| 00:00.08 | JeffM | it's luatastic |
| 00:00.10 | blast007 | customized Lua, so it can't use the system lib |
| 00:00.20 | blast007 | so security updates would be .. fun |
| 00:00.31 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:01.33 | blast007 | it'd probably not be the end of the world if we got rid of all the third-party libs from our source tree. and then for windows we can just provide an additional download the includes all the third party libs needed to build. |
| 00:02.26 | blast007 | would eliminate the need for us to maintain all of them, and would simplify our build system slightly |
| 00:04.38 | Sgeo | Is cheating still a major problem these days? |
| 00:05.01 | Sgeo | Wait, I don't recall seeing any cheaters... maybe once... |
| 00:05.16 | Sgeo | So not sure why I thought it ws a major problem. But is the game less cheatable? |
| 00:05.36 | blast007 | there still is |
| 00:06.02 | blast007 | probably more subtle stuff now though |
| 00:06.50 | Sgeo | Hmm, maybe make a server that records everything, then processes later. Wouldn't prevent cheating, but would detect it. |
| 00:06.58 | Sgeo | So the cheater could be reported. |
| 00:07.07 | blast007 | reported to who? |
| 00:07.27 | Sgeo | Good point. Who controls the primary server list? |
| 00:07.39 | blast007 | the project does |
| 00:07.44 | blast007 | but we don't patrol servers |
| 00:07.49 | Sgeo | Maybe they could store a database of ... but then there's no way to authenticate that only cheaters are on there. |
| 00:07.54 | Sgeo | blast007, I mean as a voluntary thing |
| 00:08.13 | blast007 | like a bzflag police force? :) |
| 00:08.38 | blast007 | bzcops was tried long, long ago - didn't work well enough |
| 00:08.51 | blast007 | and there are some servers that share lists of cheaters |
| 00:09.00 | blast007 | but the list can be biased |
| 00:09.34 | Sgeo | I've never seen checking ... b l a h ... |
| 00:09.37 | Sgeo | In ./configure before |
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| 00:12.10 | blast007 | that's pretty normal |
| 00:12.54 | Sgeo | It may have been a while since I compiled stuff like this |
| 00:13.48 | blast007 | there is a way to make a debian package for 2.4, but it's not perfect yet |
| 00:13.59 | blast007 | and would require a few extra things installed to make it work |
| 00:17.07 | linuxdude2 | how exactly would road |
| 00:17.23 | Sgeo | linuxdude2, are you the person I saw recently/ |
| 00:17.27 | Sgeo | On the old version? |
| 00:17.36 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 00:17.43 | linuxdude2 | been playing with meteorite |
| 00:17.50 | linuxdude2 | we don't sit on an irc alld ay |
| 00:18.10 | blast007 | linuxdude2: not sure what your question means. how would road? |
| 00:18.38 | linuxdude2 | neverming |
| 00:18.45 | linuxdude2 | didn't finish sentence |
| 00:18.53 | linuxdude2 | hey blast |
| 00:19.10 | Sgeo | Still compiling. |
| 00:19.14 | Sgeo | Every day I'm compiling |
| 00:19.15 | Sgeo | >.> |
| 00:19.20 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:19.23 | linuxdude2 | how would road runner contact me?? They never gave me an ISP email account when i bought their internet service |
| 00:19.34 | blast007 | mail |
| 00:19.41 | linuxdude2 | house mail?? |
| 00:19.46 | linuxdude2 | mailbox |
| 00:19.47 | blast007 | sure |
| 00:19.53 | linuxdude2 | makes sense |
| 00:20.06 | linuxdude2 | what would it say exactly (if you could guess)?? |
| 00:20.14 | blast007 | or maybe they'll just hand your info to the RIAA |
| 00:20.25 | blast007 | and then the lawsuit begins |
| 00:20.34 | linuxdude2 | they have no proog |
| 00:20.36 | linuxdude2 | proof |
| 00:20.44 | blast007 | um, yeah, they do :) |
| 00:21.13 | linuxdude2 | how |
| 00:22.10 | linuxdude2 | what |
| 00:22.14 | linuxdude2 | what proof |
| 00:23.36 | linuxdude2 | exactly |
| 00:24.26 | a_meteorite | Sgeo: I know it's the old version :) |
| 00:24.32 | a_meteorite | I keep it around |
| 00:24.36 | blast007 | your IP address, the time the files were found, the filenames |
| 00:24.51 | linuxdude2 | how r they gonna get that |
| 00:25.30 | linuxdude2 | hey meteorite!! |
| 00:25.51 | blast007 | ~dns linuxdude.no-ip.org |
| 00:25.56 | a_meteorite | also I sit on IRC all day :P |
| 00:26.22 | Sgeo | I sit on IRC all day, but not necessarily in this channel |
| 00:26.25 | linuxdude2 | what if you change your ip?? |
| 00:26.26 | Sgeo | (Obviously) |
| 00:26.27 | blast007 | linuxdude2: the fact that you removed the files now doesn't mean they didn't already compile a list |
| 00:26.35 | blast007 | your ISP would have logs of who had what IP, and when |
| 00:27.04 | blast007 | they would subpoena your ISP for the information |
| 00:27.16 | blast007 | the likelyhood that your site was found by them is low, however |
| 00:27.23 | blast007 | but it's good that you took it down |
| 00:28.15 | linuxdude2 | are they really gonna find me?? |
| 00:28.23 | linuxdude2 | why do you want me to get caught?? |
| 00:28.28 | linuxdude2 | seems like you do |
| 00:28.28 | blast007 | I don't |
