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| 03:27.40 | Quol | hates timezones |
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| 04:02.47 | trepan | Quol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time - shoulda used 1024 as the basic unit, then it definitely would have caught on :) |
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| 04:03.40 | Quol | trepan: nice! I think I would have voted for that :) |
| 04:04.41 | trepan | hates AM/PM |
| 04:05.31 | Quol | that and daylight savings time....awefull to deal with |
| 04:15.49 | trepan | and don't get my started on M$ Outlook week numbers vs. ISO8601 :) |
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| 04:52.57 | Quol | heh..well, as long as you don't want to represent BC times, then ya, I guess 8601 is good enough :) |
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| 16:19.09 | joevano | hating my typematrix keyboard right now... the 'b' key is dying... any suggestions on a replacement? I use Dvorak but having it on the keycaps isn't required |
| 16:24.55 | blast007 | if you need to type stuff as well as defend yourself from ninjas and zombies (and then type about the ninjas/zombies you killed with your keyboard), the IBM Model M might be an option ;) |
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| 17:14.42 | Quol | JeffM: just curious as to why you chose CC BY-SA for a license for opencombat - was it because of all the media (audio, images etc..)? also, did they add source code coverage to 3.0? (I haven't really looked at the CC licenses too hard - so just wondering) |
| 17:18.45 | JeffM | Quol, the media is only cc by sa |
| 17:19.00 | JeffM | the source is under a different license |
| 17:19.07 | JeffM | MPL I belive |
| 17:19.44 | Quol | ahhh - that would explain it...ok. was wondering as the google code project page just had cc by-sa v3 listed (but I didn't dig too deep) |
| 17:19.53 | JeffM | hmm it should show both |
| 17:20.08 | Quol | maybe I missed it.. |
| 17:20.34 | JeffM | yeah the summary has "code license" and "Content license" |
| 17:21.03 | Quol | ahh - ya, my bad..I see it now :) |
| 17:21.05 | JeffM | and the code is licensed under the MPL V2 |
| 17:22.00 | Quol | thx for clarifying |
| 17:22.09 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:23.26 | Quol | amazing how much the GPL has gone down by...it's at or below the 50% mark now (depending on which stats you look at)...it used to be king by a mile... |
| 17:23.37 | Quol | v2 that is |
| 17:23.49 | JeffM | it has too much politics in it |
| 17:24.06 | JeffM | there are better licenses for "dude, just use the code and don't be a jerk" |
| 17:24.21 | JeffM | the GPL is anti-comerical software |
| 17:25.39 | Quol | ya...wonder how stallman feels right now watching his little empire that never really got establisehd slowly fall apart |
| 17:27.04 | blast007 | Quol: at least some of the stats saying that GPL use is declining from from this company: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck |
| 17:27.25 | blast007 | come from* |
| 17:27.32 | blast007 | so, yeah .. |
| 17:27.54 | Quol | ya..there are other sources too though - not just the black_duck one (which many people ignore) |
| 17:30.34 | joevano | blast007: i am contemplating a das keyboard which is very close to a Model M |
| 17:34.03 | joevano | just not sure I want something quite that "clicky" |
| 17:35.27 | blast007 | and I'm contemplating hunting down the LG engineer/developer that decided that when the battery was critically low, it'd be a good idea to make the phone turn on the screen and beep every 60 seconds... :/ |
| 17:40.18 | JeffM | it's so it dies faster |
| 17:40.28 | JeffM | it dosn't like obamacare |
| 17:40.33 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:40.46 | blast007 | this phone has lots of annoying features |
| 17:40.54 | JeffM | what phone is it? |
| 17:40.55 | blast007 | like randomly forgetting to notify me about events |
| 17:41.00 | blast007 | some LG dumbphone |
| 17:41.38 | blast007 | LG Helix, it seems like |
