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| 17:45.17 | torands | what is the error code 2 reserved for on bzfs? |
| 17:45.32 | JeffM | not enough ponies |
| 17:45.54 | torands | is there a list somewhere? |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | a list of ponies.. yeah |
| 17:46.08 | JeffM | a list of errors, no |
| 17:46.14 | torands | oh |
| 17:46.39 | JeffM | the code is the primary documentation |
| 17:46.52 | JeffM | I can look reall quick for yo |
| 17:46.59 | torands | where might that be, the wiki? or the source? |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM | code == source |
| 17:47.13 | JeffM | the list of ponies is on a wiki |
| 17:47.20 | khonkhortisan | no code = source |
| 17:48.11 | torands | ? |
| 17:48.11 | torands | I mean: |
| 17:48.11 | torands | primary_doc == source || primary_doc == wiki |
| 17:48.21 | JeffM | do you have a server allraedy running on the same port? |
| 17:48.30 | JeffM | cus tha'ts the most common reason to exit with 2 |
| 17:48.56 | JeffM | the wiki has docs on some things, config options, maping, API and the like |
| 17:48.58 | khonkhortisan | if (primary_doc == source || primary_doc == wiki) returned 1 |
| 17:49.18 | JeffM | but it is not considered authorative |
| 17:49.39 | torands | I'm writing a server control script and I want to be sure error 2 is that a server is already running in case my PIDfile was destroyed |
| 17:49.50 | JeffM | that's what it looks like in the code |
| 17:50.17 | torands | <khonkhortisan> in shell that would be false |
| 17:50.30 | torands | JeffM ah okay |
| 17:50.48 | JeffM | most of the other return codes are 0, 1, and for some reason "20" |
| 17:51.21 | khonkhortisan | whoops you're right |
| 17:51.31 | khonkhortisan | I have it backwards |
| 17:51.39 | torands | there are no plans in the future to make the server change process right? The pidfile should be authoritative? |
| 17:52.17 | JeffM | there are no plans in the futre |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM | but yeah you can assume that |
| 17:52.42 | JeffM | that'd be WAYYYYYYYYY down on our list |
| 17:53.00 | JeffM | there is a development roadmap on the wiki |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM | with long term wishlist stuff |
| 17:53.23 | torands | because it seems if you don't have a pidfile, short of starting a server and seeing if it quits with 2, there is no way to tell if the server is on or not |
| 17:53.43 | JeffM | remember me saying it's a lan game, not an internet service ;) |
| 17:54.14 | torands | What would that have to do with it? |
| 17:54.54 | JeffM | if we designed it to handle multiple games as an internet service we would have done it more like apache where the server managed all the various games |
| 17:54.58 | JeffM | instead of you having to do it |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM | I'd have done it where each game is like a chat room |
| 17:55.21 | JeffM | and you can host multiple games on the same port |
| 17:55.34 | khonkhortisan | there's a plugin to actually make each game a chat room |
| 17:55.53 | torands | how would you avoid game conflicts ? |
| 17:55.56 | JeffM | not what I'm talking about, that puts each game INTO a chat room |
| 17:56.02 | JeffM | torands, write the code so it dosn't conflict |
| 17:56.21 | JeffM | the server would know what game each user is in, it woudl not be hard |
| 17:56.29 | torands | so server:port:gameid? |
| 17:56.54 | torands | for finding servers that would be needlessly complicated |
| 17:56.55 | JeffM | I'd have you connect to the server:port then the first thing the server do is ask you wahat game you want |
| 17:57.05 | JeffM | not really, you still list them seerately |
| 17:57.10 | JeffM | but yeah you'd have game IDs |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM | again not rocket science |
| 17:57.23 | JeffM | you found this chat room just fine :) |
| 17:57.43 | torands | or more support for 3rd party listservers |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM | or less |
| 17:58.00 | torands | and each server has a listserver |
| 17:58.06 | JeffM | you can do that now |
| 17:58.12 | JeffM | we have too many servers as is |