| 00:28.38 | blast007 | just letting you know the implications of your actions |
| 00:28.53 | linuxdude2 | are they really gonna find me?? |
| 00:29.07 | linuxdude2 | thanks anyways |
| 00:29.15 | linuxdude2 | i've learned my lesson |
| 00:29.17 | linuxdude2 | ok?? |
| 00:29.59 | linuxdude2 | shouldn't http://beemp3.com/ be illegal then |
| 00:30.06 | linuxdude2 | or because they aren't hosting it?? |
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| 00:30.46 | blast007 | linuxdude2: 19:27:15 <+blast007> the likelyhood that your site was found by them is low, however |
| 00:30.56 | blast007 | and please don't link to sites like that here |
| 00:31.04 | linuxdude2 | oki |
| 00:31.05 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 00:31.23 | linuxdude2 | the server was only up for an hour or two anyways |
| 00:31.33 | blast007 | yeah, I wouldn't worry about it then |
| 00:31.37 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 00:31.44 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 00:31.47 | linuxdude2 | i gotta go |
| 00:31.49 | linuxdude2 | c ya |
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| 00:31.59 | JeffM_ | have to take out the trash?> |
| 00:34.50 | mdskpr_ | lol |
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| 00:39.11 | blast007 | maybe he's changing his IP. now it will be 192.168.1.5 instead of 192.168.1.4. Now the RIAA will never find him. |
| 00:41.55 | a_meteorite | Genius! |
| 00:42.31 | blast007 | I know, right? |
| 00:43.50 | a_meteorite | "It wasn't me, your honor, I swear! See, it was that evil no-good 192.168.1.4 guy! HE'S THE REAL CRIMINAL!" |
| 01:02.47 | blast007 | goes off to get amusing screenshots for this mockup |
| 01:05.23 | Flash | you guys are harsh |
| 01:05.41 | Flash | but I'm with a_meteorite ... I should have known reading the backlog was a waste of time |
| 01:06.50 | JeffM_ | when you come in all cocky and saying stuff that aint' true to impress people, you may get some backlash |
| 01:11.17 | Sgeo | I don't seem to have an Options -> Audio -> Device thing in my game |
| 01:11.35 | Sgeo | Just Options -> Audio which has a thing Volume that says it's disabled and a Remote Sound thing |
| 01:12.12 | Flash | I didn't say he didn't deserve it .... |
| 01:12.17 | JeffM_ | did you install the correct SDL dev for your sound system? |
| 01:12.40 | Sgeo | I was unaware of needing to do that |
| 01:12.45 | Sgeo | Am I going to need to recompile? |
| 01:13.03 | JeffM_ | maybe |
| 01:13.15 | JeffM_ | what sound system do you have? |
| 01:13.51 | Sgeo | Not sure, how do I check? |
| 01:13.58 | JeffM_ | no clue |
| 01:14.22 | JeffM_ | your package manager may say what is currently installed |
| 01:15.15 | Sgeo | Some page says that Ubuntu uses ALSA |
| 01:15.30 | Sgeo | Would that be different for different desktops, or not so much? (Since I'm on LXDE) |
| 01:15.34 | blast007 | probably uses pulseaudio on newer distros, though |
| 01:15.41 | JeffM_ | ubuntu can use many |
| 01:15.44 | blast007 | newer versions* |
| 01:16.20 | Sgeo | blast007, oh |
| 01:16.22 | Sgeo | How do I check? |
| 01:16.37 | Sgeo | I installed the stuff README.linux said to install, should I try to recompile? |
| 01:16.58 | Sgeo | goes straight to ./configure this time >.> |
| 01:17.42 | blast007 | aptitude search libsdl1.2debian |
| 01:17.50 | blast007 | which one shows as installed? |
| 01:18.02 | blast007 | (well, or two) |
| 01:18.46 | blast007 | in any case, if you need to figure out your sound system, you could ask on #ubuntu |
| 01:19.02 | JeffM_ | or just install another sdl and try it :) |
| 01:19.55 | Sgeo | I don't feel like installing aptitude |
| 01:19.57 | Sgeo | Or do I have to |
| 01:20.09 | blast007 | then check with whatever program you normally use |
| 01:20.16 | JeffM_ | synaptic may already be installed |
| 01:20.18 | blast007 | I'm on Ubuntu, which comes with it, afaik |
| 01:20.23 | Sgeo | apt-get, but it doesn't have a file search thingy |
| 01:20.34 | JeffM_ | apt-cache search |
| 01:20.50 | blast007 | doesn't show installed state |
| 01:20.58 | JeffM_ | true |
| 01:21.49 | blast007 | dpkg --get-selections | grep libsdl1.2debian |
| 01:21.53 | Sgeo | ALSA |
| 01:22.03 | Sgeo | used synaptic |
| 01:22.07 | blast007 | k |
| 01:22.12 | JeffM_ | is there a pulse audo one? |
| 01:22.15 | blast007 | is pulseaudio installed? |
| 01:22.31 | blast007 | (not referring to the SDL package, but to 'pulseaudio') |
| 01:22.53 | Sgeo | No. |
| 01:23.25 | Sgeo | keeps doing the recompile |
| 01:23.28 | blast007 | what specific distro/version are you using |
| 01:23.33 | Sgeo | Some files are being compiled, some aren't |
| 01:23.37 | Sgeo | Um, Lubuntu something |
| 01:23.51 | blast007 | lsb_release -a |
| 01:24.02 | Sgeo | Lubuntu 11.10 |
| 01:25.01 | blast007 | "Ubuntu 8.04 and higher installs PulseAudio by default and no extra configuration is needed." Dunno if that applies to Lubuntu as well. |
| 01:25.29 | blast007 | so if you don't get sound after the compile finishes, replace libsdl1.2debian-alsa with libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio |
