IRC log for #bzflag on 20120606

00:00.11khonkhortisanWow, I'm suprised! There's actually a "min=" operator
00:03.03blast007khonkhortisan: looks like there just might not be *any* joystick support on OSX without SDL
00:03.19blast007our OSX bins are always with SDL, though
00:05.56khonkhortisanit won't even get to the "Joystick '{1}' not supported..." message from BzfJoystick if SDL is somehow incapacitated
00:07.25khonkhortisanBut then again, I don't know whether not having SDL stops it long before setting up a joystick anyway
00:11.42khonkhortisanhuh. "min=" works but min(a,b) doesn't, I would need an include. I'll just go with min=
00:16.59blast007khonkhortisan: in MacPlatformFactory.cxx, createJoystick() is only defined if SDL is being used.  So it would fall back to the createJoystick in the base PlatformFactory.cxx, right?
00:18.46khonkhortisanYes, I didn't see that. You're right
00:19.54khonkhortisanWhich would mean BeOs, SGI, and Solaris do the same thing
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14:25.53khonkhortisanSo I get a Segmentation fault if I go outside a map. Good to know.
14:28.47blast007khonkhortisan: is your client built with debugging symbols?
14:30.17khonkhortisanNo, I'll make it that way now
14:31.50khonkhortisanOr it might have been, configure doesn't look any different
14:38.45blast007for future, config.log shows the options that were passed to configure last time it was run
14:39.57khonkhortisanAn unused parameter is stopping my compile.
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14:42.41blast007what one?
14:43.01blast007because we have a nifty macro to take care of that, iirc
14:43.11khonkhortisanint BzfJoystick::getJoyHat(int hat) { return 0; }
14:43.56blast007change it to:  int UNUSED(hat)
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15:17.53khonkhortisanSo it turns out there's no "min=" operator
15:18.22khonkhortisannum_hats = (hat_count < num_hats) ?  hat_count: num_hats;
15:45.01khonkhortisanI'm sure you can find what's wrong with these three lines: http://pastebin.com/w40Ff91C
15:49.11khonkhortisanWhy do I call it static if I immediately redefine it? If I did a one-liner, it would call the function twice
15:58.57BulletCatcher"const" makes what would otherwise be a variable into a constant that cannot be changed after its declaration.
15:58.57BulletCatcher"static" makes a variable's value persistent when you leave its scope and later return.  You don't want that here.
16:10.05khonkhortisanI still have to count the number of hats for Evdev
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16:21.52khonkhortisanhaha the team scores don't have to add up to zero
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19:54.01allejo~celebrate
19:54.02ibotACTION dances around firing six-shooters in the air
19:54.16allejoIPv6 is rolls out today
19:56.07I_Died_Onceso much for remembering your ip address
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20:11.39blast007allejo: not really
20:11.59allejoit's not today?
20:12.14blast007most major ISPs (at least in the US) do not have IPv6
20:12.28allejodamn it
20:12.30allejo:(
20:12.38blast007and some may only have it in a "testing" phase for business users
20:12.55blast007and your router may not support IPv6
20:13.14blast007and maybe not even your modem
20:13.32allejoboooo
20:13.44allejodoes bz even support ipv6?
20:13.56blast007let me answer that with a few lines of code
20:14.37blast007uint8_t                 Address::getIPVersion() const {
20:14.37blast007<PROTECTED>
20:14.38blast007}
20:14.48blast007from src/net/Address.cxx
20:14.58blast007so, no, doesn't support IPv6 :)
20:15.16blast007and it would take quite a bit of work to get BZFlag to handle IPv6.
20:15.26allejoin theory, if someone did have IPv6 how would bz handle that?
20:15.31blast007it would ignore it
20:15.43blast007bzfs only binds to IPv4
20:15.50I_Died_Oncerewrite of the networking portion of the code?
20:16.04blast007I_Died_Once: networking would need work, as well as the ban system
20:16.25I_Died_Onceyeah that a bit of work
20:16.32allejoso would a player with IPv6 still be able to play or no?
