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| 03:37.57 | allejo | is it possible for a plugin to know where it's being loaded from? |
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| 03:48.45 | Toybox_ | not really |
| 03:48.49 | Toybox_ | why would it want to know? |
| 03:49.05 | Toybox_ | oh wait, I may have added that, one sec |
| 03:50.32 | Toybox_ | hmm, nope dosn't look like I did |
| 03:52.17 | Toybox_ | oh no, I did |
| 03:52.23 | Toybox_ | call bz_pluginBinPath during your init |
| 03:53.49 | allejo | and what does that return? const char*, std::string, etc? |
| 03:54.02 | Toybox_ | well nothing in the API ever returns a std::string |
| 03:54.06 | Toybox_ | so a const char |
| 03:54.15 | Toybox_ | just like all other functions that get a string ;) |
| 03:54.47 | Toybox_ | call yourself a haxorz and can't even read a header file.. sheesh.. :) |
| 03:56.09 | Toybox_ | it is ONLY valid in your init, since it returns the last plugin loaded |
| 03:56.26 | Toybox_ | brb |
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| 04:06.58 | jeffm | Did that work out for you? |
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| 04:24.38 | allejo | yea bz_pluginBinPath worked |
| 04:24.47 | allejo | thank you |
| 04:30.14 | jeffm | cool |
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| 16:19.26 | blast007 | ~dns bzflag.org |
| 16:19.31 | blast007 | sigh... |
| 16:27.34 | blast007 | doing a quick reboot of the web server in just a bit here |
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| 16:34.54 | blast007 | and done. |
| 16:49.39 | blast007 | tries to remember why he's running memcache |
| 16:50.21 | DTRemenak | turn it off and you'll soon know ;) |
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| 16:50.43 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:50.58 | JeffM | did tim ever check his email? |
| 16:51.23 | blast007 | the DNS hasn't been updated yet |
| 16:53.25 | JeffM | fun |
| 16:59.14 | blast007 | sent a followup email now |
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| 19:10.32 | TimRiker | blast007, changing dns now, ok? |
| 19:10.58 | blast007 | okay, thanks |
| 19:11.36 | TimRiker | what's this change for? |
| 19:11.43 | blast007 | new server |
| 19:12.09 | blast007 | kinda outgrew the little VPS |
| 19:12.16 | blast007 | and it had some stability issues |
| 19:12.20 | TimRiker | k |
| 19:14.40 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzflag.org |
| 19:14.50 | blast007 | thx :) |
| 19:15.58 | TimRiker | do I have a login on the new box? |
| 19:16.13 | blast007 | no |
| 19:24.41 | JeffM | cool so the site was only down for a week. not bad |
| 19:25.07 | blast007 | not quite that long - the VPS was up for part of it ;) |
| 19:25.13 | JeffM | ah |
| 19:26.20 | JeffM | well it is vaction time, I hope TimRiker had a good one |
| 19:30.33 | JeffM | what do the google analitics say out main page hits these days? |
| 19:31.01 | blast007 | 0 for the last few days |
| 19:31.09 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:31.12 | JeffM | I mean before that ;) |
| 19:34.17 | blast007 | ~200 visits a day. In the last month, there was 6076 visitors, 5065 of those unique. 12365 page views (average of 2.04 pages per visit), avg visit duration is 1 minute 4 seconds. |
| 19:34.17 | ibot | blast007: what are you talking about? |
| 19:34.25 | blast007 | ibot: shush |
| 19:34.26 | ibot | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 19:34.39 | JeffM | how's that compare to months before? |
| 19:35.48 | blast007 | worse than last month |
| 19:35.57 | blast007 | visits dropped by 8.93% |
| 19:36.07 | JeffM | that ain't too big of a drop |
| 19:36.21 | blast007 | actually it was probably about the same since the site down down for a couple days |
| 19:36.38 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 21:43.53 | nvz | where would I put bzw files to use them in a local multiplayer game? Using linux ubuntu/debian |
| 21:45.04 | blast007 | depends if you intend to use the "start server" menu or not |
| 21:45.10 | nvz | yes I do actually |
| 21:45.20 | nvz | why is that a more problematic way? |
