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| 00:46.54 | khonkhortisan | just learned recursive groups are a bad idea |
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| 01:14.04 | joevano | khonkhortisan: not if designed correctly... recursiveness can be dangerous if proper care is not taken |
| 01:14.22 | joevano | try, try, again |
| 01:17.22 | khonkhortisan | my computer couldn't handle 160,000 boxes |
| 01:17.42 | khonkhortisan | it can only do 8,000 boxes |
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| 01:24.02 | khonkhortisanafk | I was wrong, 8,000 boxes cause a reboot |
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| 01:52.48 | apeman | how do you terminate the recursion - you are talking about define/group ? |
| 01:53.24 | khonkhortisan | I put boxes in the first group, first groups in the second group, second groups in the third group |
| 01:53.38 | khonkhortisan | my computer froze at the fourth group |
| 01:53.54 | khonkhortisan | twenty boxes/groups per group |
| 01:54.04 | trepan | recursion? |
| 01:54.15 | khonkhortisan | it's not true recursion |
| 01:54.22 | khonkhortisan | it takes four groups |
| 01:54.35 | apeman | thats not really recursion then. i thought you had a way to terminate infinite :P |
| 01:55.34 | apeman | also it can take 4+ minutes or crash for a client to load many objects |
| 02:04.18 | khonkhortisan | Now that I finally have flagOnSpawn loaded, how do I -set _flagonspawn in the world/command line without it telling me the variable doesn't exist? |
| 02:11.14 | JeffM | have the plugin register it first on load |
| 02:12.04 | I_Died_Once | ~mp |
| 02:12.04 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, mp is Northern Mariana Islands |
| 02:13.42 | JeffM | I was just wondering what mp was |
| 02:21.06 | trepan | armed with this new knowledge, JeffM went away to rethink his invasion plans |
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| 02:34.05 | I_Died_Once | >mp |
| 02:34.05 | I_Died_Once | rogue,red,green,blue,purple,observer |
| 02:34.16 | I_Died_Once | t'was the info i was seeking tyvm |
| 02:34.42 | JeffM | t'would be what the wiki is for yvw |
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| 02:49.02 | CIA-106 | BZFlag: 03Allejo 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8303 10/Bz_BasePlayerRecord: Added reference to list of flag codes |
| 02:51.34 | khonkhortisan | Is it still true you can't make an object invisible on radar? |
| 02:51.58 | JeffM | I don't belive anythign was changed for that in 2.4 |
| 02:52.41 | khonkhortisan | Then is there a way to add a ceiling to the map without using an object/death plugin? |
| 02:53.11 | JeffM | I don't think so in 2.4 |
| 02:53.16 | trepan | noradar? |
| 02:53.17 | JeffM | there is in 2.99 IIRC |
| 02:53.22 | JeffM | did that make it in? |
| 02:53.30 | JeffM | I thought that was 2.99 only |
| 02:54.16 | trepan | hm, thought that was added way back |
| 02:54.18 | JeffM | I may be wrong, that's the thing to try |
| 02:54.22 | trepan | could be wrong though |
| 02:54.36 | JeffM | could be wrongness on ether end, so try it and see :) |
| 02:54.43 | khonkhortisan | noradar works in trunk |
| 02:54.49 | JeffM | cooleo |
| 02:55.15 | trepan | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Material - (except in "normal" radar mode) |
| 02:55.23 | trepan | wonder if that changed for 2.4 |
| 02:55.48 | khonkhortisan | it works even without defining a material |
| 02:56.25 | trepan | that wouldn't have changed, materials within objects are accumulated state |
| 02:57.55 | Delusional | i really, really wanted the 2.99 teleporters |
| 02:58.11 | JeffM | then you should have implemented them a year ago |
| 02:58.39 | khonkhortisan | 2.99 teleporters make it possible for a portal gun ( to bring in an already-discussed topic) |
| 02:58.53 | trepan | but 2.4 was "low risk", probably would have been vetoed |
| 02:59.13 | JeffM | yeah that worked out so well :) |
| 02:59.22 | khonkhortisan | was the problem with 2.99 that it let in too many big new features? |
| 02:59.31 | JeffM | and was unstable |
| 02:59.37 | JeffM | nobody wanted to go in and fix it |
| 02:59.46 | JeffM | just like now, nobody wants to make changes |
| 03:00.03 | trepan | fixed a large part of it - but the interest wasn't there |
