| 00:00.41 | BulletCatcher | If you have added your custom plugin directory to the plugins/Makefile.am file it will descend into it and do a maintainer-clean there too, but as you found it shouldn't delete the whole subdirectory. |
| 00:01.50 | blast007 | ts3d: gonna take a look at that quick. just grabbing the source here quick. |
| 00:01.54 | BulletCatcher | maintainer-clean has a broad but limited list of files it will delete. It ignores everything else. |
| 00:04.12 | ts3d | just a matter of delete that one character before "Filter" |
| 00:04.23 | ts3d | deleting* |
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| 00:14.14 | ts3d | woop woop |
| 00:34.24 | Flash | BulletCatcher: what is the main thing that autogen creates? configure? |
| 00:48.08 | blast007 | Flash: it also creates the Makefile.in files, and probably some other stuff.. maybe m4 files? |
| 00:48.45 | Flash | ok... I think for my purposes a simple list of dependencies and targets will do. |
| 00:49.06 | Flash | I'm going to assume that autogen.sh creates configure, and that configure creates Makefile |
| 00:49.21 | Flash | when running make, it knows how to re-run configure if necessary |
| 00:52.13 | ts3d | I think GLEW_STATIC might need to be defined atleast on windows to fix some inconsistent dll linkage warnings |
| 00:54.12 | ts3d | make doesn't rerun configure |
| 00:54.25 | Flash | it does if it needs to |
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| 01:07.00 | ts3d | adding the defines to the bzflag project defines suppresses the warnings |
| 01:09.29 | ts3d | http://glew.sourceforge.net/install.html |
| 01:09.42 | ts3d | the glew folks seem to say the same |
| 01:21.46 | Flash | Is there a GCC pragma to disable -Werror for a specific file or code block? |
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| 01:30.40 | ts3d | Flash: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Diagnostic-Pragmas.html |
| 01:32.05 | ts3d | So something this '#pragma GCC diagnostic ignored "-Werror" |
| 01:32.30 | ts3d | and then change it back after the code section with |
| 01:32.45 | ts3d | #pragma GCC diagnostic error "-Werror" |
| 01:33.58 | Flash | Thanks. I'm leaning towards a more global change. I'm getting warnings in my platform/MacOSX/SDLMain.m compilation that are being interpreted as errors. I know I must have done something locally in the past to get around that, but BulletCatcher's maintainer-clean must have blown that away |
| 01:34.09 | Flash | I know there are SDL issues with Mac |
| 01:39.43 | ts3d | Why not just fix the warnings? |
| 01:53.35 | khonkhortisan | yay me I found dead code if (0){ |
| 01:54.30 | ts3d | There are lots of those.. |
| 01:54.33 | ts3d | hehe |
| 01:56.46 | ts3d | Where;d you find it? |
| 01:57.36 | khonkhortisan | RadarRenderer.cxx:295 where I think you were looking at earlier |
| 01:58.13 | ts3d | Is the code drawing 4 points? |
| 01:58.44 | khonkhortisan | it's using a line loop instead of using points |
| 02:01.03 | ts3d | It was probably used to position the line loops |
| 02:03.14 | khonkhortisan | "// some engines miss the corners" - that would include mine |
| 02:07.15 | ts3d | right |
| 02:08.32 | khonkhortisan | uh oh My joystick is spinning my tank in a circle and if I change panel opacity my turn radius changes and I hit into the wall |
| 02:10.33 | khonkhortisan | ...and now I can't get it to do that again |
| 02:11.44 | blast007 | it's not bugs! it's random features! |
| 02:12.01 | ts3d | hehe |
| 02:12.14 | ts3d | so blast, what do you think abotu defined GLEW_STATIC |
| 02:12.30 | khonkhortisan | That's what I'm starting to find out |
| 02:12.32 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 02:12.50 | ts3d | :/ |
| 02:13.28 | ts3d | glew folks say to define it + it blasts away thousands of warnings, so 2 points for it :) |
| 02:15.49 | ts3d | all access to glew is through bzflg.h correct? |
| 02:15.59 | ts3d | bzfgl.h* |
| 02:22.38 | khonkhortisan | I got it to change the turn speed again, don't have the hang of it yet. I think it's just resetting the speed from half to max so not a cheat |
| 02:24.22 | khonkhortisan | ...yet |
| 02:24.29 | BulletCatcher | Defining GLEW_STATIC doesn't make the warnings go away for us. |
| 02:24.51 | ts3d | Where are you defining it. I tried it in a few places |
| 02:25.23 | BulletCatcher | I added -DGLEW_STATIC to the command that compiles glew.c . |
| 02:26.11 | ts3d | because thats still inconsisent across all usage of glew |
| 02:27.28 | BulletCatcher | The warnings only occur when compiling glew.c, so I'm not sure how changes elsewhere would affect that. |
| 02:27.43 | ts3d | imo, it should either be defined in each project file that uses glew, or through an ifdef _WIN32 in bzfgl.h |
| 02:28.40 | BulletCatcher | I'm trying to fix it on Mac OS X, where those project files are not used. |
| 02:29.09 | ts3d | This affects windows only |
| 02:29.23 | ts3d | Whoops, vnm. Read that wrong. |
| 02:29.27 | ts3d | bvm |
| 02:29.28 | ts3d | nvm |
| 02:29.43 | BulletCatcher | never minds the spelling |
| 02:29.49 | khonkhortisan | funny, I remembered W was for turning off the message box, and I was looking all over for the button to turn off radar. I use dvorak, so it wasn't right next to it |
| 02:31.36 | ts3d | BC: i'm still testing, compile are longs |
| 02:32.20 | trepan | ~bzgit |
| 02:32.52 | ts3d | ? |
| 02:36.51 | khonkhortisan | Can I "make -j2" and still have it be synchronous so I can read errors? |
| 02:37.37 | BulletCatcher | It correctly interleaves the output, AFAIK. |
| 02:38.02 | khonkhortisan | oh. I wonder where I got that idea |
| 02:38.38 | BulletCatcher | Or first do "make -k -j2" to let it do all of the successes, then just "make" for error analysis. |
| 02:44.37 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22418 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: Don't use -pedantic when compiling C programs on the Mac to avoid trouble with glew.c pointer conversions. |
| 02:44.58 | BulletCatcher | That should fix the GLEW warnings on the Mac, Flash. |
| 02:45.19 | BulletCatcher | The previous note about "make maintainer-clean" applies here too. |
| 03:08.05 | khonkhortisan | is it a problem that the case MsgHandicap at playing.cxx:2625 is missing a break? |
| 03:10.35 | ts3d | Good catch |
| 03:11.38 | khonkhortisan | that's what an ide is for |
| 03:13.25 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:15.15 | khonkhortisan | My score is -16773, I have killed 511 and been killed -17284 and done -944 teamkills |
| 03:15.36 | BulletCatcher | It is definitely a bug. |
| 03:16.52 | BulletCatcher | The handicap feature is not used much, so I am not surprised that it went unnoticed until now. |
| 03:17.48 | ts3d | BC settings the define on just glew.c would has the last impact on anything else and gets rid of the warnings. thats would i would suggest for now |
| 03:17.52 | ts3d | setting* |
| 03:18.00 | ts3d | have* |
| 03:18.48 | ts3d | the warnings are like 95% of compiler message output |
| 03:18.51 | BulletCatcher | Almost all of our code is C++ rather than C, so r22418 is good enough. |
| 03:20.22 | ts3d | That's for mac/linux only |
| 03:20.42 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. You or someone else will have to find a solution for Windows. |
| 03:20.55 | ts3d | My suggestion is above |
| 03:21.08 | BulletCatcher | Can you provide a patch? |
| 03:21.46 | ts3d | in a bit |
| 03:25.00 | khonkhortisan | What about me? Should I provide a patch for the break? |
| 03:25.47 | BulletCatcher | Not necessary, but give me time to confirm that my change compiles. |
| 03:25.51 | BulletCatcher | Thanks for finding that. |
| 03:26.25 | khonkhortisan | yw |
| 03:32.27 | Flash | BulletCatcher: they aren't GLEW, they are SDL |
| 03:34.34 | BulletCatcher | Ah, I still don't have SDL installed on my Mac so I don't see that. |
| 03:36.54 | McSpider | Flash: what are the errors, or are there lots? |
| 03:37.46 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/2128976 |
| 03:38.03 | Flash | they are benign warnings, but -Werror doesn't tolerate them |
| 03:38.26 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22419 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 03:38.26 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: Don't fall through from MsgHandicap to MsgScore handling. |
| 03:38.26 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: Thanks to khonkhortisan. |
| 03:38.28 | Flash | BulletCatcher: I thought SDL was a requirement... |
| 03:38.58 | BulletCatcher | It works better with SDL and adequately without it. |
| 03:39.02 | Flash | BulletCatcher: are you sure? It is legal to drop through from one case to another |
| 03:39.25 | Flash | although probably not here |
| 03:39.31 | BulletCatcher | It is a bad idea in this case (pun intended). |
| 03:40.52 | khonkhortisan | yeah the scoring goes loopy |
| 04:03.47 | BulletCatcher | Huh, I have already found a use for putting the radar on the right. |
| 04:03.50 | BulletCatcher | It works better with my desktop layout when I am observing. |
| 04:04.16 | Flash | I can't play it... too much muscle-memory ingrained in the left-hand (no message box) layout |
| 04:04.51 | BulletCatcher | Yeah, I wouldn't want to play with it that way. |
| 04:05.30 | BulletCatcher | But that is just because of years of experience with it on the left. |
| 04:06.25 | Flash | is it just me, or is Chrome sucking wind today? Too busy sending all my browsing history back to Google? |
| 04:07.00 | BulletCatcher | Firefox is behaving normally. |
| 04:07.34 | Flash | Safari is zippy ... must be time to change default browser again |
| 04:08.05 | BulletCatcher | Back to Mosaic. ;-) |
| 04:08.23 | khonkhortisan | it also puts the message box text on the edge of the screen instead of near the middle |
| 04:09.39 | khonkhortisan | wow that looks old |
| 04:10.08 | BulletCatcher | Mosaic? It was the first graphical browser. |
| 04:11.03 | khonkhortisan | I've never heard of it despite its historical significance |
| 04:11.17 | Flash | it may be older than you :P |