| 17:41.48 | Quol | blast007: wasn't just using black_duck - but other sources too confirm it, like openlogic...numbers differ, but all of them show a decline of GPL, and an increase in others like MIT/BSD/Apache |
| 17:41.59 | JeffM | it seems it's getting harder to find dumbphones these days |
| 17:42.24 | JeffM | been trying to find a flipphone for my dad but verizon dosn't offer a free one anymore that isn't a refurb |
| 17:42.38 | Quol | JeffM: funny you say that...as I want to get a dumb phone for my oldest son starting high-school next year...in some cases you have to pay for the darn thing |
| 17:42.58 | JeffM | all kids should have smart phones ;) |
| 17:43.01 | Quol | where you can get at least some type of smartphone free :) |
| 17:43.10 | JeffM | I just don't want to explain to my dad how to use a smartphone |
| 17:43.54 | JeffM | I've been very happy with my lumia 900 |
| 17:46.43 | blast007 | Quol: and by "free" you mean "whatever the required data plan costs" ;) |
| 17:47.08 | blast007 | my old nokia phone works great |
| 17:47.12 | Quol | blast007: well..the plans I am looking at are family plans..so it's covered there...but ya |
| 17:47.29 | JeffM | if data isn't an issue, get him a smartphone |
| 17:47.55 | Quol | it's a combined dataplan/shared minutes for 3 phones...so I have a choice of phones at 0 dollars |
| 17:48.00 | Quol | none of them are dumb phones :) |
| 17:48.56 | Quol | 2GB shared per month...hope that's enough..if not, I hang some people! |
| 17:49.02 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:49.09 | JeffM | I usualy use less then 200 meg a month |
| 17:49.10 | blast007 | wants a Nokia N900 |
| 17:49.19 | blast007 | though it wouldn't work with my current provider, afaik.. |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM | blast007, what's the diff between that and the lumia 900? |
| 17:49.48 | Quol | it's got the slidey sideways keyboard |
| 17:49.57 | Quol | (i think) |
| 17:50.02 | blast007 | the N900 runs linux |
| 17:50.07 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:50.17 | blast007 | Maemo, specifically |
| 17:50.22 | JeffM | k |
| 17:51.33 | Quol | lol...600Mhz cortex a8...can you still do anything with that phone? :) |
| 17:51.34 | JeffM | ahh it's the N9 that looks a lot like the lumia |
| 17:52.21 | blast007 | Quol: I still use my 400MHz N800 :P |
| 17:52.36 | Quol | heh - well, that would be a step up then |
| 17:53.20 | blast007 | the N800 doesn't even have 3D acceleration. It has a PowerVR chip, but it wasn't used since it can't drive the high resolution screen in the N800. |
| 17:53.37 | Quol | I am using a motorolla cliqXT (which I got truly for free), and it's 500Mhz processor with cyanogenmod...I am ready to throw it against a wall, and then drive over it to make sure it doesn't survive :) |
| 17:53.49 | blast007 | well, yeah, android is slow :P |
| 17:54.05 | Quol | especially on a 500Mhz proc :) |
| 17:54.07 | blast007 | the N800/N900 would have most stuff written in C/C++ |
| 17:54.26 | Quol | it runs sorta-ok on a quad core 1.5Ghz proc though ;) |
| 17:54.31 | blast007 | I've run bzadmin/bzfs/bzflag on the N800, though BZFlag was, of course, slow as crap |
| 17:54.33 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:54.53 | JeffM | WP7 is suprisingly fast on a single core phone |
| 17:55.13 | Quol | JeffM: I totally agree...I was actualyl surprised |
| 17:55.39 | JeffM | I have not had to go back to my iPhone since I got it |
| 17:55.42 | Quol | I used one for a month when I was testing out MDM solutions, and it was the phone I actually prefered (wasn't expecting that at all) |
| 17:57.15 | Quol | I actually had a mindset of "ok, time to test out this crappy HTC..was pleasantly surprised |
| 17:57.33 | JeffM | the nokia phones are tough as hell |
| 17:57.37 | JeffM | all unibody |
| 17:57.43 | JeffM | it has no screws |
| 17:57.48 | Quol | haven't used one...which one do you have? |
| 17:58.03 | JeffM | the lumia 900 |
| 17:58.11 | Quol | heard the app selection was getting better..that true? |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:58.21 | JeffM | so far I have all that I need |
