| 00:03.33 | blast007 | spldart: the card I'm using right now is a 9800 GTX+ - runs BZFlag just fine and dandy ;) |
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| 00:20.06 | blast007 | spldart: were you referring to BZFlag, or, like... modern games? |
| 00:20.38 | spldart | Mostly bzflag. it's gonna be new work machine |
| 00:22.03 | blast007 | I'm planning to get a new card in the near future, once my car is paid off |
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| 02:31.09 | JeffM | wow, someone on the forums was tryin to get a rank |
| 02:37.15 | blast007 | yeah ... already deleted some of them... |
| 02:52.08 | JeffM | REPLY ALL THE POSTS! |
| 02:55.07 | JeffM | hmm ubutnu 10.10 or debian... |
| 02:56.07 | JeffM | blast007, you usualy run debian don't you? |
| 03:02.28 | spldart | Heh... the timing... installing debian on new workstation now |
| 03:03.20 | JeffM | I'm waiting for the cloud to magicaly install ubuntu in chigago |
| 03:03.21 | spldart | fyi if your installing soon. default server for repositories is a bit... slow |
| 03:04.28 | JeffM | it's a vps |
| 03:04.31 | JeffM | it'll come from an image |
| 03:04.33 | JeffM | I went ubuntu |
| 03:04.42 | JeffM | forgot they had better mono packages |
| 03:06.07 | spldart | hrmph. never heard of ubuntu cloud... reading up now |
| 03:06.22 | JeffM | no no |
| 03:06.25 | JeffM | it's normal ubuntu |
| 03:06.40 | JeffM | it's being installed automaticly on a virtual machine for me |
| 03:06.50 | JeffM | somewhere in chigago |
| 03:06.54 | JeffM | the ISP does it |
| 03:06.55 | spldart | ok. OH |
| 03:06.58 | spldart | ! |
| 03:07.00 | spldart | sry |
| 03:07.04 | spldart | well.. funny |
| 03:07.21 | JeffM | but as far as I have controll, it's magic :) |
| 03:07.32 | spldart | mmMMmm automagically |
| 03:08.31 | spldart | Can't believe my old gaming rig is now my new workstation n'stuff 8-o |
| 03:09.10 | spldart | along with the 42" sony flatscreen as the monitor... Will upgrading/passing down never cease. |
| 03:09.23 | spldart | err... 40 |
| 03:09.58 | spldart | anywho... I saw your question while I'm installing deb current stable... I think the netinst is 6.0.4 |
| 03:11.40 | JeffM | they just send me my login info, so I'm done :) |
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| 03:12.53 | spldart | Kew... |
| 03:13.10 | spldart | And my cot is starting to look tempting... hurry up netinst :~/ |
| 03:19.45 | JeffM | ibot ping burst2.opencombat.net |
| 03:19.45 | ibot | pong burst2.opencombat.net |
| 03:19.51 | JeffM | ibot you suck |
| 03:19.51 | ibot | and very well I might add |
| 03:19.58 | L4m3r | hahahahaha |
| 03:20.10 | JeffM | ibot who's your daddy? |
| 03:20.10 | ibot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 03:20.20 | L4m3r | haven't seen that one before |
| 03:50.02 | JeffM | hates setting up new vhosts |
| 03:55.20 | JeffM | hey Quol the gamestats folder in /web is empty |
| 03:55.26 | JeffM | \you didn't hcekc in any files |
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| 05:12.09 | Quol | JeffM: I will check in stuff this week. I created a blank folder just to allow me to get a working directory going and clean stuff up to prepare for the initial check-in |
| 05:12.18 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 05:13.36 | Quol | ya - I figured having a working directory just for my web stuff was safer (for a check-in)...that way I know I am not gonna screw up anything other than my crap : |
| 05:13.38 | Quol | :) |
| 05:14.27 | Quol | ooh - for timezone fixes: I will need to alter the collector a bit (to save in GMT time to DB) - you OK with that |
| 05:14.36 | JeffM | sure |
| 05:15.26 | Quol | cool...OK - bed time, need to sleep a couple of hours :) |
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| 06:17.23 | TimRiker | just as an FYI, bzflag.org dns is under a DOS attack from china |