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| 04:40.02 | khonkhortisan | I'm stuck. I can add a radaropacity gui option, I can store it in the config, I can make it affect the radar opacity, but the moment I touch SceneRenderer::setPanelOpacity it starts crashing |
| 04:40.24 | Flash | use the debugger |
| 04:54.49 | Flash | khonkhortisan: the simplest way to track down a crash is to run the program in the debugger and let it crash. The debugger will tell you where it died and why, which is usually a good clue to what you did wrong |
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| 05:10.48 | Flash | Let me know when ts3d can stay around |
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| 05:11.31 | Flash | ts3d: cc1obj: warnings being treated as errors |
| 05:11.31 | Flash | SDLMain.m:8: warning: ignoring #pragma GCC diagnostic |
| 05:13.44 | ts3d | I don't know about that :/ |
| 05:14.59 | ts3d | Is there a specific warniing you're trying to suppress? |
| 05:15.23 | ts3d | I had a feeling that the pragma wouldn't play nice with -Werror |
| 05:15.37 | ts3d | I think with should work with a specific warning |
| 05:15.43 | Flash | actually, it says that's exactly what it is for |
| 05:15.47 | Flash | see http://flash.pastebin.ca/2128976 |
| 05:16.21 | Flash | I tried a specific pragma for -Wunused-variable |
| 05:17.35 | Flash | BulletCatcher: I tried to set some SDL-specific compilation arguments and failed |
| 05:17.43 | Flash | if you are here, I could use some education |
| 05:19.17 | BulletCatcher | looks at the pastebin |
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| 05:19.40 | Flash | the question is how to have unique compilation rules for a specific directory |
| 05:19.55 | Flash | specifically, platform/MacOSX |
| 05:20.46 | Flash | In the Makefile.am, I see this line: AM_CPPFLAGS = -I$(top_srcdir)/src/platform $(SDL_CFLAGS) |
| 05:20.47 | BulletCatcher | You can do that in Makefile.am, but I am not sure how easy it is to remove options. |
| 05:21.08 | Flash | so I tried to set SDL_CFLAGS in m4/sdl.m4 |
| 05:21.14 | Flash | but it seems to have no effect |
| 05:22.32 | ts3d | is -Werror on by default on mac? |
| 05:22.42 | Flash | apparently |
| 05:22.44 | BulletCatcher | You have to re-run configure to get m4 changes to take effect. |
| 05:22.52 | Flash | yes, it was re-running |
| 05:23.17 | Flash | actually, that's one of the things that make detects... it will run configure for you if you change an m4 file |
| 05:25.03 | ts3d | I woudl suggest a macro like UNUSED() on windows |
| 05:25.04 | BulletCatcher | Did your change get into Makefile? |
| 05:25.47 | Flash | I am just running configure now... apparently changing Makefile.am is NOT one of the changes it detects |
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| 05:26.38 | BulletCatcher | "make Makefile" usually works for me when I expect it to. |
| 05:27.01 | Flash | I suppose it would... what I'm REALLY playing with is a more usable XCode project |
| 05:27.53 | Flash | well, my change got put in, but not in a useful place |
| 05:27.54 | Flash | /bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --tag=CC --silent --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../include -I../../../src/platform -Wno-error -I../../../src/other/glew/include -g -O2 -pipe -Wno-long-long -fno-exceptions -W -Wall -Wundef -Wno-import -Werror -g -O0 -c -o SDLMain.lo `test -f 'SDLMain.m' || echo './'`SDLMain.m |
| 05:28.08 | Flash | note that -Wno-error is BEFORE -Werror |
| 05:28.13 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. |
| 05:29.19 | BulletCatcher | With the current configure.ac, CXXFLAGS is last in the list and will override anything else. |
| 05:29.46 | Flash | the objective-C is actually a CC (not CXX) compilation |
| 05:30.00 | BulletCatcher | Hm. |
| 05:31.26 | Flash | am I barking up the wrong tree, trying to modify sdl.m4? |
| 05:31.42 | Flash | how do the m4 files play into the configuration? |
| 05:32.02 | BulletCatcher | In this case, changing sdl.m4 won't help. |
| 05:32.58 | BulletCatcher | We need to find a way to put something after CFLAGS, which is currently last in the list. |
| 05:33.13 | Flash | I am trying modifying the compile command explicitly |
| 05:33.15 | BulletCatcher | Or else replace CFLAGS. That might be easier. |
| 05:33.42 | ts3d | Just turn off -Werror on mac throughout |
| 05:34.31 | Flash | that's rarely a good solution to a specific problem |
| 05:34.32 | BulletCatcher | The way we currently do it is enable -Werror when --enable-debug is used. |
| 05:34.46 | Flash | people should not be encouraged to allow warnings |
| 05:35.03 | ts3d | Ah |
| 05:35.40 | BulletCatcher | Is fixing the warnings too hard? |
| 05:35.46 | ts3d | No |
| 05:35.53 | ts3d | from what I saw in the paste |
| 05:35.59 | Flash | BTW, I tried "make Makefile" and it failed |
| 05:36.20 | Flash | I'm not versant in Objective-C, so I'm not 100% sure |
| 05:36.29 | Flash | I'm not sure about the unused parameter one |
| 05:36.51 | ts3d | that one you jsut have to refence the varible in some way |
| 05:37.02 | ts3d | windows has an UNUSED macro |
| 05:37.11 | Flash | I understand the error; not how to resolve it in Objective-C |
| 05:38.38 | Flash | this is odd... the compile rule in the Makefile doesn't match the one in Makefile.am |
| 05:38.38 | ts3d | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/285591/using-the-gcc-unused-attribute-with-objective-c |
| 05:38.49 | ts3d | use gcc attributes |
| 05:39.22 | BulletCatcher | Try this: in Makefile.am after the AM_CPPFLAGS line, add "CFLAGS = -g" between "if DEBUG" and "endif" (see example at top of file). |
| 05:39.57 | BulletCatcher | If that works, then we can override the configure CFLAGS setting for just this directory in debug mode. |
| 05:40.43 | BulletCatcher | You should get 2 "CFLAGS =" lines in Makefile, with yours being the second and superseding the first. |
| 05:42.44 | ts3d | For the glew warnings, I would give you a patch but I don't use svn and so can't give you a svn format patch. |
| 05:42.48 | BulletCatcher | Actually, put that inside the "if HAVE_SDL" block. |
| 05:43.00 | Flash | ok, because it didn't work |
| 05:43.03 | ts3d | but the change is only one line |
| 05:43.39 | BulletCatcher | It is okay to paste one or two lines here. |
| 05:44.00 | ts3d | depends on your client |
| 05:44.03 | Flash | by the way, __unused didn't work |
| 05:44.37 | ts3d | There are some other suggestion in the link |
| 05:45.22 | ts3d | bc: MSVC\build\bzflag.vcproj:59 changed to PreprocessorDefinitions="_WINDOWS;WIN32;_DEBUG;GLEW_STATIC" |
| 05:45.46 | ts3d | that is all thats needed for the glew warning spam |
| 05:47.21 | BulletCatcher | blast007: Can you test ts3d's change two lines up? |
| 05:48.15 | BulletCatcher | We'll get a Windows developer to confirm that it works, and commit it if so. Thanks, ts3d. |
| 05:49.19 | ts3d | OK :) |
| 05:53.11 | Flash | Hmmm. I just noticed an automake error/warning... http://flash.pastebin.ca/2128999 |
| 05:53.27 | Flash | My changes to the Makefile.am file don't seen to matter |
| 05:54.41 | BulletCatcher | You may have to do a "make maintainer-clean" to fix that automake error. |
| 05:55.33 | BulletCatcher | Do you get 2 "CFLAGS =" lines in your Makefile? |
| 05:55.42 | Flash | no |
| 05:55.55 | Flash | I'm recovering from maintainer-clean just now |
| 05:56.05 | BulletCatcher | ok |
| 05:56.26 | BulletCatcher | That may also help with getting my suggestion to work. |
| 05:56.38 | Flash | does --enable-shared have any value for Mac now? |
| 05:56.51 | BulletCatcher | It has no value on any system. |
| 05:56.59 | BulletCatcher | configure ignores it. |
| 05:57.20 | Flash | well, you did SOMETHING: |
| 05:57.24 | Flash | Preparing build ... src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am:10: DEBUG does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL |
| 05:57.27 | Flash | src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am:11: CFLAGS was already defined in condition TRUE, which includes condition DEBUG and HAVE_SDL ... |
| 05:57.31 | Flash | configure.ac:209: ... `CFLAGS' previously defined here |
| 05:57.33 | Flash | ERROR: automake failed |
| 05:58.02 | BulletCatcher | Bleh. So much for that idea. |
| 06:00.19 | Flash | but it's highly likely that my changes to Makefile.am were not being processed |
| 06:01.59 | Flash | I need to get me a new 10-core box ... |
| 06:03.51 | BulletCatcher | If you just want debug symbols in your binary, a regular build ought to include -g now. |
| 06:04.16 | Flash | I don't know if that is a good general rule |
| 06:04.34 | ts3d | BC: the ogl project also needs the GLEW_STATIC define since it calls glewInit |
| 06:04.51 | ts3d | that gets rid of two more link time warnings |
| 06:05.18 | Flash | ok, looks like my Makefile.am change took |
| 06:06.07 | Flash | that encourages me to bark up the sdl.m4 tree again |
| 06:06.35 | BulletCatcher | ~muzzle Flash |
| 06:06.35 | ibot | ACTION puts a muzzle on Flash so that Flash can't bark, much less bite |
| 06:07.28 | ts3d | :) |
| 06:07.44 | ts3d | what's ~bzgit |
| 06:07.52 | ts3d | trepan used it earlier |
| 06:08.24 | BulletCatcher | I think he was looking for the git equivalent of: |
| 06:08.27 | BulletCatcher | ~bzsvn |
| 06:08.28 | ibot | from memory, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 06:08.40 | BulletCatcher | But there isn't one that ibot knows about. |
| 06:10.12 | ts3d | I saw you |
| 06:10.19 | ts3d | have a bzflag mirror on github |
| 06:11.13 | a_meteorite | http://git.bzfx.net/bzflag.git |
| 06:11.23 | a_meteorite | it's out of date now though, I can see about getting it updated |
| 06:11.44 | a_meteorite | I recall the svn->git stuff was painful |
| 06:11.58 | ts3d | How so? |
| 06:12.07 | a_meteorite | Have to ask AAA_awright |
| 06:12.20 | a_meteorite | I think it was just getting the branches and tags right |
| 06:12.28 | a_meteorite | He's the git man |
| 06:15.55 | a_meteorite | with that... AAA_awright: update bzflag git mirror please? |
| 06:16.23 | a_meteorite | we used to have it on a cron |
