| 00:01.32 | khonkhortisan | So I have joystick hat support for only evdev for now. Would you like to see the patch or shall I commit? |
| 00:02.20 | blast007 | is evdev only used for non-SDL builds? |
| 00:04.07 | khonkhortisan | I don't know, it's the only one that I could put a print statement in that responded when I moved my joystick. |
| 00:04.19 | khonkhortisan | in other words, Works For Me |
| 00:04.47 | blast007 | so you're not building with SDL, then? |
| 00:05.00 | khonkhortisan | I guess not. How do I do that? |
| 00:05.15 | blast007 | by installing the SDL development libraries |
| 00:05.30 | blast007 | configure detects if you have it and will use it automatically |
| 00:05.52 | blast007 | I'm not sure if SDL supports what you're doing, though |
| 00:06.13 | khonkhortisan | that's kind of what jeffm said |
| 00:06.56 | blast007 | I do see this, but I'm not sure how we do stuff, nor what version this doc is for: http://www.libsdl.org/docs/html/sdljoyhatevent.html |
| 00:07.20 | khonkhortisan | "BZFlag client .....: yes (with SDL)" |
| 00:07.26 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:07.39 | khonkhortisan | maybe evdev just takes over my joystick so sdl doesn't get a chance |
| 00:08.09 | blast007 | dunno, I rarely play on Linux, and when I do, it's with a mouse |
| 00:11.54 | khonkhortisan | I assume we don't support trackballs? |
| 00:13.01 | khonkhortisan | I can finally say the age-old "I can't program for it if I don't have it" |
| 00:23.41 | jeffm | different versions of sdl support different things |
| 00:23.56 | jeffm | I think there should be way to use SDL for window/sound but use a stick system |
| 00:44.01 | khonkhortisan | Is there a way do disable evdev so I can use SDL? |
| 00:44.05 | khonkhortisan | *to |
| 00:44.48 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: I actually thought it disabled evdev when using SDL, but maybe not |
| 00:45.37 | khonkhortisan | they both override BZfJoystick so I can only use one |
| 00:48.33 | khonkhortisan | it's using SDL_JoystickUpdate(); instead of SDL_JoystickEventState so it can keep the same structure for the functions |
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| 00:55.49 | khonkhortisan | I just change the #ifdef in EvdevJoystick and in the compile SDLPlatformFactory.cxx tells me undefined reference to `EvdevJoystick::isEvdevAvailable()' |
| 00:56.53 | khonkhortisan | oh, because it's the same define |
| 01:05.35 | khonkhortisan | SdlPlatformFactory creates an evdev joystick, or sdl if it's not available. LinuxPlatformFactory creates a USB(BSD) joystick, an XInput joystick (which I'm suprised I don't have), an evdevJoystick, or a BzfJoystick. Actually, I believe it's not going to xinput because I'm going through SDLPlatform instead of LinuxPlatform because sdl is enabled. So sdl defaults to evdev. |
| 01:10.39 | khonkhortisan | oops, I created a segfault. Good I didn't commit! |
| 01:24.01 | khonkhortisan | I just have to handle it returning zero when I ask for the hats |
| 01:27.54 | khonkhortisan | the os isn't very friendly when you try to access the lowest memory address |
| 01:56.57 | khonkhortisan | perfect! |
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| 02:09.14 | allejo | forums down |
| 02:10.01 | khonkhortisan | uh oh bzflag.org too |
| 02:11.15 | allejo | it's official. bzflag is dead |
| 02:12.04 | allejo | ~blame blast |
| 02:12.04 | ibot | ACTION blames blast (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 02:12.11 | khonkhortisan | And I was just going to commit, too! |
| 02:12.25 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: what does that have to do with comitting? :P |
| 02:12.35 | khonkhortisan | Why commit to a dead project? |
| 02:13.06 | CIA-110 | BZFlag: 03khonkhortisan * r22476 10/trunk/bzflag/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Joystick hat support specially made for evdev |
| 02:14.49 | allejo | I actually do blame Canada also. their live nhl stream is only for themselves. selfish canucks :( |
| 02:15.39 | blast007 | wonder if it ran out of space again |
| 02:15.45 | allejo | damn it. devils tied |
| 02:16.03 | blast007 | fun, can't even VNC to the VM |