| 21:45.23 | blast007 | I'd recommend not using that menu since it doesn't give you any feedback when it fails, and it's an unreliable method |
| 21:45.36 | nvz | well its a strict lan game with 2 clients |
| 21:45.58 | nvz | but I could do it from the commandline I suppose, whats the manpage for the server? |
| 21:46.05 | blast007 | 'man bzfs' |
| 21:46.09 | nvz | ah ok |
| 21:46.22 | blast007 | you could use the menu if you want - just keep in mind it doesn't always work |
| 21:46.41 | nvz | yeah I was just using it.. but it only has random map |
| 21:46.43 | blast007 | for the menu, you can put the map file within ~/.bzf/world/ I think |
| 21:46.55 | blast007 | or maybe it's worlds |
| 21:47.11 | nvz | went and downloaded a few map files just wasnt sure where it looked.. as there is nothing but ~/bzf/2.0 and cache |
| 21:47.33 | nvz | I havent played bzflag in ages and never ran a server before |
| 21:47.38 | blast007 | you have to make the directory yourself |
| 21:47.43 | nvz | just dont want to put my lil cousin directly onto a main server |
| 21:48.33 | nvz | well I'm not a newbie to linux.. heh.. I know I'd probably have to create a directory in ~/.bzf just wasnt sure what to call it |
| 21:49.19 | blast007 | yeah, seems like it should be ~/.bzf/worlds/ |
| 21:49.46 | nvz | yeah thats what I tried and it works |
| 21:49.50 | blast007 | k |
| 21:49.52 | nvz | thanks |
| 21:50.39 | nvz | having these issues where leaving a game (tried a few) leaes me in a painful 640x480 mode on this laptop.. heh.. |
| 21:50.48 | nvz | gotta go set my bzflag settings to native resolution |
| 21:50.57 | blast007 | weird |
| 21:51.09 | nvz | yeah been using linux 12 years or more never had that happen before |
| 21:51.19 | nvz | but this is ubuntu, and ubuntu sucks |
| 21:51.22 | nvz | heh |
| 21:51.53 | nvz | hope I dont run into issues playing this with the debian machine |
| 21:51.56 | blast007 | I use ubuntu for hosting BZFlag servers |
| 21:52.23 | nvz | I'm a long time Debian user.. I dispise ubuntu.. its a long story how I ended up with it on this laptop |
| 21:52.29 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:52.53 | nvz | basically was doing it to make myself buy a new computer and then the new computer hdd died within first few days and I had to put the netbook hdd in here |
| 21:53.03 | nvz | never got around to fixing it all right |
| 21:53.25 | nvz | was a commitment device, forcing myself to use ubuntu |
| 22:05.41 | JeffM | what video chipset is in it? |
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| 22:56.37 | nvz | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 22:57.05 | nvz | and it goes to 640x480 even if I have bzflag set to native res of 1366x768 |
| 22:57.35 | nvz | only seen like 5 people online playing.. guess bzflag isnt too popular anymore like it was years ago when I was playing regularly |
| 22:58.09 | nvz | bzflag isnt the only game that does it though, several other games when leaving them put me in 640x480 |
| 22:58.41 | nvz | gotta run down the issues with this video card eventually.. it has lots of gpu hangs when I try do more intense 3d stuff |
| 22:58.42 | blast007 | nvz: did you build BZFlag yourself or was it from the package managaer? |
| 22:58.58 | nvz | using whats in Ubuntu Natty repos |
| 22:59.06 | nvz | so its prob a little dated |
| 22:59.09 | blast007 | the one in the repo is 2.0.x |
| 22:59.21 | blast007 | there isn't a debian (nor Ubuntu) package for 2.4.x |
| 22:59.22 | nvz | yeah its 2.0.6ubuntu-something |
| 22:59.33 | nvz | oh is that why I dont see anyone online? heh |
| 22:59.45 | nvz | never thought about the fact that there is a newer version |
| 22:59.49 | blast007 | yup, most everyone has migrated to 2.4 |
| 23:00.08 | nvz | anything exciting since 2.0? |
| 23:00.15 | blast007 | not that there's a huge number of people there either, but there's at least more than 4 |
| 23:00.50 | nvz | I started playing back in the 1.x days and did some talking with Tim about joystick support back in the day |
| 23:00.59 | nvz | at the time I had a playstation to usb adapter |
| 23:01.02 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/BZFlag_2.4 |
| 23:01.32 | blast007 | been some things since 2.4.0 as well: https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/ChangeLog |