| 17:58.36 | Quol | when I used it (a year+ ago), I enjoyed all 10 apps that they had :) |
| 17:58.46 | JeffM | I'd like a WIFI scanner, but I can't get that on iOS ether |
| 17:58.55 | Quol | GPS? |
| 17:58.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:59.06 | JeffM | the nokia maps and dirving apps are VERY good |
| 17:59.11 | JeffM | better then what apple ships |
| 17:59.24 | JeffM | lets me preload the maps so it dosn't eat data while driving |
| 17:59.45 | Quol | ahh - cool...the lumia 900 is a 0 dolalr phone for me on my family plan...so maybe I should look into it :) |
| 18:00.01 | JeffM | I really like mine |
| 18:00.05 | blast007 | the N900 just has lots of little features that make it awesome. like an FM receiver/transmitter, an infared port, GPS, front and rear camera, etc. |
| 18:00.19 | JeffM | you use the zune software to sync it, but it's pretty easy |
| 18:00.26 | JeffM | and not as much lock in as apple |
| 18:00.38 | blast007 | seems like people have ever overclocked it up to 1150MHz ;) |
| 18:00.46 | JeffM | transmiter? |
| 18:00.57 | Quol | still wonder why MS is waiting for dual core etc.. I know they claim it's because they feel they don't need it because their OS is so optimized...but I can't help but wonder if it is some type of silverlight scalability thing |
| 18:01.00 | blast007 | yeah, it can transmit audio to an FM radio |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM | Quol, to keep the cost of phones down |
| 18:01.26 | JeffM | and battery life up |
| 18:01.56 | blast007 | I'm waiting for a Core i7 based phone so I can run Crysis. |
| 18:01.56 | JeffM | since they don't have many apps that really take advantage of multi core, better to beat the competion by being cheaper |
| 18:01.57 | Quol | well - up here in canada, they are about the same thing (cost wise with an android)...battery life..tbd |
| 18:02.15 | JeffM | yeah they are trying to beat iOS first on price |
| 18:02.30 | JeffM | it's defenatly a better appstore experience then android |
| 18:02.32 | Quol | I have seen galaxy SII's be ok for 12+ hours too...that's pretty good |
| 18:02.59 | Quol | ya - android is chaos and mayhem :) |
| 18:03.03 | blast007 | I'm gonna have to get android on my touchpad to see what it's like. the android emulator is terrible. |
| 18:04.10 | Quol | JeffM: how's the camera? |
| 18:04.17 | JeffM | 8mp, so just fine |
| 18:04.27 | JeffM | it takes pictures |
| 18:04.34 | JeffM | anddoes 720p video |
| 18:04.46 | Quol | ya - good enough for a phone then :) |
| 18:04.47 | JeffM | and will sycn with the cloud if you want |
| 18:05.03 | blast007 | which cloud? ;) |
| 18:05.15 | Quol | my zliqxt also takes pictures..but viewing them is another story :) |
| 18:05.31 | JeffM | well there are only 2 clouds, since apple uses MS for cloud storage :) |
| 18:05.55 | JeffM | the best thing I like about it is that I can configure the live tiles on the main screen and only see the ones I want |
| 18:06.03 | JeffM | and just get rid of all the apps I don't care about |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM | the voice activated text message stuff isn't too bad ether |
| 18:06.49 | JeffM | it usualy gets it right |
| 18:12.32 | blast007 | I still think that every cell phone producted today has at least one really annoying feature/bug/glitch purposely put in so that you feel the urge to switch phones and see if that phone does it better.. ;) |
| 18:12.39 | blast007 | produced* |
| 18:13.15 | Quol | blast007: like many things, we aren't looking for the "best", we should be looking at which one sucks the least |
| 18:15.57 | blast007 | not quite my point. I mean, there's some glaring issue with most every phone that shouldn't have gotten past QA. like the calendar event alarm on my phone only working 60% of the time. or the volume control noise glitching out when you go from silent to level 1. |
| 18:16.53 | Quol | that's mostly software though...but ya. I hear ya. On my cliqxt (whcih motoralla only had android 1.5 for) it was brutal...unusable |
| 18:17.22 | blast007 | "hey, it makes calls..sometimes... SHIP IT!!" |
