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| 03:04.17 | L4m3r | Perhaps the "READ THIS IF YOU ARE BANNED" thread should be cross-posted into General |
| 03:04.58 | JeffM | it mentions that in the rules post, people don't read that |
| 03:05.12 | JeffM | The game should say what to do when you are banned |
| 03:05.23 | JeffM | with a link to bzbb and the owner |
| 03:05.31 | JeffM | since the game now can find out the owner of every server |
| 03:06.13 | JeffM | optimaly the owner could provide a ban appeal URL as well |
| 03:06.58 | L4m3r | not a bad idea |
| 03:07.37 | L4m3r | just make sure the appeal URL isn't something like... well, I don't need to spell it out :) |
| 03:07.57 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 03:08.09 | L4m3r | as funny as it would be |
| 03:08.10 | JeffM | with the current system it is dificult to controll that |
| 03:08.40 | L4m3r | the project could provide an opt-in ban appeal system |
| 03:08.59 | JeffM | possibly |
| 03:09.00 | L4m3r | though that doesn't add much on top of letting you contact the owner |
| 03:09.06 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:09.13 | JeffM | at that point we should just run the servers |
| 03:09.13 | L4m3r | aside from maybe posting the request to more than one person |
| 03:12.52 | JeffM | possibly |
| 03:13.06 | JeffM | there are bigger things to work on if work is going to be done on bzflag IMHO |
| 03:13.30 | L4m3r | yeah, that sounds like a lot of UI work too |
| 03:13.51 | JeffM | and a proto change to the ban message |
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| 04:09.52 | L4m3r | are BZDB permissions/persistence documented anywhere? I'm having trouble finding it in the wiki. |
| 04:15.09 | JeffM | permissions are stored in the groups file IIRC |
| 04:15.13 | JeffM | so that is where they persist |
| 04:18.03 | JeffM | I don't belive a comprehenisive list of permissions for each version exists |
| 04:18.13 | JeffM | but it should be trival to get that list from the code |
| 04:18.26 | L4m3r | I'm talking about the permission "levels" for variables in the API |
| 04:18.44 | JeffM | levels? |
| 04:19.14 | JeffM | oh the var thingy |
| 04:19.19 | JeffM | yeah on the server nothing is persistant |
| 04:19.29 | L4m3r | basically I'd like vars to survive a /reset |
| 04:19.39 | JeffM | those perrms are mostly for the client to know if it can save it or not |
| 04:19.47 | JeffM | no value from the server can be saved in a client config |
| 04:19.53 | JeffM | the server dosn't do that |
| 04:20.05 | JeffM | there is no file for it to store it in |
| 04:20.46 | L4m3r | my only issue now is... well there are a couple issues, but the main one is that custom server variables get borked when someone does /reset * |
| 04:21.12 | JeffM | yeah cus it blows it all back to the state at startup |
| 04:21.28 | L4m3r | other problem is that the server doesn't like to set custom variables from the conf |
| 04:21.34 | JeffM | I don't think the game has the feature to do what you want it to, but I don't think it's hard to add |
| 04:21.37 | L4m3r | but I have not investigated that at length |
| 04:21.46 | JeffM | yeah becuase they don't exist yet |
| 04:21.52 | L4m3r | I think there's an event that I can use |
| 04:21.56 | JeffM | the config is loaded before the plugins register them |
| 04:23.44 | JeffM | ahh here it is |
| 04:24.12 | JeffM | line 4914 in bzfs.cpp is where the rest happens |
| 04:24.17 | JeffM | looks like it is testing some permisions there |
| 04:24.52 | L4m3r | I just don't understand what that and the persistence params are for |
| 04:24.58 | JeffM | the client |
| 04:25.11 | JeffM | remember that bzdb as a class is used on the client as well to write the config |
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| 04:25.22 | JeffM | so the same code has to handle both cases |
| 04:25.56 | JeffM | looks like it won't be reset if it was set to ReadOnly |
| 04:26.24 | JeffM | otherwise it calls BZDB.getDefault |
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| 15:57.53 | Guest620 | hello\ |
| 15:58.05 | blast007 | hi |
| 15:58.36 | Guest620 | would you know how to appeal getting banned? |
| 15:59.04 | I_Died_Once | which server? |
| 15:59.05 | blast007 | contact the admin that banned you and/or the server owner. |
| 15:59.20 | Guest620 | moogle, by TheFog |
| 15:59.49 | I_Died_Once | goodness, what did you do? |
| 15:59.51 | blast007 | if you look up the server on http://bzstats.strayer.de it will show you the server owner name |
