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| 01:43.06 | blast007 | preps for commit spam ;) |
| 01:43.21 | ts3d | preps catchers mitt. |
| 01:43.24 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 7e399f974924 r11 10/views/header.tpl.php: Embed the screenshots page stylesheet into the page due to its small size. |
| 01:43.25 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * ee025b017738 r12 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Combine the three controllers into a single controller. |
| 01:43.25 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 4be1e0446588 r13 10/ (244 files in 20 dirs): Split the files into the public HTTP accessible files (htdocs) and the application code. |
| 01:43.26 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 518131cfeb29 r14 10/ (README.md htdocs/.htaccess): |
| 01:43.26 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: Add some info in the README file about how to configure Apache, and get rid of |
| 01:43.26 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: the .htaccess file. |
| 01:43.52 | blast007 | throw it to third!! |
| 01:44.55 | ts3d | And he's oooooooooooooooout! |
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| 02:52.43 | kierra | ~blast007++ |
| 02:54.48 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * e4a8a75d64ee r15 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Add the start of a downloads page. |
| 02:56.00 | blast007 | http://bzflag.porteighty.org/download (doesn't link to anywhere yet) |
| 02:56.49 | JeffM | a link to the getting started page would be nice too |
| 02:57.00 | blast007 | yep |
| 02:57.30 | blast007 | might rename screenshots to media as well, since we could put some videos on there |
| 02:57.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:43.04 | AAA_awright | Here's a bold idea, theme the wiki and make that the new website |
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| 08:20.51 | Constitution | ~blast007++ |
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| 08:34.14 | Constitution | should highlight some of the other maps howsted on comcast bisness connexshuns by nn, like mafoo frestyle, and how you can print the whole bzflag source code! |
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| 10:15.47 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Helton 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:Helton: |
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| 11:28.07 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 6454d89da32b r16 10/htdocs/resources/css/style.css: Always show the vertical scroll bar. |
| 11:28.07 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * ce352927960c r17 10/htdocs/resources/css/screenshots.css: Get rid of screenshots.css. |
| 11:28.07 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 2c30729c6dc5 r18 10/application/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Rename Screenshots to Media. Also added a link to the Getting Started wiki page. |
| 11:31.16 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I'd rather not tie it to the wiki. This site should be a lot more "Slashdot-ready" than Mediawiki... |
| 11:31.44 | blast007 | not that bzflag gets much of that anymore - but this site could also get used for some other game at some point ;) |
| 12:26.46 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Mr Burns 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8249 10/Skybox: Undo vandalism revision 8247 by [[Special:Contributions/Helton|Helton]] ([[User talk:Helton|talk]]) |
| 12:27.15 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Mr Burns 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8250 10/Public_Server: Undo vandalism revision 8248 by [[Special:Contributions/Helton|Helton]] ([[User talk:Helton|talk]]) |
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| 15:17.42 | JeffM | damn, I forgot to write up some slideshow items for you blast007, I'll try to do that today |
| 15:18.05 | JeffM | last night was spent making sure new cat did not destroy anything |
| 15:18.11 | blast007 | heh |
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| 15:21.22 | JeffM | paste incoming |
| 15:21.24 | JeffM | Free Online Multiplayer Action Gaming. |
| 15:21.24 | JeffM | Open Source, Free as in speech. |
| 15:21.24 | JeffM | Competitive League Play. |
| 15:21.24 | JeffM | Low system requirements. |
| 15:21.24 | JeffM | A clean retro feel. |
| 15:21.25 | JeffM | Did we mention Free? |
| 15:21.57 | JeffM | maybe also "it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a tank!" |
| 15:22.37 | JeffM | I also wonder about changing "downloads" to "Play now" |
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| 16:43.59 | AAA_awright | blast007: Wikipedia is pretty Slashdot-ready, all that stuff is cached for a reason |
