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01:44.28calvinDelusional, I made a sloped surface in Wings but it isn't 45 degrees.  Think it will be that critical?
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04:46.17JeffMdamn somebody quit, they were going to do all the work needed on bzflag!!!!
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13:08.14I_Died_Oncehaving a problem - can't compile after running '/configure --enable-debug'
13:08.47I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/AX9BvUZu
13:09.08I_Died_Oncecompiles fine without --enable-debug
13:09.32I_Died_Onceis there something I need to install?
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16:06.59blast007University of Maine System  ;)
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17:16.44I_Died_OnceI'm gonna try asking again since more people seem to be on now.., I am trying to build a debug bzfs to track down why we are crashing (or crapping out) and when I run 'make' after './configure --enable-debug' I get this error: http://pastebin.com/jJx92wwx
17:18.10I_Died_Oncei can compile with no problem if I run make without the --enable-debug
17:23.10I_Died_Onceis there a library i need to install?
17:30.59JeffMnope
17:31.22JeffMit may be turning a warning into an error
17:31.52I_Died_Oncewhat can i do to resolve this, JeffM ?
17:31.56JeffMlooking
17:32.00I_Died_Oncety ty
17:32.30I_Died_Oncefwiw, i haven't done anything jackassy to the source, it compiles just fine without the debug
17:32.40I_Died_Oncegot me all kinds of lost
17:33.24JeffMhmmm
17:33.37JeffMis this 64 or 32 bit?
17:33.45I_Died_Once32
17:33.56JeffMand you did autogen and configure?
17:34.01I_Died_Onceyeah
17:34.22JeffMin non debug is there a line in that file that defines _FILE_OFFSET_BITS ?
17:34.41I_Died_Onceno clue
17:35.07I_Died_Oncei just do sh autogen.sh..... ./configure.... namd and make install (sudo)
17:35.16I_Died_Once<---- typing champion
17:35.58JeffMwell try this, open that file, and add #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 32 to the file after, #define ZLIB_VER_SUBREVISION 0
17:36.08I_Died_Oncei never had to do anything 32 or 64 bit wise, never had to specify anything of that nature
17:36.21JeffMI know
17:36.23I_Died_Oncewhich file am I adding to?
17:36.24JeffMbut you do now
17:36.31JeffMthe one in the error
17:36.42JeffMbzflag\src\other\zlib\zlib.h
17:36.52JeffMit looks to be an error in that code
17:36.55I_Died_Once../../src/other/zlib/zlib.h:1574:32: error: "_FILE_OFFSET_BITS" is not defined
17:37.01JeffMbingo
17:37.57I_Died_Oncewhere is that file do i need to put it? anywhere?
17:38.06JeffMle sigh
17:38.23I_Died_Onceoh, my bad
17:38.24JeffMas I said on the line after  #define ZLIB_VER_SUBREVISION 0
17:38.30I_Died_Once**didnt read!!!***
17:38.38JeffMblast007, can we call 2.4.2 "Thanks for all the fish"
17:38.51I_Died_Oncelove that movie
17:39.02JeffMbook
17:39.04JeffMit's a book
17:39.15JeffMtho the last movie wasn't too bad
17:39.59I_Died_Oncei didnt realize until after seeing it how many bzflag players stole their names from it
17:40.15JeffMwas a very good trillogy of 5 books
17:40.28JeffMI highly recomend reading them
17:41.03I_Died_Onceshould i rerun autogen and configure?
17:41.07JeffMnope
17:41.10JeffMjust build again
17:41.18JeffMI have no idea if this will work
17:41.21JeffMit's just a guess
17:41.31I_Died_Oncenew error, pastebining
17:41.53I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/tJPcKCuJ
17:42.05I_Died_Oncezconf.h:373:6: error: "_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE" is not defined
17:42.19JeffMok yeah, it looks like zlib didn't configure correctly under debug
17:42.39JeffMsomeone more knowledgable about the mystic sorcery that is autotools will have to fix it
17:43.00JeffMor, regen in not debug and send me that file
17:43.08JeffMwe may be able to fake it
17:43.39JeffMactualy regen in release and send me zconf.h too
17:43.46JeffMI bet that's where it puts all that carp
17:43.47JeffMcrap
18:08.54I_Died_Oncesorry, just got back... which file did you want me to send you?
18:09.24JeffMzconf.h
18:13.36I_Died_Oncewill pastebin suffice?
