlmost done.  I do have some additions.
22:04.09jeffmfigured you would have to
22:06.23CIA-106BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22522 10/trunk/bzflag/ChangeLog:
22:06.24CIA-106BZFlag: + final shot flag behavior
22:06.24CIA-106BZFlag: + OpenFFA observer team chat
22:06.24CIA-106BZFlag: + chat left, radar right
22:09.37BulletCatcher"Left hand on.  Right hand off."
22:09.51jeffmworks for cars and karate
22:10.32jeffmso what name?
22:12.00blast007I vote for "Doomsday Edition"  :)
22:12.11jeffmI"m fine with that
22:12.15jeffmany objections?
22:12.22BulletCatcherThat's good enough.
22:12.34BulletCatcheror: "That's good enough"
22:12.37BulletCatcher:-p
22:12.37jeffmheh
22:12.46jeffmwho wants to do the tag?
22:13.06BulletCatcherI am looking at the process in DEVINFO.
22:13.09jeffmk
22:13.15jeffmit's pretty straight forward
22:13.23jeffmI did a dry run of it last week
22:13.40BulletCatcherNot sure if bzfs_conf.html and bzfs.conf need any changes.
22:14.21blast007if they do, oh well ;)
22:14.32jeffmthose changes can go upstream
22:14.50jeffmwell downstream in the repo they'll build the package from
22:15.02BulletCatcherThey aren't any less broken than they were in 2.4.0, anyway.
22:15.11jeffmwe asked the debian guys for any patches they wanted upstream
22:15.14jeffmand they submitted some
22:16.27BulletCatcherI am concerned that Debian may find something else before they are done.
22:16.28BulletCatcherThere isn't any real rush to get the release out before they are satisfied.
22:16.44jeffmthey said we just need to make a package
22:16.50jeffmthey are waiting on us
22:16.56BulletCatcherk
22:16.58blast007if they do find things, they can patch it on their end
22:17.05BulletCatcherYeah.
22:17.11jeffmyeah I kept trying to ask if they need us to do anything else
22:17.15jeffmand they said just make a tarbal
22:17.52jeffmand I would think that if they were down to fixing warnings in man pages they go past the major problems :)
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22:25.02BulletCatcherjeffm: only in the 2.4.1 ChangeLog is your first name listed as Jeffery.
22:25.03BulletCatcherChange it if you want it to be Jeff as in the rest of the file.
22:25.16jeffmit matters not to me
22:25.37jeffmjust so long as it doesn't say "Jiffypop" like my grandad used to call me
22:25.43BulletCatcherlol
22:33.29BulletCatcherOkay, let's do this.
22:33.30BulletCatcherIt took a couple of hours last time.  I expect it to be about as long this time.
22:33.42jeffmhours?
22:33.51jeffmwhat takes the most time?
22:33.55BulletCatcherYeah.  Mostly testing.
22:33.59jeffmahh ok
22:35.01BulletCatcherI am working on the 2.4.1 -> 2.4.2 commit.
22:35.06jeffmk
22:39.02BulletCatchertools/TextTool-W32/TextTool.rc just says version 2.4
22:39.06BulletCatcherwant to change that?
22:39.21jeffmyeah, gimme a sec
22:39.34BulletCatcherI'll do it in my commit.
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22:41.55JeffMI pondered giving the windows client a version resource too
22:42.11BulletCatcherNow is the time if you want to do that.
22:42.23JeffMthat would be why I rebooted to windows :)
22:44.54JeffMwhy did I use MFC.....
22:45.51CIA-106BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * r22523 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/TextTool-W32/ (TextTool.rc TextTool.sln resource.h):
22:45.51CIA-106BZFlag: upgrade text tool to VC10
22:45.51CIA-106BZFlag: give it a valid version resource for some reason.
22:46.30JeffMoh I already did the client
22:46.43JeffMwant me to change it to 2.4.2 ?
22:47.27JeffMit's just an edit to bzflag.rc
22:47.32BulletCatcherI am ready to commit all of the other 2.4.2 number changes.
22:47.43BulletCatcherIncluding that one.