| 02:17.34 | khonkhortisan | At least you didn't firewall yourself remotely |
| 02:17.54 | blast007 | even if I did, I could fix that easily ;) |
| 02:19.04 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (~bzmeteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 02:22.14 | khonkhortisan | Does bzflag have a viewer like this? https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/supertuxkart/changeset/11275 |
| 02:23.28 | khonkhortisan | nevermind I found it https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/bzflag/changeset/22476 |
| 02:25.16 | blast007 | Hmm, didn't know we had that. I've always just used ViewVC. |
| 02:25.43 | khonkhortisan | I remembered seeing the page, but not what project it was for |
| 02:26.13 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=revision&revision=22476 <-- not nearly as nice as that trac link |
| 02:26.50 | blast007 | anyways, I have a ticket in regarding the server being down |
| 02:27.02 | khonkhortisan | Or even worse, http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/ |
| 02:28.01 | blast007 | well, that's to browse the code |
| 02:28.13 | khonkhortisan | viewvc is just like svn blame |
| 02:30.14 | blast007 | it's more than that |
| 02:30.49 | *** join/#bzflag torands (~Mibbit@MW-ESR1-72-49-214-248.fuse.net) |
| 02:31.22 | torands | bzflag.org is down now |
| 02:31.32 | khonkhortisan | yes it is |
| 02:31.34 | blast007 | yep |
| 02:31.40 | blast007 | I have a ticket in about it |
| 02:32.33 | khonkhortisan | I'm going to start caching the list server now |
| 02:32.44 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: the client already does |
| 02:33.55 | torands | so the whole domain is down |
| 02:33.56 | torands | ? |
| 02:33.57 | blast007 | it just doesn't seem to actually work that well |
| 02:34.09 | blast007 | torands: bzflag.org, images.bzflag.org, forums.bzflag.org, my.bzflag |
| 02:34.11 | blast007 | .org |
| 02:34.20 | blast007 | on the plus side, the wiki is still up ;) |
| 02:34.52 | blast007 | (the wiki is hosted on a different server) |
| 02:35.00 | khonkhortisan | what's the default time for caching? |
| 02:35.17 | blast007 | Off / Backup Mode |
| 02:35.34 | blast007 | which I think is *supposed* to show the cache only when the list is down |
| 02:35.50 | torands | my cache isn't working on the 2.4 and 2.0.16 clients |
| 02:36.02 | torands | stuck on "searching" |
| 02:36.04 | blast007 | yeah, it's probably broken, like lots of things ;) |
| 02:36.38 | torands | is there a way to change the list server without recompiling the client? |
| 02:36.44 | blast007 | yes |
| 02:36.48 | khonkhortisan | it's not that often you bring your internet down to test something |
| 02:36.53 | khonkhortisan | config file |
| 02:36.55 | blast007 | the -list command line option |
| 02:36.59 | khonkhortisan | or that, too |
| 02:37.08 | torands | ah cool |
| 02:37.31 | blast007 | Which also stores the value in the config. And you can do '-list default' to reset it back to the default list. |
| 02:37.52 | khonkhortisan | it's still "Searching" after "Can't talk with list server" |
| 02:38.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:38.06 | *** join/#bzflag Toybox_ (~Toybox@cpe-76-167-239-8.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 02:38.06 | blast007 | but it's not really searching |
| 02:38.18 | khonkhortisan | that would've saved me some time if I knew the list server had a default |
| 02:38.53 | khonkhortisan | How do I show my favorites when the server is down? |
| 02:39.01 | blast007 | you don't |
| 02:39.04 | blast007 | :P |
| 02:39.10 | khonkhortisan | But I know about them! |
| 02:39.28 | blast007 | I think favorites are hacked into the cache system, unless that changed |
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| 02:42.08 | torands | I'll try some bug fixing in a few weeks once I get more familiar with the source hopefully I'll be able to help with that! |
| 02:43.21 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: does a dpad show up different than a hat? |
| 02:43.41 | blast007 | torands: cool. what operating system do you develop on? |
| 02:44.00 | torands | OS X |
| 02:44.08 | blast007 | ah, okay |