18:13.44JeffMwe can try
18:16.34I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/gM7ZreVQ
18:19.01I_Died_Onceit should be 'stock' as i havent edited it
18:32.13I_Died_Oncesince its a remove host with no xorg, i scp's the file to my local host to share here
18:32.25I_Died_Once******since its a remote host
18:32.42JeffMk, I will look at it in a sec
18:32.48I_Died_Oncethanks much
18:32.49JeffMhave to do some real work for a sec
18:42.21JeffMhmm it dosn't define it there
18:42.30JeffMso I'm not sure
18:42.38JeffMI'll try to set up a vm to build on
18:42.46JeffMhow do you configure for debug?
18:45.11I_Died_Oncei just did ./configure --enable-debug
18:45.35I_Died_Oncethe server itself is a vm
18:45.42I_Died_Oncenot that it matters, methinks
18:47.07JeffMit should not
18:47.25JeffMdoes the server say anything when it crashes for you?
18:47.55I_Died_Oncei saw the word "segmentation fault" float through when it crashed mid-day yesterday
18:48.11JeffMok, does it crash pretty consistently?
18:48.29I_Died_Oncestarted for the first time yesterday, a couple of times since
18:48.38JeffMhave you tried removing various plugins?
18:48.46I_Died_Oncei thought my screen stopped responding, lblast said it was caughtin an infinite loop
18:49.28I_Died_Oncei'd like to find the offending plugin, if thats what it is
18:49.41JeffMwell remove them one by one and see when it stops crashing
18:49.45JeffMthat's the simplest thing
18:50.00I_Died_Onceits not a consistent crash like that
18:50.15I_Died_Oncehappens randomly it seems
18:50.20JeffMwell, what were you going to do with the debug vesion?
18:50.29JeffMwere you assuming that it just reports more data?
18:50.48I_Died_Oncerun it within gdb and find the problem?
18:51.07JeffMyou should be able to run the release version in gdb and at least find out what module it dies in
18:51.17JeffMthat will tell you bzfs or a plugin
18:51.33I_Died_Oncewouldnt i need debug enabled for that?
18:51.39JeffMnot really
18:51.45JeffMyou'll get less info in GDB
18:51.51JeffMsince there will be no symbols
18:51.58JeffMbut it should at least tell you the module
18:53.10I_Died_Oncetell you what... the game did crash again sometime over night, and since i couldnt get a debug build working, i restarted the game as it was... if it crashes again, i'll pursue this further
18:53.25I_Died_Oncei know there was a couple of network burps that caused some issues
18:53.49JeffMwell we should find out why the debug build won't go
18:54.01JeffMbut that will probalby take the wizardry of BulletCatcher
18:54.16I_Died_Onceits been up 5 and a half hours now and its at the top of the list server (woot!)
18:54.27I_Died_OnceI will try to catch up with him later on
18:55.26JeffMheh.. yeah wow... you are the best with a whoping 17 people ;)
18:55.45I_Died_Oncei know right?
18:55.51JeffMso sad
18:56.12JeffMa game with blocks can get 20 million.....
18:56.48I_Died_Oncetry to figure out which of our seventeen plugins might be jacking up my server - http://pastebin.com/5ZBmBrEb
18:57.08JeffMwow
18:57.23I_Died_Onceevrey one of them servers a purpose
18:57.28JeffMyou should probalby combine a lot of those
18:57.34I_Died_Oncewe're not adding plugins for the sake of adding plugins
18:57.50I_Died_Once...anymore
18:57.53JeffMyou are wasting a lot of CPU with lots of callback lookups
18:59.02I_Died_Oncehow do i combine them?
18:59.08JeffMwrite code
18:59.10I_Died_Oncethat might be over my head
18:59.26JeffMit isn't
19:00.07I_Died_Oncecan i like... take the .cpp source code files, copy and paste them into one huge .cpp... and compile from there? that what you mean? prolly not....
19:00.27JeffMnot as simple as that
19:00.41JeffMbut yes you would combine the code into one big plugin
19:00.44JeffMdon't worry about it
19:01.04JeffMwe'll make it easy for you in the next life
19:01.13I_Died_Oncethe onyl plugin i would b ok with dropping might be the autoveto
19:04.12I_Died_Oncei wanna add the genostats one next!