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| 16:56.06 | blast007 | AAA_awright: they have more than a single server as well ;) |
| 16:57.25 | JeffM | put all our websites in git, it solves all problems ;) |
| 16:57.41 | blast007 | our VPS couldn't even handle mediawiki being indexed by google |
| 16:58.07 | blast007 | sucks up like 60MB of RAM per page view |
| 16:58.11 | JeffM | ouch |
| 16:58.14 | blast007 | it's a beast |
| 16:58.27 | JeffM | yeah it wants the pages to be cached |
| 16:58.44 | blast007 | yup, designed to be behind a load balancer and cache system |
| 16:58.52 | blast007 | and split across dozens of servers :) |
| 16:58.59 | blast007 | "RAM is cheap!" |
| 16:59.04 | Cobra_Fast | afaik, the mediawiki caching system can be turned off |
| 16:59.13 | JeffM | get us a couple thousand subscribers then I'll get you those loadbalancers |
| 16:59.21 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: to make it even slower? |
| 16:59.21 | JeffM | and pay you to work on the game full time ;) |
| 16:59.28 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:59.42 | Cobra_Fast | depending on the size of your database |
| 17:00.16 | Cobra_Fast | but since mysql does some caching too, the performance drop wont be too hard |
| 17:00.33 | blast007 | I'm running the wiki on my dedicated server instead |
| 17:00.40 | blast007 | so it's got some headroom to work with :) |
| 17:00.40 | JeffM | I think the point is that it's optimized for caching |
| 17:00.48 | JeffM | when chacing is off it uses 60 megs per page view |
| 17:00.56 | JeffM | hence why it kills VPSs |
| 17:01.08 | blast007 | no, that's just the memory usage from loading all the PHP code, mostly |
| 17:01.15 | AAA_awright | I haven't registered anything close to those numbers |
| 17:01.25 | Cobra_Fast | me neither |
| 17:01.31 | JeffM | yeah if it was caching the static pages it would not load that PHP |
| 17:01.34 | blast007 | I can't recall the exact numbers |
| 17:01.41 | blast007 | but it required bumping up the PHP memory limit :P |
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| 17:04.50 | blast007 | the new BZFlag site peaks at about 780KB as reported by memory_get_peak_usage(true) |
| 17:05.09 | JeffM | that's pretty lightweight |
| 17:05.26 | blast007 | of course, I'm not doing any database stuff yet |
| 17:05.28 | JeffM | using a wiki for a mainpage is kinda gheto |
| 17:06.00 | JeffM | it says to me "we don't care enough to even write a site or make our own content" |
| 17:06.59 | blast007 | can't remember if it was mediawiki that sucked up that much RAM |
| 17:07.03 | blast007 | or if it was just certain areas |
| 17:07.16 | blast007 | might also be thinking of the opcode cache |
| 17:07.28 | blast007 | memory_get_peak_usage(true) is reporting around 8MB for the wiki main page |
| 17:09.06 | blast007 | and this is all just the peak memory usage. there's lots of other factors that affect performance |
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| 17:19.34 | JeffM | I assume the primary goal of the page redesign is to attract and keep new players right? |
| 17:41.35 | blast007 | yup |
| 17:41.51 | blast007 | gonna see if I can get some cross-site analytics going as well |
| 17:42.06 | blast007 | I *think* google analytics lets you track stuff between multiple hostnames |
| 17:43.52 | JeffM | then yeah it'd be kinda lame to move to a wiki as the mainpage |
| 17:44.01 | JeffM | you want to jaz it up |
| 17:44.29 | blast007 | "Welcome to our homepage. Click here to edit our homepage." just doesn't seem too professional ;) |
| 17:44.38 | JeffM | all of the screenshots in the slideshow and the first 6 screenshots all need to be playing shots that show multiple people. |
| 17:44.40 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:45.01 | JeffM | the open source one can have the OS logs on it too |
| 17:45.06 | JeffM | and probalby a stupid pengin |
| 17:45.26 | JeffM | logos even |
| 17:45.40 | blast007 | "open source one" referring to what? |
| 17:45.55 | JeffM | did you see my list of things to put in the slideshow? |
| 17:46.00 | JeffM | taglines |
| 17:46.02 | blast007 | oh, that |
| 17:46.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:46.26 | JeffM | maybe throw in "git sucks" |
| 17:46.32 | blast007 | I have a stupid pengin graphics prepped as well ;) |
| 17:46.35 | blast007 | graphic* |
| 17:46.49 | JeffM | today is bad typing day |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM | that'd be an awesome company name, "Stupid Pengin" |
| 17:48.08 | I_Died_Once | i wouldnt want to work for them, think about it - people would ask you "are YOU the stupid penguin?" |
| 17:48.20 | JeffM | say "nope" |
| 17:48.26 | JeffM | he's in the back |
| 17:48.34 | I_Died_Once | then again, for the right money, i'll be your stupid penguin |
| 17:49.54 | JeffM | I would like to be able to get the right money |