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| 06:18.19 | ts3d | bzjs sounds interesting, but theres no code |
| 06:19.57 | a_meteorite | ah, yes... |
| 06:20.22 | a_meteorite | I started work on it and then got sidetracked. I'd honestly love to work on it more, fix a lot of bzfs issues and make scripting a TON easier. |
| 06:21.05 | a_meteorite | I got to the point where you could almost join, I think, sending flags and such |
| 06:21.18 | a_meteorite | Then wanted to kill myself when reverse engineering sending the map |
| 06:21.32 | a_meteorite | Was thinking of only supporting a bzfs generated world cache and going that route |
| 06:21.44 | a_meteorite | But I really needed to parse the world anyways to do more stuff |
| 06:22.28 | Flash | BulletCatcher: would you like to test my SDLmain.m changes, or shall i live on the edge ... "works on my machine" ... ? |
| 06:22.49 | a_meteorite | maybe when I get more time |
| 06:24.02 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/2129005 |
| 06:24.21 | Flash | I ended up quelling all the warnings |
| 06:24.56 | Flash | oh... looks like I also changed the compile command.... let me try undoing that and see what happens |
| 06:32.03 | BulletCatcher | I don't have SDL, remember, so I can't test your changes. |
| 06:32.12 | BulletCatcher | Maybe Constitution can find the time. |
| 06:36.31 | Flash | is there an SDLMain.m file anywhere in your src/platform tree? |
| 06:39.00 | BulletCatcher | Yes, it is in svn as src/platform/MacOSX/SDLMain.m . |
| 06:39.32 | Flash | I'm trying to understand the purpose of this line: $(LTCOMPILE) -c -o $@ `test -f 'SDLMain.m' || echo '$(srcdir)/'`SDLMain.m |
| 06:39.59 | Flash | seems like there is always an SDLMain.m and there isn't one elsewhere |
| 06:40.42 | Flash | there's a bug in that make directory that doesn't detect changes in SDLMain.m (or probably SDLMain.h either) |
| 06:41.39 | BulletCatcher | Automake may not know about .m file dependencies. |
| 06:41.44 | Flash | I wonder if that target should be inside the "if HAVE_SDL" tag |
| 06:42.13 | BulletCatcher | If that is the case, we would have to add something like "SDLMain.o: SDLMain.m" to Makefile.am . |
| 06:43.17 | Flash | there isn't a separate SDLMain.o target; SDMain.lo is compiled directly from SDLMain.m |
| 06:43.32 | Flash | I think just adding it as a dependency on SDLMain.lo should work |
| 06:43.52 | BulletCatcher | Try it. |
| 06:43.54 | Flash | but do you agree that it should be inside the "if HAVE_SDL" block? |
| 06:44.18 | BulletCatcher | That seems reasonable. |
| 06:44.54 | BulletCatcher | SDLMain.m is under EXTRA_DIST, so nothing will depend upon it. |
| 06:45.44 | Flash | my XCode project is failing spectacularly |
| 06:45.55 | BulletCatcher | It may belong in the first libMac_la_SOURCES list. |
| 06:46.15 | Flash | the original project starts at autogen every time |
| 06:46.36 | Flash | a single script does autogen.sh && configure && make |
| 06:46.57 | BulletCatcher | Starting with autogen.sh without first doing "make maintainer-clean" isn't reliable. |
| 06:47.08 | Flash | I tried to break it up, so autogen/configure aren't always run; now they are never run (except from a very clean distribution) |
| 06:47.35 | Flash | I'm not sure I can get the make script to run without listing ALL the source files .... (facepalm) |
| 06:59.41 | ts3d | autotools sounds so confusing just hearing you two go back and forth :) |
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| 07:03.50 | BulletCatcher | The GNU autotools are a relic from a time when there were dozens of different flavors of unix operating systems, and people wanted to write software that would run on any of them. |
| 07:04.16 | BulletCatcher | The POSIX standards have helped eliminate most of those differences. |
| 07:04.22 | ts3d | I've written make files but not .in or .ac |
| 07:07.49 | BulletCatcher | Enjoy your lack of experience in that as long as you can. :-) |
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| 07:47.08 | L4m3r | calling bz_PlayerJoinPartEventData_V1->record->hasPerm in a part event seems to segfault bzfs |
| 07:47.13 | L4m3r | not that I'm surprised :P |
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| 12:33.00 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: You know I have all the map-sending stuff documented |
| 12:33.33 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/specs/bzproto.0026.html That's the old 0026 but it should largely be the same |
| 12:33.49 | AAA_awright | If in doubt, I have a PHP implementation that does work |
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| 13:31.14 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 13:31.24 | linuxdude2 | kool |
| 13:31.28 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery |
| 13:31.42 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org |
| 13:37.46 | linuxdude2 | http://linuxdude.no-ip.org/apache/upload/DiRT-3.jpg |
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| 13:59.10 | AAA_awright | The thing that bugs me most about the SVN isn't even the tags-that-are-really-branches, but that everyone throws multiple changes into the same commit and bullet lists them with * even if there's only one change |
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| 14:05.09 | linuxdude2 | c ya ppl |
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| 14:22.52 | BulletCatcher | AAA_awright: The choice of version control system has little effect on the scope of a commit a developer chooses to make. |
| 14:26.34 | AAA_awright | BulletCatcher: Leave it to culture or whatever, it's something I only see associated with SVN... SVN itself is probably somewhat to blame because it's hard to make small commits or merges of any size |
| 14:28.03 | BulletCatcher | I haven't tried to merge with git, but for me the mental effort of a commit is the same in bot git and Subversion. |
| 14:28.16 | BulletCatcher | s/bot/both/ |
| 14:31.04 | BulletCatcher | Quite honestly, I do *not* usually want to document the sometimes convoluted path I may take to a solution to a particular problem. |
| 14:31.54 | BulletCatcher | You are correct that it is a cultural issue. |
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| 15:49.40 | Tupone | BulletCatcher: now it does not compile here, with the commit 22416 . Why you did that? Everything I did was on purpose :( |
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| 16:52.36 | BulletCatcher | Tupone: What errors do you have now? |
| 16:53.14 | Tupone | It does not build out of source |
| 16:53.21 | Tupone | tre |
| 16:53.22 | Tupone | e |
| 16:53.41 | Tupone | like when you do make distcheck |
| 16:54.20 | Tupone | and now you cannot override CXXFLAGS without removing mandatory flags |
| 16:54.37 | Tupone | you could do it during make and or configure |
| 16:55.20 | Tupone | I thing you should revert your change except the things specific to Mac |
| 16:55.55 | BulletCatcher | I think we need to find a solution that will work for everyone. |
| 16:56.17 | BulletCatcher | Your change affected more than just the Mac. |
| 16:57.02 | Tupone | I will try to refix the build out of the tree now. |
| 16:57.16 | BulletCatcher | Can you give me an example of how you want to override CXXFLAGS? |
| 16:57.32 | Tupone | make CXXFLAGS="-g -O2" |
| 16:58.12 | Tupone | or ./configure CXXFLAGS="'g -march=native" |
| 17:00.23 | BulletCatcher | "make distcheck" fails for me, too. I'll take a look at it. |
| 17:01.16 | BulletCatcher | I think CXXFLAGS specifications during configure should work. I'll test to be sure. |
| 17:01.41 | BulletCatcher | "work" as in be added to the other compile options we set. |
| 17:04.40 | Tupone | Well, if there is something mandatory on CXXFLAGS for some directory or architecture you should not allow it to override with some generic setting like -g -O2 .... |
| 17:05.22 | Tupone | So in my idea what is not optional should be put on AM_CXXFLAGS, what is optional in CXXFLAGS and possibly overriden |
| 17:05.47 | Tupone | maybe there is a better idea out of here |
| 17:06.16 | Tupone | I don't know for instance if -fsigned-char is overridable :/ |
| 17:11.23 | BulletCatcher | I see your point about putting mandatory options, like the -I ones, in the AM_*FLAGS variables in makefiles. |
| 17:12.31 | BulletCatcher | Do you want to be able to override *all* of the other compile options at configure or make time with C*FLAGS=... settings? |
| 17:14.38 | BulletCatcher | If you do 'make CXXFLAGS="-g -O2"' should all of the other options set in configure, such as -Wall, be overridden? |
| 17:21.31 | Tupone | yes |
| 17:22.00 | Tupone | everithing except what stop bzflag to work |
| 17:22.09 | Tupone | every* |
| 17:22.58 | Tupone | well, -Wall is not dangerous and does not change anything, but -pg -g .... |
| 17:23.56 | Tupone | you know, you could have a standard set of CXXFLAGS with which you compile everything in your system, but all should work |
| 17:29.09 | BulletCatcher | Just to be sure I understand, do you want './configure --enable-profiling CXXFLAGS="-march=native"' to preserve '-g -pg' and override -Wall and others with -march=native ? |
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| 17:30.08 | BulletCatcher | I think I can do that just by moving '-g -pg' to CPPFLAGS. |
| 17:30.36 | Tupone | well -g -pg belongs to CXXFLAGS and CFLAGS |
| 17:31.08 | Tupone | but I don't mind about enabling profile. If someone want to enable it via configure -pg should be there |
| 17:31.23 | Tupone | and should be not overriden |
| 17:31.43 | Tupone | the same is for debug |
| 17:32.41 | Tupone | but if no-one specify --enable-xx in the configure you should let the user, even at make time, to ovverride the flags |
| 17:33.06 | Tupone | If some flags is really needed , you should put on AM_**FLAGS |
| 17:36.06 | JeffM | did apple break somethign again? |
| 17:36.37 | BulletCatcher | No, this is somthing Tupone and I have done to ourselves. |
| 17:36.42 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:36.50 | JeffM | was it trying to solve a problem? |
| 17:37.23 | BulletCatcher | Yes, but neither of us seem to have a full understanding of all of the requirements. |