| 01:26.13 | blast007 | (installing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio should remove libsdl1.2debian-alsa) |
| 01:27.24 | Sgeo | Sound did work with the obsolete version that was in the distro btw |
| 01:27.50 | blast007 | it's possible it may not have been an SDL build |
| 01:28.07 | blast007 | I would *think* it was, but I don't play on Ubuntu, so I can't confirm |
| 01:28.33 | JeffM_ | yeah its built with other options IIRC |
| 01:28.45 | JeffM_ | it was baed on tim's old deb |
| 01:30.06 | blast007 | it says it depends on SDL, according to aptitude |
| 01:30.59 | Sgeo | No sound |
| 01:31.03 | blast007 | I haven't actually tried playing the game with sound on an Ubuntu system with a client built from source |
| 01:31.05 | Sgeo | Maybe I should have done the autogen thing? |
| 01:31.08 | Sgeo | Because I didn't |
| 01:31.09 | blast007 | nah |
| 01:31.15 | blast007 | welcome to audio on linux :P |
| 01:31.21 | JeffM_ | that won't change the build |
| 01:31.36 | JeffM_ | yeah linux audio has always been iffy |
| 01:32.12 | JeffM_ | thats what happens when you have a bunch of different competing audio systems |
| 01:32.39 | blast007 | let me see if this ubuntu VM I have has a GUI installed |
| 01:32.56 | JeffM_ | my vm has a gui |
| 01:32.58 | blast007 | indeed it does. an Ubuntu 11.10, even. |
| 01:33.27 | blast007 | gawd... unity... HATE.... |
| 01:33.42 | JeffM_ | yeah, how did they think that it was a good thing to change to? |
| 01:34.09 | JeffM_ | "yeah lets put the minimize/maximize buttons right behind the list of apps.." |
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| 01:35.02 | blast007 | it's like OSX and Windows 8 got drunk at a party, and this is the result |
| 01:35.19 | JeffM_ | and it wasn't the best of ether |
| 01:35.51 | JeffM_ | I want to know how they can say they are trying to make it desktop linux when they change the GUI all the time |
| 01:37.02 | blast007 | I get sound on mine from a trunk build. |
| 01:37.22 | blast007 | Sgeo: install libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio |
| 01:37.33 | blast007 | I have that on mine instead of the alsa one, and I get sound |
| 01:37.44 | Sgeo | Instead? |
| 01:37.44 | Sgeo | :/ |
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| 01:37.59 | blast007 | yeah, tell your package manager to install it |
| 01:38.05 | JeffM_ | have you tried the healing power of payer? |
| 01:38.08 | Sgeo | That will remove the ALSA one |
| 01:38.09 | blast007 | and it sound say it will remove the other one, because they conflict |
| 01:38.13 | blast007 | right ... |
| 01:38.17 | blast007 | you only want one :) |
| 01:38.21 | Sgeo | But won't that hurt other games? |
| 01:38.30 | blast007 | if it does, put the alsa one back |
| 01:38.41 | blast007 | it's not a one way trip |
| 01:39.46 | Sgeo | Just installing it was supposed to fix it? |
| 01:39.50 | Sgeo | Because it didn't |
| 01:40.08 | JeffM_ | we doin't call any audio stuff directly, we ask SDL to do it |
| 01:40.19 | blast007 | then you'll need to talk to the ubuntu people |
| 01:40.22 | JeffM_ | so yeah swaping out SDL tends to just fix it |
| 01:40.39 | Sgeo | sees something on the forums |
| 01:41.07 | blast007 | they have an IRC channel on freenode as well |
| 01:41.46 | Sgeo | Maybe if I make clean and start the autogen thing from scratch.. |
| 01:41.52 | JeffM_ | nope |
| 01:42.00 | JeffM_ | like I said, we do NOT compile any audio code |
| 01:42.06 | JeffM_ | SDL has the audio code |
| 01:42.11 | JeffM_ | we just say "play this sound" |
| 01:42.25 | blast007 | the think you swapped out was a runtime library |
| 01:42.28 | blast007 | thing* |
| 01:42.41 | blast007 | did bzflag say it was going to build with SDL? |
| 01:42.50 | blast007 | src/bzflag/bzflag -version |
| 01:43.01 | blast007 | what does the version show as? |
| 01:43.12 | Sgeo | BZFlag client 2.4.0.20120317-STABLE-linux-gnu |
| 01:43.13 | Sgeo | Hmm |
| 01:43.23 | blast007 | that's your problem |
| 01:43.25 | JeffM_ | did you install sdl dev |
| 01:43.26 | blast007 | it didn't build with SDL |
| 01:43.27 | JeffM_ | yeah that's native |
| 01:43.36 | blast007 | native would use OSS, iirc |
| 01:43.50 | Sgeo | So, recompile from scratch? |
| 01:44.01 | JeffM_ | did you install sdl dev |
| 01:44.03 | JeffM_ | or just sdl? |
| 01:44.10 | Sgeo | I think I did dev |
| 01:44.15 | JeffM_ | think or know? |
| 01:44.20 | Sgeo | After the initial compile, but before the perhaps not thorough recompile |
| 01:44.40 | JeffM_ | oh |
| 01:44.41 | Sgeo | Is there an SDL dev other than libsdl-sound1.2-dev that I need? |
| 01:44.55 | JeffM_ | you installed sdl dev after the compile? |
| 01:45.00 | JeffM_ | after the configure? |
| 01:45.09 | Sgeo | Yes, but then I tried another configure and make after that |
| 01:45.23 | JeffM_ | do a make clean |
| 01:45.29 | JeffM_ | then configure |
| 01:45.41 | JeffM_ | at the end of configure it'll say if it uses SDL or not |
| 01:46.29 | blast007 | configure detects what stuff you have installed and adjusts the build to use it |
| 01:47.41 | Sgeo | Where would it mention SDL? |
