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| 00:20.54 | Constitution | list server is down |
| 00:21.59 | Constitution | like literally down, not even responding to pings |
| 00:22.18 | brad | ~ping blast007 |
| 00:22.18 | ibot | pong blast007 |
| 00:22.34 | JeffM | maybe he's upgrading it |
| 00:22.52 | blast007 | nope, probably ran out of space again ;) |
| 00:23.05 | blast007 | if so, I'll probably just give in and upgrade it |
| 00:23.09 | JeffM | Constitution, did you use VBOs in your project? |
| 00:24.14 | blast007 | hmm, control panel says it's online |
| 00:24.29 | Constitution | I don't think so... just vertex buffers iirc... if that even makes sense |
| 00:25.18 | mdskpr_ | its good now |
| 00:25.40 | JeffM | vertex arrays |
| 00:25.40 | blast007 | guess it was just a network blip. still has over a day of uptime (I updated the kernel the other day) |
| 00:25.47 | JeffM | so that does make sense |
| 00:26.04 | blast007 | (and still has a whole 1.4GB of free space!) |
| 00:26.11 | Constitution | yeah, it was server-side though... whatever those are called |
| 00:26.21 | JeffM | that would be buffer object then |
| 00:26.37 | JeffM | so yeah a Vertext Buffer Object, vbo |
| 00:27.04 | JeffM | or maybe I have them confused |
| 00:27.09 | Constitution | ok :) obviously I'm not the best student |
| 00:27.45 | Constitution | I thought VBOs are an even newer (like >=3.0) thing |
| 00:29.05 | JeffM | that's what I'm trying to figure out, I see statments like this, "OpenGL 3.1 and above no longer allow the use of vertex arrays without buffer objects." |
| 00:29.21 | JeffM | does that mean gernic VBOs replace Vertex Arrays? |
| 00:29.51 | Constitution | I thought "vertex arrays" refers to client-side data |
| 00:30.00 | JeffM | that would make sense |
| 00:30.38 | JeffM | I have a bunch of static geometry so I think I want to shove it into a VBO to be server side |
| 00:31.12 | Constitution | how are you drawing it now? |
| 00:31.29 | JeffM | GL.Vertex3f(); |
| 00:31.31 | JeffM | in a list |
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| 00:32.48 | Constitution | yeah iirc there was a tremendous performance gain when I switched from from lists to vert buffers |
| 00:35.09 | Constitution | just seemed awfully complicated to set them up |
| 00:35.33 | JeffM | it's just indexed data, I have something similar to that now |
| 00:38.31 | Constitution | yeah, I mean all the GL commands to set up and use the buffers... not terribly intuitive |
| 00:39.19 | JeffM | yeah you need to understand where it's going in the card |
| 00:39.26 | JeffM | and that it's going to be walked by a shader program |
| 00:39.40 | JeffM | so it all needs constant offsets and the like |
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| 12:54.56 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22398 10/trunk/bzflag/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): Adding local interface setting (UPnP) and give hints during configure |
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| 20:17.43 | WarPig | Anyone know who is responsible for the 'Play History Tracker' plugin? |
| 20:18.13 | blast007 | it's an official plugin, so any dev could be "responsible" for it :) |
| 20:18.22 | WarPig | Hi blast :) |
| 20:18.29 | blast007 | 'allo :) |
| 20:18.30 | WarPig | nSo... I found a bug I think. |
| 20:18.38 | blast007 | ~n |
| 20:18.38 | ibot | i heard n is a letter after m |
| 20:18.49 | blast007 | pfft. |
| 20:18.51 | WarPig | ibot, ur my hero |
| 20:20.04 | blast007 | ~n |
| 20:20.04 | ibot | n is probably the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 20:20.06 | blast007 | there :P |
| 20:20.18 | blast007 | so what bug? |
| 20:20.21 | WarPig | So, I have this incognito callsign, I just changed it the name. When I sign on to a server, it announces the OLD name along with the ranking. |