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| 06:28.05 | L4m3r | They must be after the top-secret tank blueprints, or cutting-edge graphics tech :) |
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| 14:13.33 | blast007 | L4m3r: they heard we have teleporters |
| 14:13.35 | blast007 | and cake |
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| 15:16.11 | Short_circuit | got deb 6.0.4 goin. using the non-free nvidia driver. kernel 2.6.32.5-amd64 iirc. glxinfo | grep direct shows 'yes' but bzflag has incredibly poor performance. using aforementioned GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP |
| 15:16.52 | Short_circuit | Performance is as bad as a geforce mx400 or worse. |
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| 15:56.47 | ts | hmm, that reminds me on bzflag's terrible performance on my win7 install |
| 15:56.59 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 15:57.33 | ts | I or short circuit? |
| 15:57.33 | JeffM | the one that has terible performance on windows 7 |
| 15:57.49 | ts | That's me, I have a ATI Radeon 4870 |
| 15:58.11 | JeffM | current drivers? |
| 15:58.14 | ts | yep |
| 15:58.19 | JeffM | turn smoothing off |
| 15:59.07 | blast007 | Short_circuit: did you install the driver straight from nvidia.com, or did you do it the debian way? |
| 15:59.30 | blast007 | Short_circuit: also, if you could, pastebin the entire glxinfo output. |
| 16:01.50 | Short_circuit | the debian way. Which generally works fine. But in dinking with it I bunked it. glxinfo | grep direct = no now... also says libgl_debug=verbose for more info |
| 16:02.21 | blast007 | which debian package did you install? |
| 16:02.22 | ts | JeffM no real change |
| 16:02.36 | JeffM | how many fps do you get? |
| 16:02.49 | ts | like 100 |
| 16:03.00 | JeffM | you need more then that? |
| 16:03.00 | ts | plus some jitt |
| 16:03.13 | JeffM | 100fps generaly won't affect your jitter |
| 16:03.22 | Short_circuit | nvidiakernel 2 6 32 - f amd64 |
| 16:03.31 | Short_circuit | -5 not f |
| 16:03.43 | JeffM | but some ATI cards do have issues with the older GL calls we make |
| 16:03.49 | JeffM | apple drivers have issues |
| 16:04.01 | ts | yeah but I get 10ms jitter..and it's not only network because my graphics are stuttering, too |
| 16:04.18 | JeffM | that could be CPU |
| 16:04.22 | JeffM | is it a laptop? |
| 16:04.40 | ts | Nah, it's a workstation |
| 16:04.44 | JeffM | wierd |
| 16:04.51 | JeffM | what CPU is it? |
| 16:04.51 | Short_circuit | what's hilarious is debian 5 installed on this same hardware breeze easy |
| 16:04.51 | ts | Xeon W3520 |
| 16:04.58 | Short_circuit | this release is being a pita |
| 16:05.02 | JeffM | is the machine doing anything else? |
| 16:06.00 | ts | I use to have mumble open with its overlay enabled |
| 16:06.15 | ts | ol' 2.0.x runs smooth |
| 16:06.34 | JeffM | you have expiremental on? |
| 16:06.41 | JeffM | cus we didn't change the graphics much at all |
| 16:06.43 | ts | yes |
| 16:06.55 | JeffM | try it at high, tha'ts the old exeiremtal |
| 16:08.11 | ts | hmm, turning off mumble: smooth (but no fps change, 100 are okay though) |
| 16:08.27 | JeffM | most people can't see more then 60fps |
| 16:08.36 | JeffM | what sound card do you have? onboard? |
| 16:09.15 | ts | yes, it's a mac with onboard sound (intel hd graphics). The sound in bzflag is always slightly delayed. |
| 16:09.37 | JeffM | oh |
| 16:09.37 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:09.38 | Short_circuit | blast.. the now broken glxinfo http://pastebin.me/c589420d23daa3d5ddbe15e58e03789f |
| 16:09.41 | JeffM | good luck with that :) |
| 16:10.01 | JeffM | it's probably chewing CPU to use the sound |
| 16:10.14 | JeffM | there arn't great drivers for the apple hardware under windows |