19:08.38JeffMgeno is lame
19:08.48I_Died_Onceteamflaggeno is awesome
19:08.58JeffMfuel-air bomb is awesome
19:09.00I_Died_Oncewho would have ever thought the answer would be to add a second geno?
19:09.28I_Died_Onceor is that two geno halves... as only half the players can use but only one geno flag
19:10.50JeffMyou will like fuel-air bombs
19:11.03I_Died_Oncelooking forward to is already
19:11.14I_Died_Onceis that a new flag plugin?
19:11.27JeffMgod no
19:11.31JeffMflags should not be guns
19:11.46JeffMflags are what you pick up in CTF
19:11.56JeffMif you want a new gun, pick up a new gun
19:15.08I_Died_Oncethat a 3.0 weapon?
19:15.15JeffMno
19:15.23JeffMthere proably will never be 3.0
19:15.43JeffMits been tough just getting 2.4.2 out for the package
19:15.53JeffMso hence why I want to call it "Thanks for all the fish"
19:16.59JeffMwhen you ran configure iwth debug, what did it say for "zlib" at the end
19:17.04JeffMwas it using system or building it?
19:17.44I_Died_Oncelookingh
19:17.47I_Died_Oncelooking*
19:18.52CIA-104BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22371 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldWeapons.cxx: unused var
19:19.01BulletCatcherThe easiest way to work around this problem is probably to install the zlib headers so bzflag doesn't have to compile zlib itself.
19:19.12JeffMyeah that's what I'm seeing in my VM
19:19.20JeffMthere are a few other warnings, but I am trying to fix them
19:20.12I_Died_Oncev
19:20.13I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/SJkCY2Xs
19:20.53I_Died_OnceBulletCatcher - what is the configure arguement to do that?
19:21.21BulletCatcherInstall the Gentoo package that provides /usr/include/zlib.h .
19:21.24JeffMyeah you are building zlib
19:21.34I_Died_Oncei'm using debian on this vm
19:21.43JeffMI'll find the package for you
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19:22.36I_Died_Oncethx... squeeze is the release i'mm using
19:22.46BulletCatcherOn Debian it may be called gzip-dev .
19:22.55BulletCatcherNo.
19:22.58BulletCatcherzlib-dev
19:22.59JeffMI show zlib1g-dbg on my machine
19:23.07JeffMbut that'll probalby work too
19:23.23JeffMyeah I just built debug after that warning fix
19:23.29JeffMso get zlib and svn up
19:24.04BulletCatcherAfter you install the zlib dev package, do a "make maintainer-clean" and start over with autogen.sh.
19:24.29I_Died_Oncedoing now
19:25.10I_Died_Oncedo i need any configure arguements?
19:25.28JeffMdebug if you want to do debug
19:25.35BulletCatcherJust use --enable-debug
19:25.35JeffMbassicly you have to do it all over gain
19:25.43I_Died_Oncenot a problem
19:26.40BulletCatcherYour computer is thinking, "here I am with a brain the size of a planet, and he asks me to compile a game.  Again."
19:26.51I_Died_Oncepretty much
19:27.00JeffMjust get a pan-galactic gargleblaster and you'll be fine
19:27.09I_Died_Once"all these damn plugins!"
19:27.33JeffMgood luck
19:32.14I_Died_Oncethx, hopefully we wont need it
19:50.55BulletCatcherThere are multiple problems in upstream zlib that cause it to fail when gcc's -Werror ("Make all warnings into errors.") option is used.
19:51.21BulletCatcherI'll take another step or two down this rabbit hole.
20:04.37CIA-104BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22372 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/zlib/ (gzguts.h zconf.h zlib.h):
20:04.37CIA-104BZFlag: Eliminate zlib warnings when _LARGEFILE64_SOURCE and/or _FILE_OFFSET_BITS are undefined.
20:04.37CIA-104BZFlag: Include unistd.h so lseek() will be declared.
20:05.07BulletCatcherIt would be good to test that change on Windows.
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20:43.26JeffMO
20:43.30JeffMI'll give it a shot
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20:57.36JeffMBulletCatcher, yeah there are issues, trying to figure you why
21:01.48CIA-104BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22373 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/zlib/gzguts.h: Don't include the bzflag config file for windows, it's not needed since we build our own, and it has funky stuff that zlib does not like.
21:03.29JeffMalso your change to access control list dosn't work
21:04.49BulletCatcherI did test the acl change.  What problem do you see?