| 17:58.23 | torands | be a pain for stats.bzflag.org though |
| 17:58.27 | JeffM | there are like 2-3 servers for each player |
| 17:58.55 | torands | a lot of the servers aren't that great though |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM | there are ways to redo it all so we'd need a lot less servers |
| 17:59.09 | JeffM | too many servers are confusing |
| 17:59.22 | JeffM | if the server was more dynamic players could configure it on the fly to play whatever map they want |
| 17:59.23 | torands | overly artsy and not enjoyable |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM | bzflag probalby only needs like 10 servers total |
| 18:00.06 | JeffM | less if a server could host multiple games as needed |
| 18:00.07 | torands | I thought the point is that the server never ends its a particular battlefield |
| 18:00.22 | JeffM | thats just how it is implemented now |
| 18:00.25 | JeffM | there are many other ways to do it |
| 18:00.35 | JeffM | most of those battlefields sit empty |
| 18:01.33 | torands | yeah, but having servers as "lobbies" wouldn't be bzflag. |
| 18:01.45 | JeffM | lobbies have been requested |
| 18:01.56 | JeffM | and there are ways to do it cleanly |
| 18:02.06 | torands | that's part of why I love bzflag, its all about the game :) |
| 18:02.14 | JeffM | you just have to break free of the ideals of 1992 |
| 18:02.40 | khonkhortisan | like moving map parts |
| 18:02.58 | JeffM | that would be super hard with out an authorative server |
| 18:03.14 | JeffM | right now only 9 games are being played |
| 18:03.19 | JeffM | out of 171 servers |
| 18:05.24 | torands | then we just need more players |
| 18:05.37 | JeffM | they leave |
| 18:05.43 | JeffM | most people that try it remove it |
| 18:05.47 | torands | It's not like lobbies would fix that |
| 18:05.48 | JeffM | it is confusing |
| 18:05.49 | JeffM | oh no |
| 18:05.54 | JeffM | I never said they would :) |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM | the GUI needs a cleanup, that'll keep more players |
| 18:06.13 | torands | how so? |
| 18:06.17 | JeffM | also having a tutorial server that people have to go to would help |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM | well to start with, you load the game, the GUI gives you big buttons to join game, you move the cursor over it and cick and nothing happens |
| 18:06.48 | JeffM | why is your game broken? |
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| 18:07.36 | JeffM | then you figure out to use the keyboard and thing' Thats's lame, why is there a cursor' and join a server |
| 18:07.44 | JeffM | you pick the one on the top of the list |
| 18:07.45 | torands | a lot of games have keyboard only menus |
| 18:07.46 | JeffM | and then blow up |
| 18:07.54 | JeffM | yes and those games don't show a cursor ;) |
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| 18:08.29 | JeffM | keyboard only is fine, we just need to understand that if you have a cursor, people are USED to clicking on thigs with it |
| 18:08.31 | torands | why not remove the cursor in 2.4.2? |
| 18:08.32 | JeffM | so they are going to try it |
| 18:08.38 | JeffM | because it's used for driving |
| 18:08.44 | JeffM | that needs to be cleaned up too |
| 18:09.01 | JeffM | but yes that's the idea, take a pass and make sure everythiung makes sense to a new user |
| 18:09.07 | JeffM | add more prompting and help stuff |
| 18:09.36 | JeffM | like when I join a game, if I'm red I can not shoot other red players, but if I'm black I can shoot other black players? |
| 18:09.41 | JeffM | why is your game racist? |
| 18:09.46 | torands | ? |
| 18:09.56 | torands | what do you mean? |
| 18:10.04 | JeffM | the concept of rogue is not epxlained well |
| 18:10.10 | JeffM | that they arn't a team |
| 18:10.13 | khonkhortisan | black players shoot their kind |
| 18:10.40 | JeffM | also the effects of the flags are not clearly explained |
| 18:10.48 | JeffM | or what to do when you get a bad flag etc.. |
| 18:11.01 | JeffM | you know what to do because you have played for a while, but new players find it frustrating. |
| 18:11.10 | JeffM | and we could make the game better at hepling people play it |
| 18:11.21 | JeffM | that would retain more players |