| 23:01.54 | blast007 | most of the 2.4.1 stuff is bug fixes and server-related stuff |
| 23:02.12 | nvz | ah yeah.. seems to be mostly fixes |
| 23:02.23 | nvz | the per object rico seems interesting though |
| 23:02.39 | nvz | I remember when curved objects were first added.. heh |
| 23:02.46 | nvz | and transparency |
| 23:03.15 | nvz | been playing a lot of AC in recent days |
| 23:03.37 | nvz | but now my cousin took his mouse back, so.. can't play games like that with a touchpad |
| 23:03.54 | nvz | been avoiding secondlife and things like that cause of the gpu issues on this machine |
| 23:04.22 | nvz | started to run them down, but I'm not well these days and cant spend long hours troubleshooting |
| 23:04.54 | nvz | I had debian installed on a new hard drive to get me off this damn ubuntu, started running down the gpu issue and went to try a 3.x kernel and it seemed to eat my filesystem |
| 23:05.54 | JeffM | intel drivers generaly suck |
| 23:06.00 | JeffM | almost as bad as the chipsets |
| 23:06.09 | nvz | well I actually started to like em in recent days until I got this laptop |
| 23:06.24 | nvz | this particular mobile chipset seems to be rather troublesome |
| 23:06.37 | JeffM | the HD3000 and 4000 are passable |
| 23:06.50 | nvz | I prefer nvidia by far, all b.s. about their practices aside, their driver just works (tm) |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM | that they do |
| 23:07.39 | nvz | but my health led to me being broke.. and the only reason I even have a new computer and not still on a netbook thats falling apart is cause someone I met on freenode from the other side of the world bought this for me |
| 23:07.46 | nvz | so for being free, can't really complain |
| 23:07.56 | nvz | its a decent machine.. |
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| 23:09.12 | nvz | if I were to gripe, it'd be that it has no frame, just a solid plastic molded bottom with no access panels, the hdd was poorly (not at all as far as I'm concerned) secured in place, it only has 1 small speaker, and the gpu sucks |
| 23:09.20 | nvz | other than that, I'm quite happy with it |
| 23:09.52 | nvz | has 3gb ram, dual core 2.8ghz I believe it is.. overall the look and feel of the machine is not bad |
| 23:10.24 | nvz | the hdd think killed me though.. I couldnt believe anyone even made something like this |
| 23:11.02 | nvz | it has a single bracket on the back side of the hdd with like a hole/slot (incandescent lightbulb shaped thing) that slips over a screw to hold the hdd |
| 23:11.11 | nvz | nothing at all prevents it from sliding backward and off that screw |
| 23:11.22 | nvz | and that is ALL that holds the hdd in this machine.. |
| 23:12.13 | nvz | at least if it was mini ide it would hold it a little compared to the modern sata connectors which provide far less resistance on removing the drive |
| 23:13.56 | nvz | I should just trade it to a client of mine.. been servicing this guys Lenovo Thinkpad t61 for years now, and it already has debian on it.. he only does light web surfing and would be happy with anything |
| 23:14.24 | nvz | that t61 is sweet.. has nvidia graphics, military grade security.. the smart card, biometrics, whole nine |
| 23:14.49 | nvz | may be slightly slower than this machine though as its pretty old.. but I know its well taken care of, because I've done all the work on it myself |
| 23:16.05 | nvz | its annoying as a tech to have complete idiots bring you sweet hardware.. you just feel there is something wrong with the universe when people who havent a clue are using better equipment than you are |
| 23:17.27 | JeffM | sometimes they need it to do there job, they don't have to know why it's good hardware they just need fast stuff to use the software they use. |
| 23:18.26 | nvz | na he really doesnt even use it.. says his wife uses it mostly and from what I seen when I service it, there is no real files on it I havent put on, browser history is light.. bank sites and such mostly, hell the help files I made to explain things on the desktop are still right where I left them |