| 17:37.30 | BulletCatcher | We're working on that now. |
| 17:37.36 | JeffM | fun |
| 17:37.51 | Tupone | how far is a release? |
| 17:37.55 | JeffM | HAHAHAHA |
| 17:37.57 | JeffM | N |
| 17:37.58 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:38.05 | BulletCatcher | As far as we want it to be. |
| 17:38.10 | JeffM | I wanted it several weeks ago, but it does not seem to be happening |
| 17:38.21 | JeffM | I guess we can wait a year for a debian package |
| 17:39.23 | BulletCatcher | We still have no reason to release as long as Debian is no ready to do their package. |
| 17:39.32 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:39.39 | JeffM | that makes it more sad |
| 17:39.50 | JeffM | on several levels |
| 17:40.02 | BulletCatcher | Well, we are in fact doing development right now. |
| 17:40.07 | JeffM | I know |
| 17:40.10 | JeffM | and good for that |
| 17:40.16 | JeffM | the sadness comes from other places |
| 17:40.28 | JeffM | I always knew you and tupone would be the last ones developing :) |
| 17:42.04 | JeffM | most of the sadness comes from the fact that several months ago several people were all fired up about getting a debian package, and insisted on still being a part of it, and have not done squat ;) |
| 17:46.33 | BulletCatcher | Maybe they would be more motivated if we were to double their salary. ;-) |
| 17:49.28 | JeffM | probably |
| 17:49.46 | JeffM | tho one of them I know seems plenty motivated for another project |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM | but given how debian releases I can see how it's users are used to having a delay for game things |
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| 18:17.11 | BulletCatcher | Tupone: http://pastebin.com/4reVc6vQ has my proposal for managing compiler options. |
| 18:17.12 | BulletCatcher | Your comments would be appreciated. |
| 19:06.16 | Flash | BulletCatcher: what I've done on other makefiles is to have a "DEBUG_FLAGS" macro which is where I put -g, -pg, -O etc. |
| 19:06.39 | Flash | -Wall |
| 19:07.27 | Flash | then define CFLAGS to include DEBUG_FLAGS |
| 19:08.31 | Flash | -I options belong in CPPFLAGS (only) |
| 19:10.00 | Flash | I agree with your first paragraph... the rest is not quite clear |
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| 19:23.11 | Flash | Now that I look into the compiler options, why in the world do we have -fno-execptions ? |
| 19:23.26 | BulletCatcher | No clue. |
| 19:24.13 | BulletCatcher | DEFAULT_INCLUDES is automatically populated. It looks like INCLUDES is the proper variable for other -I options. |
| 19:25.29 | BulletCatcher | So we could add 'INCLUDES = $(CONF_INCLUDES)' to Makefile.am as needed for curl and such. |
| 19:28.28 | BulletCatcher | Flash, do you put $(DEBUG_FLAGS) to the left or the right of other CFLAGS options? |
| 19:28.58 | Flash | it doesn't really matter (but typically to the left) |
| 19:29.17 | BulletCatcher | It does matter, for purposes of overriding. |
| 19:29.34 | BulletCatcher | So you allow users to override. |
| 19:29.54 | Flash | There are some things, that are intrinsic to our configuration that should not be overridden (like system include paths) |
| 19:29.56 | BulletCatcher | And I know that would make you happy for the SDLMain.m problem. |
| 19:30.31 | Flash | things like debug/optimization/profiling/warnings should be overridable (although, isn't that what configure is for?) |
| 19:31.08 | BulletCatcher | -I options are cumulative, except that I think there is a way to delete all of the previous ones. |
| 19:31.08 | Flash | architecture-specific requirements (like PIC for shared objects, or machine architecture-specific stuff) users should not be allowed to change |
| 19:31.46 | Flash | as a GENERAL rule, users should be able to add -I options to the left (so theirs are searched first) |
| 19:31.55 | Flash | but for this project, that doesn't seem to be an issue |
| 19:33.08 | BulletCatcher | automake uses this order: '$(AM_CFLAGS) $(CFLAGS)' in compile commands, allowing users to override/supersede everything. |
| 19:33.26 | Flash | it depends. some options, the last-specified wins |
| 19:33.44 | BulletCatcher | There is only so much we can do to keep people from shooting themselves in the foot when they build. |
| 19:34.01 | Flash | what is the issue that Tupone wants to fix? |
| 19:34.58 | Tupone | If I override FLAGS during make, mandatory flags should stay |
| 19:35.54 | Tupone | Well, the main thing now is that does not more compile here |
| 19:36.10 | Tupone | but this is easy to solve |
| 19:38.51 | BulletCatcher | In my pastebin I designated -Wall, -O2, and such as recommended and replacable by 'CFLAGS=...' at configure or make time. |
| 19:38.53 | BulletCatcher | Everything else should be mandatory. |
| 19:38.59 | BulletCatcher | Does that work for you, Tupone? |
| 19:39.46 | Tupone | Yes. But I'm looking at something online to point for the requirements ... |
| 19:40.17 | BulletCatcher | That would be helpful if you can find it. |
| 19:40.21 | Flash | I would agree that nothing mandatory should be in C*FLAGS |
| 19:40.55 | BulletCatcher | I sense that we may not fully agree about what is mandatory, though. |
| 19:41.11 | Flash | mandatory is what is required to compile successfully |
| 19:41.13 | Tupone | http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/automake.html#Flag-Variables-Ordering |
| 19:41.33 | Tupone | http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/automake.html#User-Variables |
| 19:41.49 | Tupone | that should explain why I did something on that line |
| 19:42.25 | Flash | the second paragraph of the second link is what I was just saying |
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| 19:46.42 | BulletCatcher | Huh. automake can issue warnings. |
| 19:54.04 | BulletCatcher | After reading those links I think my pastebin plan is very close to what will work for all of us. |
| 19:54.05 | BulletCatcher | Are there specific questions about the parts where it isn't clear? |
| 19:55.35 | JeffM | did anyone try sacraficing a chicken yet? |
| 19:59.59 | BulletCatcher | We're still trying to decide between a Rhode Island and an Australorp breed. |
| 20:00.18 | JeffM | do both, have a bbq |
| 20:00.53 | Tupone | Re-reading that, I think is better to not touch C*FLAGS at all. Maybe only the debug and optimize flags can be left on C*FLAGS if user does not specify at configure time |
| 20:01.29 | Tupone | everything else on the AM_ |
| 20:01.40 | BulletCatcher | configure will add -g and/or -O2 to them anyway if they are not user specified. |
| 20:01.51 | Tupone | yes |
| 20:02.16 | Tupone | but if user specify, do not touch them |
| 20:02.25 | BulletCatcher | agreed |
| 20:02.25 | Tupone | like is written in your note |
| 20:03.31 | Tupone | Warning could be put on the AM, but only if we are sure the compiler will accept without erroring |
| 20:03.53 | Tupone | -I goes into AM_CPP |
| 20:05.00 | Tupone | Except eventual corner cases, I agree with what you wrote in the note |
| 20:06.24 | Tupone | why not putting this on the wiki ... to let to the posterity (?) |
| 20:06.51 | BulletCatcher | I was thinking the DEVINFO file, or maybe just a big comment in configure.ac . |
| 20:08.03 | BulletCatcher | Okay, we'll put -I in AM_CPPFLAGS, and other recomended flags in AM_CFLAGS and AM_CXXFLAGS, leaving {CPP,C,CXX}FLAGS to the user. |
| 20:08.25 | BulletCatcher | Do you have anything to add, Flash? |
| 20:09.08 | BulletCatcher | I wouldn't mind getting comments from brlcad too. |
| 20:09.16 | JeffM | I thougt apple didn't support flash |
| 20:10.01 | BulletCatcher | Flash supports Apple every time he buys another Mac. :-) |
| 20:10.11 | JeffM | true dat |
| 20:10.37 | JeffM | it must be nice to have video drivers months and months old |
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| 20:11.30 | JeffM | did the stuff with the off by one pixel radar patch get worked out? |
| 20:12.00 | BulletCatcher | Not completely. I can still see it. It may be 2 pixels, in fact. |
| 20:12.10 | JeffM | k |
| 20:12.14 | JeffM | I'll have a looksee |
| 20:12.59 | JeffM | 3.0 has a totaly new way of drawing the panel outlines, there are known issues with the current methods on some cards, mostly in the corners |
| 20:13.47 | BulletCatcher | The boxes are several pixels in from the screen corners for me. |
| 20:14.25 | JeffM | so they are different from the previous verison? or righthand side is different from left |
| 20:15.28 | Flash | sorry... I was blowing up tanks |
| 20:17.25 | Flash | I think AM_C*FLAGS should be set as we need them. Configure can modify (--enable-debug, etc). That looks very straightforward (scary) |
| 20:18.52 | Flash | About the pixel thing: ts3d says it's 1 pixel, but I'm convinced that the message box drawer is subtracting 1 before drawing somewhere |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM | I see a one pixel difference between the left location |
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| 20:19.30 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/bz_bug/radar%20offset.png |
| 20:19.33 | Flash | if you connect to an idle server and toggle between left and right radar, you can see the offset |
| 20:19.40 | JeffM | top is radar right, bottom is radar left |
| 20:19.47 | JeffM | you don't have to connect to a server |
| 20:19.55 | JeffM | just hit escape from the menu page |
| 20:20.21 | Flash | I only see 1 image |
| 20:20.30 | JeffM | yes that's 2 radars on top of each other |
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| 20:20.53 | JeffM | the bottom ghosted image is the radar pannel from radar left |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM | the top ghosted box is the chat pannel from radar right |
| 20:21.17 | Flash | so the radar is one (or two?) pixels the the right? |
| 20:21.39 | JeffM | the radar in radar right is one pixel to the left |
| 20:21.50 | JeffM | if we assume the radar left image is legacy and "correct" |
| 20:21.52 | BulletCatcher | What is most noticeable for me is the position of the far right side when toggling between the two modes. |
