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| 03:21.55 | JeffM | spam glorious spam.. |
| 03:24.08 | Foo_man_choo | -_- |
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| 07:40.28 | allejo | so I be getting this error on Mac? |
| 07:40.29 | allejo | In file included from PlatformFactory.cxx:14: |
| 07:40.29 | allejo | ../../include/bzfSDL.h:22:32: error: SDL/SDL_getenv.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:40.37 | allejo | s/so/should |
| 07:41.52 | allejo | this is with the current revision |
| 07:48.33 | Constitution | anything change since your last successful build? is SDL installed? what version? |
| 07:51.09 | allejo | sdl 1.2.15 |
| 07:52.11 | allejo | and the only change was me removing inferring sdl versions |
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| 08:32.39 | I_Died_Once | i dunno about mac but make sure you have files needed for compiling with sdl |
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| 14:20.30 | blast007 | allejo: did you re-run configure after removing the other SDL versions? probably need to do so again so that the build system picks up the right SDL to use. |
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| 17:42.51 | blast007 | JeffM: nice, his development system is a 1GHz single-core? ;D |
| 17:45.28 | blast007 | must be a PIII |
| 17:45.48 | JeffM | I'm betting an atom |
| 17:49.06 | blast007 | ouch |
| 17:50.14 | JeffM | I tested in a vm and it's only a few seconds |
| 17:50.26 | JeffM | so it has to be something ether with no ram or no cache |
| 17:50.56 | blast007 | or a slow disk |
| 17:50.57 | JeffM | but that may just be the machine he had to throw linux on, since we know he was working on windows before |
| 17:51.09 | JeffM | Im betting it's a netbook with linux |
| 17:51.16 | blast007 | could be |
| 17:51.20 | blast007 | maybe a slow SSD |
| 17:51.38 | JeffM | or one of those "green" drives |
| 17:51.43 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:51.52 | JeffM | I hate my green drive |
| 17:51.56 | JeffM | it clicks all the time |
| 17:52.18 | blast007 | WD Black ftw. |
| 17:58.18 | JeffM | they aint' cheap these days |
| 18:12.07 | blast007 | yeah, been a while since I've bought a drive. having new storage withdrawal... |
| 18:14.56 | blast007 | still around $250 for a 2TB WD black.. |
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| 19:22.57 | brad | ~poke blast007 |
| 19:22.57 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind blast007, pokes blast007 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:23.01 | brad | list server down :x |
| 19:23.50 | blast007 | very down |
| 19:25.28 | blast007 | I like how it just randomly go down |
| 19:25.32 | blast007 | goes* |
| 19:25.38 | blast007 | "Status: Offline" :P |
| 19:26.36 | blast007 | back up now |
| 19:27.56 | brad | heh |
| 19:27.56 | brad | thanks |
| 20:12.49 | L4m3r | blast007: ping |
| 20:13.50 | Quol | blast007, a two years ago I had to replace 3 SATA drives on the server that used to host my bzfs servers - and then it was about $150 for 250GB, so, 250$ for 2TB by comparison is still pretty good (not great) but alright.. |
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| 20:19.26 | JeffM | blast007, want to throw a backup copy on a VPS I have to see if its any more stable? |
| 20:24.51 | JeffM | Quol, a 2 tb drive was under 100$ before the floods |
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| 20:44.24 | brad | hmm |
| 20:44.30 | brad | ~poke blast007 |
| 20:44.30 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind blast007, pokes blast007 repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:44.55 | brad | i haven't been able to login with global since it came back |
| 20:45.14 | brad | figured it was just me, so left it a while. but can't login to forum either it seems. |
| 20:45.23 | brad | and when i try to reset pass i get: "The e-mail/username information submitted could not be found." |
| 20:45.43 | L4m3r | brad: yeah, I'm having issues too. did your posts vanish? |
| 20:46.00 | brad | will check |
| 20:46.09 | brad | seems my profile is gone though |
| 20:46.13 | brad | http://forums.bzflag.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3030 <- used to be there |
| 20:46.25 | L4m3r | mine too XD |
| 20:46.45 | L4m3r | also, ingame it says my callsign is registered, but on bzbb it gives a username error |
| 20:46.57 | brad | ya, posts are gone too |
| 20:46.57 | brad | and same;) |
| 20:47.09 | JeffM | did you pay your forum subscription? |
| 20:47.13 | brad | clearly not :( |
| 20:47.23 | JeffM | I always pay it after the gravity bill |
| 20:47.55 | JeffM | where is his vps located? |
| 20:49.28 | brad | "thrustvps" according to whois |
| 20:50.38 | JeffM | hmmm dosn't make me feel good that the webiste says they are in "beta" |
| 20:51.32 | L4m3r | like that even means anything anymore :P |
| 20:52.21 | JeffM | well I have vpss in LA and Chicago, so we can set up a backup and see if anything is better |
| 20:57.03 | JeffM | or we can just let it die down |