| 16:11.08 | ts | Could be. Other games (prob using direct3d instead of opengl) have no delayed sound though |
| 16:11.09 | JeffM | is no longer concerned :) |
| 16:11.19 | JeffM | hard to say |
| 16:11.33 | JeffM | bzflag isn't exactly a paragon of new card features |
| 16:11.55 | JeffM | tho we are using direct sound for audio |
| 16:16.27 | blast007 | Short_circuit: that glxinfo isn't helpful if it's broken ;) |
| 16:16.34 | blast007 | definately not using hardware acceleration there |
| 16:16.46 | blast007 | what package did you install for your nvidia drivers? |
| 16:16.47 | Short_circuit | trying to figure out how I broke it. |
| 16:17.55 | blast007 | ts: for the graphics, are you using the bootcamp drivers, or ones from AMD? |
| 16:19.53 | Short_circuit | as I mentioned.. loaded nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5amd64 |
| 16:20.03 | Short_circuit | that gave me 3d accel. |
| 16:20.07 | Short_circuit | but now I broke it |
| 16:20.13 | Short_circuit | and can't figure out what I did |
| 16:20.26 | JeffM | install ubuntu, they do all the setup for you |
| 16:21.09 | Short_circuit | I'm considering it |
| 16:22.37 | blast007 | Short_circuit: so you didn't use module-assistant? |
| 16:23.28 | blast007 | ah, nvm, there's multiple debian ways ;) |
| 16:23.49 | JeffM | ubuntu has a clicky thing |
| 16:24.11 | blast007 | yeah, and an UI that makes me crazy |
| 16:24.20 | JeffM | true |
| 16:24.27 | JeffM | you can run regular gnome or kde |
| 16:24.34 | blast007 | not worth the hassle |
| 16:24.57 | JeffM | gnome was easy, just changed login prefs |
| 16:25.09 | blast007 | waiting for Linux Mint 13 |
| 16:27.00 | Short_circuit | nope.. didn';t use module assistant |
| 16:27.45 | Short_circuit | I'm getting you the varlog xorg |
| 16:28.33 | blast007 | you might want to ask for help on #debian on the OFTC IRC network |
| 16:28.48 | Short_circuit | tried that. they didn't even respond |
| 16:29.33 | blast007 | using what name? |
| 16:29.43 | Short_circuit | http://paste.ubuntu.com/902412/ |
| 16:29.50 | Short_circuit | short_circuit |
| 16:30.04 | Short_circuit | I'm seriously considering ubuntu right now |
| 16:30.24 | blast007 | then you weren't on the OFTC network |
| 16:30.28 | blast007 | you were probably on Freenode |
| 16:30.34 | Short_circuit | yep yep |
| 16:30.40 | blast007 | Debian's support channel is not on Freenode |
| 16:31.07 | Short_circuit | Oh... well... it was quite full of peeps but guess I was in the wrong place |
| 16:31.09 | Short_circuit | oh well |
| 16:31.12 | Short_circuit | I'm giving up. |
| 16:31.31 | blast007 | well, have fun with crapbuntu then ;) |
| 16:32.04 | Short_circuit | I hope to |
| 16:32.45 | JeffM | bah, stats.bo and .bc haven't updated on my dns yet :( |
| 16:33.04 | JeffM | have no idea where com is pointing |
| 16:33.26 | Short_circuit | hrm... can you install a 32 bit debian on a 64 bit machine like you can install a 32 bit windows on a 64 machine? |
| 16:33.33 | Short_circuit | Maybe I should just keep it simple. |
| 16:33.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:33.45 | blast007 | JeffM: those are CNAME's to my own record, so I could change them |
| 16:33.59 | Short_circuit | it's not like quad core 2.5 ghz isn't fast even at 32 |
| 16:34.03 | JeffM | ibot says they resolve to the right OP |
| 16:34.12 | JeffM | Short_circuit, do you have more then 4 gigs of ram? |
| 16:34.22 | Short_circuit | right at 4 gig |
| 16:34.29 | Short_circuit | x2 2 gig stick |
| 16:34.33 | JeffM | then 64 will let you use it all |
| 16:34.37 | blast007 | then you won't be able to use all 4GB with 32-bit |
| 16:34.38 | JeffM | 32 will limit you to 3 |
| 16:34.40 | Short_circuit | so limits me to what 3.5 |
| 16:34.46 | Short_circuit | oh! 3 'eh |