22:47.49JeffMthen go for it
22:47.55L4m3r:o
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22:48.26*** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://wiki.BZFlag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || 2.4.2 happens now. deal with it
22:49.03CIA-106BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22524 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Update version number to 2.4.2, Doomsday Edition.
22:49.56BulletCatcherPlease do the title.psd and .png files, JeffM.
22:50.10JeffMheh, have to reboot for that
22:50.13JeffMone sec
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22:52.56jeffmannnnd of course 10.8 doesn't come with command line svn….
22:53.43BulletCatcherTake your time.
22:53.56jeffmit's just annoying :)
22:57.29CIA-106BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * r22525 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/art/title.psd: Update psd to 2.4.2
22:58.19CIA-106BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * r22526 10/trunk/bzflag/data/title.png: Update title png to 2.4.2
22:58.27jeffmthere ya go
22:58.35BulletCatcherThanks.
22:58.41jeffmonly had to use a 30$ tool…
22:58.54CIA-106BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22527 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: Include bzls.lua in the list of files to have their protocol number incremented.
22:59.07BulletCatcherMaybe next time I'll figure out how to use Gimp for that.
22:59.08blast007jeffm: omg, a non-Free tool!
22:59.09blast007;)
22:59.29jeffmBulletCatcher, you can't the PSD uses layer effects that gimp can't render
22:59.31jeffmI tried
22:59.56BulletCatcherThat explains why it wasn't obvious how to do it. :-)
23:00.06jeffmblast007, dude just to download the COMMAND line tools I have to register an account at colab net
23:00.22jeffmBulletCatcher, yeah in photoshop all you do is select the 1 and type 2 :)
23:00.57BulletCatcherIn the future we could change the .psd file to a Gimp .xcf format.
23:01.10BulletCatcherThat's low on my priority list.
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23:01.15jeffmsure then limit what apps can edit it
23:01.33blast007jeffm: this site doesn't require registration: http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/download#osx
23:01.56blast007and they have both a GUI and a vanilla CLI version
23:02.46jeffmit's just sad that the site linked from the official svn site wants to know if my company makes more or less then 25 million a year
23:03.00blast007jeffm: the one I listed was linked right after that one
23:03.05jeffmahh
23:03.27jeffmcornerstone is a good svn client, not worth the money but it's good
23:03.32BulletCatcherI am building now.  It takes 15-20 minutes with my single core CPU.
23:03.49blast007I like how the first two they link to will help you hose your system up
23:04.02jeffmawww ubserSVN can't be opened because it is from an unidentified developer…..
23:04.07blast007lol
23:04.49blast007I think apple has made a lot of people unhappy, developers and users alike
23:05.02jeffmand now it says "do you want the application 'java' to accept incoming connections"
23:05.23jeffmawesome, it installed a server
23:06.31jeffmand.. there is no way to get rid of it
23:06.45blast007they don't list a OSX 10.8 version
23:06.56jeffmthe entire app is web based
23:07.02jeffmso it installs it's own HTTP server
23:07.16blast007.. what?
23:07.22jeffmyep
23:07.28blast007this is subversion we're talking about, right?  :)
23:07.32jeffmyep
23:07.35jeffmubersvn
23:07.44blast007wtf
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23:07.50jeffmexcatly
23:08.12jeffmthey wrapped svn up in there own little shell
23:08.19jeffmto do repo hosting and client stuff
23:08.26blast007and that was under the Community Binaries ?
23:09.17blast007oh wait, nvm.. ubersvn, the other site
23:09.21jeffmno that was above that, I missread
23:10.00blast007so remind me again why anyone would want to develop software on or for OSX?  :)
23:10.15jeffmcis the mac is better
23:10.20jeffmOF COURSE!
23:12.32jeffmfound a shell script to remove it
23:12.36blast007http://www.svnforum.org/threads/40272-How-to-uninstall-UberSVN-from-Mac-OS-Lion  <-- though I'd probably run the commands in the script manually and individually
23:12.40blast007oh, probably the same thing ;)
23:13.11jeffmyeah the 10.5 command line bin they have won't install on 10.8
23:13.29jeffmwho'd thunk that installing an app on windows would be easier ;)
23:13.38blast007about the 10.7 one?