| 16:00.15 | Guest620 | i like to fly around, and he wont allow it.. i have to always fight |
| 16:01.13 | blast007 | this is a bzflag 2.0 server? |
| 16:01.30 | Guest620 | i think so |
| 16:01.38 | blast007 | there's a lot more servers on 2.4 that you could play on |
| 16:01.50 | blast007 | you should upgrade your client |
| 16:02.18 | Guest620 | i m a terrible player and at least i can stay alive on that one for a while. i had a bad car accident and im not good at video games |
| 16:02.35 | I_Died_Once | You can come to my server and fly around as much as you..... can! |
| 16:02.54 | Guest620 | what server? |
| 16:03.28 | I_Died_Once | let me know when you've upgraded your bzfalg to 2.4 and we'll talk |
| 16:03.42 | blast007 | Guest620: he's referring to the mofo server |
| 16:03.59 | Guest620 | ive got 2.4 on some pc |
| 16:04.41 | I_Died_Once | people still play 2.0 ? |
| 16:04.44 | Guest620 | i dont see contact info for the moogle server, if hes the owner i guess thats it |
| 16:05.08 | Guest620 | but i see lots of admins that play on that map |
| 16:05.19 | blast007 | 2.0 didn't support that feature |
| 16:05.20 | I_Died_Once | i wouldnt sweat the ban. upgrade your client and leave them in Jurassic Park |
| 16:05.47 | I_Died_Once | if they want to ban what seven people that still play.... |
| 16:05.55 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:06.08 | Guest620 | not too many play on 2.0... thats the only map i didnt end up with a minus one billion score |
| 16:06.17 | I_Died_Once | are there any pre-2.0 servers in operation? |
| 16:06.42 | Guest620 | is there like a head honcho in general, or does it go by server |
| 16:06.47 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: at most probably one, and it would be the "upgrade-your-client-at.bzflag.org" one on 1.7 ;) |
| 16:07.34 | blast007 | Guest620: it's by server |
| 16:07.40 | Guest620 | ok |
| 16:07.54 | I_Died_Once | by the time you get it figured out the ban will likely to have expired |
| 16:08.01 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:08.39 | Guest620 | no, he banned me for a day, but i played on a windows machine w/ a different name |
| 16:08.53 | I_Died_Once | thats ban evasion |
| 16:09.22 | I_Died_Once | you should have taken that time to reflect on what you have done |
| 16:09.34 | Guest620 | hes totally unreasonable, he kicks people off w/ no warning |
| 16:10.21 | Guest620 | if anyone says anything he doesnt like he bans them, i didnt do anything, i flew around. i guess thats a crime |
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| 16:12.12 | I_Died_Once | if you're smart enough to find your way here, do bz on multiple machines... then put together your own 2.0 server locally and you can add wings with as many wings jumps as you want and fly to your hearts content |
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| 16:13.14 | Guest620 | ha!, im not that smart... i dont even have a home networ.. im old scool |
| 16:13.31 | I_Died_Once | you can do it on yuor own machine |
| 16:13.38 | I_Died_Once | no need for a network |
| 16:13.49 | I_Died_Once | mind you no one else will likely be able to join... |
| 16:14.01 | Guest620 | yeah, i dont know about that stuff |
| 16:14.06 | I_Died_Once | then again, with it being 2.0, thats unlikely anyway |
| 16:14.20 | I_Died_Once | then upgrade your client |
| 16:14.44 | Guest620 | its a good map, tanks are fast , and if yous tink you can stay out of people way |
| 16:14.52 | Guest620 | (stink) |
| 16:14.53 | I_Died_Once | The Passion of the Free For All has, like, 9999 wing jumps |
| 16:15.16 | I_Died_Once | you wont be disappointed |
| 16:15.54 | Guest620 | well ill just try logging in in a day or too... are bans permanent of just for a day? |
| 16:16.06 | I_Died_Once | gotta go ask whoever this moogle character is |
| 16:16.12 | Guest620 | oh |
| 16:16.36 | Guest620 | oh well, thanks for the help |
| 16:16.42 | I_Died_Once | bless your heart |
| 16:16.48 | Guest620 | thx |
| 16:17.11 | I_Died_Once | bless his heart |
| 16:17.52 | I_Died_Once | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bless+your+heart |
| 16:18.36 | mdskpr_ | lol |
| 16:19.19 | Quol | now now I_Died_Once :) |
| 16:20.20 | Quol | the "correct" thing to do would be to tell him to "hack" the server owner, point him to the download of some "delete C drive" hack tool, and then tell him that the server owners IP address is 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:21.56 | I_Died_Once | or tell him the answers to his problem lies at tubgirl....... |