| 02:44.31 | torands | that not what you were looking for? |
| 02:44.36 | khonkhortisan | here's your answer: "What's a dpad?" |
| 02:44.43 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: directional pad |
| 02:44.48 | blast007 | like on a gamepad |
| 02:45.24 | blast007 | torands: nope, that's fine. was mainly wondering if you were on windows, since the project files were recently updated from Visual C++ 2008 to 2010. |
| 02:46.23 | blast007 | weee.. still down, and no respose yet |
| 02:49.20 | khonkhortisan | I'm finding that a dpad reports axes... |
| 02:49.25 | khonkhortisan | *… |
| 02:49.50 | torands | blast007> bad news I've heard is Microsoft has made Visual Studio free no longer include C/C++ development tools |
| 02:50.30 | torands | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/ |
| 02:50.36 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: okay |
| 02:50.43 | blast007 | torands: yeah, we'll have to see how that goes |
| 02:50.50 | khonkhortisan | then stop using visual studio |
| 02:50.52 | blast007 | we're using 2010, not the new one |
| 02:51.21 | blast007 | visual studio is the bomb |
| 02:52.49 | torands | but after a while what will you use? MinGW? |
| 02:52.54 | Toybox_ | we don't use metro stuff so we'll use 11 for a long while |
| 02:52.58 | Toybox_ | torands, 10 isn't going way |
| 02:53.03 | Toybox_ | we will use 10 |
| 02:53.14 | Toybox_ | we JUST switched from 9 to 10 |
| 02:53.19 | torands | ah |
| 02:53.23 | Toybox_ | several years after 10 shipped |
| 02:53.32 | Toybox_ | they are just not going to have a C++ express version |
| 02:53.48 | Toybox_ | they didn't have a C++ express version when bzflag started, we got by |
| 02:54.02 | torands | well don't you use the express version? |
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| 02:54.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:54.09 | JeffM2501 | god no |
| 02:54.18 | torands | why? |
| 02:54.18 | JeffM2501 | I build all the bins with the full version |
| 02:54.22 | JeffM2501 | cus I don't have to |
| 02:54.25 | JeffM2501 | express works |
| 02:54.29 | JeffM2501 | I just don't need it |
| 02:54.36 | torands | It worse somehow? |
| 02:54.43 | JeffM2501 | it has fewer options |
| 02:54.49 | JeffM2501 | and comes with less SDKs |
| 02:54.51 | torands | *Is it worse somehow |
| 02:54.56 | JeffM2501 | it works for bzflag just fine |
| 02:55.02 | JeffM2501 | bzflag isn't a complex windows app |
| 02:56.23 | khonkhortisan | Let me guess: There's an app to remove the numbers in your name? :P |
| 02:56.41 | khonkhortisan | oh wait- you're someone else |
| 02:56.43 | khonkhortisan | sorry |
| 02:57.02 | JeffM2501 | MS still have VC 2005 express available |
| 02:57.06 | JeffM2501 | no I'm not |
| 02:57.10 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: no, that's the same person |
| 02:57.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm on a real computer now ;) |
| 02:57.23 | JeffM2501 | pondering if it's diablo time or not |
| 02:57.25 | torands | It would be nice if there was a way to separate out all OS specific stuff from the main source though; from what I saw there's a lot of #defines for windows in the source |
| 02:57.37 | JeffM2501 | torands, sure rewrite it |
| 02:57.53 | JeffM2501 | platform was a bad idea since it didn't include directories and networking |
| 02:58.18 | JeffM2501 | bzflag was never writen to be cross platform |
| 02:58.21 | khonkhortisan | And I had to write the same function three times |
| 02:58.33 | JeffM2501 | that's the problem with a "platform" system |
| 02:58.34 | blast007 | weee, 45 minute wait for a "I will check this and update you. Please hold on." |
| 02:58.47 | khonkhortisan | once for BzfJoystick, once for EvdevJoystick, and once for MainWindow |
| 02:59.05 | blast007 | 24/7 support, minus nap time |
| 02:59.10 | khonkhortisan | and that's just for one platform |
| 02:59.13 | JeffM2501 | I'm a fan of modular plugins, write the ones you need to extend whatever you want |
| 02:59.32 | JeffM2501 | yah bzflag dosn't have a streamlined system |
| 03:00.08 | JeffM2501 | I've been exprimenting with interface classes and runtime loaded libs that handle the platform specific stuff |