| 18:11.27 | torands | I don't remember it being frustrating |
| 18:11.39 | JeffM | do you play many other modern games? |
| 18:11.43 | torands | except the lag when you access the listserver |
| 18:11.58 | torands | not that many |
| 18:12.03 | torands | why do you ask |
| 18:12.13 | JeffM | that seems to be common about the people that stay |
| 18:12.18 | JeffM | they don't play many modern games |
| 18:12.32 | JeffM | people who do play modern games come in with some expectations |
| 18:12.39 | JeffM | and we frustrate them |
| 18:12.42 | khonkhortisan | I don't buy games so I'm included |
| 18:12.51 | JeffM | yeah it's really common |
| 18:13.02 | torands | <khonkhortisan> same here |
| 18:13.07 | JeffM | your average bzflag player is someone who dosn't pay for games, and plays bzflag because it is free |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM | there are always exceptions of course |
| 18:13.30 | torands | or runs linux/GNU software |
| 18:13.44 | JeffM | linux is the smallest client OS |
| 18:13.49 | JeffM | windows is the largest |
| 18:14.01 | torands | not for bzflag I thought |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM | yes for bzflag |
| 18:14.12 | JeffM | OSX passed linux in the last few years |
| 18:14.27 | JeffM | usualy about 45-50% of players are on windows |
| 18:14.42 | JeffM | then it goes to about 30% OSX, and the rest linux and others |
| 18:14.44 | torands | that's odd |
| 18:14.48 | JeffM | not really |
| 18:14.56 | JeffM | windows has more market share |
| 18:15.48 | JeffM | the inclusion in distros dosn't do much because that version hasn't been updated in years |
| 18:16.07 | JeffM | most people with a distro version don't know how or can't get the new version and play with the main population |
| 18:16.41 | JeffM | anyone playing now on a non redhat based distro built from source |
| 18:18.01 | JeffM | I find it funy how linux players always assume they are a majority :) |
| 18:18.25 | JeffM | linux is the primary server os, that's for sure |
| 18:18.35 | JeffM | but that mirrors server marketshare as well |
| 18:22.45 | torands | strange I assumed linux since BZFlag is one of the best free games I've found that runs on linux |
| 18:23.36 | JeffM | that just tells you how sad the linux games sceene is |
| 18:24.53 | torands | don't be pessimistic, bzflag is still lots of fun; the only problem is players |
| 18:25.09 | JeffM | oh I'm sure it is |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM | a group of people love it |
| 18:25.22 | JeffM | and that's cool |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM | it just sucks that there arn't more linux games |
| 18:27.06 | torands | what is in 2.4.2 by the way? |
| 18:27.14 | JeffM | joystick hats |
| 18:27.21 | JeffM | and a few small bug fixes |
| 18:27.32 | torands | for what? |
| 18:27.42 | JeffM | whatever people decided to fit |
| 18:27.43 | JeffM | fix |
| 18:27.45 | JeffM | it has no features |
| 18:27.54 | JeffM | it's mostly just to get a debian package out |
| 18:28.14 | JeffM | one guy fixed a lot of internal stuff to make debug builds produce less warnings |
| 18:28.23 | JeffM | didn't change the behavor at all, just how it compiles |
| 18:28.40 | JeffM | I think we update a lib or 2 as well |
| 18:29.04 | JeffM | and the HTTP stuff was made to work for the fastmap plugin |
| 18:29.21 | torands | http? |
| 18:29.24 | JeffM | yep |
| 18:29.51 | JeffM | bzfs has an HTTP server in it now that plugins can use if they want |
| 18:30.02 | torands | what for? |
| 18:30.10 | JeffM | fastmap uses it send maps to clients |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM | webreports uses it to give back reports over a web page |
| 18:30.32 | torands | neat |
| 18:30.33 | JeffM | webadmin will use it to admin a server from a browser |
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| 18:31.01 | JeffM | it's really for whatever someone wants to use it for |
| 18:32.14 | torands | oh, why is bzfs shipped with bzflag.app in osx? |
| 18:32.31 | JeffM | ummm so people can use it |
| 18:32.41 | JeffM | where else would it be? |
| 18:33.18 | torands | shipped seperately |
| 18:33.42 | JeffM | the start server menu triggers it |