| 17:52.00 | blast007 | yeah, I keep getting the wrong money. Says "Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe" on it. |
| 17:52.19 | JeffM | YOU ARE A WINNER! |
| 17:53.29 | I_Died_Once | oh yeah? well, guess what - i just got a stroke of luck - seems a pen pal I never knew I had is the nephew of the King of Nigeria, who recently died and left his inheritance for me |
| 17:53.30 | blast007 | you didn't go with the Big Rigs Over The Road Racing joke there? aww |
| 17:53.41 | blast007 | YOU'RE WINNER! |
| 17:53.46 | I_Died_Once | all I gotta do is open an account with 1,000 dollars in it and the money is mine |
| 17:54.15 | I_Died_Once | Once the finds come through, I'm going to bank the bzflag project |
| 17:54.20 | I_Died_Once | **funds |
| 17:54.48 | blast007 | that sad part is that actually works well enough for them to keep sending it.... |
| 17:55.21 | I_Died_Once | I'd send a thousand of those emails if but one person fell for it |
| 17:55.39 | I_Died_Once | good thing i'm too lazy to bother |
| 17:55.47 | blast007 | one in a million would make it worth it :P |
| 17:55.59 | blast007 | doesn't cost much to spam out a million emails |
| 17:56.42 | I_Died_Once | mayube you could alter the bzfs code to send botnet-like emails while the game is in play |
| 17:56.57 | I_Died_Once | the project would then pay for itself! |
| 18:25.41 | JeffM | naw, I'll just make the players pay for it |
| 18:25.46 | JeffM | and be happy to do so |
| 18:51.09 | khonkhortisan | You want the genocide flag? Pay me |
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| 19:09.50 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:09.59 | JeffM | microtransactions can work |
| 19:10.15 | JeffM | but I'd do "you want a fancy looking tank skin.. give us a dollar" |
| 19:11.35 | JeffM | or "want to play on a server with no kiddies or jerks, gimme 3 dollars a month" |
| 19:11.56 | blast007 | "Do you want candy to fly out of your exploded tank? 10 dollars." |
| 19:12.14 | JeffM | you'd be suprized how well that would work |
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| 19:12.18 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:12.35 | JeffM | hats paid for portal2 |
| 19:15.14 | JeffM | tho really I'm pondering letting people buy more callsign slots as a one shot |
| 19:15.21 | JeffM | make the name changers pay |
| 19:15.31 | I_Died_Once | I remember getting crucified for the "...this space for rent" |
| 19:15.38 | JeffM | the world has changed |
| 19:15.51 | JeffM | it's now ready for microtransactions |
| 19:16.28 | I_Died_Once | then that makes me a pioneer |
| 19:16.34 | JeffM | not realy |
| 19:16.43 | JeffM | you were trying to do advertising |
| 19:16.49 | JeffM | and that's still harsh in game |
| 19:17.02 | JeffM | but selling things to your users is acceptable now |
| 19:17.22 | I_Died_Once | "Tampax - the Official Tampon of Planet MoFo" |
| 19:17.22 | JeffM | even modern games get flak for trying to push ads in game |
| 19:17.26 | I_Died_Once | i dunno man |
| 19:17.35 | JeffM | if course you would go there |
| 19:19.09 | I_Died_Once | yikes 7.6 earthquake in mexico |
| 19:36.07 | JeffM | yeah saw that at lunch |
| 19:36.20 | JeffM | sadly the nature of where we live |
| 19:36.59 | I_Died_Once | what, on a planet? |
| 19:37.16 | JeffM | some places are closer to tears in the crust then others |
| 19:37.32 | I_Died_Once | no where in the us is truly safe from natural disaters |
| 19:37.46 | JeffM | noone is truely safe from anything ;) |
| 19:38.01 | I_Died_Once | east coast is hurricane terrirory, west coast is earthquake land |
| 19:38.09 | I_Died_Once | tornado alley in the middle |
| 19:38.11 | JeffM | but that area of mexico is active in a tectonic sense |
| 19:38.16 | I_Died_Once | new yorkers in NY |
| 19:38.22 | JeffM | don't froget yellowstone |
| 19:38.32 | JeffM | when that blows it won't be purdy |
| 19:38.36 | I_Died_Once | yeah, we got a couple of volcano's too |
| 19:41.52 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_New_Madrid_earthquake <-- probably be another one like this at some point, with far greater damages... buildings in this area aren't designed to withstand quakes |
| 19:42.16 | blast007 | "this area" referring to wisconsin, at least |
| 19:43.38 | JeffM | yeah and you don't have that ocean to soak up half the energy |
| 19:44.07 | I_Died_Once | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4oW9eqYh44 |
| 19:44.45 | I_Died_Once | spill the great lakes, maybe |
| 19:44.55 | blast007 | supposedly the Mississippi river ran backwards (in areas) for a few hours ... |
| 19:45.02 | JeffM | nice |
| 19:45.13 | JeffM | the only way to "spill" a lake is to have another area bet lower |
| 19:45.16 | JeffM | be |
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| 19:53.43 | linuxdude2 | anybody know why my server time countdown (30 minutes) doesn't reset after CTF game?? |