| 03:00.30 | JeffM2501 | it let me write a nice windows specific joystick driver with out impacting the existing code |
| 03:00.40 | JeffM2501 | it just swaps out the "joystick" class that gets sent in |
| 03:00.47 | blast007 | (guess it was only 34 minutes) |
| 03:00.59 | khonkhortisan | So that means I'll have more work to do |
| 03:01.11 | JeffM2501 | khonkhortisan, no this wasn't for bzflag |
| 03:01.32 | khonkhortisan | it was the minecraft clone you were writing :) |
| 03:01.49 | JeffM2501 | it was for the framework that it uses |
| 03:05.00 | JeffM2501 | joystick support was on of the big questions I had |
| 03:07.37 | JeffM2501 | I think I can do mixed mode native/managed replacements for sticks now, so it shoudl be able to support any API, even a spaceball or custom stuff |
| 03:14.05 | torands | why is BZFlag in C++ though? |
| 03:14.23 | JeffM2501 | because that's a popular language |
| 03:14.33 | JeffM2501 | and what the origonal author wanted to write it in |
| 03:14.39 | JeffM2501 | what else do you think he should have used? |
| 03:14.53 | blast007 | the list server is back up, though looking very slow at the moment |
| 03:16.34 | blast007 | "Please be informed that there was I/O issue on the host machine which caused the issue to changed the server file system as read only. We had rebooted the host machine and all the VM's are booting up now." |
| 03:16.48 | blast007 | so I imagine it will be a bit sluggish while all the VMs there are booting |
| 03:17.01 | khonkhortisan | how wos the background of bzflag.org made? |
| 03:17.05 | torands | wasn't BZFlag originally in C? |
| 03:17.14 | khonkhortisan | *was |
| 03:17.31 | blast007 | torands: it was rewritten in C++ prior to being open-sourced, iirc |
| 03:17.50 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Project_History |
| 03:18.01 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: it was some free background |
| 03:18.10 | JeffM2501 | torands, yes but he rewrote it to learn object oriented programing |
| 03:18.17 | JeffM2501 | it'd be a lot worse if it was flat C |
| 03:18.25 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: from here: http://subtlepatterns.com/ |
| 03:18.28 | torands | why would it be worse? |
| 03:18.42 | JeffM2501 | objects make sense for most things in the game |
| 03:18.57 | JeffM2501 | unless you made it REALLLLLY long you'd end up with a function pointer hell |
| 03:19.07 | JeffM2501 | most of the code is still C style |
| 03:19.31 | torands | couldn't you just use structs for game "objects"? |
| 03:19.42 | blast007 | my god. the ping times are great right now. ranging from 50ms to 1.2 seconds ;) |
| 03:19.45 | JeffM2501 | C++ isn't really a differnt language |
| 03:19.57 | JeffM2501 | torands, sure, and have a ton of functions to modify them |
| 03:20.23 | JeffM2501 | and with out inheritance you'd have to have seperate functions or a mess of structs to handle things that needed the same function |
| 03:20.28 | JeffM2501 | like moving shots and tanks |
| 03:20.33 | JeffM2501 | they move similary |
| 03:20.36 | JeffM2501 | you could do it |
| 03:20.40 | JeffM2501 | it'd just be harder IMHO |
| 03:21.31 | torands | Hmm. sounds like a challenge. Maybe in a few years for me. |
| 03:21.48 | JeffM2501 | it's a silly chalange |
| 03:21.59 | khonkhortisan | what? it's telling me my callsign is registered? |
| 03:22.07 | JeffM2501 | use the language that has the features that best suit the project |
| 03:22.19 | JeffM2501 | there is no point in sticking to a single language/style |
| 03:22.21 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: it's not quite back yet.. server is running slow as crap. can't even log in via SSH. |
| 03:22.44 | khonkhortisan | I didn't expect it to say "Server forced a disconnect" |
| 03:23.44 | khonkhortisan | okay, it's fine |
| 03:24.23 | blast007 | needs to switch hosts |
| 03:25.51 | blast007 | wonder if the host system's disks are rebuilding RAID or something |
| 03:25.53 | JeffM2501 | torands, just be thankful he didn't pick pascal ;) |
| 03:26.00 | torands | why? |
| 03:26.15 | JeffM2501 | have you ever tried to program anything sizeable in pascal? |