| 21:01.13 | JeffM | L4m3r, suposedly your plugin is buggy, are you going to have time to fix it? or should we take it out of the 2.4.2 release? |
| 21:01.49 | L4m3r | it's a little ugly but afaik it's still fully functional |
| 21:01.53 | L4m3r | how soon are we talking? |
| 21:02.01 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, was sayin it was not stable |
| 21:02.12 | JeffM | the 2.4.2 release is to get a debian package out |
| 21:02.17 | JeffM | and we can probalby do that any day now |
| 21:02.54 | L4m3r | well, the only issue I'm aware of is the flag drop |
| 21:03.19 | JeffM | can you get with him and see what he's talking about then? |
| 21:03.30 | L4m3r | yeah sure |
| 21:05.53 | JeffM | thanks |
| 21:06.14 | L4m3r | I think the best solution will be to change the API, rather than the plugin... IMO, in the absence of an "allow flag grab" event, zapping a flag in the existing grab event really doesn't sound like an unusual thing to be doing |
| 21:06.43 | JeffM | we can do that, but it's more testing |
| 21:07.02 | JeffM | if thats what we need to do then I'd put the plugin in a branch and make that change after 2.4.2 |
| 21:07.05 | L4m3r | it's a move of one line of code, I think |
| 21:07.24 | JeffM | well and the addition of a new event |
| 21:07.35 | L4m3r | for the issue that I'm aware of, all it would take is sending the flag grab event AFTER the flag grab message :) |
| 21:08.02 | JeffM | the current messge is a notification right? not an allow |
| 21:08.12 | JeffM | we want to split notificaiton and allow events |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM | cus we cant ensure the order they are called in for plugins |
| 21:08.31 | L4m3r | as it exists, yes. I don't know why it fires before the message, perhaps it was originally designed to do both |
| 21:08.43 | JeffM | what is the message name? |
| 21:08.53 | L4m3r | let me look |
| 21:09.22 | JeffM | bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent |
| 21:09.26 | JeffM | ? |
| 21:09.30 | L4m3r | yes |
| 21:09.39 | L4m3r | and MsgGrabFlag |
| 21:09.57 | JeffM | the event is called after the flag is transfered in the player structure |
| 21:10.04 | JeffM | calling it after the message won't change anything |
| 21:10.13 | JeffM | the message takes time to send |
| 21:10.24 | JeffM | you want a message to prevent the capture in the first place right? |
| 21:10.39 | L4m3r | no, this is to prevent the flag from being grabbed |
| 21:11.07 | JeffM | bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent does not controll the flag at all, it just notifies you that one was grabbed |
| 21:11.18 | L4m3r | as it works now, the player grabs and it drops instantly as intended... but the console says "L4m3r: Grabbed Flag" |
| 21:11.22 | JeffM | you want an event where you can say "NO you can't have that flag" right? |
| 21:11.36 | JeffM | and just prevent the entire grab |
| 21:11.38 | L4m3r | that would be better but that is not how it is presently implemented |
| 21:11.53 | JeffM | well I assume you want an API change to make it better :) |
| 21:12.06 | JeffM | yes calling a drop in the event would not be good |
| 21:12.11 | L4m3r | yes, but that's not something that we can/should do right this instant |
| 21:12.14 | JeffM | the network order is not ensureed for that |
| 21:12.25 | JeffM | actualy adding an event for that is pretty easy |
| 21:12.38 | L4m3r | right, but it'd need testing for 2.4.2 right? |
| 21:12.56 | JeffM | none of the other plguins would call it |
| 21:13.05 | JeffM | so it's less risky then changing an existing message |
| 21:15.02 | L4m3r | well, the plugin fix would probably be just waiting until the next tick to zap the flag |
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| 21:17.17 | JeffM | that's lame |
| 21:17.31 | L4m3r | agreed |
| 21:17.57 | L4m3r | that's why, in the short term, I'd prefer to tweak the API ;) |
| 21:18.07 | JeffM | I'm looking into that now |
| 21:18.13 | blast007 | bleh, I'll have to restore the database backup when I get home |
| 21:21.14 | L4m3r | I've got a server building to test it against fairctf |
| 21:22.24 | blast007 | brad: issue will be resolved soon-ish |
| 21:22.39 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22383 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): Add bz_eAllowFlagGrab event to let plug-ins deny a grab |
| 21:22.41 | brad | thx ^^ |
| 21:22.47 | JeffM | L4m3r, give that a shot |
| 21:26.32 | L4m3r | lol, a quick grep would also seem to indicate that the only plugin in the source tree other than fairCTF that calls the flag grab event is the custom flag sample :P |
| 21:31.52 | JeffM | well if we are going to make a change we shoudl make the right change |
| 21:31.59 | JeffM | I don't know how many third party plugins call it |
| 21:32.02 | JeffM | so a new event is better |
| 21:32.15 | L4m3r | mmmhm |
| 21:32.32 | L4m3r | tho I'd argue for both changes, really, they both make some sense |
| 21:32.56 | JeffM | you could not ensure moving the event would cause the messages to come out in that order |