21:04.55JeffMin_addr_t is not a type on windows ;)
21:05.02BulletCatcherbleah
21:05.03JeffMI am adding it to our config
21:05.22JeffMwinsock is not the same as bsd sockets
21:06.49BulletCatcherIt sounds like something you will have no trouble fixing.
21:06.51BulletCatcherThe contractor wants to cut the power here, so I'll be offline for a bit.  Less than an hour I hope.
21:07.00JeffMI just commited it
21:07.02CIA-104BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22374 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/config.h: add in_addr_t if it is not defined
21:07.03JeffMso no worries
21:07.06JeffMhave fun
21:07.07BulletCatcheryay
21:07.16JeffMbzfs builds just fine now
21:07.24JeffMso I think all your changes are fine now
21:07.29BulletCatchercoo
21:07.31BulletCatchercool
21:07.43JeffMhaven't tried client, don't have DX installed here
21:08.02BulletCatcherMost of our recent changes have been to the server, anyway.
21:08.06JeffMja
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21:08.45JeffMblast007, you will find this funny, http://twitpic.com/8l66wq
21:11.11ts3dFunny :)
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21:34.21daleharveyhas anyone attempted a webgl bzflag?
21:34.28JeffMwhy?
21:35.03JeffMa browser can't run C++ code can it?
21:36.08daleharveywell apart from nsapi, no, but it can talk to a server and render
21:36.26JeffMthe bzflag game client does 99% of the game logic
21:36.42JeffMso no, nobody has rewritien bzflag in javascript
21:37.14daleharveyis there any documentation around the protocol?
21:37.19JeffMthe code
21:37.25JeffMit's more then the protocoll
21:37.31JeffMit's the physics and game logic
21:37.34JeffMit's all in the client
21:37.39JeffMthe server just relays packets
21:39.59daleharveykk cheers
21:40.08JeffMhoneslty you'd be better off making a new game
21:40.17JeffMthere are lots of libs out there that would do what you want
21:49.11JeffMI_Died_Once, did that package fix up your build?
21:49.21I_Died_Oncelol
21:49.28JeffMI guess not then
21:49.34I_Died_Oncei just got back and sat down to look
21:49.38JeffMahh
21:49.43I_Died_Oncethe moment you asked
21:49.46I_Died_Oncetiming
21:49.46JeffMbeing psycic is fun :)
21:49.55I_Died_Onceand no
21:49.56I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/dAzNSHWx
21:50.05JeffMsvn up
21:50.08JeffMI fixed that already
21:50.40I_Died_Once$ svn up
21:50.40I_Died_OnceU    src/other/zlib/zconf.h
21:50.40I_Died_OnceG    src/other/zlib/zlib.h
21:50.40I_Died_OnceU    src/other/zlib/gzguts.h
21:50.40I_Died_OnceU    src/bzfs/WorldWeapons.cxx
21:50.41I_Died_OnceU    MSVC/build/config.h
21:50.51I_Died_Oncei meant to pastebin that
21:50.55JeffMsvn update error, please enter root password
21:51.10JeffMthat looks normal
21:51.17JeffMdo a make again
21:51.27I_Died_Oncei already told it to autogen
21:51.30JeffMoh
21:51.33JeffMyou didn't have to do that
21:51.37I_Died_Onces'ok i reckon
21:51.42JeffMyeah just takes longer
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21:53.10I_Died_Onceit crashed while i was out
21:53.31ts3ddaleharvey: http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/ cpp in the browser
21:53.44I_Died_Oncenot sure when, uptime is saying 45 minutes, should be five or six hours
21:53.54JeffMts3d, oh god... WHY?
21:53.59ts3dhehe
21:54.10JeffMthat's like a VM in EVERY browser
21:54.57JeffMI_Died_Once, you sure it's your bzfs that's crashing? and not the VM?
21:55.09I_Died_Oncei hope to find out
21:55.10JeffMif the VM is rebooting then that'd kill bzfs
21:55.15JeffMuptime dos't lie
21:55.26I_Died_Once<PROTECTED>
21:55.31JeffMahh
21:55.35I_Died_Onceran from ym bzadmin client
21:55.36JeffMwhat's the system uptime?
21:55.38I_Died_Once*my
21:56.02I_Died_Oncewhats the comamnd to find that out?
21:56.04ts3dIt's by google, can't be that bad. Can it?