| 03:26.17 | blast007 | torands: is that a rhetorical question? :P |
| 03:26.37 | torands | yeah, the NXC compiler/assembler is in pascal |
| 03:27.03 | JeffM2501 | I mean pascal from 1992 ;) |
| 03:27.09 | JeffM2501 | 255 character limit to strings :) |
| 03:27.41 | JeffM2501 | in the day he didn't have that many choices |
| 03:27.45 | JeffM2501 | on an SGI |
| 03:30.24 | JeffM2501 | the bigest problem is that it wasn't written for latent networks |
| 03:30.29 | JeffM2501 | or untrusted client |
| 03:34.08 | blast007 | wee... "INFO: task apache2:1874 blocked for more than 120 seconds" |
| 03:36.31 | blast007 | It might as well be completely offline ... |
| 03:36.50 | blast007 | I've been waiting for it to start 'top' for 5 minutes |
| 03:38.59 | torands | port scan while it was on: |
| 03:39.00 | torands | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 03:39.00 | torands | 80/tcp open http |
| 03:39.00 | torands | 81/tcp open hosts2-ns |
| 03:39.00 | torands | 6881/tcp filtered bittorrent-tracker |
| 03:39.00 | torands | 6901/tcp filtered jetstream |
| 03:39.02 | torands | 6969/tcp filtered acmsoda |
| 03:39.28 | torands | What are the other (not 22 or 80) ports? |
| 03:39.39 | torands | *doing open? |
| 03:39.43 | blast007 | 81 is the web server as well |
| 03:39.52 | blast007 | the others you listed are not open |
| 03:40.31 | blast007 | holy. crap. top finally loaded. |
| 03:40.32 | blast007 | load average: 91.66, 79.81, 47.66 |
| 03:40.34 | blast007 | ;D |
| 03:40.41 | blast007 | NEW HIGH SCORE!! |
| 03:41.45 | khonkhortisan | my father only got a load of 16 |
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| 03:42.20 | torands | ping here is now avg 210 ms |
| 03:42.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:42.54 | blast007 | the host's disk must be thrashing. the high load average is probably due to all the I/O it's waiting on |
| 03:43.27 | torands | are we on a vhost? |
| 03:43.34 | blast007 | like I mentioned earlier, I wonder if the host is rebuilding a RAID array |
| 03:43.39 | blast007 | yes, it's a VPS |
| 03:43.43 | blast007 | and a $9 VPS at that ;) |
| 03:46.22 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:46.28 | torands | what hosting provider? |
| 03:46.47 | torands | and who is paying? |
| 03:46.50 | JeffM2501 | VPS's by bob |
| 03:46.51 | JeffM2501 | he is |
| 03:46.58 | *** join/#bzflag DarkCalf (~DarkCalf@173.231.40.99) |
| 03:47.04 | JeffM2501 | I've ofered him one of mine, but he's got a plan |
| 03:47.09 | blast007 | it's ThrustVPS |
| 03:47.19 | Dhraakellian | website and server list on a thrashing server? |
| 03:47.27 | Dhraakellian | good to know it's not just me |
| 03:47.28 | blast007 | I'm planning on upgrading to a beefy server soon, and I'll just move everything there |
| 03:49.02 | Dhraakellian | ooh. I have server list |
| 03:49.15 | blast007 | really? cuz I'm turning off apache right now ;) |
| 03:49.29 | blast007 | (which will probably complete in 20 minutes, at this rate) |
| 03:49.36 | Dhraakellian | of a sort |
| 03:49.40 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:49.43 | Dhraakellian | wasn't complete |
| 03:49.50 | khonkhortisan | Is there a backup list server? |
| 03:49.52 | torands | is the server list just a CGI page? |
| 03:49.53 | Dhraakellian | searched for "hill" |
| 03:49.58 | Dhraakellian | didn't see either of the WG servers |
| 03:49.59 | blast007 | torands: a PHP page |
| 03:50.14 | Dhraakellian | was still able to connect to the classic one |
| 03:50.15 | JeffM2501 | khonkhortisan, nope, the client woudln't know to conect to it if there was one |
| 03:50.28 | torands | at a sub domain or plain bzflag.org |
| 03:50.38 | JeffM2501 | it is on a subdomain |
| 03:50.52 | blast007 | torands: my.bzflag.org, but that's the same server as everything except the wiki |
| 03:51.08 | torands | what page is it? |
| 03:51.24 | blast007 | are you wanting the code, or what? |
| 03:52.08 | torands | just fun to know such things |
| 03:52.25 | khonkhortisan | #set list http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 03:54.14 | JeffM2501 | it's a pig because it has to load the phpbb authentication code to do tokens |
