| 00:00.09 | kevinz | btw it has a GENUINE IBM logo on it |
| 00:00.18 | jeffm | good for it |
| 00:00.45 | kevinz | Yeah, I think IBM's desktop market got bought out by Lenovo |
| 00:00.56 | jeffm | last melenium |
| 00:01.31 | kevinz | It runs the latest KDE fine |
| 00:01.38 | jeffm | good for it |
| 00:01.45 | blast007 | so does a toaster |
| 00:01.54 | jeffm | the onboard chipset was not intended for games |
| 00:02.05 | jeffm | if you want to be the maintainer of a game you should have some gaming hardware |
| 00:02.08 | kevinz | I figured |
| 00:02.46 | kevinz | Though Netrek and Crossfire worked without 3d graphics |
| 00:03.01 | jeffm | because those are 2d games ;) |
| 00:03.09 | jeffm | bzflag is a 3d game |
| 00:03.11 | kevinz | Oh, there's a difference? |
| 00:03.17 | kevinz | (joke) |
| 00:03.58 | blast007 | even some "2D" games would not run well without 3D acceleration, since many modern 2D games utilize 3D accelerated graphics hardware to speed up the peformance |
| 00:04.21 | jeffm | most of the modern desktop layers use 3d for compositing |
| 00:04.29 | kevinz | For instance, even Crossfire has an optional OpenGL renderer. |
| 00:04.32 | jeffm | the hardware is much faster |
| 00:04.37 | jeffm | yeah bzflag does not |
| 00:04.57 | kevinz | Hardware acceleration is sort of mandatory for BZFlag. |
| 00:04.57 | jeffm | you should have learned a bit about the project before you tried to apply to be the maintainer |
| 00:05.27 | kevinz | I had a graphics card on the winblows computer |
| 00:05.44 | jeffm | it probably runs better then your bsd box |
| 00:05.56 | kevinz | Yes, it can actually run bzflag |
| 00:06.19 | jeffm | modern windows video drivers are pretty good |
| 00:06.20 | kevinz | It also happens to run a FlightGear |
| 00:06.26 | jeffm | even the ATI ones run beter |
| 00:06.46 | kevinz | I'll try again when I have BSD installed on that box instead |
| 00:07.18 | blast007 | or just keep playing it on Windows ;) |
| 00:07.25 | kevinz | Right. |
| 00:07.47 | jeffm | it gets updated sooner then most linux and bad variants |
| 00:07.52 | kevinz | So, are you guys still planning to tag 2.4.2 anytime soon? |
| 00:07.58 | jeffm | sure |
| 00:08.03 | kevinz | Have fun. |
| 00:08.09 | blast007 | by Christmas |
| 00:08.18 | jeffm | maybe halloween |
| 00:08.26 | blast007 | well, I didn't say *which* Christmas |
| 00:08.39 | kevinz | jeffm didn't say which Halloween... |
| 00:08.51 | jeffm | honestly probalby in a couple weeks |
| 00:09.09 | blast007 | yeah, there's not much that needs testing, since not that much has changed |
| 00:09.10 | jeffm | I don't think anything is outstanding, we just have to have the various people go thru the steps |
| 00:09.21 | jeffm | I just need to verify the installers work with VC10 |
| 00:09.28 | jeffm | I'm pretty sure they do |
| 00:09.54 | kevinz | So, not to start an OS war... but you guys all use Windows, right? |
| 00:10.12 | jeffm | I use whatever OS is best for the task |
| 00:10.18 | jeffm | I'm on a mac right now |
| 00:10.23 | jeffm | but I can boot it to windows |
| 00:10.37 | jeffm | and I use linux for hosting stuff on the interweebs |
| 00:10.55 | jeffm | the os is just a tool |
| 00:11.01 | jeffm | not a religon |
| 00:11.13 | kevinz | That's true. |
| 00:11.23 | kevinz | Though I never really figured out how to do development on Windows. |
| 00:11.41 | jeffm | you install visual studio and write code |
| 00:11.45 | jeffm | or install mingw and write code |
| 00:11.48 | kevinz | The closest I came to was Visual Basic and then mingw. |
| 00:11.51 | jeffm | there are several ways |
| 00:12.26 | kevinz | But no, I'm not a developer at all, so I could care less. |
| 00:12.56 | jeffm | then you are going to make a very poor mantainer |
| 00:13.09 | kevinz | That's really unfortunate. |
| 00:13.37 | kevinz | But I think it's a step up from no maintainer. |
| 00:13.54 | jeffm | it can be |
| 00:14.07 | jeffm | if you make bad choices and get a package that has issues, then it makes us look bad |
| 00:14.20 | jeffm | rather then an old package where the user has to update it themselves |
| 00:14.27 | kevinz | Well, so far my stuff works. |
| 00:14.39 | jeffm | on an intel chipset ;) |
| 00:14.46 | kevinz | Not BZFlag. |
| 00:14.48 | jeffm | but really it doesn't matter, bzflag has been in decline for years now |
| 00:14.50 | kevinz | I haven't touched that yet. |
| 00:16.28 | kevinz | I'm not terribly good with programming, but I *think* I know enough to make stuff work. |
| 00:16.59 | jeffm | just study up some more, programing is not hard if you take the time to learn it |
| 00:17.02 | kevinz | That's not the best attitude, but I do /try/ to make my stuff work perfectly. |