| 20:22.05 | JeffM | I show the right sides being aligned |
| 20:22.10 | JeffM | what card do you have? |
| 20:22.41 | BulletCatcher | GeForce 6100 |
| 20:22.49 | Flash | GeForce 8600M GT |
| 20:23.18 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/bz_bug/radar%20right%20side.png |
| 20:23.29 | JeffM | that is the same comparitor image on the right side of the screen |
| 20:23.40 | JeffM | the blue lines are a pixel aligned guide in photoshop |
| 20:23.57 | JeffM | hmm are both of those using legacy drivers? |
| 20:24.02 | JeffM | the 6100 probalby is |
| 20:24.32 | Flash | you know us Apple users... it just "works" ... we don't know about drivers |
| 20:24.39 | BulletCatcher | I use nvidia-290.10 with my 6100. |
| 20:24.50 | JeffM | yeah I know, you are at the whim of apple for updates |
| 20:24.55 | JeffM | at least you arn't ATI |
| 20:26.01 | BulletCatcher | When I look carefully while toggling I can see the left side move by what must be 1 pixel. At the same time the right side moves several pixels. |
| 20:26.03 | JeffM | ahhh legacy kicks in at the FX line, you are at the bottome edge of support BulletCatcher :) |
| 20:26.15 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, take 2 screenshots and send them to me please |
| 20:26.26 | JeffM | I will look at them in an image editor |
| 20:26.27 | BulletCatcher | Figures. 6-year old hardware. |
| 20:26.39 | JeffM | 6100's were good bang for buck when they came out |
| 20:26.45 | JeffM | way better then the FX series |
| 20:26.50 | JeffM | I had 2 of em in SLI mode |
| 20:27.07 | BulletCatcher | It is exactly adequate for BZFlag. |
| 20:27.14 | JeffM | yeah it would be |
| 20:27.46 | JeffM | how big is your radar? |
| 20:29.18 | BulletCatcher | radarsize 26, which uses about half of the screen |
| 20:29.49 | JeffM | the gaps are different between the 2 modes as well |
| 20:30.26 | JeffM | I belive the chat box needs to be moved over to the right one pixel when radar is set to right |
| 20:30.37 | JeffM | that's what I see from my research on the images |
| 20:31.15 | JeffM | if the goal is to allign the righhand mode with the legacy bounding box of the lefthand mode |
| 20:31.48 | JeffM | right hand mode also has an extra pixel in Y on the outline |
| 20:31.50 | JeffM | as there is a gap |
| 20:32.36 | JeffM | ahh no, tha'ts just a bug in the chatbox on both sides :) |
| 20:34.51 | JeffM | wow what kinda resolution is that BulletCatcher ? |
| 20:35.25 | BulletCatcher | 1400x1050 is what I use to get 4x3 on my HD monitor. |
| 20:36.10 | JeffM | wow, your results are different from mine |
| 20:36.38 | JeffM | your lefts are alligned and your rights are off |
| 20:36.42 | JeffM | mine are reversed |
| 20:36.54 | JeffM | time to fire upp the VM |
| 20:37.04 | JeffM | cus I assume you are not on windows? |
| 20:37.12 | BulletCatcher | Fedora 16 Linux |
| 20:37.13 | JeffM | also was that in fullscreen or windowed? |
| 20:37.21 | BulletCatcher | That was fullscreen. |
| 20:37.34 | BulletCatcher | Windowed mode eats the F5 key for me. |
| 20:37.35 | JeffM | can you take a pair of shots windowed so I can make sure it's the same behavor in the 2 modes? |
| 20:38.02 | JeffM | just run onece with -window 800x600 |
| 20:38.12 | JeffM | that will let you take the same size shots that I did |
| 20:38.22 | JeffM | and won't mod your config |
| 20:38.44 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.58 | BulletCatcher | I have a backup of my config, but I have to find another way to trigger the screenshot. |
| 20:39.17 | JeffM | on windows I use the system screenshot command alt+print screen |
| 20:39.37 | JeffM | that gets me window borders and all |
| 20:40.53 | Flash | I have a similar result |
| 20:40.53 | BulletCatcher | The closest thing I have for that is ehe unix "xwd" command, which totally fails in this case. |
| 20:40.56 | *** join/#bzflag linuxdude2 (ad5889d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.88.137.209) |
| 20:41.08 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 20:41.54 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 20:42.22 | BulletCatcher | Ah. I can bind some other key to screenshot. |
| 20:42.46 | Flash | http://i.imgur.com/s0L8S.png |
| 20:43.00 | Flash | http://i.imgur.com/D8EjF.png |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM | flash has the same images I do |
| 20:44.31 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 20:44.35 | JeffM | left side is off by one when radar= right |
| 20:44.40 | JeffM | linuxdude2, try /msg |
| 20:44.48 | linuxdude2 | what?? |
| 20:44.57 | linuxdude2 | thats my server |
| 20:44.59 | JeffM | /msg ibot bzfquery |
| 20:45.02 | JeffM | then we don't have to see it |
| 20:45.32 | JeffM | I figured it was by the domain name ;) |
| 20:46.17 | JeffM | Flash, you don't have any kind of nvidia control panel do you? |
| 20:46.46 | Flash | no |
| 20:47.02 | JeffM | is there a system info utility on mac? |
| 20:47.06 | Flash | yes |
| 20:47.10 | JeffM | I'm looking for anyway to find your driver version |
| 20:48.23 | Flash | here's the easy-to-find info: http://flash.pastebin.ca/2129365 |
| 20:48.47 | JeffM | yeah that's hardware info |
| 20:51.44 | *** part/#bzflag linuxdude2 (ad5889d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.88.137.209) |
| 20:51.44 | Flash | GeForce 1.5.48 |
| 20:51.56 | JeffM | that dosn't make sense |
| 20:52.22 | JeffM | the current nvidia core is like 290something |
| 20:52.42 | JeffM | it's ok |
| 20:52.45 | JeffM | I think it's a linux thing |
| 20:52.52 | JeffM | I'm getting the same results as BC on a VM |
| 20:54.13 | JeffM | interesting, in window mode, BulletCatcher is only off by one pixel on the right |
| 20:54.19 | JeffM | time to try fullscreen on windows |
| 20:54.22 | BulletCatcher | SDL version, perhaps? I am using 1.2.14 . |
| 20:54.26 | JeffM | oh god no |
| 20:54.32 | JeffM | SLD just sets up the window |
| 20:54.46 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 20:55.05 | JeffM | there are known discrepeancies between GL implemtnation with regards to GL1.0 ortho CSs between various OSs |
| 20:55.20 | JeffM | has to do with how the OS maps to the windowing system |
| 20:55.38 | BulletCatcher | The offset may be magnified on my 1400x1050 screen vs. 800x600. |
| 20:55.49 | JeffM | yeah that's why I'm trying fullscreen on my 1920 |
| 20:58.29 | JeffM | fullscreen has the same results as my windowed test on windows, off by 1 on th left |
| 20:58.39 | JeffM | trying to run linux fullscreen now |
| 21:01.16 | JeffM | my big linux is off by 2 pixels |
| 21:01.29 | JeffM | so my window linux and my big linux and your fullscreen are all off by 2 |
| 21:01.31 | JeffM | on the right |
| 21:01.40 | JeffM | your windowed is off by 1 on the right |
| 21:01.46 | JeffM | everyone else is off by 1 on the left |
| 21:01.50 | JeffM | all from the same code |
| 21:01.54 | BulletCatcher | yay |
| 21:02.14 | JeffM | the only fix i see is to redo the hud system like I was doing on 3.0 |
| 21:02.19 | *** join/#bzflag swigg__ (~swigg@71-85-132-27.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) |
| 21:02.19 | JeffM | using quads instead of lines |
| 21:02.39 | JeffM | so I say this is an acceptable discrepancy for now |
| 21:02.51 | *** join/#bzflag Quol_ (~Ian@webout3.futureelectronics.com) |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM | people are going to pick ether left or right and keep it |
| 21:02.57 | BulletCatcher | Make it work right for Windows, and that will satisfy half of our players. |
| 21:03.10 | JeffM | I belive the sizes of the elements are the same, the space difference is in the gap between the elements |
| 21:03.11 | BulletCatcher | I agree that once it is changed no one will care. |
| 21:03.24 | JeffM | I don't even want to fight with it |
| 21:03.27 | JeffM | it's a single pixel |
| 21:03.44 | JeffM | and nobody is being cheated out of any realestate on the radar |
| 21:03.51 | BulletCatcher | Okay, then we can leave it as a known bug. |
| 21:04.03 | JeffM | there are so many other discrepancies in the rest of the tab drawing, what is one more :) |
| 21:04.20 | JeffM | the box corners are different between some of the screenshots too |
| 21:04.27 | JeffM | so I don't think it's the code in the patch |
| 21:04.38 | JeffM | I think it's how we draw our stuff and set up orthographic mode |
| 21:05.12 | JeffM | the code we are using was desuported in GL3 |
| 21:05.47 | JeffM | cards are suposed to still do it, but I'll bet that the vendors test it less and less |
| 21:27.51 | *** join/#bzflag swigg_ (~swigg@71-85-132-27.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) |
| 21:37.29 | *** join/#bzflag I_Died_Once (~I_Died_On@unaffiliated/idiedonce/x-1828535) |
| 21:53.30 | *** join/#bzflag linuxdude2 (ad5889d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.88.137.209) |
| 21:53.51 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 21:54.34 | blast007 | linuxdude2: just so you know, BZFlag 2.4 was released a while back. you won't get many/any players on 2.0.x |
| 21:54.57 | linuxdude2 | so......... |
| 21:55.02 | linuxdude2 | your point is......... |
| 21:55.13 | blast007 | my point is you might want to consider upgrading your server |
| 21:55.27 | linuxdude2 | i had 5 ppl on it an hour a go |
| 21:55.35 | linuxdude2 | server runs debian |
| 21:55.46 | linuxdude2 | apt-get says it's upgraded |
| 21:55.47 | blast007 | you had all 5 of the remaining 2.0.x players at once? wow ;) |
| 21:55.53 | linuxdude2 | yup |
| 21:55.55 | blast007 | it's not in apt |
| 21:56.03 | linuxdude2 | what isn't?? |
| 21:56.07 | blast007 | bzflag 2.4 |
| 21:56.17 | linuxdude2 | it's in the debian and ubuntu repos (the old one) |
| 21:56.21 | linuxdude2 | that'd be why |
| 21:56.31 | linuxdude2 | how do i upgrade without apt |
| 21:56.32 | linuxdude2 | ?? |
| 21:56.43 | blast007 | by building it from the source tar.gz |
| 21:56.47 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 21:56.51 | linuxdude2 | make |
| 21:56.54 | blast007 | or better, from our SVN code |
| 21:56.54 | linuxdude2 | make install |