| 21:33.01 | JeffM | specialy if any of them are sent UDP |
| 21:33.21 | JeffM | the API should not be depenent on networking traffic |
| 21:34.09 | L4m3r | right, but wouldn't it still be more logical to at least send them in the correct order? |
| 21:34.26 | JeffM | thats true for a lot of modal messages |
| 21:34.52 | JeffM | I don't like the fact that the code has to send it explicity |
| 21:35.14 | JeffM | what would be nice would be if the gamestate just detected that there was a change in some state for a player and sent it out once each loop |
| 21:35.22 | JeffM | optimaly in it's own thread |
| 21:35.36 | JeffM | then we can toggle it back and forh all we want and the system would take care of sending them |
| 21:36.07 | JeffM | looking at it further, moving that event won't change anything really I think |
| 21:36.13 | JeffM | but conceptualy we should not have to :) |
| 21:36.35 | JeffM | since it's JUST suposed to be notification |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM | not an allow/deny mechanism |
| 21:36.45 | L4m3r | networking delays would also explain why BulletCatcher saw it sometimes and I saw it 100% of the time in local testing :) |
| 21:37.07 | JeffM | yeah, networking allows for anything to be dropped |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM | even TCP |
| 21:37.28 | JeffM | thats why it's better to send no messages rather then 2 |
| 21:38.00 | L4m3r | not dropped, but more that mine came in the order they were sent every time |
| 21:38.24 | JeffM | order can also change |
| 21:38.41 | JeffM | bzflag does not handle lag/packetloss well |
| 21:39.12 | L4m3r | just curious, would the allow event allow me to change the flagID? ;) I can think of some fun/evil uses for that too |
| 21:39.17 | JeffM | no |
| 21:39.41 | JeffM | that would be a different message to move IDs around in the flaglist |
| 21:39.50 | JeffM | since that is state data techincaly |
| 21:40.28 | JeffM | the ID in that message is a copy |
| 21:40.31 | L4m3r | not move the IDs, but to "give" them a different flag than they tried to grab |
| 21:40.49 | JeffM | if we want to give people flags then we should create an arbitrary flag give ability ;) |
| 21:40.59 | JeffM | so no, that is not a feature i'd put in there |
| 21:41.00 | L4m3r | tho perhaps you could just use the flag give and disallow the grab |
| 21:41.27 | JeffM | I'd really like to split out the flag/shot/effet from each other |
| 21:41.33 | JeffM | then we can just set them as needed |
| 21:41.39 | L4m3r | me too |
| 21:41.58 | JeffM | we'll design the new thing to do that :) |
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| 21:53.27 | L4m3r | ok, building a new server and tweaked fairCTF, we'll see what happens |
| 22:04.16 | L4m3r | WHOA, flags slide down pyramids now?! |
| 22:05.49 | L4m3r | oh wait, maybe it's a zone on the random map |
| 22:06.33 | L4m3r | darn, I was excited there for a minute |
| 22:08.28 | L4m3r | seems to work for me, only issue now is that it spams the player's console if they sit on the flag |
| 22:08.51 | L4m3r | but maybe we can call that a feature |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM | I think that was added in 2.4 |
| 22:10.03 | JeffM | yeah you will probably get multiple allow messages |
| 22:10.17 | JeffM | since it's all based on proximity |
| 22:11.09 | L4m3r | I can live with that, but I will ask for BulletCatcher's opinion (and verify that there aren't any other outstanding problems) |
| 22:11.16 | JeffM | k |
| 22:11.52 | L4m3r | there are some features I am considering also, but I don't think those are for 2.4.2 |
| 22:12.26 | blast007 | ah, cool, hard drive is full on the VPS ;D |
| 22:12.31 | JeffM | wow |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM | how big is that drive? |
| 22:12.45 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:13.22 | blast007 | 14GB |
| 22:13.57 | JeffM | that for the forums and the wiki or just forums? |
| 22:14.25 | blast007 | wiki is on another server |
| 22:14.45 | blast007 | so forums, list, images |
| 22:14.58 | JeffM | how big are just the forums? |
| 22:16.38 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r22384 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/fairCTF/ (README.txt fairCTF.cpp): FairCTF: Use AllowFlagGrab to prevent team flag pickups in the first place. |
| 22:17.00 | blast007 | 1.4GB for the data |
| 22:17.18 | JeffM | want another vps to move the forums to? |
| 22:17.22 | blast007 | I have MySQL binlogs turned on as well, which is eating up around 1.7GB right now |
| 22:17.55 | blast007 | dunno enough about MySQL to know if I should just turn them off or if they're useful enough to leave turned on |
| 22:21.35 | blast007 | brad / L4m3r: okay, database restored. |
| 22:21.41 | L4m3r | thx |
| 22:23.31 | CIA-104 | BZFlag: 03Pillbox 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:Pillbox: |
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| 23:24.57 | JeffM | I can not help you pillbox |
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