| 00:17.40 | kevinz | I program mostly as a hobby. I've worked mostly with Java, and I can do a bit with C. |
| 00:18.05 | kevinz | I've never done any graphical programming in C, though. |
| 00:18.17 | kevinz | No, I'm not a particularly qualified person. |
| 00:18.19 | jeffm | it's the same in any language |
| 00:18.59 | kevinz | Any suggestions on what to learn first? |
| 00:19.28 | jeffm | just go thru the C++ tutorials that are online then just make things |
| 00:19.47 | kevinz | That's the thing. I've never actually figured out what I should make. |
| 00:19.56 | jeffm | start small |
| 00:19.58 | jeffm | then work up |
| 00:20.45 | kevinz | Always good advice |
| 00:35.31 | kevinz | How many people are left doing bzflag development? |
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| 15:02.48 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://wiki.BZFlag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || Make with the 2.4.2 |
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| 15:29.45 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22492 10/trunk/bzflag/ChangeLog: don't forget fastmap |
| 15:29.59 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22493 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: news is empty, use ChangeLog for notes |
| 15:49.27 | JeffM | make distcheck seems to fail on the curl dirs |
| 15:56.40 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22494 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/ (build/bzflag.vcxproj bzflag.rc resource.h): give the client a version resource |
| 15:58.21 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22495 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/Makefile.am: add the res header to the dist |
| 17:29.18 | JeffM | hmm looks like make dist works, and the zips it makes I can build from, but I'm not sure about distcheck, trying on an ubuntu system |
| 17:41.07 | JeffM | yeah looks like make distclean still hangs in the curl section http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/2168802 |
| 17:41.42 | JeffM | if anyone is awake can people test these packages to see if they are acceptable? http://www.awesomelaser.com/bz/testing/ |
| 17:43.13 | JeffM | cus I can tag it if it's all good |
| 17:44.14 | blast007 | shouldn't we wait to tag until distclean works? |
| 17:44.24 | JeffM | I don't know what it does |
| 17:44.25 | JeffM | but yeah |
| 17:44.31 | JeffM | that's the only thing that dosn't work |
| 17:44.40 | JeffM | but it seems to still make ok tarbals |
| 17:44.49 | JeffM | so I don't know if it's just a cosmetic error or not |
| 17:45.20 | JeffM | so I'll hold the commit untill that gets fixed if someone is willing to look into it |
| 17:45.40 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.15 | JeffM | sorry I mistyped, I meant distcheck |
| 17:46.17 | JeffM | not distclean |
| 17:46.35 | JeffM | distclean works fine |
| 17:46.57 | blast007 | http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/automake.html#Checking-the-Distribution |
| 17:48.00 | JeffM | it seems to be hanging in the curl files, the ones we don't maintain |
| 17:48.38 | JeffM | yet it tarballs them up just fine |
| 17:57.16 | blast007 | does the 64-bit build not identify itself as such in the version string? |
| 17:57.54 | blast007 | perhaps I'm thinking of 2.99.x |
| 17:58.23 | JeffM | I don't remmber hooking that up |
| 17:58.24 | JeffM | I can |
| 17:59.52 | blast007 | nah, not too important |
| 18:00.02 | blast007 | are we still gonna do a 64-bit binary for windows this time around? |
| 18:00.30 | JeffM | I don't see why not, it's all hooked up |
| 18:00.45 | JeffM | fullbuild spits out both installers |
| 18:01.10 | JeffM | even tho very few people downloaded the 64 bit one last time |
| 18:01.16 | JeffM | I'd be fine not uploading it |
| 18:02.09 | blast007 | my make distcheck died in ares |
| 18:02.23 | blast007 | I'm using all system libraries, so I wonder if that's the reason |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM | did it tell you to install geoff ? |
| 18:02.40 | blast007 | ah, wait, I need to install some package |
| 18:02.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:02.52 | JeffM | I got that, then it dies in curl |
| 18:04.17 | blast007 | bleh.. needs ghostscript for ps2pdf, which brings in crap like avahi |
| 18:04.53 | blast007 | perhaps just the lib and not the actual daemon though |
| 18:05.40 | blast007 | JeffM: are you using a desktop install of Ubuntu? |
| 18:05.49 | JeffM | yeah in a VM |
| 18:05.58 | blast007 | probably already had ghostscript then |
| 18:06.35 | blast007 | I should do it from a desktop install as well so the client builds as well :) |