| 21:56.56 | blast007 | ~bzsvn |
| 21:56.56 | ibot | from memory, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 21:57.11 | linuxdude2 | SVN?? |
| 21:57.14 | blast007 | 2.4.2 will come out at *some* point |
| 21:57.22 | blast007 | SVN is our version control system. Subversion. |
| 21:57.30 | linuxdude2 | i'll be right back, hold on |
| 21:57.50 | Thumper_ | grabs hold of blast007 |
| 21:57.56 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:58.38 | linuxdude2 | i'm back |
| 21:58.49 | linuxdude2 | what is the best map you recomment?? |
| 21:59.14 | linuxdude2 | i'm using one i found on the forums called "parilis", it's pretty good |
| 21:59.14 | blast007 | best map? that's a loaded question. |
| 21:59.23 | linuxdude2 | in your opinion |
| 21:59.32 | blast007 | I have no idea :P |
| 21:59.47 | linuxdude2 | well, what's a good map you've used?? |
| 21:59.53 | linuxdude2 | you enjoy?? |
| 22:00.12 | blast007 | dunno |
| 22:00.32 | linuxdude2 | i'll be back |
| 22:00.42 | blast007 | okay ... |
| 22:01.58 | blast007 | there's 181 servers running on BZFlag 2.4, not counting any hidden ones. |
| 22:02.26 | blast007 | (well, counting any that I can't see...might be one hidden one I get) ;) |
| 22:02.31 | blast007 | not counting* |
| 22:04.40 | linuxdude2 | how many running 2.0.x??? |
| 22:04.49 | linuxdude2 | are u an admin?? |
| 22:04.54 | blast007 | admin of what? |
| 22:05.05 | linuxdude2 | bzflag |
| 22:05.15 | blast007 | what part of bzflag? |
| 22:05.20 | linuxdude2 | any |
| 22:05.27 | linuxdude2 | tell me |
| 22:05.27 | blast007 | there's 12 2.0.x servers |
| 22:05.34 | linuxdude2 | that's it?? |
| 22:05.39 | linuxdude2 | just 12!!!!!!1 |
| 22:05.46 | linuxdude2 | mine's offline now |
| 22:05.48 | blast007 | I'm a forum admin, project admin, server owner, admin on various servers, etc |
| 22:06.00 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 22:06.05 | JeffM | don't forget member of the debian games team |
| 22:06.07 | linuxdude2 | offline |
| 22:06.19 | linuxdude2 | see ^^^^^^^^^^^ server offline |
| 22:06.24 | blast007 | JeffM: not that I really do much with that .... :/ |
| 22:06.35 | linuxdude2 | why not?? |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM | blast007, yeah dosn't seem like anyone does. |
| 22:06.40 | linuxdude2 | ok, hold on |
| 22:06.51 | linuxdude2 | what's your favorite Linux distro?? |
| 22:06.59 | blast007 | Windows 7 |
| 22:07.09 | JeffM | windows 8 is better |
| 22:07.15 | linuxdude2 | i'm serious guys |
| 22:07.20 | linuxdude2 | plzz |
| 22:07.20 | JeffM | so are we |
| 22:07.22 | linuxdude2 | tell me |
| 22:07.27 | JeffM | that is not a word |
| 22:07.33 | linuxdude2 | please |
| 22:07.37 | linuxdude2 | ?? |
| 22:07.38 | JeffM | it all depends on what you want to do with your linux install |
| 22:07.40 | JeffM | and where |
| 22:07.48 | linuxdude2 | I have it installed |
| 22:07.49 | blast007 | I use Ubuntu Server at times |
| 22:07.52 | JeffM | they are just different ways of getting the same software onto a system |
| 22:07.59 | linuxdude2 | I like Ubuntu and Debian |
| 22:08.09 | blast007 | been meaning to try Arch Linux though - their rolling release cycle is interesting |
| 22:08.09 | JeffM | they are very similar |
| 22:08.11 | linuxdude2 | best two ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:08.21 | linuxdude2 | i know |
| 22:08.22 | JeffM | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 22:08.31 | linuxdude2 | debian is the parent of ubuntu, and mint |
| 22:08.39 | linuxdude2 | i'm a nerd, i'm not dumb |
| 22:08.40 | JeffM | ubutnu is a little overweight for some servers |
| 22:08.48 | JeffM | never said you were |
| 22:08.56 | blast007 | ubuntu server LTS is nice though |
| 22:08.57 | linuxdude2 | that's why my server is running debian........... |
| 22:09.01 | blast007 | I get updates for 5 years |
| 22:09.09 | linuxdude2 | support too |
| 22:09.10 | JeffM | and an old version of bzflag ;) |
| 22:09.22 | linuxdude2 | is there a repo with 2.4?? |
| 22:09.24 | blast007 | well who would use what's in apt? ;) |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:09.36 | linuxdude2 | there has to be |
| 22:09.39 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:09.43 | linuxdude2 | yup |
| 22:09.45 | JeffM | the maintainer has not made one yet |
| 22:09.55 | blast007 | there's an Ubuntu PPA that someone made, but it's not officially in the debian/ubuntu repos |
| 22:10.02 | JeffM | I'm a software developer, I'm not dumb |
| 22:10.17 | linuxdude2 | compile one, deb package, and please send it to the official repo canonical |
| 22:10.27 | JeffM | 1) that's in progreass |
| 22:10.32 | JeffM | and 2) not everyone can do that |
| 22:10.33 | blast007 | it's a bit more complicated that that ;) |
| 22:10.34 | linuxdude2 | i know it's not in the official repo........ |
| 22:10.46 | linuxdude2 | 2) i can |
| 22:10.47 | JeffM | they can only come from trusted sources |
| 22:11.00 | JeffM | you are a debian developer with a signed key? |
| 22:11.01 | linuxdude2 | 1) kool 2) i can |
| 22:11.04 | JeffM | impressive |
| 22:11.09 | JeffM | what project do you maintain? |
| 22:11.14 | blast007 | linuxdude2: so you know where to find the debian directory files? |
| 22:11.27 | linuxdude2 | gnome |
| 22:11.38 | linuxdude2 | what directory files?? |
| 22:11.39 | JeffM | I mean if that was the case you surely would have known our package was old |
| 22:11.49 | JeffM | the files used to build the deb files |
| 22:11.52 | linuxdude2 | i know |
| 22:11.59 | JeffM | what project do you maintain? |
| 22:12.02 | linuxdude2 | gnome |
| 22:12.08 | linuxdude2 | kool software |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM | you have a developer signed key? |
| 22:12.43 | JeffM | and can sign packages? |
| 22:12.56 | linuxdude2 | what type?? i'm in on launchpad |
| 22:13.13 | linuxdude2 | i don't have the key to sign anymore |
| 22:13.25 | JeffM | then you can't submit a package for bzflag to be put into apt |
| 22:13.32 | JeffM | it has to be signed by a developer |
| 22:13.33 | linuxdude2 | i know |
| 22:13.37 | linuxdude2 | i can ask |
| 22:13.48 | JeffM | so can we, but it's more complicated then that |
| 22:13.56 | linuxdude2 | i know |
| 22:14.01 | JeffM | tim and blast joined the games team to get it done |
| 22:14.16 | linuxdude2 | on launchpad?? |
| 22:14.19 | JeffM | the package needs more testing from what I understand |
| 22:14.30 | linuxdude2 | says debian........ |
| 22:14.31 | blast007 | linuxdude2: no, the debian games team |
| 22:14.36 | linuxdude2 | oh |
| 22:14.41 | linuxdude2 | not Ubuntu, i get it |
| 22:14.52 | blast007 | ubuntu would pull it from debian eventually |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM | after the world ends |
| 22:15.02 | blast007 | or we could work with them afterwords more directly |
| 22:15.05 | linuxdude2 | +blast007: ubuntu is a copy cat |
| 22:15.15 | JeffM | no, it's a derivitave distro |
| 22:15.18 | linuxdude2 | if it were only easier |
| 22:15.23 | linuxdude2 | i'll be back |
| 22:15.32 | JeffM | mom say it's time for dinner? |
| 22:16.34 | *** join/#bzflag ts3d (~anonymous@108-88-101-129.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:18.32 | ts3d | Morning everybody |
| 22:20.03 | linuxdude2 | best map?? |
| 22:20.06 | linuxdude2 | to download?? |
| 22:20.37 | ts3d | What do you mean? Just go play on a server |
| 22:20.43 | JeffM | everyone will have a different fav map |
| 22:21.02 | JeffM | you could actualy look at the maps and decide what one you want to host |
| 22:21.14 | blast007 | and the "best maps" are already running on 2.4.0 servers ;) |
| 22:21.20 | JeffM | there are way more servers then players these days so they have the ability to pick |
| 22:21.38 | ts3d | Jeff: are the KRB configurations for the removed kerberos support? |
| 22:21.45 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:21.49 | JeffM | they are a pain to pull |
| 22:22.01 | JeffM | they arn't used by any sln files so they are dead code |
| 22:22.06 | ts3d | I did the rest, i got a patch |
| 22:22.16 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 22:22.49 | ts3d | upload to patc tracker or you wnat just a link |
| 22:22.52 | ts3d | patch* |
| 22:22.55 | JeffM | always upload |
| 22:22.59 | JeffM | we need a record of it |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM | and who submited it |
| 22:23.17 | JeffM | for the copyright |
| 22:26.01 | linuxdude2 | i had to mod a map to make it run on my server......... |
| 22:26.09 | JeffM | ok |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM | that can happen with older software |
| 22:27.24 | blast007 | (or with newer software) ;) |
| 22:27.30 | linuxdude2 | i get it |
| 22:27.35 | linuxdude2 | ill update |
| 22:27.37 | JeffM | tis the nature of change |
| 22:27.43 | blast007 | I had to mod Decks to make it work closer to how it worked back in 1.7 |
| 22:27.58 | blast007 | still not 100% the same.. need to fix the teleporters. |
| 22:28.16 | JeffM | how many people are playing 2.0? |
| 22:28.25 | blast007 | had had 5 people on at once |
| 22:28.28 | blast007 | he had* |
| 22:28.34 | JeffM | was that all of them? |
| 22:28.39 | blast007 | probably |
| 22:28.41 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:28.42 | JeffM | wonder if strayer still tracks em |
| 22:28.47 | blast007 | he does |
| 22:28.53 | linuxdude2 | 5 and bots |
| 22:28.55 | blast007 | dunno if he has a separate count for them |
| 22:29.20 | linuxdude2 | 5 and bots |
| 22:29.26 | JeffM | he tracks observers too |
| 22:29.30 | JeffM | heard ya the first time |
| 22:30.03 | JeffM | 2 servers have 3 players now |
| 22:30.09 | JeffM | 4 have 1 |
| 22:30.20 | JeffM | so it looks like 6 people right now |
| 22:30.26 | linuxdude2 | heard me the second time too |
| 22:30.46 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 22:30.57 | linuxdude2 | hehe |
| 22:31.32 | blast007 | heh.. someone put their actual email.. |
| 22:31.42 | blast007 | silly 'email' field .. |
| 22:31.51 | JeffM | silly lots of things |
| 22:31.57 | JeffM | silly LAN game |
| 22:33.38 | linuxdude2 | what's the email field for?? |