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| 18:58.51 | khonkhortisan | I'm working on having different radar positions, is it acceptable to use controlPanel->resize(); every frame or should I tie it to when the gui is changed? |
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| 19:22.09 | JeffM | you should only compute things when they change |
| 19:22.26 | khonkhortisan | okay then it's not ready yet |
| 19:22.48 | JeffM | what do you mean by "radar positions"? |
| 19:23.22 | khonkhortisan | radar on the right of the message box and radar centered with the message box under it |
| 19:23.35 | JeffM | how doyou center it? |
| 19:23.42 | JeffM | oh in the middle |
| 19:23.44 | JeffM | yeah icky |
| 19:23.57 | JeffM | there is a design document for map view, did you read that? |
| 19:24.10 | khonkhortisan | no, where is that? |
| 19:24.14 | JeffM | wiki |
| 19:25.01 | JeffM | or there was at one point |
| 19:25.04 | JeffM | trying to find it now |
| 19:25.13 | khonkhortisan | me too |
| 19:25.24 | khonkhortisan | I kept the radar size restrictions |
| 19:25.56 | JeffM | http://wiki.bzflag.org/MapView |
| 19:26.06 | JeffM | I had some mockups as well |
| 19:26.19 | JeffM | the idea is to overlay the map over the 3d view in a transperant manner |
| 19:26.33 | JeffM | insted of making the radar be the primary input for play |
| 19:26.42 | JeffM | because BZ is suposed to be a 3d game |
| 19:27.21 | JeffM | I don't mind the map right, tha'ts a good option |
| 19:27.27 | JeffM | radar right I mean |
| 19:27.33 | JeffM | I do mind radar center |
| 19:27.41 | JeffM | as I think it will cover too much of the display |
| 19:27.51 | khonkhortisan | so I could remove the centered radar for now and just have left or right |
| 19:28.07 | JeffM | I'd be more willing to accept that as a patch |
| 19:28.40 | khonkhortisan | I get annoyed by the messages being in the center of the screen with the radar as large as the config file allows |
| 19:29.12 | JeffM | well the fact that you have to have the radar as large as most want it means our gameplay is broken :) |
| 19:29.22 | JeffM | but yes, I understand the concern |
| 19:29.28 | khonkhortisan | As to how, I edited ControlPanel.cxx ControlPanel::resize() |
| 19:29.29 | JeffM | our message placement is crap too |
| 19:30.37 | JeffM | this is what I was thinking of, http://www.awesomelaser.com/crap/mapview.png |
| 19:30.50 | khonkhortisan | Yes, I've noticed bzflag isn't really ready for a centered radar only having back opacity instead of front opacity |
| 19:31.14 | JeffM | yeah when it's centerd it the current methods don't make sense |
| 19:32.00 | JeffM | I don't like the fact that a large pannel covers up the movment and aiming sights |
| 19:33.13 | JeffM | personaly I think that the current radar is overpowered |
| 19:33.48 | JeffM | but I understand that it's what many people like about the game, the fact that it's almost 2d |
| 19:34.57 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8240 10/MapView: add categories to make the page easier to find |
| 19:36.39 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/File:MockUPMapview.png: |
| 19:38.01 | khonkhortisan | Does the radar currently have a north-up option? |
| 19:38.05 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8242 10/MapView: Add image |
| 19:38.13 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 19:38.22 | JeffM | I think it is always tank centric |
| 19:38.56 | JeffM | and that makes sense since the radar is suposed to be mounted on the tank |
| 19:39.05 | JeffM | even if it can see through all things |
| 19:40.46 | khonkhortisan | In your opinion, for putting the radar on the left/right, should it be in the gui or just in the config file, and if it is in the gui, should it require a restart/rejoin or be intantaneous? |
| 19:41.12 | JeffM | gui and instant |
| 19:41.26 | JeffM | no other gui changes require a restart |
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| 20:47.35 | khonkhortisan | Now that it resizes at the right time and I don't have centered as an option, I see that I'm off by a pixel. |
| 20:47.47 | JeffM | heh |
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| 21:02.31 | khonkhortisan | odd. I have my radar style set as fast sorted, move the radar right and left, then it appears as if it's enhanced style. |
| 21:03.07 | khonkhortisan | It works perfectly except for that |
| 21:03.36 | JeffM | step through it in a debuger and see what's setting it to that mode |