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| 19:55.45 | JeffM | is that even a feature? |
| 20:00.49 | linuxdude2 | it works on tdm |
| 20:01.08 | JeffM | tdm? |
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| 20:18.02 | linuxdude2 | team death match |
| 20:18.11 | linuxdude2 | have u ever played BZFlag/r u new?? |
| 20:18.24 | JeffM | be nice |
| 20:18.30 | JeffM | I don't have to help you |
| 20:18.57 | linuxdude2 | i'm being nice |
| 20:18.59 | JeffM | I have never heard it by that name |
| 20:19.03 | linuxdude2 | asking a question |
| 20:19.11 | linuxdude2 | ctf |
| 20:19.11 | JeffM | I know |
| 20:19.17 | JeffM | trying to find the answer for you |
| 20:19.21 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 20:19.24 | linuxdude2 | thanks |
| 20:19.53 | JeffM | I recall there being somethig where it dosn't do it automaticly on CTF |
| 20:19.59 | JeffM | so that people could report matches |
| 20:20.09 | JeffM | but I can't find the code for it specificly |
| 20:20.29 | linuxdude2 | oh |
| 20:20.46 | linuxdude2 | does it do it on 2.4 servers?? |
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| 20:27.22 | JeffM | kinda hard to talk to you when you can't stay connected |
| 20:27.40 | JeffM | I don't think anything with countdown was changed in 2.4 |
| 20:41.32 | JeffM | I can look more after I build this compiler |
| 20:56.58 | JeffM | I don't see anything using the CTF game type that would prevent that. it does use different start logic but the end logic looks similar |
| 21:02.42 | blast007 | linuxdude2: we do not have a team death match mode. so you must be running the wrong game. are you new? |
| 21:03.41 | JeffM | yeah it's always been called "Free for all" even though it should be called team deathmach cus that's what it actualy is |
| 21:03.51 | linuxdude2 | exactly |
| 21:04.10 | linuxdude2 | that should be added to your next update to bzflag btw........ |
| 21:04.30 | JeffM | we'll get righ on that |
| 21:04.34 | blast007 | the next update will involve several thin pieces of wood and some nails |
| 21:05.19 | JeffM | probably a burning too |
| 21:05.23 | JeffM | viking funeral |
| 21:05.32 | blast007 | in any case, there is a -g option that might be what you want, linuxdud2 |
| 21:05.57 | JeffM | I got flack for changing to to deathmach, thats why we have "Open FFA" |
| 21:06.05 | JeffM | too many people knew the old name |
| 21:06.14 | JeffM | and "death" sounded to harsh to some |
| 21:06.42 | JeffM | the countdown code is super wacky to read |
| 21:07.03 | blast007 | I think -g shuts the server down when 'game over' is triggered |
| 21:07.09 | blast007 | so it would need to be run in a loop |
| 21:07.26 | blast007 | don't think the league server do that though, but I know you have to reconnect to get the 'game over' message to go away |
| 21:07.31 | JeffM | isnt' that how the gu does it |
| 21:07.44 | blast007 | their servers don't restart when the game ends |
| 21:08.05 | blast007 | iirc, they just reconnect and that clears the message from their screen |
| 21:08.14 | JeffM | lame |
| 21:48.37 | linuxdude2 | doesn't -g end the game?? |
| 21:49.19 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 21:49.24 | linuxdude2 | i'm leaving |
| 21:49.35 | linuxdude2 | gonna play with server some more |
| 21:49.44 | linuxdude2 | c ya guys |
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| 22:57.03 | Constitution | yeah JeffM are you new? |
| 22:57.21 | Delusional | ~newb |
| 22:57.21 | ibot | somebody said newb was Don't bother telling us you're a "newb", "n00b", or "nub". We can tell. |
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| 22:58.46 | JeffM | I am notaly a newb |
| 23:09.35 | BulletCatcher | There are several events, such as starting a new countdown, that the client ought to be able to use to stop the flashing "game over" message without rejoining. |
| 23:09.36 | BulletCatcher | I haven't looked to see how easy it would really be to make that happen, of course. |
| 23:11.14 | BulletCatcher | This would be for observers. I don't have a problem with making players rejoin afterward. |
| 23:14.56 | blast007 | or just make it stop flashing after 30 seconds ;) |
| 23:15.24 | blast007 | there's not much of a reason to make people rejoin at all |
| 23:15.34 | blast007 | a plugin should be able to clear the scores |
| 23:16.54 | mdskpr_ | you wouldn't want to clear the scores right away, because the players might forget the score and not be able to report it correctly... |
| 23:17.12 | mdskpr_ | i assume you mean teamscores? |
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| 23:27.30 | JeffM | mdskpr_, if they are that important a plugin should auto report them ;) |
| 23:30.56 | blast007 | mdskpr_: well, I was meaning in the event of a new countdown starting |
| 23:38.09 | mdskpr_ | ah ok |
| 23:39.49 | JeffM | yeah really we should minimize rejoins |
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