| 18:33.46 | khonkhortisan | bzflag has a server creation menu already in it |
| 18:33.47 | JeffM | so the client may need it |
| 18:33.51 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:33.58 | JeffM | goes to lunch |
| 18:33.59 | torands | so you could have it in /usr/local/bin |
| 18:34.39 | torands | I thought the start server option was removed |
| 18:35.03 | khonkhortisan | no it's still there, you just have more options starting from command line |
| 18:35.34 | khonkhortisan | the client starting the server is only for lan games I believe |
| 18:35.46 | torands | so anyone actually running a server will use CLI |
| 18:36.18 | khonkhortisan | yes, it needs a public key to get on the list server and the gui doesn't have that option |
| 18:36.50 | torands | so why don't we remove it? |
| 18:37.33 | kongr45gpen | So that people who want to play on their own or with bots can do that easily |
| 18:38.01 | kongr45gpen | Or if, let's say, they don't have an internet connection |
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| 18:38.50 | torands | but it doesn't even have a password option |
| 18:38.56 | khonkhortisan | if they didn't have an internet connection that's why they would want to run bzfs alone which is why they would want it to come with bzflag |
| 18:39.02 | torands | so you can't even shutdown the server |
| 18:39.14 | khonkhortisan | you shutdown the server by leaving |
| 18:39.38 | torands | well I never knew that |
| 18:40.00 | alezakos | Again, it's for people who want to be able to set it up and configure it easily, without too much pain using the command line |
| 18:40.01 | torands | It's far too confusing |
| 18:40.29 | alezakos | The command line or the start server option? |
| 18:40.36 | khonkhortisan | Start Server -> Connect -> Leave Game -> Connect -> Error connecting to server. |
| 18:41.04 | torands | the yeah but it doesn;t say that anywhere |
| 18:41.31 | khonkhortisan | I see what you mean, you kind of have to figure that out yourself |
| 18:42.10 | torands | the only person who would benefit from a GUI option would be a beginner |
| 18:42.29 | torands | but a beginner would simply be confused |
| 18:42.52 | alezakos | I wouldn't say that |
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| 18:44.14 | khonkhortisan | If I want unmodified clients to not be able to join my modified server, what version number do I change? Protocol? |
| 18:44.23 | torands | when ever I have introduced someone to BZFlag I always just tell them to ignore the start server option because if the do figure it out, they often don't realize that it changed the current server/port and don't know how to get someone else to connect |
| 18:45.32 | torands | that and when it shuts down when they leave they think it has just crashed |
| 18:47.19 | torands | the shutdown on leave just made me think it was unreliable |
| 18:48.22 | torands | when I finish my server script could we include it in the UNIX-linux-osx versions? |
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| 19:20.58 | torands | what is CIA-107 |
| 19:22.21 | alezakos | It's a bot |
| 19:22.28 | alezakos | From a website called CIA |
| 19:22.35 | alezakos | (Not the actual CIA, don't worry) |
| 19:22.52 | alezakos | It lets users know when a change happens to the wiki or the bzflag source code |
| 19:23.30 | torands | huh |
| 19:23.45 | torands | I was looking through the log at ibot |
| 19:23.50 | torands | kept showing up |
| 19:24.51 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03Alezakos 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8312 10/User:Alezakos: |
| 19:28.43 | alezakos | Just one question: What happened to stats.bzflag.org? |
| 19:32.37 | torands | what do you mean |
| 19:32.40 | AAA_awright | It... did something, I forget *what* |
| 19:33.04 | AAA_awright | Wait, it's up... and not what I thought it was |
| 19:33.13 | alezakos | Currently Online Players (total: 0) |
| 19:33.14 | AAA_awright | Oh no, just non-functional |
| 19:43.07 | JeffM | yeah I need to have quol resync with his server |
| 19:43.14 | JeffM | I broke it :) |
| 19:43.38 | Quol | you called? :) |
| 19:43.38 | alezakos | :( |