| 01:49.35 | JeffM | at the end will be a summary |
| 01:50.01 | Sgeo | I didn't see SDL mentioned either way |
| 01:50.05 | Sgeo | glew was mentioned as yes, iirc |
| 01:50.11 | Sgeo | (I'm already making >.>0 |
| 01:50.12 | Sgeo | ) |
| 01:50.18 | JeffM | why? |
| 01:50.27 | JeffM | you really like to jump ahead don't you? |
| 01:50.33 | JeffM | no sdl == no sound |
| 01:51.07 | Sgeo | tries autogen again |
| 01:51.24 | JeffM | that ain't going to do it |
| 01:51.29 | JeffM | but sure jump around again |
| 01:51.33 | JeffM | did you install , libsdl1.2-dev ? |
| 01:51.38 | JeffM | as the readme says to |
| 01:52.34 | Sgeo | I believe so |
| 01:52.39 | JeffM | know |
| 01:53.07 | Sgeo | Yep |
| 01:53.40 | Sgeo | Configure has noticed SDL.h at least |
| 01:54.08 | JeffM | did it report any errors about SDL? |
| 01:54.48 | JeffM | and where did you get the code? from svn or from the tarbal? |
| 01:55.08 | Sgeo | Ok, now it says with SDL |
| 01:55.17 | JeffM | good |
| 01:55.35 | Sgeo | tarball |
| 01:55.42 | JeffM | you should have used svn |
| 01:55.44 | JeffM | it's newer |
| 02:02.11 | blast007 | and with 0.5% less bugs |
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| 02:15.09 | linuxdude2 | Hey |
| 02:15.15 | Sgeo | Hi |
| 02:15.29 | linuxdude2 | On iPod |
| 02:15.35 | Sgeo | Time to play |
| 02:15.43 | linuxdude2 | What?? |
| 02:16.40 | linuxdude2 | C ya |
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| 02:18.03 | blast007 | lol.. |
| 02:18.48 | blast007 | wonder if linux dude has an OSX or windows system that he uses to run iTunes |
| 02:19.03 | JeffM | his mom's mac |
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| 02:33.07 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzflag_design/main.html :P |
| 02:33.22 | JeffM | nice navbar |
| 02:34.03 | blast007 | could be one of those fancy "stick to the top of the screen when you scroll" kind of bars |
| 02:34.09 | JeffM | you should say "not designed for the internet" |
| 02:34.27 | blast007 | it's kinda a spinoff joke of "Vista Capable" |
| 02:34.36 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:34.43 | JeffM | always has a scrollbar on the bottom |
| 02:34.46 | JeffM | that's kinda odd |
| 02:34.59 | blast007 | probably the navbar |
| 02:35.15 | JeffM | oo even works in leenox |
| 02:36.09 | blast007 | scrollbar issue should be fixed |
| 02:36.18 | JeffM | tis |
| 02:36.32 | blast007 | it had an extra 10px due to padding. width 100% + 5px padding on the left/right |
| 02:36.48 | JeffM | that puts it over 9000!!! |
| 02:36.55 | blast007 | exactly |
| 02:37.14 | blast007 | the border-radius stuff doesn't work great with the slider.. |
| 02:38.28 | khonkhortisan | like I wouldn't figure out how to spell gee ell |
| 02:38.42 | blast007 | but the slideshow thing is pretty flexible: http://ryanflorence.com/slideshow/ |
| 02:38.46 | JeffM | it's the best graphics 1990 could offer! |
| 02:39.13 | JeffM | so if we fill that with screenshots then they will leave the site on the mainpage.. sweet. That's a lot more efficent. |
| 02:39.24 | blast007 | yeah! |
| 02:40.31 | blast007 | or we could just insert graphics from some other game, have a "click here for more" and say that it will be available in BZFlag 4.0, set to be released after the heat death of the universe. |
| 02:40.51 | JeffM | actualy it's on the list for later then that |
| 02:41.03 | JeffM | just after the big bang 2 when time resets |
| 02:41.13 | blast007 | haha, was just going to ask that ;D |
| 02:41.24 | blast007 | our sarcasm is on the same wavelenth |
| 02:42.31 | ts3d | Jeff: Did you mean to remove some "x64|Debug" file confs? |
| 02:42.37 | JeffM | no |
| 02:42.40 | JeffM | did I? |
| 02:42.48 | JeffM | for what project? |
| 02:42.49 | blast007 | but in any case, that site doesn't necessarily have to be for bzflag ;) |
| 02:42.51 | ts3d | Spotted a few |
| 02:43.07 | JeffM | easy enouhg to put back in |
| 02:43.11 | ts3d | They're per file, thought they should jsut inherit the project ones |
| 02:43.21 | JeffM | blast007, but my beautiful totaly secure wordpress site! |
| 02:43.34 | JeffM | yeah I think we can actualy remove ALL the per file ones |
| 02:43.37 | JeffM | they are from VC71 |
| 02:44.37 | ts3d | needs some canvas elements blast :) |
| 02:44.55 | JeffM | why? to make it work less on IE? |
| 02:45.00 | blast007 | so that users can draw some better graphics? |
| 02:45.38 | ts3d | hehe |
| 02:46.16 | JeffM | at least I'm stealing my graphics from a sucsessful project :) |
| 02:46.45 | khonkhortisan | JeffM you let me move the panel down a pixel when the radar was on the right |
| 02:47.07 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, I don't see it having any issues veritcaly |
| 02:47.10 | khonkhortisan | it's fixed now though |
| 02:47.17 | JeffM | well not really |
| 02:47.22 | JeffM | there are scaling issues on different cards |
| 02:47.31 | JeffM | but I don't think that's a problem with the patch |
| 02:47.46 | khonkhortisan | like the message box border being offset? |
| 02:47.56 | khonkhortisan | I get that |