| 22:33.46 | linuxdude2 | i just put "linuxdude2@" |
| 22:34.03 | JeffM | it was for your email on the mainframe that your local network was tied to |
| 22:34.14 | JeffM | so the local sysadmin could know who you were |
| 22:34.47 | ts3d | jeff: windows or unix line endings for patches? |
| 22:35.01 | JeffM | unix |
| 22:35.09 | JeffM | make it a unified diff |
| 22:35.36 | linuxdude2 | oh |
| 22:35.51 | JeffM | the email field was removed from 2.4 |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM | well changed, to "motto" |
| 22:36.00 | ts3d | hmm, i don't know if i can do that, its a svn diff |
| 22:36.10 | JeffM | the default output of a svn dif will be fine |
| 22:36.12 | blast007 | 'svn diff' makes a unified diff |
| 22:36.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:37.40 | linuxdude2 | emails |
| 22:40.01 | linuxdude2 | ~bzfquery linuxdude.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 22:40.05 | ts3d | I using a shellscript that changes git diff output into an svn diff compatible one |
| 22:40.16 | linuxdude2 | another email |
| 22:40.25 | ts3d | Patch is up |
| 22:40.58 | JeffM | yeah I see the mail it sends me :) |
| 22:41.06 | blast007 | bleh, I'm not awake. Just realized I typed "spreadsheet" instead of "stylesheet" into the <link> tag in this HTML page. ;) |
| 22:41.31 | ts3d | More COFFEE |
| 22:41.41 | blast007 | don't drink coffee |
| 22:41.42 | Flash | I nearly ALWAYS copy my HTML headers |
| 22:41.54 | blast007 | Flash: I rarely do |
| 22:41.57 | ts3d | Tea :) |
| 22:41.59 | Flash | actually, I created a bunch of SSI so I don't have to even remember |
| 22:42.17 | JeffM | linuxdude2, yeah that's why we changed it, people thought it was part of global registration |
| 22:42.41 | linuxdude2 | wow |
| 22:42.44 | linuxdude2 | i gotta go |
| 22:42.45 | *** part/#bzflag linuxdude2 (ad5889d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.88.137.209) |
| 22:42.51 | ts3d | How lets see about the GLEW_STATIC issues now |
| 22:42.53 | blast007 | dinner's done! |
| 22:43.01 | ts3d | What are you having? |
| 22:43.10 | blast007 | was referring to linuxdude2 |
| 22:43.13 | Flash | JeffM: did I ever ask you about exception handling? |
| 22:43.16 | JeffM | "GARRRRYYY.. DINNER NOW!!!!" |
| 22:43.20 | JeffM | Flash, I don't know |
| 22:43.33 | Flash | is there a reason why it is disabled in BZFlag? |
| 22:43.40 | JeffM | it is? |
| 22:43.46 | JeffM | on what OS? |
| 22:43.48 | Flash | for all unix-based |
| 22:44.10 | JeffM | because the people that wrote the makefile system disabled it? |
| 22:44.30 | Flash | so there's no GOOD reason? |
| 22:44.33 | JeffM | I didn't know you could turn it off |
| 22:44.44 | ts3d | Jeff: I think we should define GLEW_STATIC for the bzflag project and ogl project |
| 22:44.48 | Flash | GCC allows it |
| 22:45.09 | JeffM | ts3d, IIRC that led to linking errors |
| 22:45.13 | JeffM | but you can try it |
| 22:45.21 | ts3d | I tried it yesterday |
| 22:45.28 | ts3d | It works |
| 22:45.34 | JeffM | on all 4 builds? |
| 22:45.37 | ts3d | and gets rid of many warnings |
| 22:45.55 | ts3d | only checked x86 debug whoops. I'll try otheres |
| 22:46.15 | JeffM | it may work now, we probably had other issues at the time |
| 22:46.36 | ts3d | http://glew.sourceforge.net/install.html |
| 22:46.55 | ts3d | they say it should be enabled for exectuables and static builds |
| 22:46.59 | JeffM | ok |
| 22:47.14 | JeffM | what directory were you in when you made your patch? |
| 22:47.20 | JeffM | the root or the msvc dir? |
| 22:47.46 | ts3d | bzflag project directory |
| 22:48.00 | JeffM | bzflag\MSVC\build ? |
| 22:48.21 | ts3d | no not in MSVC\build |
| 22:48.26 | ts3d | bzflag project root |
| 22:48.31 | JeffM | k |
| 22:48.34 | JeffM | cus it ain't applying |
| 22:49.07 | ts3d | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/ |
| 22:49.12 | ts3d | thats where i took it from |
| 22:49.18 | JeffM | that's the root |
| 22:50.05 | JeffM | oh you didn't get rid of the other useles builds too |
| 22:50.21 | ts3d | I can do that aswell |
| 22:50.31 | ts3d | I don't know why it's not applying |
| 22:50.45 | JeffM | cus it diffed wierd |
| 22:50.50 | JeffM | I'll just do it by hand |
| 22:51.08 | ts3d | Whats wrong with the diff. I'd like to fix my script |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM | I have no idea |
| 22:51.18 | JeffM | svn won't apply it |
| 22:51.22 | JeffM | it dosn't like the format |
| 22:51.32 | ts3d | convert the line endings to windows |
| 22:51.33 | blast007 | ts3d: what did you make it with? |
| 22:53.21 | ts3d | It's alot to apply by hand jeff; 80 or so changes |
| 22:53.36 | ts3d | blast007: a sh that changes git diff output into svn diff output |
| 22:53.38 | JeffM | that's nothing compared to my day job ;) |
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| 22:55.33 | ts3d | I compared the patch format to other ones uploaded on the tracker, same format |
| 22:55.45 | ts3d | maybe try with \cr\lf line endings? |
| 22:55.58 | JeffM | dunno |
| 22:56.08 | JeffM | it read it, the tool just said patch failed |
| 22:56.11 | ts3d | I had to convert to get git apply to take it |
| 22:56.33 | JeffM | well Git does make all things harder to use |
| 22:56.38 | JeffM | so that's probably why ;) |
| 22:59.39 | ts3d | -.- |
| 22:59.43 | ts3d | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/708202/git-format-patch-to-be-svn-compatible |
| 22:59.54 | ts3d | blat, i'm using the sh posted there |
| 22:59.57 | ts3d | blast* |
| 23:00.08 | blast007 | I just use svn |
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| 23:00.30 | blast007 | I avoid git unless I have no choice |
| 23:00.42 | ts3d | i'm gonna take a svn clone of the repo and see why its not taking it |
| 23:01.10 | JeffM | whatever floats your boat |
| 23:02.07 | ts3d | I think i know whats going on tabs vs spaces |
| 23:02.32 | JeffM | possibly |
| 23:06.22 | ts3d | ugh, accidently checkout right over my git clone |
| 23:06.26 | ts3d | checkouted* |
| 23:06.48 | JeffM | these are the perils of using 2 version systems |
| 23:07.03 | ts3d | I just forgot to specify a directory |
| 23:07.18 | *** join/#bzflag linuxdude2 (ad5889d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.88.137.209) |
| 23:07.53 | linuxdude2 | hey |
| 23:08.09 | JeffM | you get desert? |
| 23:09.06 | linuxdude2 | i just had oreos |
| 23:09.09 | linuxdude2 | dessert |
| 23:09.10 | linuxdude2 | fwi |
| 23:09.16 | linuxdude2 | fyi |
| 23:09.31 | JeffM | huh? no I was talking about middle arizona |
| 23:09.36 | JeffM | they don't have oreos! |
| 23:10.07 | JeffM | not with some of those new laws |
| 23:10.16 | blast007 | man I hate IE ... |
| 23:11.17 | JeffM | HTML5? |
| 23:12.06 | blast007 | some CSS |
| 23:12.13 | linuxdude2 | who uses IE?? |
| 23:12.17 | linuxdude2 | i'm on firefox |
| 23:12.23 | linuxdude2 | sometimes chromium |
| 23:12.26 | linuxdude2 | mostly firefox |
| 23:12.27 | JeffM | some people use it |
| 23:12.27 | blast007 | lack of inline-block and rgba color support |
| 23:12.36 | linuxdude2 | chromium sucks at downloading files |
| 23:12.40 | JeffM | so when you are making webpages you have to make sure that it works in IE |
| 23:12.41 | linuxdude2 | firefox rocks |
| 23:12.48 | blast007 | linuxdude2: I'm a web developer, so I try to design sites that actually work on many browsers ;) |
| 23:12.54 | linuxdude2 | well |
| 23:13.08 | linuxdude2 | nobody except my grandma uses IE anymore |
| 23:13.09 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22420 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (11 files): remove some of the bogus targets |
| 23:13.24 | linuxdude2 | cia bot, everyone run!!!!!!!! |
| 23:13.25 | blast007 | well, what a coincidence... I'm making this site for her |
| 23:13.37 | linuxdude2 | i'll let her know, what url?? |
| 23:13.38 | JeffM | linuxdude2, a lot of companies use it |
| 23:13.50 | linuxdude2 | my school does, unfortunately........ |
| 23:14.03 | blast007 | I considered dropping Firefox at work (a school) |
| 23:14.03 | linuxdude2 | whats the url of the site??" |
| 23:14.16 | linuxdude2 | u shoudl |
| 23:14.18 | linuxdude2 | should |
| 23:14.21 | blast007 | linuxdude2: http://localhost/bzflag_design2/main.html |
| 23:14.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:14.40 | linuxdude2 | i can't load your localhost here......... |
| 23:14.41 | linuxdude2 | hehe |
| 23:14.54 | blast007 | not much to look at anyway |
| 23:15.00 | blast007 | I just have a nav bar so far :P |
| 23:15.02 | linuxdude2 | can i see?? |
| 23:15.43 | JeffM | you can't load his localhost? |
| 23:15.46 | blast007 | This isn't the site you want to see. You want to go home and rethink your life. *waves hands around* |
| 23:15.49 | JeffM | what kind of hax0rz are you |
| 23:15.59 | JeffM | nice site blast, I love the flash animations |
| 23:16.00 | linuxdude2 | Star Wars |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM | and good use of blink tag |
| 23:16.04 | linuxdude2 | Bet kenobe |
| 23:16.06 | blast007 | yeah, it's even an outdated version of apache running on Windows XP! |
| 23:16.15 | linuxdude2 | wtf?? |
| 23:16.17 | linuxdude2 | why |
| 23:16.22 | blast007 | local development system |
| 23:16.24 | linuxdude2 | can u give me the url?? |
| 23:16.30 | blast007 | I did |
| 23:16.31 | JeffM | he gave you the URL |
| 23:16.38 | JeffM | not his fault you don't know how to use it |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM | I thought you were the gnome maintainer? |
| 23:17.39 | linuxdude2 | smart ass |
| 23:17.52 | JeffM | I am not a donkey, good sir! |
| 23:18.00 | blast007 | he was more like the guardian. then he launched it into orbit in a rocket. got the achievement though! |
| 23:18.23 | JeffM | I love achievments |
| 23:18.28 | JeffM | I get them in VC10 |
| 23:18.33 | linuxdude2 | no url then?? |
| 23:18.37 | blast007 | linuxdude2: it's not online |
| 23:18.42 | blast007 | it's barely even a site yet |
| 23:18.43 | JeffM | it's not on a public server |
| 23:18.45 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 23:18.47 | blast007 | like I said, it's JUST a nav bar |