| 20:20.48 | blast007 | oh, that's not that plugin then |
| 20:20.58 | WarPig | Hmmm |
| 20:21.05 | blast007 | unless I'm thinking of the wrong one - let me check |
| 20:21.30 | WarPig | I have hidden admin on Mofo. I changed the name and the darn plugin ratted me out. |
| 20:21.31 | blast007 | playHistoryTracker is the one that does the killing sprees |
| 20:21.41 | blast007 | lol |
| 20:21.44 | WarPig | Ohh. |
| 20:21.50 | blast007 | that's a plugin that they wrote |
| 20:22.04 | blast007 | KTL did that one afaik |
| 20:22.15 | WarPig | ok |
| 20:22.21 | blast007 | pokes KTL with a stick |
| 20:22.42 | blast007 | you could pester him on the mofo channel as well |
| 20:22.56 | blast007 | or PM him on the forum |
| 20:23.06 | WarPig | You know what the name of the plugin is? |
| 20:23.45 | WarPig | PM... pfft. I PM'd YOU on the forum. You just ignore me. :P |
| 20:24.58 | blast007 | you musta ignored my reply, then ;) |
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| 20:25.23 | blast007 | and no, I don't know the name of the plugin |
| 20:25.26 | khonkhortisan | If I use a fullscreen radar, do I also have to reduce my screen resolution? |
| 20:25.38 | WarPig | Ahh.. Maybe so. Sorry, grew up in a Luthern family. I have the guilt trip gene. |
| 20:26.20 | blast007 | WarPig: yeah, sent two hours ago.. still in the outbox :P |
| 20:26.29 | WarPig | ... |
| 20:27.11 | WarPig | Well, I'll go out on a limb and assume you were able to help me... So thanks... :) |
| 20:27.21 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:27.34 | WarPig | n/me saunters off to the bb |
| 20:27.37 | WarPig | ngrr |
| 20:29.38 | khonkhortisan | My question is, what is the maximum screen resolution allowed for using full screen radar? |
| 20:29.55 | blast007 | 320x240 |
| 20:30.53 | blast007 | we do not have a "full screen radar", so there is no answer to your question |
| 20:31.20 | blast007 | nothing "official", anyway |
| 20:31.39 | blast007 | you'll have to putz around with it |
| 20:31.53 | khonkhortisan | it used to be in 2.0.2 but it was removed later |
| 20:32.59 | WarPig | blast007: Reactivated... thanks. |
| 20:33.25 | blast007 | np |
| 20:34.40 | KTL | mmm |
| 20:34.43 | KTL | blast007, mmm |
| 20:35.02 | KTL | knows nothing about playHistoryTracker |
| 20:36.09 | khonkhortisan | that didn't go so well for kde |
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| 20:43.49 | khonkhortisan | My radar will go up to 660x660 on a 1440x900 screen so if I were to use fullscreen radar I would have to restrict my resolution to 660, right? |
| 20:44.17 | JeffM | we don't have a fullscreen option |
| 20:45.36 | khonkhortisan | okay, that's enough people telling me I can't for me to believe them, I'll go find something else to change |
| 20:45.52 | TD-Linux | there is always the source :) |
| 20:46.36 | blast007 | KTL: he was talking about your ranking plugin - had the wrong plugin name |
| 20:46.40 | JeffM | the limit is percent based, not pixel based |
| 20:46.53 | khonkhortisan | A thread on the forum said it was only a change of one number, but I just want to make sure nothing I do cheating |
| 20:47.15 | JeffM | depends who you talk to |
| 20:47.33 | blast007 | if you're unsure if it's cheating, it probably is :) |
| 20:48.17 | khonkhortisan | no I still have to ask if it's not obvious |
| 20:48.41 | JeffM | it's not us to ask |
| 20:48.50 | JeffM | it would be whatever authority would ban you for cheating |
| 20:48.54 | JeffM | so whatever leauge you play in |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM | if I were to play in GU my debug build is a cheat to some of the admins |
| 20:49.33 | khonkhortisan | I play in no league so I can get away with more - no that's just a joke |
| 20:49.48 | Tupone | Anyone tested UPnP changes on a real server ? |