| 03:00.11 | JeffM | yeah he did a lot |
| 03:00.34 | JeffM | I mean really... a year to get a debian package made? |
| 03:00.42 | khonkhortisan | so the thing to do now is suck the features from 2.99 into 2.4.2 and have it suffer the same fate |
| 03:00.48 | JeffM | you'll notice that Tim dosnt' even bother coming here anymore |
| 03:01.00 | khonkhortisan | I have noticed I haven't seen him |
| 03:01.20 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, nothing has changed in a year, the push to get the version out was suposed to reinvigorate development. It didn't |
| 03:01.29 | JeffM | you are pretty much the only one doing anything |
| 03:01.34 | khonkhortisan | lol |
| 03:01.44 | JeffM | it's more sad then funny |
| 03:01.48 | khonkhortisan | that's not good |
| 03:01.54 | JeffM | bzflag has had it's time |
| 03:02.10 | JeffM | 2.4 was the last ditch effort to see if it was the code base. |
| 03:02.11 | JeffM | it wasn't |
| 03:03.00 | JeffM | heck, we can't even get a DNS update in less then a week it seems |
| 03:03.40 | JeffM | as far as the internet is concerned, we've been dead for the past week |
| 03:06.16 | khonkhortisan | Is there a |
| 03:06.26 | khonkhortisan | "nospawn" option for objects? |
| 03:06.37 | JeffM | you can make zones |
| 03:07.11 | JeffM | it may be that you define zones for spawning instead of zones for no spawning, I don't remember the specifics |
| 03:07.25 | Delusional | yeah, that's it |
| 03:07.27 | trepan | you can also use sloped surfaces |
| 03:07.37 | trepan | and drivethrough planes, iirc |
| 03:08.10 | JeffM | yeah there are several ways to trick the spawn code into not going there |
| 03:08.10 | trepan | (but not "passthrough", or they get culled from coldet) |
| 03:08.23 | Delusional | I did it with invisible drivethrough pyramids, but there may be a flash as players pass the invis. object's boundary |
| 03:08.57 | trepan | used to use single face planes, about 0.01 off the surface |
| 03:09.16 | khonkhortisan | everyone has wings, so I'm going with zones |
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| 04:33.09 | I_Died_Once | need to tie a perm into AUTOPILOT |
| 04:33.18 | I_Died_Once | its was in 2.99 |
| 04:33.25 | allejo | autopilot was a perm? |
| 04:33.35 | I_Died_Once | it needs one |
| 04:33.46 | I_Died_Once | would like to request that |
| 04:34.04 | I_Died_Once | that way only selected people can run auto-clients |
| 04:34.19 | I_Died_Once | most likely a *.cop or *.admin group |
| 04:35.03 | I_Died_Once | stop noobs from running bots |
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| 15:31.56 | Delusional | I got a kid looking for C:/documents and settings/administer/localsettings/application data/mybzflag/screen shot he can't see the local settings dir. what do i tell him? |
| 15:35.10 | JeffM | is he on XP? |
| 15:35.50 | Delusional | yes |
| 15:36.16 | JeffM | well 1, the folder is hidden, 2 that ain't a good path |
| 15:36.24 | JeffM | 3, Xp is hella old |
| 15:38.18 | JeffM | there is probably a folder called appdata |
| 15:38.22 | JeffM | in there is local settings |
| 15:38.28 | JeffM | then it's just bzflag, not mybzflag |
| 15:39.01 | JeffM | also it TELLS you the path when it saves a screenshot |
| 15:39.04 | JeffM | so all the has to do is read |
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| 15:40.10 | blast007 | Start -> Run, %USERPROFILE%\local settings\Application Data\BZFlag and hit OK. :P |
| 15:40.24 | blast007 | and should be straight forward from there |
| 15:40.32 | JeffM | ahh backwards |
| 15:40.46 | JeffM | do you still have an XP system blast007 ? |
| 15:40.52 | blast007 | yup |
| 15:40.56 | JeffM | I'm sorry |
| 15:41.00 | blast007 | my primary system is still XP |
| 15:41.03 | blast007 | 6 year old laptop |
| 15:41.14 | JeffM | heh |
| 15:41.34 | blast007 | my beefy PC is mainly for VMs and games ;) |
| 15:41.52 | blast007 | this Pentium M still performs quite nicely |
| 15:42.16 | blast007 | I should try Windows 7 on here again - I'd have to use XP drivers, but it might work well enough |
| 15:42.27 | JeffM | install 8 |
| 15:42.35 | blast007 | yeah, no thanks |
| 15:42.52 | blast007 | I wait for 9 when they decide that metro was a failure |
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