| 02:48.06 | JeffM | yeah on linux and windows the left side has to come in a pixel when in righthand mode |
| 02:48.11 | JeffM | sorry on OSX and windows |
| 02:48.20 | JeffM | on linux the right side is off by 2 pixels.. sometimes |
| 02:48.26 | JeffM | I'm not wooried about it |
| 02:48.38 | JeffM | people are going to pick left or right and leave it |
| 02:48.48 | JeffM | and we'll redo the entire hud drawing to not use lines later |
| 02:49.54 | ts3d | Skinned HUDs would be nice |
| 02:50.13 | JeffM | user configurable hud elements are on the list somewhere |
| 02:50.26 | JeffM | the GUI system I have written reads from XML |
| 02:50.50 | ts3d | XML, not even once |
| 02:51.00 | JeffM | it's easy to serialize |
| 02:51.08 | JeffM | the game would have a gui editor built in |
| 02:51.15 | JeffM | editing files is for babies |
| 02:51.49 | JeffM | probalby also do dynamic scrpting of them with javascript |
| 02:52.18 | blast007 | had to edit his Saints Row The Third config file cuz the Ultra graphics quality crashed on his 512MB card... ;) |
| 02:52.21 | ts3d | javascript? please no ;) |
| 02:52.22 | JeffM | then it'd be extensible like WoW's gui |
| 02:52.27 | khonkhortisan | For separating radar and panel opacities, should making either one opaque resize the panel and make the other one opaque or should they both have to be set as opaque to resize? |
| 02:52.32 | JeffM | a lot of people know javascript |
| 02:52.38 | JeffM | and it's super easy to parse |
| 02:52.53 | JeffM | why do you want to seperate them khonkhortisan ? |
| 02:52.56 | ts3d | if you're gonna use javascript, then use json for the config |
| 02:53.06 | JeffM | that is a possiblity |
| 02:53.45 | khonkhortisan | good question |
| 02:53.50 | JeffM | ts3d, you are proably also assuming too much, my code can never go into bzflag |
| 02:54.52 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, they take up the exact same space in the GUI, so what is good for one should be good for another |
| 02:55.10 | JeffM | the only reason to make it more transpereant is to try and do full screen radar, and we have said for that what we want is more like the map view |
| 02:55.13 | JeffM | not a big radar box |
| 02:58.06 | JeffM | ts3d, if there was a CLI pure version of lua I'd ponder using that |
| 03:02.38 | blast007 | s/CLI/CIL/ ? |
| 03:02.47 | JeffM | no |
| 03:02.53 | JeffM | Common Language Interface |
| 03:03.05 | blast007 | too..many..acronyms.. |
| 03:03.08 | JeffM | that's what managed code compiles down to |
| 03:03.08 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:03.12 | blast007 | CLR, CIL, CLI... |
| 03:03.21 | JeffM | it's the bytecode that the runtime deals with |
| 03:03.51 | blast007 | not sure if this is useful info or not: http://www.jucs.org/jucs_11_7/running_lua_scripts_on/jucs_11_7_1275_1290_mascarenhas.html;internal&action=noaction&Parameter=1304362786766 |
| 03:03.53 | JeffM | the lua cli bindings are mixed mode and have native code in them cus they call the native lib |
| 03:04.17 | JeffM | yeah that would be dangroups |
| 03:04.24 | JeffM | dangerous even |
| 03:04.29 | blast007 | k |
| 03:04.36 | JeffM | you would just be sending the lua to the CLR |
| 03:04.44 | JeffM | not parsing it with your code |
| 03:04.52 | JeffM | so it would be hard to limit what the script could do |
| 03:05.01 | JeffM | the JS impelemntation is totaly managed |
| 03:05.08 | JeffM | so same code for all platforms |
| 03:05.13 | khonkhortisan | Could the Depth Complexity Display Setting be used for cheating? |
| 03:05.13 | JeffM | and we can limit what it can call |
| 03:05.27 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, probably |
| 03:05.39 | JeffM | but it's the same info thats on radar |
| 03:05.43 | JeffM | so it's not very much of a cheat |
| 03:05.55 | blast007 | and it's kinda hard on the eyes |
| 03:06.00 | JeffM | the biggest cheat is the easiest one to implement |
| 03:06.02 | JeffM | change one line |
| 03:06.08 | khonkhortisan | unless you're colorblind |
| 03:06.20 | khonkhortisan | what, invincibility? |
| 03:06.23 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:07.13 | blast007 | http://jint.codeplex.com/ > Lua |
| 03:07.27 | khonkhortisan | that's too easy and too obvious = not worth it |
| 03:07.28 | JeffM | yeah thats what I was going to investigate |
| 03:07.34 | JeffM | it's on the only one as well |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, for you |
| 03:08.10 | khonkhortisan | Well, I wouldn't cheat anyway - so I say |
| 03:08.52 | JeffM | the very fact that clients do hit tests shows how bad the simulation system is |
| 03:16.52 | JeffM | ts3d, what do you dislike about javascript that isn't browser specific? |
| 03:18.11 | ts3d | I don't totatlly hate it. There are just a few quirks with it. |
| 03:18.20 | JeffM | that are not browser specific |
| 03:18.29 | JeffM | most issues with it are the varrying level of browser support |
| 03:18.36 | JeffM | this would not be in a browser |
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| 03:30.53 | JeffM | or just use lolcode, it can go down to CLI |