| 20:50.09 | JeffM | I think a number of people play with fullscreen radar mods |
| 20:51.24 | JeffM | what is UPnP? |
| 20:51.29 | khonkhortisan | so I could have two clients and have fullscreen radar in my sig and that would be okay unless someone told me not to? |
| 20:51.54 | JeffM | nobody can tell you what to do |
| 20:51.57 | JeffM | we can't |
| 20:52.07 | Tupone | Router protocol |
| 20:52.12 | JeffM | tim gave you the same license he gave us, do whatever you want |
| 20:52.24 | Tupone | you can discover external ip address |
| 20:52.36 | Tupone | and set port forwarding with home router |
| 20:52.39 | JeffM | so it's easier to run a crappy server on a home DSL? |
| 20:52.44 | Tupone | yep |
| 20:52.48 | JeffM | joy |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM | shooting for 5 servers per player? :) |
| 20:53.03 | I_Died_Once | port forwarding > uPnP |
| 20:53.04 | JeffM | it builds on windows |
| 20:53.30 | Tupone | It needs miniupnpc |
| 20:53.37 | Tupone | There is a version for windows |
| 20:53.38 | JeffM | yeah I see you #defed it |
| 20:53.43 | JeffM | nobody runs on windows |
| 20:54.17 | Tupone | I will add more facility to it then now |
| 20:54.22 | khonkhortisan | that's really not the answer I expected I guess I just learned something new |
| 20:54.39 | JeffM | khonkhortisan, the project does not decide how people use the software |
| 20:54.41 | JeffM | we don't run servers |
| 20:54.50 | JeffM | so it's not up to us what you do on servers |
| 20:54.56 | JeffM | each server makes it's own rules |
| 20:55.10 | JeffM | adding fullscreen radar won't cause us to do anything against you |
| 20:55.30 | JeffM | Tupone, you are not including the dependency in /src/other right? |
| 20:56.13 | JeffM | oh god.. it requires mingw |
| 21:00.12 | Tupone | not now |
| 21:00.33 | JeffM | you probably don't need to bother unless it's super popular on linux |
| 21:00.33 | Tupone | mingw? :( |
| 21:00.38 | Tupone | I saw MSVC |
| 21:00.41 | JeffM | I won't be making the windows build use it |
| 21:00.46 | JeffM | what page did you use |
| 21:00.52 | JeffM | the one I saw said mingw |
| 21:01.02 | JeffM | even if it's vc, there is no point |
| 21:01.11 | JeffM | there are so many other problems hosting on windows |
| 21:01.22 | JeffM | I am pondering removing the server from the package for windows |
| 21:01.56 | blast007 | do we still have the 'start server' thing in the client? |
| 21:02.06 | Tupone | That is the page: http://miniupnp.free.fr/ but I saw MSVC directory on the source |
| 21:02.10 | JeffM | did we only get rid of that for V3? |
| 21:02.43 | JeffM | yeah that's the page I was on |
| 21:03.09 | JeffM | not an easy page to get around |
| 21:03.29 | Tupone | If there is a better library, short on kbyte and portable, I can change the code |
| 21:03.55 | JeffM | I have not heard of anyone ask for this feature so your guess is as good as mine :) |
| 21:04.13 | blast007 | I don't think it helps anyone with a decent hosting situation |
| 21:04.40 | blast007 | it simply lowers the bar of entry to people who don't even know how to configure their router |
| 21:05.06 | Tupone | if you have a DSL home with dynamic ip it helps |
| 21:05.12 | JeffM | the MSVC build stuff dosn't work with out smething to run configure |
| 21:05.19 | blast007 | Tupone: not really |
| 21:05.36 | JeffM | as it seems miniupnpcstrings.h is generated by configure, and one is not included that I can find |
| 21:05.49 | blast007 | it only helps if you don't get yourself a free dynamic DNS name from the many providers out there |
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| 21:11.48 | JeffM | I was able to make a fake header and get it to build |
| 21:12.01 | JeffM | but I am still not inclined to use it |
| 21:12.12 | JeffM | I have not see anyone want to host on windows |