20:16.39blast007allejo: if they have IPv4 as well, yes
20:16.41I_Died_Onceprolly not
20:16.54blast007if they do not have IPv4, then no, they can't run BZFlag
20:16.57I_Died_Oncei saw an article on cnn this morning about that
20:17.11I_Died_Onceipv6, not bzflag
20:17.11allejoah the joy of bz's source
20:17.25blast007however, it's unlikely that IPv4 will "go away" any time soon, for that reason
20:17.42blast007so instead of just having IPv4 addresses, we'll have both IPv4 and IPv6
20:17.50allejoblast007, http://codeulate.com/2007/12/fcking-programming/
20:17.51blast007also known as "dual-stack"
20:18.28allejoso a person would have both IPv4 and IPv6. but eventually IPv4 will die out, right?
20:18.38I_Died_Onceprobably not
20:18.51I_Died_Oncenot anytime soon
20:19.08I_Died_Oncecompatibility issues with older devices
20:19.29I_Died_Oncemaybe in ten years or so
20:19.33blast007allejo: IPv4 will be around a looong time
20:19.54blast007I'm betting it'll be around even 50 years from now, though in a lesser state
20:20.14blast007keep in mind that there are still legacy embedded hardware out there and old system running stuff
20:20.46I_Died_Oncethats alllll assuming we make it past December 22, 2012
20:20.53blast007Windows XP (and maybe even 2000) have limited IPv6 support, and Vista was the first to have "full" and native IPv6 support
20:21.33allejowould older devices be able to handle IPv6 if they're updated?
20:22.12I_Died_Oncewhat i found to be funky about that article is it said washing machines and refrigerators will all have ip addresses
20:22.45I_Died_Oncewhy in sam hell would i want my washing machine online?
20:23.02I_Died_Onceis it going to google up how to remove the stains out of my shirt?
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20:24.10I_Died_Oncei did see a refrigerator a couple months ago while out shopping for out (mine had died) and it had a screen on the front
20:24.16I_Died_Onceyou could watch tv
20:24.26I_Died_Oncereadout of how cold exactly the freezer is
20:24.42I_Died_Oncei didnt see the point of that
20:24.59I_Died_Oncei dont think standing in front of the ice maker is an ideal place for an HD experience
20:25.57allejoI want my washing machine to play pong against the dry while it's washing
20:26.07allejoso I can see why an IP would be needed :P
20:28.00I_Died_Oncegot an empty cup in my hand, fridge door is wide open, i'm refrigerating the whole house - Episode III is on
20:31.07blast007allejo: most "older devices" cannot be updated
20:31.12blast007they would have to be replaced
20:32.33blast007as far as a washing machine being networked.. that'd be kinda cool to monitor water usage - and hey, maybe you can load an alternate firmware so that it will wash 10% faster!
20:33.02blast007"Yeah.. I overclocked my washing machine today.  Good thing it's already water cooled!"
20:35.39I_Died_Oncenow, THATS funny
20:36.42I_Died_Oncethat would make network administration take on a whole new practical level
20:37.05I_Died_Oncelooking at your list of local clients, trying to figure out whats good and what shouldnt be there
20:38.06I_Died_Once"thats my desktop, theres my phone, that would be the Frigidare, heres the Whirlpool.... toaster, breadmaker, microwave......."
20:40.16allejoi wonder if you'd be able to ssh into the washing machine and kill the wash process
20:40.26I_Died_Oncesomeone gets on your bad side, you hack into their freezer and spoil all their meat
20:40.43I_Died_Onceturn on the toaster, burn someone's house down
20:41.51I_Died_Oncethe downside - it taking an hour and a half to set up the can opener
20:44.52I_Died_Oncego to warm up breakfast, you're about to starve, the microwave is checking for updates before you can use it
20:45.56I_Died_Once"yeah, let me call you back - the bread maker just blue screened on me"
20:48.04allejoI wonder if jailbreaking/rooting will exist for microwaves and what not
20:49.30I_Died_Oncethat'd open upa whole new world of business for apple, wouldnt it?