| 18:17.36 | Quol | I mean..you literally couldn't answer the phone when it rang, becuase the interface would freeze trying to slide over the "answer call" switch |
| 18:17.42 | blast007 | lol |
| 18:18.07 | blast007 | and the problem with this dumb phone is that there isn't ever going to be software updates for it.. |
| 18:18.28 | blast007 | so they should have had everything ironed out |
| 18:18.34 | Quol | ya...anways, upgrade to andriod 2.3 cyanogenmod, and while it still sucks (slow as anything), it's MILES better then the motorolla junk...at least I could answer the phone and use some apps now :) |
| 18:19.38 | Quol | updates - that's a huge andriod ussue too. the only ones that are really upgradable are the nexus ones...all others are hit and miss..mostly miss |
| 18:19.46 | Quol | unless you go to community ROMs |
| 18:21.25 | JeffM | oh blast007, regarding the pixaxe comment on the forums. The world system would support server updates to add/remove blocks :) |
| 18:21.39 | blast007 | haha |
| 18:21.48 | JeffM | and the server would maintain the collisions for it |
| 18:22.11 | JeffM | the map is broken up into 32x32 block chunks and those can be updated indepedently |
| 18:22.16 | blast007 | What has science created??? |
| 18:22.35 | JeffM | awesome, science makes awesome |
| 18:22.46 | blast007 | for the people who are still alive? |
| 18:23.01 | JeffM | they do need a really neat gun |
| 18:23.07 | blast007 | agreed |
| 18:23.17 | blast007 | maybe one that shoots cake. or lies. |
| 18:23.29 | BulletCatcher | Nothing beats the BFG-9000. |
| 18:23.41 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: the portal gun does. |
| 18:23.49 | JeffM | orbiatal defense laser |
| 18:23.58 | JeffM | or the orbital hug cannon |
| 18:26.03 | blast007 | I say we hug it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 18:26.17 | JeffM | hug it,, hug it with fire! |
| 18:26.33 | blast007 | firing main hug. |
| 18:26.37 | JeffM | is going to love and tollerate the $**T out of them. |
| 18:27.27 | JeffM | but first.. lunch |
| 18:28.39 | Quol | JeffM: about a comment you made up a bit...was it actually proven that apple is using amazon and MS as their back-end for iCloud..but was that proven? I thought it was mere speculation... |
| 18:29.07 | Quol | should read his sentences before hammering on the enter key |
| 18:29.28 | BulletCatcher | And let's not forget the Zorg ZF-1. "A word about firepower..." |
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| 19:37.29 | JeffM | Quol, some of there servers are hosted on the azure network |
| 19:37.35 | JeffM | but not all |
| 21:09.46 | JeffM | Quol or blast007 do ether of you have a prference between drupal or joomla? |
| 21:24.59 | Quol | as in to use for a standard site? or to hack apart and use as a framework? |
| 21:28.25 | JeffM | for a standard site |
| 21:28.52 | JeffM | our web guy wants one, corporate is going for another, we are trying to figure out what one to back |
| 21:29.07 | JeffM | I think that there is benifit in going with what our corporate product is going to use. |
| 21:29.44 | Quol | I have used both, and both are capable...I think drupal is less "hack-ish"...joomla at times with it's plugins can be funny |
| 21:30.30 | Quol | to me, drupal seems a little more thought out...joomla because of it's history seems like it's a little more thrown together...and the last time I used it, drupal out performed it |
| 21:30.40 | JeffM | the web guy likes drupal as well but used terms like "more scaleable" and "more robust" |
| 21:30.46 | JeffM | and didn't provide any specifics |
| 21:30.58 | JeffM | I think he just dosn't have any joomla developers |
| 21:31.29 | Quol | the core is deffinetely cleaner, and leaner than joomla..but they would scale in similar fashions (standard PHP scalability stuff...bytecode cache etc..( |
| 21:31.57 | JeffM | yeah that's waht I figured |
| 21:32.53 | Quol | because (at least in my tests) drupal out performs joomla straight up...I would expect taht you could get a couple more percentage scalability out of drupal |
| 21:33.08 | JeffM | that's at least something concrete |