| 21:12.37 | JeffM | and we have no non-MS external dependencies right now that we don't include |
| 21:13.08 | Tupone | I don't think the client gain having UPnP. IIRC there is no need to mess with the router, MASQ works well for it |
| 21:15.09 | Tupone | But for the server there is some use of it. If you like I can put some port forwarding in, or drop the code |
| 21:15.36 | JeffM | that's fine for linux if you want |
| 21:15.45 | JeffM | I assume you will make it optional? |
| 21:16.01 | Tupone | yep it is, and is never used unless really asked for |
| 21:16.07 | JeffM | then that's fine |
| 21:16.18 | JeffM | linux already has a few optional libs |
| 21:16.25 | JeffM | what's one more |
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| 21:16.25 | Tupone | you need -UPnP option for the server to use it |
| 21:16.55 | JeffM | are you going to require it as a build dependency? |
| 21:18.03 | Tupone | not really, You have to add --enable-UPnP at configure time to add it. And if not found it raise a warning only, the -UPnP options is removed |
| 21:18.12 | Tupone | then |
| 21:18.21 | JeffM | I'm fine with that |
| 21:19.23 | Tupone | Ok, I will add port forwarding the next days, and expect to have some feedback (hopefully) |
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| 21:49.13 | JeffM | if he dosn't tell someone to specificly build and use it, he ain't getting any feedback on it |
| 22:01.44 | khonkhortisan | Would it make sense for a radar shot guide to be a server setting? |
| 22:03.13 | JeffM | it's possible not everyone would want it |
| 22:03.30 | JeffM | is the GPS settting in your car mandated by the goverment? |
| 22:04.26 | khonkhortisan | I see what you mean. It can't be a client setting, and if it was a server setting, why would you be able to turn it off |
| 22:06.23 | JeffM | yeah, I don't even think it should be anywhere, thats the skill of bzflag, bouncing shots off of things |
| 22:16.19 | khonkhortisan | I just found something annoying: opening a patch in kate only takes one click, so if I'm compiling, the files are moving all over and I can miss |
| 22:17.25 | JeffM | you are trying to apply a patch while compiling? |
| 22:17.57 | khonkhortisan | no, just open it in a text editor. |
| 22:18.34 | JeffM | you put your patches in the /src dir? |
| 22:18.49 | JeffM | and yeah I always felt it was lame that linux puts it's obj files in the src dir |
| 22:18.55 | JeffM | thats why I put them in a build dir on windows |
| 22:19.02 | JeffM | keems em away from stuff |
| 23:03.32 | JeffM | blast007, do you have a sample banlist I can use for a test? |
| 23:03.41 | JeffM | or anyone? |
| 23:04.26 | mdskpr_ | here is the norang one: http://bzflag.norang.ca/masterban.txt |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM | thanks, what's the command to load it? |
| 23:04.43 | JeffM | -banlist file? |
| 23:05.00 | mdskpr_ | -banfile |
| 23:07.00 | JeffM | thanks, that worked great |
| 23:07.05 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22399 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: use the API chat send message for sending the ban list since it buffers the chat. |
| 23:07.30 | JeffM | sending buffered chat is easy, it's buffering the rest of the messages like flags that is hard |
| 23:35.31 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22400 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 23:36.32 | JeffM | crap.. I don't think I wanted to do that |
| 23:38.17 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22401 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: put back a change that wasn't supposed to be checked in yet (using buffered messages for flag sends to not flood out the network connection on windows) |
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