| 03:31.05 | JeffM | canhas widgets? |
| 03:34.19 | blast007 | :) |
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| 04:42.42 | blast007 | hmm, getting closer to looking like a half-way decent layout: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzflag_design/main.html |
| 04:42.54 | blast007 | still working out what I want as a background for the content area |
| 04:43.11 | blast007 | nav bar is fixed to the top of the screen when you scroll |
| 04:43.26 | JeffM | not bad |
| 04:43.30 | blast007 | and it will be semi-transparent in browsers that don't support RGBA (like IE) |
| 04:43.39 | JeffM | a green tint may make it look like grass instead of bluegray |
| 04:44.03 | JeffM | or a very desaturated brown for dirt |
| 04:44.44 | blast007 | a tint on the navbar background? |
| 04:47.28 | JeffM | no background background |
| 04:47.40 | JeffM | the smoke for the navbar is fine |
| 04:50.37 | blast007 | kinda like that? |
| 04:50.54 | blast007 | is generally terrible with color |
| 04:51.47 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/random_earth_variations.png |
| 04:51.50 | JeffM | the green is too bright |
| 04:51.53 | JeffM | try that |
| 04:51.57 | JeffM | it's more subtule |
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| 04:51.59 | JeffM | the gray isn't bad |
| 04:52.13 | JeffM | just a lot of gray in the entire thing |
| 04:53.24 | blast007 | yeah, that one looks pretty good |
| 04:53.49 | JeffM | yeah it's more subtle |
| 04:54.02 | JeffM | and the content background dosn't blend as much |
| 04:54.11 | JeffM | I like the asphalt look of the content backgorund |
| 04:54.25 | JeffM | black text will never work on it tho |
| 04:54.45 | blast007 | yeah, I hadn't decided if I wanted to use a dark or light background |
| 04:54.57 | blast007 | so I threw on both sets of text as I was testing |
| 04:57.31 | JeffM | you could put the icon in the upper left like the apple menu and have it always take you back home |
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| 06:16.08 | ts3d | Are you guys excited about Ridley Scott's Promethues? |
| 06:22.16 | blast007 | no |
| 06:22.25 | blast007 | looks up what that is |
| 06:22.26 | blast007 | :P |
| 06:24.48 | blast007 | oh yeah, that. looks like it'd be a good movie. |
| 06:26.21 | ts3d | Alien's prequelish |
| 06:26.53 | ts3d | I loved scotts bladerunner |
| 06:27.22 | ts3d | If i could only watch two movies this year, it would be TDKR and Prometheus |
| 06:28.05 | ts3d | They released the trailer today. |
| 06:31.41 | blast007 | Prometheus trailer? |
| 06:33.10 | blast007 | a different one, you mean? because I saw one (the one on imdb) like 2 or 3 weeks ago as a youtube ad. |
| 06:33.55 | blast007 | guess there's a few on imdb now |
| 06:39.45 | ts3d | Yeah, the first full trailer. |
| 06:39.51 | ts3d | The other ones were previews. |
| 06:40.22 | ts3d | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU |
| 06:42.57 | blast007 | yeah, found it |
| 06:43.16 | blast007 | that was much more exciting than their original teaser :) |
| 06:43.32 | blast007 | that'll be one to see in the theater |
| 06:46.58 | ts3d | Time for fourth meal |
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| 09:56.03 | Sgeo | Um |
| 09:56.13 | Sgeo | With labels, at least as an observer, I see the label through the wall |
| 09:56.23 | Sgeo | Is that normal? Is that perhaps too much of an advantage? |
| 09:56.40 | Sgeo | Or does it work differently in-game |
| 10:08.27 | ruskie | observers see it all |
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| 11:31.04 | linuxdude2 | it's compiling....... |
| 11:31.45 | linuxdude2 | how do i run bzflag 2.4 after compiling?? |
| 11:32.13 | linuxdude2 | is it "/usr/games/bzflag"?? |
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| 11:43.35 | linuxdude2 | i have the 2.4 client compiled now everybody, I just have to update the server now |
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| 13:14.57 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://wiki.BZFlag.org/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || Please test SVN trunk for 2.4.2 release so we can have a debian package |
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| 14:07.33 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org |
| 14:34.43 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org |
| 14:35.39 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org |
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| 15:13.20 | blast007 | linuxdude2: you can do that in a private message to the bot. /msg ibot bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org |
| 15:13.32 | blast007 | and that's still a 2.0 server |
| 15:14.22 | blast007 | linuxdude2: you'll want to uninstall the official debian bzflag packages, and then do a 'sudo make install' in your 2.4 source directory |
| 15:14.38 | blast007 | that your 'bzfs' will be the 2.4 version |
| 15:15.14 | blast007 | if you want to run both 2.0 and 2.4, there's a way to do that as well, but requires a bit more work |