23:13.52blast007they had the ones for the older OS at the top.. :)
23:14.00jeffmyeah I see that now
23:14.50jeffmand that installer chokes part way thru….
23:15.49blast007lol
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23:22.42jeffmand now the app store has updated xchat so now that's broken and won't draw
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23:33.15BulletCatcherLast call before tagging the release.
23:33.21BulletCatcherIs everyone happy with r22527?
23:35.03jeffmgo for it
23:36.59apeman_2.4.2 is coming out?
23:37.29BulletCatcherSee the channel topic.
23:38.06jeffmit's just so debian can make a package for us
23:38.38CIA-106BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22528 10/tags/v2_4_2/: Tagged copy of r22527, BZFlag version 2.4.2.
23:40.44jeffmI've got 2.4.3 versions of the images where never you are ready for em
23:41.16BulletCatcherOkay.  Not quite yet. :-)
23:42.02jeffmI know
23:42.15jeffmI just saved them after I did the other edits in case I had to reboot again :)
23:42.25BulletCatcherGood planning.
23:43.37short_circuit:D
23:46.01apeman_did python plugin ever work?
23:46.40blast007sure, at some point
23:47.11blast007and by some definition of "work"
23:47.40apeman_did anyone use it to make anything?
23:47.56apeman_even an example
23:48.03blast007dunno
23:48.11jeffmnope
23:48.14jeffmit was never finished
23:48.21jeffmit only had a few API functions hooked up
23:48.27jeffmbut in concept it could be finished easaly
23:48.57blast007it wouldn't be as useful if it wasn't kept updated though
23:49.37blast007might be less painful on 2.4 than 2.0 though, since the API is done a bit differently
23:50.01blast007or was the plugin only in 2.99.x?
23:50.04jeffmthe hard work is binding the functions so it's about th same
23:50.11jeffmoh no that plugin was 1.10 ;)
23:50.14jeffmit's old
23:50.18blast007ah :)
23:50.38jeffmthat was dave and micha
23:51.18blast007weren't plugins added in 2.0?
23:51.31blast0072.0.4 specifically
23:51.47jeffmmaybe
23:52.00jeffmwell whatever version I did plugins in, that's when they did the python thing
23:52.04blast0072.0.4 "Shiny"    "* Server-side plugin API and plugins - Jeff Myers"
23:52.15jeffmit was when they were doing pybzflag
23:53.08apeman_im looking at it in 2.0.16/plugins/python
23:53.18jeffmok
23:53.21jeffmit's still the same
23:53.23blast007apeman_: doesn't exist in 2.4
23:53.28jeffmit was never developed
23:53.37jeffmit should not be hard to port to 2.4
23:53.40jeffmand finish
23:54.32apeman_the question is, would supporting python even double the number of people who are capable of writing a plugin
23:54.42jeffmno
23:55.05jeffmI don't think the C++ syntax is the gating factor
23:55.31BulletCatcherI have bzflag-2.4.2.zip, .gz, and .bz2 files that all expand to exactly the same hierarchy.
23:55.32BulletCatcherI'll just upload them to SourceForge and we can test/build from there before announcing.
23:55.41jeffmyep
23:55.58blast007the python plugin was started somewhere around 2005
23:56.01jeffmok, this is sad, the simplest way for me to do svn on the mac, share a folder from a linux vm and svn co and up in the VM
23:56.12blast007lol
23:56.17jeffmworks great tho
23:57.14jeffmblast007:  you want to do winnows build or should I?
23:57.33BulletCatcherOkay, why can't I find the link to do uploads.  I *am* logged in.
23:58.04BulletCatcherFound it.  Needed to enable more JavaScript.
23:58.06blast007jeffm: I only have VC Express and can only do 32-bit, so it depends if it's okay to use that.  :)
23:58.22jeffmit should be
23:58.32blast007then sure, I'll go for it
23:58.35jeffmwe can't do a 64 bit package with pdcurses, it is 32bit only
23:59.02blast007pdcurses ftl
23:59.10blast007or just bzadmin ftl..
23:59.24jeffmyeah I don't think there is a 64 bit version of the command line interpereter
23:59.37jeffmcis why would it need more then 4 gigs of ram
23:59.58jeffmBulletCatcher: yeah they went all web 2.0

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