| 03:54.40 | torands | It can't just pull them from the db? |
| 03:54.45 | blast007 | actually, it's the phpBB code to handle UTF-8 |
| 03:54.56 | blast007 | needs that to compare the usernames |
| 03:55.03 | JeffM2501 | torands, no we don't store passwords in plaintext ;) |
| 03:55.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:55.14 | JeffM2501 | I knew it loaded it for some part of authentication |
| 03:55.38 | blast007 | phpBB's table uses a case-sensitive UTF-8 character encoding |
| 03:55.40 | JeffM2501 | it does pull it from the db, but since it was stored by phpbb the same code has to be used to unsalt it |
| 03:55.43 | torands | you don't need plai ntext to do that |
| 03:56.05 | blast007 | torands: I don't know what you mean by "It can't just pull them from the db?" |
| 03:56.12 | blast007 | it DOES pull stuff from the DB |
| 03:57.02 | Dhraakellian | needs to reset his password at some point |
| 03:57.04 | blast007 | hmm, yeah, you're probably right JeffM2501 - probably needs the password checking function as well |
| 03:57.09 | JeffM2501 | it just loads the phpbb authentication php files in order to use the data it gets from the db |
| 03:57.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah we use there auth funciton, helps with bb upgrades too |
| 03:57.38 | JeffM2501 | like when they change salt |
| 03:57.58 | blast007 | or if they change to pepper |
| 03:58.07 | JeffM2501 | soy sauce |
| 03:58.44 | khonkhortisan | What's that? Wasabi! I dunno, Wasap with you? |
| 03:58.59 | JeffM2501 | a B is the letter after A and before C |
| 03:59.04 | Dhraakellian | Worcestershire |
| 03:59.20 | Dhraakellian | 'cause then no one can spell/pronounce it |
| 03:59.41 | khonkhortisan | Worcs |
| 04:00.07 | khonkhortisan | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/En-worcestershire.ogg |
| 04:00.37 | khonkhortisan | they don't even pronounce it right |
| 04:01.18 | torands | blast007, I meant couldn't you just replicate what PHP does to hash the passwords and access the DB |
| 04:01.35 | JeffM2501 | it'd be the same code |
| 04:01.45 | JeffM2501 | that we'd have to edit every time we upgrade php |
| 04:01.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just an include |
| 04:01.59 | JeffM2501 | it's all the UTF8 stuff that eats ram |
| 04:02.04 | blast007 | torands: PHP is used by our code as well as (surprise!) phpBB |
| 04:02.38 | JeffM2501 | are you thinking it redirects to the actual forum pages? |
| 04:02.51 | torands | no |
| 04:03.07 | JeffM2501 | are you thinking it loads ALL of the phpbb code? |
| 04:03.26 | torands | no, but more than it needs |
| 04:03.31 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 04:03.37 | JeffM2501 | they have modular authentication |
| 04:03.46 | JeffM2501 | so we just pull in what they need |
| 04:04.00 | torands | nice to know then |
| 04:04.05 | JeffM2501 | and since people can type in UTF8 usernames in phbb, the list server has to support them :) |
| 04:04.55 | JeffM2501 | bassicly the 2 systems have to match to work, so may as well use the same code |
| 04:05.35 | torands | Does Perl or something else support UTF-8 more efficiently than PHPBB? Might that be a possiblility? |
| 04:05.50 | JeffM2501 | again, we'd have to maintain that code every time phpbb changed |
| 04:05.56 | JeffM2501 | it's not worth it |
| 04:06.13 | JeffM2501 | if you want the most efficent list server, write it in C++ |
| 04:06.17 | JeffM2501 | it'd be super fast |
| 04:06.21 | JeffM2501 | but a pain to maintain |
| 04:07.32 | blast007 | torands: are you suggesting that we rewrite phpBB in Perl so that we can solve a problem that doesn't exist? :) |
| 04:07.49 | JeffM2501 | it's a challenge ;) |
| 04:08.53 | torands | I'm saying if PHPBBs UTF-8 support is wolfing down RAM it might be a good idea to think of an alternative |
| 04:09.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not the main cause of list problems |
| 04:09.08 | JeffM2501 | so it would not solve any real problem |
| 04:09.20 | JeffM2501 | solve your big problems first, then optimize the small stuff |
| 04:09.37 | blast007 | RAM is cheap |
| 04:09.38 | JeffM2501 | the main problem is that the list system has a single point of failure and is tied to a friggin forum |
