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| 17:53.15 | khonkhortisan | If one could see whether other players had tanks with covered/exposed/no tracks, would it be that |
| 17:53.30 | khonkhortisan | a) your tank must explode for you to get a new one, or |
| 17:53.59 | khonkhortisan | b) people see your tank change every time you change it? |
| 18:01.11 | JeffM | that would need a proto change |
| 18:01.20 | JeffM | but it should change when they change it |
| 18:01.28 | JeffM | since I assume it'd be a message "SetTankStyle" |
| 18:01.39 | JeffM | that'd be the only way to have it ignored by old tanks |
| 18:01.41 | JeffM | old clients |
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| 18:07.50 | khonkhortisan | it's actually ignored if I add it to the end of preexisting messages |
| 18:08.05 | khonkhortisan | I was going with something like MsgTankChange |
| 18:10.21 | JeffM | don't do that |
| 18:10.24 | JeffM | PLEASE don't do that |
| 18:10.29 | JeffM | that's just bad design |
| 18:10.53 | JeffM | you could end up with buffer overuns if someone makes any assumption about message size |
| 18:10.58 | JeffM | just have another message |
| 18:11.07 | JeffM | that fixes your change problem |
| 18:11.12 | JeffM | messages are cheap |
| 18:11.43 | JeffM | and call it MsgSetModelOptions so we can extend it later |
| 18:19.13 | JeffM | is so glad all other problems are solved so that we can work on tank graphics :) |
| 18:35.21 | blast007 | I wonder if the macports crap was what was causing allejo's segfaults as well |
| 18:36.01 | blast007 | also, if marzipan sticks around for more than 2 minutes next time, maybe we can figure out why he's getting segfaults |
| 19:08.50 | JeffM | staying on IRC is hard |
| 19:09.02 | JeffM | you have to catch and send back all those hearbeat packets |
| 20:02.57 | JeffM | oh sooooo much shame going around at work today |
| 20:04.21 | blast007 | what, passing around printouts of BZFlag code? :P |
| 20:04.58 | JeffM | sadly no |
| 20:05.16 | JeffM | when our build breaks the automation system sends out an email to the "list o shame" |
| 20:05.27 | JeffM | "The automated nightly build of GibbsCAM Constellation 10.4.1.4 failed. |
| 20:05.28 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.28 | JeffM | " |
| 20:05.43 | JeffM | I had double shame today |
| 20:06.01 | JeffM | it sucks when you forget to checkin a header |
| 20:06.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:06.28 | JeffM | well and there is this, 'merica should be shamed. http://gizmodo.com/5926274/7+11-now-serves-mashed-potatoes-like-a-slurpee |
| 20:06.50 | blast007 | oh gawd |
| 20:07.45 | khonkhortisan | you know you're on the wrong server when you get killed by the server for killing the rabbit |
| 20:08.17 | blast007 | "Hey, it's duck season, jerk!" |
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| 20:32.06 | khonkhortisan | castle warfare is bleeping out my revision number |
| 20:46.14 | JeffM | bleeping? |
| 20:51.59 | blast007 | maybe they have 'sos' in their badwords, so it's bleeping out the 505 in r22505? :P |
| 20:58.42 | khonkhortisan | it's replacing it with swear symbols | no, it's this "r22504+per-person treadStyle" | I now know why it was doing that |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM | so I assume we don't care enough to ship 2.4.2 anytime soon? |
| 21:00.31 | khonkhortisan | what has to happen first? |
| 21:00.32 | blast007 | I don't think we should put anything new into it... |
| 21:00.44 | JeffM | as far as I know, just making sure a mac build works |
| 21:01.05 | JeffM | I agree if we are going to do it soon it should not have any new feature code |
| 21:01.07 | blast007 | I'd be curious about Marzipan's segfault as well, and I'd like to see if allejo's crash is fixed |
| 21:01.18 | JeffM | all mac issues |
| 21:01.32 | JeffM | we just need Constitution to build a test .app |
| 21:01.32 | blast007 | maybe. I do no tknow if Marzipan is linux or mac |
| 21:01.35 | blast007 | not know* |
| 21:02.16 | JeffM | I got bzadmin to build with pdcurses but didn't have time to test it |
| 21:02.24 | khonkhortisan | What I broke is in the patches I kept to myself :) |
| 21:03.00 | JeffM | you know you can make branches too right? |
| 21:03.08 | JeffM | then you can just rebase them and keep them current |
| 21:04.10 | khonkhortisan | is reading up on what rebasing means |
| 21:04.42 | JeffM | doing a merge from what you branched from into your branch to pick up changes that were made while you were seperated |