| 15:50.06 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org |
| 15:50.17 | linuxdude2 | that's bragging ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:50.19 | linuxdude2 | hehe |
| 15:50.32 | Thumper_ | linuxdude2: please stop spamming this list |
| 15:50.37 | linuxdude2 | sorry |
| 15:50.49 | linuxdude2 | how do i private chat the ibot?? |
| 15:51.21 | Thumper_ | open a private chat with ibot (/msg ibot ...) |
| 15:51.25 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 15:51.26 | linuxdude2 | c ya |
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| 16:00.59 | AAA_awright | SVN is so broken it's laughable, *sigh* |
| 16:03.23 | JeffM | ? |
| 16:04.11 | blast007 | he's just raging against SVN again cuz git is so much better |
| 16:04.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 16:04.25 | JeffM | oh he dosn't mean our code in svn |
| 16:04.29 | JeffM | then whatevz |
| 16:04.40 | blast007 | he's probably trying to update his git clone of our repo |
| 16:04.55 | JeffM | so of course svn is broken |
| 16:06.01 | JeffM | I was curious if it was the makefile stuff that BulletCatcher and tupone were working on |
| 16:06.08 | JeffM | is that still ongoing? |
| 16:06.23 | blast007 | dunno |
| 16:12.17 | AAA_awright | I'm seeing if blast007 will LOL at the same remark in a different channel |
| 16:12.37 | blast007 | ;) |
| 16:13.04 | JeffM | you were talking about the product, not the code we have checked in right AAA_awright ? |
| 16:13.45 | AAA_awright | SVN in general... I mean, SVN's 'tags' which are really branches which are really copies of directories in another location, doesn't make it very easy to analyze code |
| 16:14.07 | JeffM | k, I Just wanted to make sure we didn't have anything broken |
| 16:14.12 | JeffM | yes the tools are different |
| 16:20.24 | blast007 | JeffM: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzflag_design2/main.html Played around more with it. Not sure if I like both icons being there, but of the two, I like the rotated one best. |
| 16:21.28 | blast007 | drop shadows and curved corner work in IE as well, though the drop shadows do kill the performanace a bit in IE. |
| 16:22.28 | BulletCatcher | Agreement has been reached about to use configure/makefile, but hasn't been implemented yet. |
| 16:22.44 | JeffM | blast007, remove the small one on top |
| 16:22.52 | JeffM | the angled one is better |
| 16:22.57 | JeffM | and does what I wanted the top one to do |
| 16:23.59 | JeffM | I am curios how "support" would look if it was right justified on the toolbar |
| 16:24.03 | JeffM | may loook lame |
| 16:24.36 | JeffM | oh and to give you the proper "web design customer" treament |
| 16:24.49 | JeffM | "what is that lorem stuff? that's not the text I want!!!!" |
| 16:25.25 | JeffM | it is a solid design |
| 16:25.35 | JeffM | when finalized I'd slow downt he slideshow a bit |
| 16:26.04 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:31.05 | JeffM | for screeshots we should make bullshots from every single one of loumans maps :) |
| 16:32.01 | blast007 | lol |
| 16:32.09 | JeffM | I'm serious |
| 16:32.57 | blast007 | and spazzy's 2.99.x map ;) |
| 16:33.23 | JeffM | any one that looks good |
| 16:36.58 | blast007 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZuJP93MaI |
| 16:37.33 | JeffM | yeah the space one |
| 16:39.54 | JeffM | none of the screenshots should have box worlds |
| 16:40.09 | blast007 | the 'support' link didn't look as good when right aligned. |
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| 16:40.13 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:40.17 | blast007 | plus, it'd be a bit wierd on a big screen. |
| 16:40.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:40.23 | blast007 | I centered the navbar items instead |
| 16:40.30 | JeffM | ok that may help ballance it |
| 16:40.39 | JeffM | it just looked a tad off kilter |
| 16:41.22 | blast007 | yeah. that change would have been a bit more obvious had I look at it on my other PC. only a 1024x768 screen on this one. ;) |
| 16:42.08 | JeffM | ouch |
| 16:42.48 | blast007 | old thinkpad. but I love it. |
| 16:43.43 | blast007 | works well as a performance target as well since it's only 1.6GHz Pentium M - so if it works here.. it will work well enough on any target user's computers :) |
| 16:45.47 | JeffM | indeed |
| 16:49.02 | blast007 | and would you think the angled icon should take you back to the homepage? |
| 16:50.10 | JeffM | no |
| 16:50.16 | blast007 | k |
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| 17:28.11 | khonkhortisan | JeffM, still here? |
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| 17:34.32 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: better to just ask the actual question so he can answer when he gets back to the keyboard :) |
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| 17:36.26 | khonkhortisan | I separated the radar opacity because feature request 2834683 was accepted |
| 17:40.45 | JeffM | okays |