20:49.34I_Died_Oncethe iWasher
20:49.39I_Died_Oncethe iDryer
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20:53.34allejoit'll also open up open source firmwares for these devices, i.e. Washer Mint
20:54.12I_Died_Oncemy vision of the future is that of useless and broken gadgets
20:54.50I_Died_Oncesolar powered flashlights
20:54.58allejothose exist
20:55.09I_Died_OnceDVD rewinders
20:55.12allejowind power fans. that's the way to go
20:55.31I_Died_OnceBattery powered battery chargers
20:55.42allejohttp://www.hybridlight.com/
20:56.22I_Died_Onceyou missed the point - if its solor powered, and the sun is out, you don't need no flashlight!
20:56.59allejoI know what you were referencing to. I'm just saying those already exist
20:57.53I_Died_Oncei dont think ipv6 is really needed
20:58.10I_Died_Oncei mean, people die, tis not like the numbers dont and wont get recycled
20:58.25I_Died_Onceunless we plan on providing internet access to the entire universe
20:59.03I_Died_Oncemost of the addresses used are dynamic and get reassigned when deviced log on and off
20:59.35I_Died_Onceeveryone would have to turn everything on that was ever net accesible
20:59.41I_Died_Oncelike all at once
21:00.43allejowell kids are getting smart phones younger and younger every day so they increases the amount of IPs needed
21:00.54allejos/they/that
21:02.24I_Died_Onceeven still, must end user ips are assigned by internet provider dynamically - there would have to be many more providers before we get anywhere close to capacity
21:05.56blast007I_Died_Once: solar powered flashlight could store a charge during the day.  a better example is glow in the dark sunglasses.
21:06.43allejoI_Died_Once, true. I see IPv6 more of a precaution of what could happen because we joke about it now but I can see appliances actually connecting to a network
21:06.58I_Died_Onceheh, thats great blast
21:07.33allejoblast007, they exist
21:07.43blast007allejo: well, we're already using almost all of the IPv4 addresses
21:07.46I_Died_Onceyeah in crappy 80's music videos
21:08.07allejoGlow Stick Factory makes some
21:08.08blast007allejo: doesn't make them any less useless ;)
21:08.18I_Died_OnceMax Headroom had a pair
21:08.27I_Died_Oncehad a p-p-p-p-p-pair!
21:09.19allejoblast007, true
21:12.15blast007I_Died_Once: hehehe
21:14.55blast007hmm, according to this article, it seems like the "IPv6 in North America" issue might not be as hopeless as I thought.. http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=13042
21:17.14I_Died_Oncemaybe this will be a blessing in lag issues  - - "IPv6 provides for a better experience accessing popular connection-intensive contents, such as Facebook and Google Maps, as well as better peer-to-peer gaming and personal cloud applications."
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21:23.56I_Died_Oncewould players on ipv4 be able to play against others on ipv6 ???
21:24.38I_Died_Oncewould a server be able to support both?
21:24.50I_Died_Oncehow would that end up working out?
21:25.54blast007I_Died_Once: if BZFlag was coded up to support IPv6, then yes, players with IPv4 and IPv6 could play together.  This is because the clients do not talk to each other directly.  The only talk to the server.
21:26.05blast007so only the server would have to speak both protocols at the same time
21:27.51I_Died_Oncenow the million dollar question - how likely is bzflag to get such an update?
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23:06.06apemani am aware of shot trajectories being interpreted differently by different 2.0.X clients, but now 2.4.0 ?
23:06.26apemanwhat might cause this?
23:07.08apemanfloating point implementations?
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23:07.33blast007apeman: what?
23:07.49apemanwhich part what
23:08.00blast007what kind of shot are you referring to?
23:08.14apemana complex ricochet
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