| 04:09.58 | JeffM2501 | it should be a network system, like ldap or at least something with shared authentication servers |
| 04:10.08 | blast007 | when it moves hosts, it'll probably have 2GB minimum |
| 04:10.21 | JeffM2501 | what about after you install your IRC scripts? |
| 04:10.33 | blast007 | it has 512MB currently, and actually runs quite well when the actual server is running correctly |
| 04:10.51 | blast007 | JeffM2501: oh, those will have their own 8GB VM ;) |
| 04:11.11 | JeffM2501 | I wonder if he ever finished "moving to the new server" |
| 04:12.33 | blast007 | looks like the same Celeron 2.4GHz to me :) |
| 04:12.37 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 04:21.11 | torands | you just said it SHOULD be part of the forum |
| 04:21.30 | torands | list is back up fyi |
| 04:21.41 | blast007 | looks like the database might be corrupted |
| 04:21.44 | blast007 | wee |
| 04:21.56 | blast007 | "Duplicate entry '0' for key 'user_id' [1062]" |
| 04:21.59 | JeffM2501 | oh no I'd not tie it to the forums at all, I'd make the forums authenticate against the list server |
| 04:22.35 | torands | How is that different than sharing a DB? |
| 04:22.51 | JeffM2501 | they don't need to use the same systems |
| 04:23.01 | JeffM2501 | it could be ldap and spread over a number of servers |
| 04:23.10 | JeffM2501 | then the forums just accesses one, where players access others |
| 04:23.16 | JeffM2501 | so there isn't a single point of failure |
| 04:23.26 | JeffM2501 | you don't want one DB to have em all |
| 04:25.08 | torands | Since the game is a priority maybe it would be good to have a backup listserver that has a static backup of the forum DB in case this happens again? |
| 04:25.28 | JeffM2501 | the clients already keep a cache |
| 04:25.38 | JeffM2501 | so they should have a list of the last one they got |
| 04:25.46 | JeffM2501 | it's the authentication that's an issue |
| 04:25.48 | blast007 | that seems to be buggy |
| 04:25.53 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 04:25.58 | blast007 | it didn't show me the cached data when it was down |
| 04:26.09 | JeffM2501 | if we can do failover on the client we can just have 2 auth databases |
| 04:26.19 | JeffM2501 | and make the backup read only |
| 04:26.26 | blast007 | I'm gonna have to restore a database backup, once again |
| 04:26.37 | JeffM2501 | you'll get some token loss on switch but it's better then nothin |
| 04:29.17 | torands | what is token loss? |
| 04:29.44 | JeffM2501 | a player could get a bad token if they authenticated with the backup server, but the main came back before the server used that token |
| 04:29.52 | JeffM2501 | since the token would be only on the backup server |
| 04:29.55 | khonkhortisan | blast007: does this answer your dpad question in any way, shape, or form? http://abstrakraft.org/cwiid/ticket/9 |
| 04:31.27 | khonkhortisan | Or how about this? http://www.mccambridge.org/blog/category/mythtv/ |
| 04:39.31 | blast007 | sigh, okay, database restored |
| 04:39.46 | blast007 | lost about 20 hours of data |
| 04:42.45 | khonkhortisan | Yuck, SDLJoystick gives me numbers for the axes |
| 04:45.23 | khonkhortisan | Oh. Haha, I thought sdl was acting up when I stopped using evdev. Then I realized I had the agility flag. |
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| 16:50.01 | khonkhortisan | SDL gives me this instead of two axes like evdev http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/3e738c32bb.jpg I'm going to make the hat getters two different types, then merge them once they both work. |
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| 17:07.53 | khonkhortisan | A hat has eight directions, but most people would reduce it to four buttons as you can't get to the diagonal without pressing one of those four. But if you have eight buttons, you can use up to six buttons independently by not assigning the left and right buttons and using it like gear shifter in a car. |
| 17:09.01 | khonkhortisan | If you wanted to be really fancy, you could use timeouts and have up+left be a different button than left+up |