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| 18:03.04 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, I'm sick of applying your patches |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM | so just commit it yourself |
| 18:14.59 | khonkhortisan | do I need a password or just a username? |
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| 18:18.00 | khonkhortisan | nvm |
| 18:19.13 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03khonkhortisan * r22422 10/trunk/bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Separated radar opacity from message box opacity, allowed by accepted feature request 2834683 and based in part on patch 2961606 |
| 18:19.22 | khonkhortisan | it worked! |
| 18:20.03 | JeffM | you had doubts? :) |
| 18:20.15 | JeffM | just dont' break anything |
| 18:20.24 | JeffM | well anything you arn't willing to fix |
| 18:20.35 | JeffM | it all uses your SF credentials |
| 18:20.37 | khonkhortisan | I always send patches instead of committing |
| 18:20.44 | JeffM | not anymore |
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| 18:21.15 | JeffM | you seem to have a good head on your shoulders and understand the project |
| 18:25.52 | khonkhortisan | I'm not always clear on the direction of the project, so if it's not just a bugfix I'll ask first |
| 18:26.53 | JeffM | yeah that should be fine |
| 18:27.00 | JeffM | it's ok cus nobody else is clear ether ;) |
| 18:27.09 | blast007 | khonkhortisan: dunno if you're familiar with the 'DEVINFO' file or not, but it's worth checking over. |
| 18:27.35 | khonkhortisan | okay I will |
| 18:27.59 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzflag_design2/screenshots.html Not happy with the look of the screenshots thumbnails.. think I need to shrink them a bit more so I have some room to add a border/margins. |
| 18:28.11 | blast007 | but if you click on 'em, it brings up a preview |
| 18:37.07 | JeffM | I'd give them more padding between the items |
| 18:37.14 | JeffM | like 2-3x more |
| 18:37.27 | blast007 | yeah, couldn't with that size, since any more and it only lets two images per line |
| 18:37.47 | JeffM | I'd do 3 per line at a larger size and let the rest scroll down |
| 18:37.54 | JeffM | let me do some maths |
| 18:39.08 | JeffM | if you do the thumbs around 240-250 ish wide then it should allow for 5 or 6 pixels between them at 3 per row |
| 18:39.30 | blast007 | yeah, just did 240 for the images |
| 18:45.20 | blast007 | that look better? |
| 18:45.30 | JeffM | much |
| 18:46.02 | JeffM | but it's not all shiny and "web 2.0"! |
| 18:46.32 | JeffM | cuz serzly, clazzy sitez iz overrated |
| 18:47.21 | blast007 | I'll add a 'beta' to the corner. there, web2.0! |
| 18:54.17 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/beta.png |
| 18:54.18 | JeffM | :) |
| 18:54.35 | blast007 | lol |
| 18:54.41 | JeffM | it's a beta tag |
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| 19:45.53 | linuxdude2 | i'm running 2.4 client now |
| 19:46.04 | linuxdude2 | anyone want to join my server, kick my butt?? |
| 19:46.17 | linuxdude2 | hey a_meteorite!!!!!!!11 |
| 19:51.11 | blast007 | why is your server still 2.0? |
| 19:51.20 | blast007 | or are you running a 2.4 one on another port? |
| 19:51.56 | linuxdude2 | server is still 2.0 |
| 19:52.02 | linuxdude2 | i'm updating it next week |
| 19:52.20 | linuxdude2 | i've teamed up with Zeg9 |
| 19:52.28 | linuxdude2 | he's an admin on my server, with me |
| 19:53.57 | blast007 | k, you said you have a 2.4 client, then you ask someone to join your server, which is 2.0 ... |
| 19:54.12 | blast007 | 2.4 can't connect to 2.0 |
| 20:00.04 | linuxdude2 | i know that |
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| 20:20.41 | JeffM | he uses linux, he's not dumb! |
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| 20:23.36 | blast007 | and he maintained gnome |
| 20:24.17 | JeffM | watch he just wants to play someone to show off his cheats |
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| 21:20.44 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 4bb3ea07d9c8 r2 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add a credits page. |
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| 21:44.37 | CIA-104 | bzflag_main_website: 03Scott Wichser <blast007@users.sourceforge.net> * 36184b14f51e r3 10/config/autoloader.php: Get rid of CLASS_DIR and MODEL_DIR from the autoloader search paths until they actually exist. |
| 21:54.33 | blast007 | source: https://bitbucket.org/blast007/bzflag_main_website/overview demo: http://bzflag.porteighty.org/ |
| 21:56.24 | L4m3r | love the sales pitch |
| 22:05.35 | khonkhortisan | it has a very small download |
| 22:06.46 | blast007 | :P |
| 22:08.36 | L4m3r | blast007: you should list apartments on Craigslist with salesmanship like that! |
| 22:08.44 | L4m3r | :P |
| 22:09.06 | blast007 | "Has new carpet (and less flood waters!!!!!1)" |
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| 23:36.50 | trepan | blast007: could the little tank icon drive around the screen? :) |
| 23:41.04 | blast007 | sure ;) |