| 21:05.00 | JeffM | so if you make a branch and add your tank stuff, then I fix a bug in trunk |
| 21:05.07 | JeffM | you merge my changes in trunk into your branch |
| 21:05.22 | JeffM | that way they are in sync for all thigns except your tank changes. |
| 21:05.56 | JeffM | Rebase == Resync with the base code |
| 21:06.49 | blast007 | if that's the development model we'd adapt, a DVCS might be nicer |
| 21:07.06 | JeffM | if that's the full model yes |
| 21:07.21 | JeffM | but for ONE dude doing changes that just need to wait till after a version |
| 21:07.26 | JeffM | then the braches we have are fine |
| 21:08.10 | JeffM | since it won't need the ability to pull parts from different branches into a mainline |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM | but if you want to change to another VCS, go for it |
| 21:08.25 | JeffM | you keep talking about it |
| 21:18.06 | blast007 | that'd only be if we were starting over |
| 21:18.30 | blast007 | it's not feasible to migrate our SVN to a DVCS without losing history |
| 21:18.44 | khonkhortisan | let's just use it for bzflag 3 :P |
| 21:19.53 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.07 | toto | hello |
| 22:42.20 | Guest4661 | I have no sound in the game |
| 22:42.27 | Guest4661 | can you tell me why? |
| 22:43.11 | Guest4661 | in the option menu I have "unavailable" for the sound |
| 22:43.27 | Guest4661 | but my sound card works with other video games |
| 22:44.43 | JeffM | what OS? |
| 22:44.56 | Guest4661 | GNU/Linux |
| 22:45.19 | JeffM | you probably have the wrong SDL installed for your sound system |
| 22:45.32 | Guest4661 | how can I see the requirements? |
| 22:45.49 | Guest4661 | I have compiled it from source code |
| 22:45.55 | JeffM | do you know what sounds system your card uses? it'll be something like ALSA, ESD, etc.. |
| 22:46.10 | JeffM | dosn't matter, bzflag dosn't directly interface with your soundcard, we use SDL for that |
| 22:46.34 | JeffM | are you on ubuntu or some variant that uses apt for packages? |
| 22:46.42 | Guest4661 | Alsa |
| 22:46.46 | Guest4661 | I use alsa |
| 22:46.55 | JeffM | then make sure you have the sdl alsa package installed |
| 22:47.00 | Guest4661 | yes I am on a ubuntu |
| 22:47.04 | JeffM | and not like OSS or ESD |
| 22:47.15 | JeffM | you should see multiple SDL packages in synaptic |
| 22:47.23 | JeffM | OSS is probably active |
| 22:47.37 | JeffM | set it to another one, apply the changes then see if you get sound |
| 22:47.42 | Guest4661 | I don't use synaptic but I use apt-get and apt-file :) |
| 22:47.47 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:47.54 | JeffM | whatever gets you packages |
| 22:48.04 | JeffM | this is a REALY common problem for linux users |
| 22:48.05 | Guest4661 | ok I install libsdl, libsdlmixer and libsdlttf |
| 22:48.19 | Guest4661 | and the dev packages corresponding |
| 22:48.35 | JeffM | there is probably more then one specific packages for libSDL |
| 22:48.46 | JeffM | I belive libSDL is a metapackage that just refrences another |
| 22:49.57 | Guest4661 | that's a bit strange because the confgure script should warn me about a missing package installed isn't it? |
| 22:50.04 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:50.12 | JeffM | like I said, WE don't do anything with sound |
| 22:50.17 | JeffM | you had SDL that's all it cared about |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM | we don't know that your SDL dosn't work with our sound card |
| 22:52.07 | JeffM | tho the current ubuntu sdl says it's configured with alsa, oss, and pulse audio |
| 22:52.15 | JeffM | so maybe you need to tell it to use alsa |
| 22:52.47 | Guest4661 | do I need to recompile now? |
| 22:52.51 | JeffM | no |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM | once again, it has NOTHING to do with our code |
| 22:53.09 | JeffM | SDL is a third party library that handles it |
| 22:53.19 | Guest4661 | but I have a lot of games which use SDL and the sound works correctly |
| 22:53.23 | JeffM | ok |
| 22:53.33 | JeffM | we have no idea why SDL would ignore us then |
| 22:53.35 | Guest4661 | the problem comes only with bzflag |
| 22:53.41 | JeffM | we just ask it to play a sound |
| 22:53.45 | JeffM | and it says yes or no |
| 22:54.10 | JeffM | you may need to specify audio driver strings that we can pass to SDL |
| 22:54.23 | JeffM | there is a place in the in-game settings to set them |
| 22:54.31 | JeffM | but I don't know what to set them too off the top of my head |