| 16:34.48 | JeffM | it depeends |
| 16:34.55 | JeffM | usualy on video memory |
| 16:35.21 | blast007 | imagines a 3GB card on a 32-bit OS ;) |
| 16:35.25 | Short_circuit | I still might try it |
| 16:35.41 | JeffM | I install 32 bit on VMs that don't have much ram |
| 16:35.47 | JeffM | it uses less memory that way |
| 16:35.58 | blast007 | I install 64-bit regardless |
| 16:36.18 | JeffM | we did some tests, in low memory situations i can help to do 32 bit |
| 16:36.21 | JeffM | but it's not much :) |
| 16:36.44 | Short_circuit | well. considering crapbuntu has a larger and more up to date repos iirc |
| 16:36.48 | blast007 | if anything uses memory mapped files, it helps to be on 64-bit |
| 16:36.52 | Short_circuit | perhaps I should just go that direction |
| 16:36.57 | JeffM | blast007, yes |
| 16:37.04 | JeffM | we were testing just for web hosting |
| 16:37.11 | Short_circuit | in the downloads ubuntu says 32 is recommended even though 64 is available |
| 16:37.14 | JeffM | nothing ram intensive |
| 16:37.15 | Short_circuit | on current release |
| 16:37.33 | JeffM | thats just because they know 32 bit works on all hardware |
| 16:37.35 | blast007 | Short_circuit: that's just because their users are morons and probably don't know if their CPU is 32-bit or 64-bit |
| 16:37.41 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:37.55 | JeffM | if you are unsure what you have, 32 will always work |
| 16:38.24 | Short_circuit | hrmph |
| 16:38.45 | Short_circuit | I'm torn. I am... was... so loyal to debian |
| 16:38.47 | Oejet | Short_circuit: What version of bzflag have you installed, and from where? |
| 16:38.49 | blast007 | "why ubuntu 32-bit no install on my beagle board?? halp meh" |
| 16:39.38 | Short_circuit | I was just trying the bzflag from repos but that's not an issue anymore. I broke accelleration for vid card |
| 16:40.09 | Short_circuit | does ubuntu have the new proto bzflag in it's repos? |
| 16:40.13 | blast007 | no |
| 16:40.15 | JeffM | nope |
| 16:40.20 | blast007 | they pull from debian |
| 16:40.21 | JeffM | it pulls from debian |
| 16:40.21 | Oejet | Short_circuit: That's the old version 2.0.16, right? |
| 16:40.31 | blast007 | Oejet: yes |
| 16:40.34 | JeffM | there is no package for debian or ubuntu yet |
| 16:40.35 | Short_circuit | prolly |
| 16:40.49 | JeffM | when there is the topic here will reflect that :) |
| 16:40.52 | Short_circuit | oh wow... so either way I'd have to get the dependencies together and build |
| 16:40.57 | JeffM | yep |
| 16:41.07 | JeffM | someone made an RPM didn't they? |
| 16:41.22 | blast007 | just go with a gentoo based distro ;) |
| 16:41.38 | Short_circuit | NOOOOOOO |
| 16:41.40 | JeffM | on his eepc.. that'd be awesome |
| 16:41.50 | Short_circuit | MEGA NOOO |
| 16:41.52 | Short_circuit | hehe |
| 16:41.59 | JeffM | the gentoo bzflag package is probalby the best maintained liniux package |
| 16:42.01 | blast007 | like Sabayon |
| 16:42.36 | blast007 | well, Emerge isn't only source-based anymore, afaik |
| 16:43.16 | Short_circuit | I could just install debian over and then load the one package nvidiakernel for my machine. It would work first try. I'd be back to slow rendering though. |
| 16:44.23 | JeffM | Quol, I have a VM setup that can host the stats site, I can get you an account on it when you are arround. |
| 16:44.38 | blast007 | Short_circuit: you really should ask on the real debian support channel |
| 16:44.46 | blast007 | it's quite active |
| 16:45.44 | blast007 | JeffM: in any case, he's doing it on a quad-core PC right now, so gentoo wouldn't be half bad. ;) his eeepc doesn't have an nvidia chip. |
| 16:45.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:46.15 | Oejet | JeffM: Current Fedora has Bzflag 2.4. |