| 17:09.54 | khonkhortisan | Then it would be a gesture-based hat system |
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| 17:26.02 | JeffM | windows gives you an angle and supports both discrete and contigous hats, maybe they were just trying to split the difference |
| 17:27.35 | khonkhortisan | I'm going to have to make evdev report the hat like sdl |
| 17:27.57 | JeffM | I just made the hats return as axis values, HatH and HatV |
| 17:28.03 | JeffM | all the systems can map into that |
| 17:30.04 | JeffM | on windows you can just use cos and sin to turn the angle into axis values |
| 17:30.40 | khonkhortisan | It has hat support for windows? |
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| 17:42.06 | JeffM | if SDL supports hats on linux it should support them on windows |
| 17:42.17 | JeffM | not that the windows platform uses SDL |
| 17:42.46 | JeffM | but if you expose it as a set of flaged axes to bzflag you can make all the different stick systems have correct input |
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| 18:53.55 | AAA_awright | khonkhortisan: Or just use a bit mask...? |
| 18:58.35 | JeffM | a bitmask would only allow for those directions, you'd loose granularity on hats that are analog |
| 19:10.41 | AAA_awright | If it's analog then it's no longer a hat, is it? |
| 19:11.14 | JeffM | it may be |
| 19:11.23 | JeffM | some hats spin an a circle |
| 19:11.29 | JeffM | but they are reported as hats |
| 19:11.43 | JeffM | it's usualy on high end fight sim stuff |
| 19:12.52 | JeffM | but maping it to flagged axes will work on all devices |
| 20:25.41 | JeffM | anyone got a sec for a CSS question? |
| 20:27.02 | khonkhortisan | okay |
| 20:27.08 | khonkhortisan | I just got back |
| 20:29.44 | JeffM | did you have fun? |
| 20:30.05 | khonkhortisan | no, that was on Wednesday |
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| 20:32.17 | trepan | JeffM: shoot? |
| 20:32.51 | JeffM | on this page, I want to have the tank image in the footer have it's top alligned with the div it's in, http://opencombat.invertedpolarity.com/forums/ |
| 20:34.45 | JeffM | I have it set to no marge and no padding |
| 20:35.54 | khonkhortisan | the tank image is at the top of the div, it's the background image that's moved down |
| 20:36.41 | trepan | background-position: left top (or something like that? i'm no CSS expert) |
| 20:37.18 | JeffM | hmm the image should be smaller then the footer so that's odd |
| 20:37.59 | khonkhortisan | if you remove .footer { padding: 20px 0; } they both go up to the same place |
| 20:38.35 | JeffM | thanks |
| 20:42.38 | khonkhortisan | I can't tell you how to get the padding back, though |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM | I don't think I care about the padding |
| 20:43.08 | JeffM | that got me the footer look I wanted, I just did the header and it's ok |
| 20:43.18 | JeffM | I was just trying to make it look similar to the mainpage |
| 20:43.54 | khonkhortisan | if you make the browser smaller, the tank doesn't line up horizontally with the other part of the tank |
| 20:44.49 | khonkhortisan | the footer gets smaller than the body |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM | meh |
| 20:46.42 | JeffM | I'll leave that to a webhead who cares :) |
| 20:46.51 | JeffM | this is good enough for a starter |
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| 21:10.38 | khonkhortisan | I think the footer is true 80% width and there's fixed-with stuff in the main part |
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| 21:45.13 | khonkhortisan | what's the opposite of diagonal? |
| 21:53.23 | allejo | horizontal vertical? |
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| 21:55.11 | khonkhortisan | Can you say that in one word? |
| 21:55.52 | khonkhortisan | With eight directions, it takes three words to describe them |
| 21:57.03 | JeffM | axis alligned |
| 21:57.18 | khonkhortisan | that works |
| 21:57.35 | JeffM | or if you want a single word |
| 21:57.42 | JeffM | orthogonal or orthonormal |
| 21:59.13 | khonkhortisan | I'll use orthonormal to encourage the reading of dictionaries |
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