| 21:05.28 | khonkhortisan | It displays on radar as enhanced, shows up in the gui as normal, and is actually fast sorted. My brother is better than me at debugging |
| 21:07.17 | JeffM | the debuger should help you step into the code and see what the variables are set to |
| 21:15.12 | khonkhortisan | okay newbie question: how do I compile debug? |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM | depends on your compiler |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM | you on linux? |
| 21:15.47 | khonkhortisan | yes suse |
| 21:16.01 | JeffM | I belive it's --enable-debug during the configure step |
| 21:16.17 | JeffM | I just press F7 :) |
| 21:17.09 | khonkhortisan | eclipse? |
| 21:17.26 | JeffM | Visual C++ |
| 21:19.13 | khonkhortisan | I always thought that was a graphical programming language not an ide :) |
| 21:28.50 | JeffM | it is an IDE for C++ |
| 21:29.24 | JeffM | the visual part is that it shows you how the classes relate and has a gui editor for Win32, MFC, and .net |
| 21:30.11 | JeffM | it's very similar to kdevelop and monodev |
| 21:32.26 | JeffM | tho I guess it's called "Visual Studio" techincaly since it supports a bunch of langauges |
| 21:32.45 | khonkhortisan | technically you didn't buy windows |
| 21:32.55 | JeffM | yeah you license it |
| 21:33.24 | JeffM | except on rare ocations all software is licensed |
| 21:33.49 | khonkhortisan | like bzflag? |
| 21:33.50 | JeffM | people don't own linux ether, they just are granted a generous license. |
| 21:33.53 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:33.59 | JeffM | you don't own bzflag ether |
| 21:34.00 | JeffM | Tim does |
| 21:34.07 | JeffM | he's just very kind |
| 21:37.51 | khonkhortisan | what about foundations? like blender and the document foundation? Do the foundations themselves own the software? |
| 21:38.03 | JeffM | yes if they are the copyright holder |
| 21:38.09 | JeffM | only the copyright holder owns the software |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM | since they can change the license |
| 21:38.46 | JeffM | you don't even own the bios software in your computer |
| 21:40.01 | JeffM | In our case, tim can do whatever he wants with the software and don't have to follow the license |
| 21:40.15 | JeffM | but we have to follow the license because we don't own the code |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM | Tim could sell the codebase to a closed source group if he wanted to |
| 21:40.57 | JeffM | or change the license to something silly like "you must send me 5 stale peeps if you use the software" |
| 21:42.11 | khonkhortisan | soulfu has an "I swear I did something nice" clause |
| 21:42.28 | JeffM | yeah you can put whatever you want in a license |
| 21:42.51 | JeffM | it all just depends on how enforcable you want it to be |
| 21:44.46 | khonkhortisan | haha I think I just found my problem |
| 21:44.52 | khonkhortisan | else if (name == "radarPosition") |
| 21:44.53 | khonkhortisan | radarStyle = BZDB.evalInt("radarPosition"); |
| 21:45.02 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:45.07 | JeffM | yeah probalby want to split those |
| 21:45.35 | khonkhortisan | it was a bad copy |
| 21:45.48 | JeffM | ahh |
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| 22:00.07 | khonkhortisan | And, one case of double border later, it looks like I'm done. |
| 22:02.20 | khonkhortisan | On a regular client, is the top of the message box one pixel lower than the top of the radar? |
| 22:02.48 | JeffM | would not suprize me |
| 22:02.52 | JeffM | just make it look purdy :) |
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| 22:08.23 | khonkhortisan | just checked, it's normally that way. I'm going to leave it. |
| 22:10.34 | khonkhortisan | submitted. |
| 22:12.03 | JeffM | cooleo |
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| 23:25.27 | khonkhortisan | where are the approved feature requests? |
| 23:27.36 | JeffM | in the code |
| 23:27.42 | JeffM | there are some eval ones in sourceforge |
| 23:27.59 | JeffM | nobody has evaluated them so we can't approve them yet |
| 23:32.59 | khonkhortisan | I'm looking for good ideas to write patches for that would be more likely to be added in instead of writing my own patches where I don't know how well they will do |
| 23:33.32 | JeffM | hard to say |
| 23:33.43 | JeffM | honestly it'd be better to make patches for bug fixes |
| 23:34.09 | JeffM | but a lot of fixes, and fetures require a protocoll change so they have to wait for the next major release |
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