| 16:46.17 | blast007 | https://packages.sabayon.org/quicksearch?q=bzflag&x=0&y=0 <-- 2.4.0 packages, Short_circuit, just waiting for you to install Sabayon Linux ;) |
| 16:46.27 | JeffM | cool so someone did make an RPM |
| 16:46.34 | blast007 | Oejet: yum install cookies yum yum |
| 16:47.03 | blast007 | or my favorite, yum remove yum |
| 16:47.49 | blast007 | is not a fan of the RPM |
| 16:49.06 | Short_circuit | is reinstalling |
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| 17:16.56 | Short_circuit | I'm thinking this time I'll just grab whatever nvidia has for linux drivers on it's site and see how that does :/ |
| 17:21.38 | blast007 | you won't get any support from Debian, then |
| 17:21.58 | Short_circuit | is that a problem? |
| 17:22.07 | blast007 | depends.. if you have a problem, they won't help you |
| 17:22.31 | Short_circuit | don't think I've ever gotten support from debian... do you recommend I stay with the prebuild kernelnividia thinger? |
| 17:23.17 | blast007 | well, when you ask for help on an unofficial channel, that's not "not getting support from debian". that's "not getting support from this unofficial channel" |
| 17:23.47 | Short_circuit | that's what I though.. what do you think? better off with nvidia's own offering? |
| 17:23.54 | Short_circuit | or just go with the repo package? |
| 17:24.02 | blast007 | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:24.03 | Short_circuit | Now I'm tempted to go repo package again |
| 17:25.09 | blast007 | I'd recommend at least trying it the nvidia way again, as documented in that wiki article |
| 17:25.35 | Short_circuit | ok... glxinfo | grep direct = yes again |
| 17:25.48 | blast007 | pastebin the glxinfo of that now ;) |
| 17:27.54 | blast007 | oh, and you installed the nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5amd64 package, but did you also install the glx package? |
| 17:28.10 | Short_circuit | http://pastebin.com/Ug1KCJkB |
| 17:28.35 | Short_circuit | I think its when I installed the glx package that things went tango uniform |
| 17:29.39 | blast007 | that glxinfo still says you're using software rendering |
| 17:29.57 | Short_circuit | okidoki... gonna install deb |
| 17:29.57 | Short_circuit | brb |
| 17:30.09 | blast007 | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Install_the_NVIDIA_X_driver_and_user-space_libraries |
| 17:30.25 | Quol | JeffM: sounds good. I just need apache (mod_rewrite, mod_php), mysql, php 5.3 - we going to setup apache virtual hosting? you need help setting it all up? |
| 17:30.26 | Short_circuit | back |
| 17:31.05 | JeffM | Quol, the vhost is setup |
| 17:31.16 | JeffM | stats.bzflag.org/com/net |
| 17:31.31 | blast007 | JeffM: what IP is that supposed to resolve to? |
| 17:31.47 | JeffM | whatever bzstats.opencombat.net does |
| 17:31.58 | blast007 | still comes up as mine |
| 17:32.13 | JeffM | I get different resutls for all 3 |
| 17:32.20 | JeffM | .net resolves to me |
| 17:32.52 | blast007 | did tim not update the .org/.com zone? |
| 17:33.01 | JeffM | I have NO idea |
| 17:33.04 | JeffM | I asked for all 3 |
| 17:33.38 | blast007 | maybe I'll go change my record to be a CNAME to your hostname ;) |
| 17:35.22 | JeffM | blast007, you got the message I sent you last night right? |
| 17:35.43 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:36.00 | blast007 | I just updated my stats.bzflag.bzexcess.com to point to your IP instead |
| 17:36.08 | blast007 | unfortunately, I have the TTL set at 12 hours ;) |
| 17:37.53 | JeffM | whatevs, there is no site there yet |
| 17:37.59 | blast007 | k |
| 17:38.10 | JeffM | both you and quol have accounts now |
| 17:38.11 | blast007 | perhaps he thought I was going to change it, since it was a CNAME to my stuff |
| 17:38.27 | blast007 | (whereas the .net probably wasn't) |
| 17:38.33 | JeffM | I dare not try to fathom what goes on in his head |