| 19:43.47 | Quol | JeffM: what happened? |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM | Quol, I broke the stats on my site :) |
| 19:43.50 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 19:44.14 | Quol | I will try and get to it this weekend then...in between my crazy work schedule :( |
| 19:45.58 | JeffM | okays |
| 19:47.22 | JeffM | torands, cia reports commits to the code and wiki here |
| 19:47.39 | JeffM | we use it to see what happens |
| 19:47.56 | JeffM | alezakos, you can go to quol.bzflag.net and get current data |
| 19:48.23 | JeffM | Quol, I was trying to make sql use less ram, I may have busted it |
| 19:48.26 | alezakos | Okay, thanks! |
| 19:49.12 | Quol | alezakos: if you are using th API's, the API's on my site have changed some (don't know how you are getting the data out) |
| 19:49.28 | JeffM | we are still hodling around a max of just under 80 players |
| 19:49.28 | Quol | it's running a more recent dev version |
| 19:50.12 | alezakos | is not using the APIs yet |
| 19:52.26 | JeffM | you can just fake the data with a sin curve, have it go between 0 and 72 every day :) |
| 19:55.50 | JeffM | torands, you can submit your scripts as a patch and we can review them |
| 19:56.02 | JeffM | you would have to turn copyright over to the project |
| 20:10.35 | khonkhortisan | bzflag only says incompatible server version if I use the gui to connect to the server. If I start "bzflag localhost" it doesn't tell me anything. |
| 20:14.08 | JeffM | probalby connects before the gui is finished |
| 20:14.30 | JeffM | you want to fix that? |
| 20:14.40 | khonkhortisan | sure |
| 20:14.44 | JeffM | go for it |
| 20:31.43 | torands | the six month view on quol.bzflag.org needs a little work |
| 20:33.03 | torands | I mean .net |
| 20:33.47 | Quol | torands: I plan to only load up a max of 1 month, and have "previous/next" buttons...the issue is that with that much data, javascript is not efficient at plotting that amount of dots/lines |
| 20:33.58 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03RayCast 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8313 10/BZAdmin: /* Running BZAdmin */ |
| 20:34.27 | Quol | and use something else that is more graphics generated for the larger historical graphs (generated png's or something) |
| 20:35.45 | torands | well the problem is that the 6 month has no averaging |
| 20:36.39 | Quol | yes, exactly. I could average it out, but then the zoom is useless, which is why I think that a 1 month sliding window is good enough |
| 20:36.52 | Quol | anyways - that all takes time, and time is not something I have lots of these days |
| 20:37.01 | Quol | <- is way too busy |
| 20:38.35 | Quol | JeffM: I like your idea of a sine way :) would work just as good I think |
| 20:45.25 | JeffM | give it some jitters and it'd be ok :) |
| 20:45.55 | JeffM | and have it slowly taper, loosing about 2-3 people a month |
| 20:48.35 | khonkhortisan | then you can tie it into bzstocks to predict the death of bzflag |
| 20:48.46 | JeffM | oh don't get me started on that thing |
| 20:48.50 | khonkhortisan | okay I won't |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM | it is so ripe for abbuse :) |
| 20:49.25 | JeffM | start a server with some bots and build up infinate money |
| 20:49.53 | JeffM | make those bots use other player names, and send there value to the crapper |
| 20:50.00 | khonkhortisan | insider trading |
| 20:50.07 | JeffM | not even that |
| 20:50.30 | JeffM | it trusts servers so you can just directly manipulate the values in the db |
| 20:51.17 | JeffM | the thing to rember about network programing is "the other end is always lying" |
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| 21:11.34 | JeffM | alezakos, dude get a better connection :) |
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| 21:58.11 | khonkhortisan | I can't seem to select the Connect button in the join menu from playing.cxx |
| 22:00.30 | JeffM | why not? |
| 22:01.36 | khonkhortisan | playing.cxx does all the connecting, I have to create mainMenu and joinMenu from there and run HUDui::setFocus on the private connectLabel |
| 22:04.42 | JeffM | that's probalby why we don't show the message ;) |
| 22:04.54 | JeffM | can you just pipe the error out to the console? is that good enough? |