| 21:33.12 | Quol | but how much? maybe 5% or 10...I wouldn't think higher than that |
| 21:33.41 | Quol | but - those tests were ~1.5 years ago.... |
| 21:33.46 | Quol | maybe joomla has changed since |
| 21:34.58 | Quol | I would still expect drupal to outperform joomla though out of the box - because of the more thought-our design....but once you through byte-code caching, I would expect similar results, with drupal leading the way by 5% or so |
| 21:35.11 | cheets | blast007: I tried running Warsow on this Sandybridge box and it didn't even start :( So unable to verify that GL works fine. |
| 21:37.22 | Quol | JeffM: actually, just looked at some dates, at those figures are at least 2 years old...so perhaps joomla is more streamlined now...haven't used it since then really |
| 21:44.08 | blast007 | JeffM: I have a preference: neither of those. ;) |
| 21:44.09 | JeffM | Quol, yeah I think it's going to come down to how much we can get out of what our other divisions do |
| 21:44.23 | JeffM | blast007, yeah you like your framework thingy don't you |
| 21:44.38 | blast007 | not really. the guy who made it sucks. |
| 21:44.40 | JeffM | personaly I want to fire our web designer, they are useles |
| 21:45.02 | blast007 | I need to learn something other than PHP... starting to get tired of it |
| 21:45.23 | JeffM | we asked them to make us a website with a standards CMS, they said they could make something better, now when we point out security issues, they want to move to drupal. |
| 21:45.41 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:46.00 | blast007 | guess it depends what you need |
| 21:46.02 | JeffM | they tried to say that input sanitization was too hard |
| 21:46.07 | blast007 | ... |
| 21:46.15 | JeffM | we nee to not dump our database to the first person that sends in a request for it ;) |
| 21:46.27 | JeffM | it's all butt simple CMS |
| 21:46.35 | JeffM | marketing adds articles and content |
| 21:46.40 | JeffM | customers view it |
| 21:46.42 | JeffM | that's it |
| 21:46.52 | blast007 | did they actually say "input sanitaization"? |
| 21:47.04 | blast007 | because that's not what you do to ensure that people can't inject SQL |
| 21:47.14 | blast007 | you use prepared statements for that |
| 21:47.32 | JeffM | pfff that would be WAY out of their leauge |
| 21:47.33 | blast007 | sanitizing your data is only for stuff that needs to be in a specific format, like a phone number |
| 21:47.45 | JeffM | all kinds of fields are in the URL |
| 21:47.59 | JeffM | they were just passin it in |
| 21:48.03 | blast007 | bleh.. |
| 21:48.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:48.23 | JeffM | we hammered them untill they fixed the major stuff |
| 21:48.39 | blast007 | I haven't used either of them enough |
| 21:48.59 | JeffM | we run security tests on every code change they give us now and reject them if there is an issue |
| 21:49.11 | blast007 | and I guess I'm probably overly picky about how I want my stuff to work, which is why none of the PHP frameworks were good enough for me .. |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM | so I think they just don't want to have to deal with thinking in a securty mindset |
| 21:49.38 | blast007 | in other words, they're a scripter, not a programmer |
| 21:49.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:49.51 | JeffM | they are front end designers |
| 21:49.56 | JeffM | they make pretty pictures |
| 21:50.04 | blast007 | needs more tacos |
| 21:50.10 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:50.31 | JeffM | I had to write the backend for our actual customer managed stuff |
| 21:50.51 | JeffM | that's why we are trying to hire a developer with web and db experience |
| 21:51.00 | JeffM | so I don't have to waste my time doing it |
| 21:51.15 | JeffM | I've got some very ugly text files to make |
| 21:51.59 | blast007 | cheets: at least that indicates it isn't specifically a BZFlag problem. You'll have to ask the Slackware people what to do to get your GL working properly. |
| 21:52.30 | JeffM | cheets, is it a laptop? |
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