| 23:18.43 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:19.02 | nvz | was funny, the last time I had it, about a month ago.. he finally got wireless and sent the damn thing all the way to me here in Morgantown (90mi away) because he didn't know how to use wifi |
| 23:19.10 | nvz | all he had to do was flip the radio switch in the front |
| 23:19.23 | nvz | as soon as I did that, it connected right up to my wifi |
| 23:19.29 | JeffM | that's what happens when you solve all problems for people :) |
| 23:20.00 | nvz | well the last time before that the machine would come on for a breif moment making a loud noise.. the fan was getting rusted/corroded |
| 23:20.17 | nvz | so I ordered him a new fan for $10 and got a free all-in-1 card reader out of the deal |
| 23:20.25 | nvz | put new thermal grease on everything |
| 23:21.27 | nvz | they seem to love linux though and have no problems with it.. |
| 23:21.44 | JeffM | makes sense for light browser use |
| 23:22.16 | nvz | I upgraded it the last time I had it since he sent it to me for no reason I figured while I have it, I might as well upgrade the software since it still had Debian 5 "Lenny" |
| 23:22.36 | nvz | and made him a video showing him how to use the wifi.. |
| 23:24.22 | nvz | I'm a huge fan of the thinkpad though.. they're just very well made machines |
| 23:25.06 | nvz | when people ask me about a good laptop, I tell em Thinkpad brand or Apple.. though personally if I had the money to get one, I'd order custom from avadirect.com |
| 23:25.40 | nvz | The Macbook air rather impressed me, when they had them with nvidia graphics |
| 23:26.39 | nvz | I really liked the break away magnetic power coord design and the significant power they packed into such a thin and lightweight machine |
| 23:27.53 | nvz | avadirect is just ridiculous, they'll give you a 3 disk raid5 in a laptop with debian preinstalled if you want it.. heh |
| 23:28.08 | JeffM | the intell HD in the curernt macbook isn't too bad, I have no issue with it |
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| 23:28.30 | nvz | ah.. I thought they switched to ATI... I didnt know theyre on to intel now |
| 23:28.44 | nvz | when I first seen one at bestbuy they were nvidia |
| 23:29.14 | nvz | they must be trying to either bring the cost down for the consumer or just bring THEIR cost down. heh |
| 23:29.28 | Tanx | most likely the second |
| 23:29.46 | nvz | yeah last I checked the cheapest one was still about US$1100 |
| 23:30.31 | nvz | I will give em credit though, Apple, for making solid hardware.. and rather aesthetic too |
| 23:31.03 | blast007 | prefers Lenovo |
| 23:31.11 | nvz | I was out on the street doing a bowling game on my ipod touch one day, swinging it about.. and it slipped out of my hand and slid down the street quite a ways and I just went and picked it up and it was fine.. |
| 23:31.55 | nvz | personally since all my itouches are now broken, I've been playing with my old nano video a lot lately and fell in love with it all over again |
| 23:32.39 | nvz | I loathe their software for the most part, itunes is up there with the worst software of all time, but.. they do make decent hardware |
| 23:33.23 | nvz | I dont understand how itunes alone can bring a low end pc to its knees.. its just a damn media player |
| 23:33.44 | blast007 | no, it's a way of life! |
| 23:33.49 | JeffM | they will charge what people will pay |
| 23:33.54 | JeffM | so they don't have to do nothin ;) |
| 23:34.20 | nvz | the real reason they probably never made a linux port of itunes is because they couldnt figure out how to make a piece of software suck that bad on top of a linux kernel |
| 23:34.26 | nvz | heh |
| 23:34.58 | JeffM | apple has used many chipsets |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM | it is because they could not secure it |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM | and the use case is SUPER low |
| 23:35.28 | nvz | I always wanted an apple computer since way back, the only one I ever owned was the Apple IIc |
| 23:35.58 | nvz | just too damn rich for my blood.. and really not worth it when you compare what that money will get you from Lenovo |
| 23:36.06 | JeffM | I only got my macbook so I could have a mac to test crossplatform builds on |