| 18:08.19 | JeffM | I'll go try a mac build later today to make sure those work |
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| 20:43.30 | JeffM | did anyone try those installers? |
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| 20:52.09 | alezakos | What does the word "those" refer to? |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.39 | blast007 | both the 32-bit and 64-bit worked for me |
| 21:01.03 | JeffM | do the tarbals orks? |
| 21:01.06 | JeffM | work |
| 21:05.17 | blast007 | have not tried them yet |
| 21:05.49 | blast007 | JeffM: what version and architecture of ubuntu had you tried it on? |
| 21:06.08 | JeffM | 32 bit, have no clue what arc |
| 21:07.00 | blast007 | 32/64 bit was what I was referring to for architecture |
| 21:07.12 | JeffM | it's current ubuntu |
| 21:07.14 | JeffM | whatever that is |
| 21:07.19 | blast007 | 12.04 then |
| 21:07.35 | blast007 | I've got 32 and 64 bit here that I'll get building |
| 21:16.51 | delusional_ | which is mac? |
| 21:17.06 | JeffM | none |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM | I haven't made one yet |
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| 21:21.59 | JeffM | we should charge $2.99 for the mac version, it's owners are used to that |
| 21:24.58 | alezakos | BTW, JeffM, did you hear that Sourceforge is dropping support for Hosted Apps? Not a big problem with BZFlag though, as the only hosted app is Trac and it only contains a couple of test bug reports. |
| 21:25.47 | JeffM | yes I saw that |
| 21:25.50 | JeffM | what of it? |
| 21:27.37 | delusional_ | I've never heard of that. |
| 21:30.16 | JeffM | as is normal, the mac build requires mystic sorcery, so Constitution will have to make one at some point |
| 21:30.38 | JeffM | because installing xcode dosn't install a compiler the configure script can see |
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| 21:37.08 | alezakos | Just compiled bzflag using the tar.gz archive on my 32bit Ubuntu_Server_12.04 eeePC netbook and it seems to be working perfectly fine. |
| 21:42.59 | alezakos | 2.4.1 64bit works on Windows like a charm as well. |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM | well other then using more ram then the 32bit one |
| 21:56.21 | blast007 | JeffM: builds and works fine for me in both 32 and 64 bit Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:56.27 | blast007 | the client, anyways |
| 21:56.28 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:56.35 | blast007 | the server I've been testing all along ;) |
| 21:56.57 | JeffM | so it looks like it make tarbals that worked even tho distcheck failed |
| 22:03.13 | blast007 | I'll have to dig into why it's hanging up in that perl one-liner |
| 22:03.42 | JeffM | I let it sit for a long while thinking maybe it's a complex find, but after 30 min I killed it |
| 22:04.26 | blast007 | yeah, it's just sitting there idle |
| 22:04.49 | blast007 | no disk or CPU activity |
| 22:19.40 | blast007 | JeffM: bzadmin on windows still doesn't seem to be using PDCurses |
| 22:19.57 | JeffM | suck |
| 22:20.04 | JeffM | it should be part of the build |
| 22:20.12 | JeffM | maybe just the #def is missing |
| 22:24.50 | blast007 | I see the pdcurses.dll file is included with the installer. |
| 22:25.15 | blast007 | does not seem to be linked to it though (I can rename it and bzadmin still launches) |
| 22:25.49 | JeffM | then the #def is probalby missing in the build targets for release |
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| 23:48.50 | blast007 | JeffM: ooo, and one think I just thought of that I noticed recently. My bzfs likes to segfault when I stop it using the serverControl plugin. |
| 23:48.56 | blast007 | thing* |
| 23:49.07 | blast007 | it didn't used to do that |
| 23:49.10 | JeffM | probably should debug that sucker |
| 23:49.42 | blast007 | I should see if I can duplicate it on a system with a GUI, perferrably on Windows ;) |
| 23:50.12 | blast007 | seemed it wasn't specifically that plugin, because it worked when I just had that loaded. |
| 23:50.28 | blast007 | so I was trying to narrow down what option/plugin combination was causing it |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM | should just be able to run bzfs in a debuger and see where it poops |
| 23:54.33 | blast007 | the trace wasn't overly useful |
| 23:54.44 | blast007 | the only part that was in bzfs was #4 0x00000000004dbd8e in WorldEventManager::~WorldEventManager (this=0x7d9360, __in_chrg=<optimized out>) at WorldEventManager.cxx:32 |
| 23:56.00 | blast007 | I'd probably have to set up breakpoints just above that to figure out what it's doing |