| 17:39.56 | JeffM | also if you need to offload anything from the main vhost to here, feel free |
| 17:40.02 | JeffM | even if it's just backups |
| 17:40.05 | JeffM | it has 20 gigs |
| 17:40.36 | blast007 | I've got the backups going to my dedi (though I do backup the wiki from my dedi to the VPS) |
| 17:41.00 | JeffM | I know space is an issue on the vps |
| 17:41.26 | blast007 | the forum is probably the biggest chunk |
| 17:42.11 | JeffM | we could set up replication and have the list move to my server and have it have a read only copy of the forum users table |
| 17:42.53 | blast007 | would require a bit of work, since the list currently writes to the forum users table |
| 17:43.04 | JeffM | really? |
| 17:43.09 | JeffM | that's lame |
| 17:43.15 | JeffM | it shoudl be it's own table |
| 17:43.16 | blast007 | token stuff goes straight into the forum table |
| 17:43.26 | JeffM | lamzorz |
| 17:43.58 | blast007 | ideally, registration would happen *at* the list server, and then there would be an optional "create a forum account" option |
| 17:44.24 | JeffM | meh, I say have the list just do auth, make em go to a page on the central machine |
| 17:44.26 | blast007 | but I'm somewhat leery of that option as well... easy for stuff to screw up |
| 17:44.34 | JeffM | then we can have a bunch of read only auth servers |
| 17:44.49 | blast007 | well, I mean have a player portal that includes the list server aspect |
| 17:44.57 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:45.35 | blast007 | nice UI for registering on the web, but also easily tied into the game |
| 17:46.24 | blast007 | the bzfls.php is one of the last remaining remnants of m.b.o ;) |
| 17:47.12 | blast007 | would probably make JSON the default data format for talking between the services, as well |
| 17:47.37 | blast007 | easy to add new features to the list without breaking old clients, that way |
| 17:47.57 | JeffM | heh... features. |
| 17:48.00 | blast007 | XML would be fine as well, but a bit harder to parse in JS libs |
| 17:48.00 | JeffM | you tell the best jokes |
| 17:48.16 | blast007 | well, the code could be used for something better ;) |
| 17:48.16 | Short_circuit | yeah. every time I try to configure int the driver properly it fails. Followed the directions on that site.. remember that site from last time I setup nvid with 3d accel in debian 5. But n/g |
| 17:48.28 | JeffM | blast007, not really, I have a different topology |
| 17:48.46 | JeffM | and for me XML is SUPER easy to parse |
| 17:48.48 | blast007 | Short_circuit: so /server irc.debian.org and /join #debian |
| 17:48.53 | blast007 | JeffM: true |
| 17:49.00 | Short_circuit | ubuntu |
| 17:49.12 | JeffM | they have a channel somewhere too |
| 17:49.19 | blast007 | ubuntu has one on freenode |
| 17:49.27 | Short_circuit | i meant I'm installing ubuntu |
| 17:49.31 | JeffM | but on ubuntu they should just offer it to you in the "hardware drivers" thingy |
| 17:49.50 | blast007 | that never works for my nVidia 5200 ;) |
| 17:50.06 | Short_circuit | I don't need to fudge with this stuff. Just want linux, dosbox, and a few other thingies |
| 17:50.32 | blast007 | don't think I've gotten that to work properly on linux yet... I either get no acceleration and can choose resolutions, or I get acceleration but can only pick 640x480 and 800x600 .. |
| 17:50.49 | JeffM | ugg FX 5200, tha'ts legacy stuff |
| 17:50.53 | blast007 | yah |
| 17:51.17 | blast007 | only other video card I have that isn't even more ancient or AGP ;) |
| 17:51.23 | Short_circuit | don't understand why deb 5 installed great on this but deb 6 cannot handle this hardware |
| 17:51.25 | blast007 | think I've got a TNT2 AGP |
| 17:51.42 | blast007 | Short_circuit: then you should ask the support channel that question |