| 23:18.49 | JeffM | that's how web development works |
| 23:18.59 | linuxdude2 | ive made a website |
| 23:19.03 | linuxdude2 | a half ass one |
| 23:19.04 | JeffM | lets see it? |
| 23:19.07 | blast007 | and then geocities shut down? |
| 23:19.12 | ts3d | be back later |
| 23:19.21 | linuxdude2 | http://linuxdude.no-ip.org/ |
| 23:19.29 | linuxdude2 | there ya have it |
| 23:19.32 | JeffM | good use of whitespace |
| 23:19.41 | linuxdude2 | i know right |
| 23:19.47 | JeffM | no |
| 23:19.52 | blast007 | mmm, quirks mode |
| 23:19.53 | linuxdude2 | i dont' make it fancy (don't know how) |
| 23:20.05 | blast007 | designing web sites like it's 1991 |
| 23:20.18 | JeffM | you know that URL is now logged and the RIAA can come and look at all your downloadz |
| 23:20.38 | linuxdude2 | how?? |
| 23:20.46 | JeffM | ibot logs everything |
| 23:20.53 | linuxdude2 | RIAA?? |
| 23:21.00 | JeffM | yeah for the music you are hosting |
| 23:21.13 | JeffM | and didn't even bother to password protect |
| 23:21.16 | JeffM | I mean wow |
| 23:21.42 | blast007 | I'm sure Road Runner will forward on the notice to you soon. |
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| 23:22.17 | linuxdude2 | wow |
| 23:22.21 | linuxdude2 | not for long |
| 23:22.43 | JeffM | how many of those hits were google bots? |
| 23:23.12 | blast007 | how many were there RIAA? ;) |
| 23:23.27 | JeffM | they would find from google first |
| 23:23.31 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22421 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (bzflag.vcproj ogl.vcproj): add static preprocessor to remove GLEW link errors |
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| 23:23.37 | JeffM | I belive google will walk the ibot logs |
| 23:23.37 | linuxdude2 | none |
| 23:23.39 | JeffM | then walk his site |
| 23:23.49 | blast007 | he already linked it on the forums too |
| 23:23.55 | JeffM | oh |
| 23:24.00 | JeffM | you need to remove that then |
| 23:24.03 | JeffM | from the forums |
| 23:24.07 | linuxdude2 | why |
| 23:24.13 | blast007 | SOPA |
| 23:24.17 | linuxdude2 | ok |
| 23:24.22 | linuxdude2 | the music isn't there now |
| 23:24.22 | JeffM | no sites that do ilegal downloads should be linked to the forums |
| 23:25.01 | linuxdude2 | gone |
| 23:25.02 | JeffM | I mean do you even care about copyright law? |
| 23:25.12 | JeffM | it's the only thing protecting bzflag |
| 23:25.21 | linuxdude2 | not really |
| 23:25.22 | linuxdude2 | why |
| 23:25.24 | linuxdude2 | i can |
| 23:25.33 | linuxdude2 | GNU |
| 23:25.34 | JeffM | it prevents people from stealing our code |
| 23:25.38 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 23:25.42 | JeffM | it's licensed, but STILL copyright |
| 23:25.48 | linuxdude2 | i do for the things i care about |
| 23:25.54 | JeffM | you ignored one copyright, what makes us think you'll respect another? |
| 23:25.56 | linuxdude2 | Linux, BZFlag.... |
| 23:26.04 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 23:26.13 | JeffM | you'll just violate those too |
| 23:26.21 | JeffM | maintainer of gnome indeed! |
| 23:26.31 | linuxdude2 | used to be |
| 23:26.35 | linuxdude2 | 2 years ago |
| 23:26.42 | blast007 | linuxdude2: what VCS did they use? |
| 23:26.45 | JeffM | do you actualy know what maintainer means? |
| 23:26.45 | linuxdude2 | change subject?? |
| 23:26.57 | JeffM | or did you just submit patches? |
| 23:27.02 | linuxdude2 | patches |
| 23:27.10 | linuxdude2 | i didnt' maintain it |
| 23:27.10 | JeffM | yeah that's not the maintainer |
| 23:27.14 | linuxdude2 | i know |
| 23:27.16 | JeffM | that's called "a dude" |
| 23:27.20 | linuxdude2 | a few patches |
| 23:27.22 | linuxdude2 | i'm a dude |
| 23:27.27 | JeffM | so you say |
| 23:27.34 | blast007 | that's almost the opposite of the maintainer.. one step up from "user" :) |
| 23:27.35 | linuxdude2 | i worked on gnome |
| 23:27.39 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 23:28.05 | JeffM | if you submited patches then it's highly unlikely you were a debian approved developer |
| 23:28.12 | linuxdude2 | i wasn't |
| 23:28.17 | linuxdude2 | never said i was |
| 23:28.27 | JeffM | you said you didn't have a signing key "anymore" |
| 23:28.32 | JeffM | that implies that you did at one point |
| 23:28.35 | linuxdude2 | thought i did |
| 23:28.41 | JeffM | riiiiigghhhtttt |
| 23:28.56 | JeffM | were you a minor at the time? |
| 23:29.00 | linuxdude2 | i think i'm thinking of the ubuntu launchpad thingy |
| 23:29.12 | blast007 | SSH key != signing key |
| 23:29.15 | linuxdude2 | forget what it's called |
| 23:29.19 | linuxdude2 | not SSH |
| 23:29.23 | linuxdude2 | something else |
| 23:29.25 | blast007 | car key? |
| 23:29.30 | linuxdude2 | no |
| 23:29.37 | linuxdude2 | nevermind |
| 23:29.49 | blast007 | might have a signing key for PPAs |
| 23:29.56 | JeffM | a signing key is issued to debian project developers to sign the packages so that end users know they come from a trusted source. |
| 23:29.57 | linuxdude2 | no |
| 23:30.02 | JeffM | not just some dude |
| 23:30.07 | linuxdude2 | i dont |
| 23:30.12 | linuxdude2 | i'm some dude now |
| 23:30.19 | JeffM | cus they may not respect people's rights and slip in some bad code |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM | a debian package has to be verified and signed by a developer |
| 23:30.40 | blast007 | JeffM: pfft, they let BZFlag in... ;) |
| 23:30.44 | linuxdude2 | everyone learns their lesson?? |
| 23:30.45 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:30.58 | JeffM | you probalby will when you turn 25 |
| 23:31.05 | linuxdude2 | go easy?? |
| 23:31.12 | JeffM | oh most people do |
| 23:31.25 | JeffM | 25 is when people finaly realise that they were kinda dumb in the past |
| 23:31.35 | JeffM | thats why car insurance goes down then |
| 23:31.36 | linuxdude2 | like now |
| 23:31.40 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 23:32.33 | linuxdude2 | join my server and we'll see who wins? |
| 23:32.41 | JeffM | you will |
| 23:32.48 | linuxdude2 | yeah right |
| 23:32.51 | linuxdude2 | i suck |
| 23:32.53 | JeffM | no.. really |
| 23:32.54 | linuxdude2 | just join it |
| 23:32.56 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:33.00 | linuxdude2 | why?? |
| 23:33.11 | JeffM | umm because I don't want to |
| 23:33.26 | linuxdude2 | don't you beleive in some fun with random ppl?? |
| 23:33.44 | JeffM | oh I do, that dosn't mean I want to do it right now |
| 23:33.58 | linuxdude2 | c'mon |
| 23:34.05 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:34.10 | linuxdude2 | ok then |
| 23:34.19 | linuxdude2 | i'll find some bots to play with |
| 23:34.50 | a_meteorite | I should have realized reading all this backlog would be a waste of my time a few lines in. |
| 23:34.57 | JeffM | yep |
| 23:35.03 | linuxdude2 | yep |
| 23:35.23 | linuxdude2 | u wanna join a_meteorite?? |
| 23:35.32 | linuxdude2 | kick my butt?? |
| 23:36.15 | JeffM | you are still running old software |
| 23:36.20 | a_meteorite | possibly |
| 23:36.22 | linuxdude2 | i know |
| 23:36.28 | linuxdude2 | that's what tomorrow is for |
| 23:36.28 | a_meteorite | you're not on 2.4? |
| 23:36.32 | linuxdude2 | no |
| 23:36.41 | blast007 | a_meteorite: didn't you head? 2.4 isn't in apt |
| 23:36.43 | blast007 | hear* |
| 23:36.47 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 23:36.54 | linuxdude2 | i'm running whatever was in debian's repos |
| 23:37.05 | linuxdude2 | yeah |
| 23:37.08 | linuxdude2 | join?? |
| 23:37.30 | a_meteorite | I'm there |
| 23:37.33 | JeffM | that requires people to have the old version still installed |
| 23:38.00 | JeffM | doesn't the MOTD even say to get 2.4? |
| 23:49.10 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo (~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:49.26 | Sgeo | Is it just my imagination, or is there almost no one on any of the listed servers? |
| 23:49.37 | blast007 | 2.4 servers? |
| 23:49.54 | JeffM | the version in debian/ubuntu is not current |
| 23:49.56 | JeffM | upgrade |
| 23:50.02 | Sgeo | Oh, ok |
| 23:50.21 | blast007 | there's 58 players in 2.4.x |
| 23:50.25 | JeffM | 62 |
| 23:50.26 | Sgeo | Easiest way to do so? |
| 23:50.34 | JeffM | the easiest way is the only way |
| 23:50.37 | JeffM | build from source |
| 23:50.45 | JeffM | get it from svn and build |
| 23:50.45 | blast007 | or install Windows ;) |
| 23:50.49 | blast007 | or get a mac |
| 23:50.51 | JeffM | yeah that's easy too |
| 23:50.52 | Sgeo | There were a few people on the old servers |
| 23:50.56 | JeffM | well the mac version may crash |
| 23:50.59 | blast007 | true |
| 23:51.00 | Sgeo | I think someone should tell them |
| 23:51.02 | JeffM | yep, about 6-8 |
| 23:51.04 | blast007 | Sgeo: we do |
| 23:51.08 | JeffM | the game told you when you started it |
| 23:51.13 | JeffM | the message of the day in chat |
| 23:51.14 | blast007 | MOTD says it |
| 23:51.42 | Sgeo | I feel guilty about not going back on to say something |
| 23:51.44 | JeffM | if you were on windows it would have taken you right to the download for the new version |
| 23:51.50 | Sgeo | Was playing with a small group of people, that was interesting |
| 23:51.51 | JeffM | you do what you gotta do |
| 23:52.07 | Sgeo | I gotta say something |
| 23:52.08 | Sgeo | BRB |
| 23:54.40 | Sgeo | Meh |
| 23:55.24 | Sgeo | uninstalls bzflag, otherwise I'll forget |
| 23:55.34 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8244 10/Getting_Started: /* Downloading and installing the game */ |
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| 23:57.16 | blast007 | maybe I should actually work on the debian stuff :P |
| 23:57.22 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8245 10/Getting_Started: /* Downloading and installing the game */ |
| 23:57.36 | JeffM | whats another month or 2 after 7 |
| 23:58.54 | blast007 | the next Ubuntu LTS will have it for 5 years ;) |
| 23:59.15 | JeffM | so just about right for the next release then |
| 23:59.22 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:59.35 | blast007 | I was thinking about our Lua in 2.99.x |