21:56.05I_Died_Once**command
21:56.11ts3dNativeClient + Websockets + Webgl, got most of what you need for bzflag in browser
21:56.27daleharveyyeh nativeclient is how quake got ported
21:56.38I_Died_Onceuptime
21:56.38I_Died_Once<PROTECTED>
21:56.39daleharveyI meant to say that, nsapi is completely different
21:56.43JeffMjust make bzflag as a quake mod then
21:56.48JeffMit's just a FPS
21:56.49ts3dI would rather have a rewrite of bz
21:56.53JeffMget more features out of bz
21:57.03JeffMout of quake I mean
21:57.35JeffMwe can rewrite bz, but I'd not put in a browser
21:58.04ts3dI agree.
21:58.11I_Died_Oncein that case, we could make bzflag a playable facebook app
21:58.22I_Died_Oncelike angry birds
21:58.23JeffMyou go now.. you get the hell outa here
21:58.27JeffMgets his gun
21:58.52I_Died_Onceimagine the status updates from your friends....
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21:59.05daleharveyI just want to see what the experience is like, and I want to see more games in the browser, so its on my list of things to try out, but its a fair likelyhood that I will never make a start
21:59.22I_Died_Once"(so and so) just landed a GENO shot! Can you land a geno shot? Play 'bzflag' on facebook NOW!
21:59.31JeffMdaleharvey, we can't even get a debian package out for our last release, we won't be porting bzflag to anything
22:00.00daleharveyheh I never expected anyone else to think about it, I was just curious in case anyone had already tried it
22:00.11ts3dStep 1: Stir up development interest.
22:00.13JeffMit would be a massive task
22:00.17ts3dDo that and you can get anything.
22:00.25JeffMyou would have to redo the entire thing
22:00.32JeffMbzflag wasn't writen with the internet in mind
22:00.34JeffMit's a lan game
22:00.45JeffMthe client does everything
22:00.59JeffMeven deciding if it has to die when shot
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22:02.09I_Died_Onceok, we compiled everyting fine except one of the plugins....
22:02.13daleharveyand I am guessing quite a lot of multi peer consistency checking then? since there isnt a server checking that a client is just lying
22:02.23JeffMdaleharvey, nope
22:02.25I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/6jbDBwZ3
22:02.29JeffMnothing checks
22:02.33JeffMthats why it's so easy to cheat
22:02.48daleharveyoh
22:03.10JeffMI_Died_Once, remove the extra ; on line 90 of fair4ctf.cpp
22:03.19JeffMdaleharvey, yeah it's not good
22:03.26JeffMbzflag was writen in the mid 90s
22:04.16JeffMI_Died_Once, and get your author to fix it cus it ain't ours
22:04.16daleharveywell I mean I know these things are always more complicated than they seem, but it doesnt seem "that" huge a deal, the physics is pretty normal, and the gameplay / logic seems pretty standard
22:04.27JeffMit's very simple
22:04.43daleharveyI still doubt javascript is anywhere near up to the task, but it would be fun finding out :)
22:04.49JeffMI think making a new game using modern code woudl take 3 people about 3 months to get a basic system up
22:04.55JeffMoh JS could do it
22:05.02JeffMyou'd implement most of the logic on the server
22:05.06ts3dI would go with java instead, it's more than capable
22:05.09JeffMyou'd end up with a better game then bzflag
22:05.23JeffMyes for a browser one java would give you more client side options
22:05.47JeffMa smart modern game client would have a super dumb client
22:05.49daleharveyheh, I am only really interested in web tech
22:06.12JeffMJS and HTML5 should be able to handle the client side
22:06.24JeffMyou do the heavy lifting on the client
22:06.28JeffMsorry server
22:06.30JeffMlike quake does
22:06.39JeffMquake runs the gamestate serverside
22:08.03JeffMthere are a lot of browser based FPS games out there
22:08.03I_Died_Oncei removed it and this is what i get now
22:08.04I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/PVRgv7d1
22:08.06JeffMit'd be the same thing
22:08.19JeffMyou removed to many of them
22:08.29I_Died_Oncethere was only one
22:08.31JeffMI can't see the file so I don't know exactly what to do
22:08.39JeffMyou are not using a standard plugin
22:08.47JeffMput it back and send me the file
22:09.05JeffMdata, data, I can not work with out data.
22:09.32I_Died_Oncehttp://pastebin.com/3mGQzD4A
22:09.39I_Died_Oncethats the fair4ctf.cpp file
22:10.34JeffMwho wrote that thing?