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| 18:30.02 | blast007 | driver situation solved ;) |
| 18:30.24 | spldart | yep |
| 18:33.32 | spldart | And thank you very much blast.. ! do wonder why I was missing that directory and that file :( |
| 18:34.12 | blast007 | the directory might not exist by default, but I'd think it almost should |
| 18:34.26 | blast007 | the file wouldn't exist by default |
| 18:35.05 | spldart | ~bzsvn |
| 18:35.05 | ibot | well, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 18:35.24 | spldart | threw me for a freaking loop |
| 18:35.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:37.21 | spldart | god I'm a gluten.. I'm working on dependencies now :( |
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| 19:02.31 | spldart | builds away |
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| 19:07.07 | spldart | Geez it's done in 2:45.. runs and everything |
| 19:09.16 | spldart | busiest server max settings. still only getting a range of 200 to 350 fps or so. Kinda dissapointed by that |
| 19:09.46 | spldart | I did get the right one? 2.4.0? |
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| 20:06.13 | blast007 | spldart: did you build from SVN or the source tar.gz we released? |
| 20:12.20 | blast007 | both should work, but SVN is newer and has some fixes added to it - specifically some fixes that improve building on Linux |
| 20:12.32 | blast007 | SVN trunk, that is. |
| 20:12.33 | spldart | svn |
| 20:12.36 | blast007 | k |
| 20:12.40 | spldart | build 2.4.0 from svn |
| 20:12.43 | blast007 | 2.4.1 |
| 20:12.50 | spldart | how do I get 2.4.1? |
| 20:13.04 | blast007 | svn trunk is 2.4.1 |
| 20:13.19 | blast007 | did you get trunk, or did you get the 2.4.0 tag? |
| 20:14.11 | spldart | did someone not change the little bzflag 2.4.0 at the top of the begining of the game? :) |
| 20:14.29 | blast007 | we don't change that for dev releases |
| 20:14.40 | blast007 | dev versions* |
| 20:14.52 | spldart | ah.. ok |
| 20:15.14 | spldart | anywho.. I got trunk |
| 20:15.24 | blast007 | cool, so yeah, latest and greatest then ;) |
| 20:15.31 | spldart | shuweeet |
| 20:15.39 | blast007 | soon-ish to be released as 2.4.2 |
| 20:16.28 | blast007 | BulletCatcher / JeffM / etc: Anything left for 2.4.2? Only thing I have in mind is checking over that chat filter change from a few weeks back. |
| 20:16.52 | JeffM | I think we've been waiting on you as long has BulletCatcher and tupone have the build system working |
| 20:17.13 | blast007 | last I saw from Tupone was a "part 1" of the changes he was making |
| 20:18.47 | blast007 | r22433 "Reallow build out of source tree (1st part)" |
| 20:23.03 | blast007 | I'll work out what I have left to fix with the debian packaging and work that out with the games team |
| 20:23.40 | blast007 | dunno how I feel about an init script for bzfs.. |
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| 23:47.21 | blast007 | nice, google analytics really has some neat stuff now |
| 23:47.49 | blast007 | they have a "visitors flow" diagram that shows the page view flow that your visitors take |
| 23:49.19 | blast007 | I'll have to see about hooking up the download links to GA events |
| 23:50.24 | Gabe_G23 | did I miss something about there being no more MOTD? :O |
| 23:51.10 | JeffM | you didn't get the MOTD about that? |
| 23:51.58 | Gabe_G23 | :P |
| 23:54.01 | blast007 | oh yeah, MOTD. that might be nice to re-add to the new site. :P |
| 23:54.50 | blast007 | Message of the Day: 404 Page Not Found |
| 23:55.42 | brad | bzflag website finally entered the 21st century \o/ |
| 23:55.49 | brad | ~blast007++ |
| 23:56.11 | blast007 | yeah, in the 21st century, we don't need no stinking MOTD. Time to integrate twitter into BZFlag! |
| 23:56.19 | brad | haha |
| 23:59.30 | Gabe_G23 | lol |