| 23:36.15 | JeffM | and I needed a laptop for school |
| 23:36.24 | JeffM | it's got good batery and is light |
| 23:36.25 | nvz | yeah I'd like to have one for that reason.. just to be more familiar with mac software/hardware |
| 23:36.27 | JeffM | and very well built |
| 23:36.37 | JeffM | mac minis are pretty cheap |
| 23:36.42 | JeffM | and good set top PCs |
| 23:37.19 | nvz | I winged it on MacOSX once or twice.. figured its practically BSD, which is practically linux, I'm linux certified.. how hard can it be?! |
| 23:37.31 | nvz | its different.. |
| 23:37.37 | JeffM | it has bsd bindings so yes it is similar in that respect |
| 23:37.53 | JeffM | yes the kernel is very different as is where things are installed |
| 23:38.09 | JeffM | it's a hybrid microkernel |
| 23:38.39 | nvz | well for one thing when I went to install stuff it seemed that they distribute software in what would be a disk image.. and you don't really "install" stuff per-se the way you would on windows or any other platform |
| 23:38.46 | JeffM | hardware wise they are just PCs, you can install any OS on them |
| 23:38.59 | JeffM | no they use self contained app packages |
| 23:39.05 | JeffM | so there is little that is installed |
| 23:39.10 | JeffM | makes it easy to move apps around |
| 23:39.12 | nvz | you just sort-of mount this dmg which behaves like a loop mounted iso, then just kinda copy it |
| 23:39.20 | JeffM | yep |
| 23:39.27 | nvz | its weird.. I didnt quite grasp it, but made it work |
| 23:39.36 | JeffM | it's not a bad idea |
| 23:39.49 | JeffM | you don't need tons of files all over the system |
| 23:39.50 | nvz | yeah well I notice you didnt just say it was a good idea either.. haha |
| 23:39.59 | blast007 | the .app's are just a directory with a special file layout, no? so that's why they're generally packaged inside of some archive format or a DMG I believe. |
| 23:40.01 | JeffM | it has advantages and disavantages |
| 23:40.08 | JeffM | for end users it's a good idea |
| 23:40.20 | JeffM | for application interoperation it makes it harder |
| 23:40.25 | JeffM | and you end up with duplicated frameworks |
| 23:40.31 | JeffM | so liike all things, pros and cons |
| 23:40.37 | JeffM | for the average mac user, it's not a bad idea |
| 23:40.41 | nvz | haha |
| 23:41.13 | JeffM | it at least dosn't get you into dependency hell like on linux and the like |
| 23:41.25 | JeffM | since each app can be self contained |
| 23:41.32 | JeffM | and disk space is cheap |
| 23:42.22 | JeffM | there is no OS that has it prefectly right these days |
| 23:43.05 | JeffM | Singularity was a good idea but breaks so many legacy apps it's not feasable. |
| 23:44.31 | nvz | made me think of this when you said "average mac user" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 he introduces Linus in the first 15sec or so, and says "Many of you heard of Linus Tovalds, those of you who haven't are the ones with Macintoshs on your lap" heh |
| 23:47.21 | JeffM | oh great.. now we'll be getting posts about porting bzflag to the windows surface tablet..... |
| 23:48.26 | nvz | ugh |
| 23:48.43 | nvz | I'm particularly intrigued by HTML5 gaming possibilites |
| 23:48.54 | JeffM | it's fine for games |
| 23:48.55 | nvz | and I hated web development and the entire web platform |
| 23:49.08 | JeffM | you do the heavy lifting in javascript |
| 23:49.15 | JeffM | it's not bad |
| 23:49.21 | nvz | but I got into hedgewars about a year ago, and thats what they've been talking about in #hedgewars.. porting it to HTML5 |
| 23:49.57 | nvz | and I've since seen several things done up in html5 that really inspired me to take another look at the web platform |
| 23:50.16 | nvz | I really like Gopherwood Studios Entanglement game |
| 23:50.51 | nvz | its simple, yet profound at the same time.. though anything that even loosely relates to quantum entanglement will most likely appeal to me |
| 23:52.17 | JeffM | bzflag just would not work the same with a touch interface |
| 23:52.26 | JeffM | at least not in a way that would work with other clients |
| 23:52.33 | JeffM | also development is dead |
| 23:59.32 | JeffM | goes to sit in a classroom with stupid people |