22:11.05I_Died_Oncesomeone on bzbb
22:11.18I_Died_Onceit compiled before with no problem
22:11.21JeffMand how do you know it isn't hacking your server?
22:11.26JeffMsure under release :)
22:12.24JeffMtry using the contents like this, http://pastebin.com/AupHC4JT
22:13.27I_Died_Oncereplace the .cpp with that?
22:18.29I_Died_Oncewhen i do, i get this: fair4ctf.cpp:91: error: expected unqualified-id before string constant
22:20.08I_Died_Oncei'm willing to bet this is the offending plugin
22:22.03JeffMI would not say that based on just this error
22:22.39JeffMsend me a zip file with the entire plugin
22:22.45I_Died_Oncedo you think the 'old' plugin that compiled with no problem will still work with the new bzfs (debug build) ??
22:22.46JeffM@gmail.com
22:22.48JeffMyes
22:26.45I_Died_Oncei say that as its one of the last plugins i added
22:30.22I_Died_Oncejeffm, sent
22:36.07JeffMsorry I lied
22:36.13JeffM2501@gmail.com :)
22:36.30JeffMforgot what I was loged in as
22:36.34I_Died_Oncethat might explain the delivery failure notofication
22:36.51JeffMjeffm@gmail is available... hot damn
22:38.59JeffMahh tha'ts why, it's too short
22:39.00JeffMsuck
22:39.25I_Died_Onceok, resent
22:51.08I_Died_Oncedid you get that?
22:52.12JeffMyeah, am looking
22:53.04I_Died_Oncei sent it to jeffN2501 somewhere in there evidentally
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22:58.32JeffMyeah all you should have to do is turn BZ_PLUGIN(FCTF); into BZ_PLUGIN(FCTF)
22:58.37JeffMthat should get rid of the warning
23:02.27JeffMthe plugin has some other sillyness but none of it shoudl cause a warning
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23:04.36ts3dWhat OS are you running?
23:04.47JeffMhe's on debian
23:11.10BulletCatcherThese 6 plugins have unnecessary dependencies on plugin_utils that bloat the .so files: Phoenix fairCTF fastmap rabbitTimer rabidRabbit regFlag.
23:11.15BulletCatcherI am prepared to commit Makefile.am changes to remove those dependencies.
23:11.17BulletCatcherIs this a good time for you to do the same for MSVC, JeffM?
23:17.48JeffMsure
23:18.38I_Died_Oncey'all taking them out of svn?
23:18.39JeffMyou want me to remove them from yon projects too BulletCatcher ?
23:18.46JeffMno
23:18.51JeffMjust removing the dependency
23:19.02CIA-104BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22375 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Remove unnecessary dependencies on plugin_utils from the unix build system.
23:20.09BulletCatcherIf you would remove the plugin_utils dependencies from the .vcproj and .sln files, then both build systems will be in sync.
23:20.15JeffMno prob
23:20.18BulletCatcherThanks.
23:21.32CIA-104BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22376 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (fairCTF/fairCTF.sln regFlag/regFlag.sln): remove dependency on plugin utils.
23:21.34JeffMonly 2 needed fixes
23:22.00JeffMshould be good
23:22.09JeffMI'll do a fullbuild when I get home to make sure the client is still good
23:22.27JeffMcan't find a DX iso here to save my life
23:23.16BulletCatcherIt doesn't matter that most of the .vcproj files reference the plugin_utils directory?
23:23.42JeffMthey do?
23:23.50JeffMwhat one for example?
23:23.57BulletCatcherPhoenix
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23:24.12JeffMhmm
23:24.56JeffMyeah that's just default search dirs picked up from the sample plugin
23:25.04JeffMthey won't actualy link anything if they don't have the dependency
23:25.18BulletCatcherk
23:26.51JeffMthe vc linker is pretty smart
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23:39.11JeffMheh, client in ubuntu vm == slow
23:41.46ts3dIs that a surprise?
23:42.11JeffMdidn't think it would be that bad
23:42.17JeffMwe ain't exactly a graphics powerhouse
23:48.27ts3dWould it be fair to say some of bz's source looke sliek c with classes instead of proper c++? :P
23:48.27ts3dlooks like*
23:56.23JeffMC++ is a superset of C so all C++ contains C
23:56.38JeffMand it dosn't always make sense to create an object for everything

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