| 22:06.32 | khonkhortisan | I could probably put all the errors in the message box when they're not in the join menu |
| 22:06.49 | JeffM | that's probably good enough for now |
| 22:06.53 | JeffM | it's at least some feedback |
| 22:07.01 | JeffM | rather then being buried 2 menus deep |
| 22:19.55 | khonkhortisan | We have three doors, and behind them we have joinGame(), joinInternetGame(), and joinInternetGame2()! Which door would you like? |
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| 22:56.49 | JeffM | naw it wasn't initaly designed for lan play.. naw |
| 23:06.49 | khonkhortisan | I got the 2 menus deep option almost done except for moving the Trying... status - I didn't want to add an if to every error |
| 23:07.09 | JeffM | how ugly does it make the code? |
| 23:08.11 | khonkhortisan | mainMenu->createControls(); HUDDialogStack::get()->push(mainMenu); mainMenu->execute(); HUDui::setFocus(HUDui::getFocus()->getNext()); |
| 23:08.30 | JeffM | EWW |
| 23:08.36 | JeffM | just push the error to the console |
| 23:08.37 | JeffM | really |
| 23:08.38 | khonkhortisan | you can tell? |
| 23:08.49 | khonkhortisan | it's just two extra lines |
| 23:09.07 | JeffM | I don't like the fact that it changes menus FOR you |
| 23:09.14 | JeffM | we have nothign else that does that |
| 23:09.24 | khonkhortisan | well how else is it supposed to get to the join menu? |
| 23:09.39 | JeffM | it didn't go to the join menu before |
| 23:10.00 | JeffM | it just joined the game |
| 23:12.02 | JeffM | does it behave the same if the connection worked? |
| 23:12.13 | JeffM | and just leave you on the join menu if it didn't? |
| 23:12.39 | khonkhortisan | yes exactly the same except for the Trying... being in the messages instead of the menu |
| 23:12.48 | khonkhortisan | and you can see the join menu as it connects |
| 23:13.08 | JeffM | what does it say if the connection failed? |
| 23:13.41 | khonkhortisan | I didn't change that |
| 23:13.48 | JeffM | I know, what does it say? |
| 23:13.59 | JeffM | cus if you are going to do this I think I want you to change it ;) |
| 23:14.24 | JeffM | make it somethign like "automatic connection to "XXXX" Failed, please select a server" |
| 23:14.41 | khonkhortisan | Incompatible server version BZFS0222 |
| 23:14.43 | JeffM | then they will know why they got dumped to the connection stcreen |
| 23:15.00 | JeffM | what if you auto connect to a server that dosn't exist? |
| 23:15.21 | khonkhortisan | Error connecting to server. |
| 23:15.23 | JeffM | I would just like it to say something about automatic conenctions |
| 23:15.45 | JeffM | if you can put a messge before the error that says that it was an autoconnect failure I'll be happy |
| 23:15.46 | khonkhortisan | Trying automatic connection... |
| 23:15.53 | khonkhortisan | instead of Trying...? |
| 23:15.56 | JeffM | sure, then Autommaic connection failure |
| 23:15.59 | JeffM | yeah that'd be great |
| 23:16.21 | khonkhortisan | but then they'd lose the real error and have to connect manually to see it |
| 23:16.31 | JeffM | display both |
| 23:16.43 | JeffM | prepend a connection failure note to the actual error |
| 23:16.47 | JeffM | then you don't loose it |
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| 23:38.11 | khonkhortisan | it would be easier to show the join menu during joining if the join menu handled joining |
| 23:38.30 | JeffM | lots of things would be easier if they did what they logicaly should |
| 23:38.32 | JeffM | ;) |
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| 23:52.59 | khonkhortisan | HUDDialogStack::get()->push(joinMenu); HUDui::setFocus(HUDui::getFocus()->getNext()); HUDDialogStack::get()->top()->execute(); |
| 23:53.56 | khonkhortisan | it's a little cleaner, it goes directly to joinmenu instead of through main menu, and it says "Trying Automatic Connection..." the first time, then "Trying..." for any later connections |
| 23:54.17 | JeffM | that'll work |
| 23:54.29 | JeffM | then at least they see some info about how they got there. |
| 23:54.48 | khonkhortisan | I also included JoinMenu.h to be able to skip going through main menu |
| 23:59.14 | khonkhortisan | Great, now I can only get it to work as expected. |