| 22:55.20 | Guest4661 | is it possible it doesn't found the audio files? |
| 22:55.36 | JeffM | not if it's drawing text, the textures are stored in the same place |
| 22:55.45 | JeffM | if we can't find the data folder it says so in the command line |
| 22:55.49 | Guest4661 | because I compile then I run directly withouy installing : src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 22:55.58 | Guest4661 | *without |
| 22:56.04 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 22:56.10 | JeffM | installing just adds it to the path |
| 22:57.18 | Guest4661 | in-game I can't set anything in the menu because the audio options are "sound volume" and "remote sounds" |
| 22:58.14 | JeffM | you installed libsdl-sound1.2-dev ? |
| 22:58.41 | Guest4661 | no it wasn't installed |
| 22:58.45 | Guest4661 | I install it |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM | you need to install that like the readme says |
| 22:58.53 | JeffM | thats why |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM | you did not build with sound support |
| 22:59.01 | JeffM | sound is optional |
| 22:59.28 | JeffM | the readme also talks about possible sound driver strings |
| 23:00.23 | Guest4661 | Ok I will read more carefullt this README file because I have not seen this requirement |
| 23:00.31 | Guest4661 | *carefully |
| 23:00.50 | JeffM | what source code are you using? svn or the old 2.4.0 stuff? |
| 23:01.21 | Guest4661 | yes |
| 23:01.25 | Guest4661 | I use 2.4.0 |
| 23:01.38 | Guest4661 | and nothing about libsdl-sound1.2-dev in the README file |
| 23:01.38 | JeffM | you should probably use SVN, it's newer and has a better readme |
| 23:01.44 | JeffM | 2.4.0 is over a year old |
| 23:01.45 | Guest4661 | ok |
| 23:02.20 | blast007 | Guest4661: it IS covered in README.Linux :P |
| 23:02.30 | blast007 | even in 2.4.0, I think |
| 23:02.49 | JeffM | yeah you need to read the one for your OK, the linux one has a section just on ubuntu |
| 23:03.09 | Guest4661 | Ok I don't read the good README :) |
| 23:03.19 | Guest4661 | now I see the requirements |
| 23:03.33 | blast007 | but again, get the code from SVN. There were issues with 2.4.0 on Linux. |
| 23:03.46 | blast007 | ~bzsvn |
| 23:03.46 | ibot | i guess bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 23:04.03 | JeffM | the wiki article has good info on how to get from svn |
| 23:04.42 | blast007 | for instance, not everything listed in the README.Linux in 2.4.0 was actually needed - a few stray libraries from 2.99.x got left in there by mistake. Also, the build system in 2.4.0 didn't properly detect some system libraries. |
| 23:05.11 | blast007 | There issues were resolved in the SVN trunk code (2.4.1, which will be released as 2.4.2 soon-ish) |
| 23:08.27 | Guest4661 | I install libsdl-sound1.2-dev, I recompile the game (configure, make) but no sound on 2.4.0 :-( |
| 23:08.34 | Guest4661 | I will try with the svn version |
| 23:09.36 | JeffM | you will need to run autogen.sh on the svn version |
| 23:09.56 | Guest4661 | ok |
| 23:21.10 | blast007 | Guest4661: by "recompile" do you mean you ran configure again? |
| 23:21.42 | blast007 | the configure script detects what support your system had and decides how to build the software |
| 23:22.00 | blast007 | so at the end of that, READ the output. I think it will tell you if it will be using SDL or not. |
| 23:22.23 | blast007 | Without SDL support, I think we fall back to OSS support, which is an older sound system that you probably do not have. |
| 23:32.46 | Guest4661 | yes ran configure again |
| 23:33.12 | Guest4661 | I removed the folder |
| 23:33.27 | Guest4661 | then again untar then compile |
| 23:33.38 | Guest4661 | and now the sound works |
| 23:33.45 | Guest4661 | :) |
| 23:33.52 | Guest4661 | with the old 2.4.0 |
| 23:34.34 | Guest4661 | I also installed a different version of sdl : |
| 23:34.38 | Guest4661 | libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 23:35.11 | Guest4661 | instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM | whatever works for ya |
| 23:35.27 | Guest4661 | yes I am happy |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM | linux sound is a pain, too many conpeting sound systems |
| 23:36.32 | JeffM | blast007, I think we should call 2.4.2 "thanks for all the fish" |
| 23:36.52 | Guest4661 | anyway thank you for the support |
| 23:36.59 | Guest4661 | bye bye ;) |
| 23:37.02 | JeffM | sure, have fun |
| 23:37.05 | blast007 | bye |
| 23:44.43 | spldart | I should play |
| 23:44.46 | spldart | wiggle wiggle |