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| 05:53.53 | Delusional | calvin_: see next line |
| 05:53.57 | Delusional | ~ask |
| 05:53.57 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 05:58.08 | Delusional | no. |
| 06:00.08 | Delusional | I'm helping him learn wings3d |
| 06:00.18 | JeffM | fun |
| 06:40.21 | allejo | "We are all here voluntarily or against our will." ??? |
| 06:40.33 | allejo | :P |
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| 08:49.25 | L4m3r | When the server (trunk) sends a shot fired event in bzfs.cxx, it doesn't set the velocity parameters in the event. Should I fix that, or is there a reason for it? |
| 08:52.10 | L4m3r | I guess it could be argued that such a fix would warrant an API version bump as well |
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| 11:47.24 | blast007 | L4m3r: if the event already has those variables in the class but they're just not being set, I don't see that as needing a bump |
| 11:48.38 | blast007 | should only need to change the class version if you change the class prototype (Is that the right term? .. just woke up..) |
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| 15:19.58 | L4m3r | blast007: my thought on the API version was simply that plugins which depend on the velocity members being set would not function properly in server versions before a fix |
| 15:31.55 | blast007 | *shrug* |
| 15:36.35 | L4m3r | they wouldn't segfault, but yeah :P |
| 15:45.00 | blast007 | a note in a readme file would be enough |
| 15:45.30 | BulletCatcher | A plugin that uses an unset velocity from an unfixed server *might* die if it doesn't sanity-check the value. |
| 15:45.31 | BulletCatcher | It would be easy to divide by zero, for example. |
| 15:45.56 | blast007 | then the server owner will learn to read readme files ;) |
| 15:46.09 | L4m3r | BulletCatcher: the API inits the velocity to {0, 0, 0}, so yeah, it's possible |
| 15:46.27 | blast007 | a shockwave has a velocity of zero |
| 15:47.07 | L4m3r | I'm actually surprised my plugin didn't puke, since I used atan2 on the lateral bullet velocity ;) |
| 15:47.17 | BulletCatcher | Then a readme note should be plenty of warning without changing the API version. |
| 15:47.42 | blast007 | and if we put it in before 2.4.2 is tagged, it'd be enough to say it needs 2.4.2 or higher |
| 15:47.47 | BulletCatcher | yup |
| 15:48.06 | blast007 | there's one other thing like that I want to fix |
| 15:48.20 | blast007 | still need to test it |
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| 15:50.12 | L4m3r | it'd also be nice to be able to specify a velocity for plugin-launched world weapons, but that could get messy : |
| 15:50.47 | blast007 | wonders what happens if a SW has a velocity set ;) |
| 15:51.17 | blast007 | client might ignore it, but it'd be cool if it didn't |
| 15:52.25 | BulletCatcher | L4m3r: Is there any chance I can convince you to contribute your fairCTF plugin to the project? |
| 15:53.05 | blast007 | specifically, the other thing I want to fix is setting the 'clientVersion' in the API player record |
| 15:53.23 | blast007 | exists in the class, but is never set |
| 15:53.39 | blast007 | I'd like to set it for at least the join event |
| 15:53.50 | L4m3r | I thought I already said yes, but fairCTF is still a terrible plugin |
| 15:54.45 | L4m3r | has it even been ported to 2.4? I could add it to SVN after doing a proper rewrite that utilizes those new-fangled events like flag grab :P |
| 15:54.45 | BulletCatcher | I and others still use fairCTF, and it would be easier to maintain if it were bundled. |
| 15:55.10 | L4m3r | I thought more people used fair4CTF now |
| 15:55.31 | BulletCatcher | fairCTF is still the standard for Pillbox. |
| 15:55.57 | L4m3r | how far out is 2.4.2? |
| 15:56.18 | BulletCatcher | As far as we want it to be. |
| 15:56.20 | blast007 | depends how much minecraft I play |
| 15:56.33 | L4m3r | ha |
| 15:56.44 | L4m3r | I'll play with it when I get home from work this evening |
| 15:57.44 | BulletCatcher | L4m3r: if you'll commit your fairCTF source files into plugins/fairCTF then I'll do the rest. |
| 15:58.27 | BulletCatcher | You will need to assign copyright to Tim Riker. If you don't want to do that, then don't commit the code. |
| 15:59.10 | BulletCatcher | For recordkeeping purposes it is important that *you* do the copyright assignment. |
| 15:59.17 | BulletCatcher | After that, anyone can modify it. |
| 16:01.45 | L4m3r | I'll have to dig them up. I actually do not have a 2.4 version presently |
| 16:03.00 | BulletCatcher | allejo posted a 2.4 version at the end of http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=6776 |
| 16:04.01 | BulletCatcher | But the code *you* wrote is for 2.0. Commit that with the copyright assignment and then we can do the upgrade with separate commits. |
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| 16:09.12 | L4m3r | copyright assignment just needs to be in the commit message and change in the readme/source header right? |
| 16:11.47 | BulletCatcher | It should be sufficient to include the standard copyright header at the top of fairCTF.cpp. |
| 16:12.04 | BulletCatcher | Be sure to use 2012 as the latest year. ;-) |
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| 16:13.14 | L4m3r | mmk. Late for work, will handle it when I get home. I would like to change the way some events are handled also (but not the way the plugin behaves, in any significant way) |
| 16:13.48 | BulletCatcher | Improvements are welcome, but I recommend doing them after committing the original code. |
| 16:13.51 | BulletCatcher | Thanks! |
| 16:14.02 | L4m3r | yes, of course |
| 16:14.19 | L4m3r | (does pb use that mod that allows teams to always carry their own flag?) |
| 16:14.28 | BulletCatcher | no |
| 16:14.41 | L4m3r | wow |
| 16:15.02 | BulletCatcher | There is very little Pillbox activity these days, so it doesn't matter much. |
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| 16:15.13 | L4m3r | nice to see that at least a few people envision it the way I do, though :P |
| 16:17.47 | BulletCatcher | Your original plugin simply toggles the game between CTF and FFA, and that meets my definition of fairness. |
| 16:20.10 | L4m3r | yes, it was designed to basically pause the CTF aspect of the game in place |
| 16:20.54 | L4m3r | but at the time a lot of people felt that it was not the right approach |
| 16:21.44 | BulletCatcher | There are still people who want it to work differently, but they don't run the server. :-p |
| 16:22.46 | BulletCatcher | Now run off to work so you can keep your job and afford to do BZFlag as a hobby. :-) |
| 16:23.24 | L4m3r | ha. later |
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| 20:08.50 | reber | hi |
| 20:11.05 | reber | i'm trying to get bzflag working on a dual screen, and after some quick search i dind't found how to |
| 20:11.32 | reber | http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=12069 |
| 20:11.38 | reber | something like that ^ |
| 20:18.36 | blast007 | we don't do anything special for dual screens |
| 20:18.59 | blast007 | it's up to your video driver to make the two displays enumerate as those they're a single (large) screen |
| 20:19.52 | blast007 | and even then, there's not a "put the radar on one side" option |
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| 20:38.42 | reber | blast007, where is the "put the radar on one side" option ? |
| 20:39.02 | blast007 | read what I said again. ;) I sad there's not such an option |
| 20:39.04 | blast007 | said* |
| 20:39.23 | reber | oh sry |
| 20:40.01 | JeffM | some people have done it by configuring the displays one over the other in the dirver |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM | then the radar and chat is on the "bottom" |
| 20:40.17 | JeffM | but they put that physical monitor off to the side |
| 20:40.21 | blast007 | chat would be quite small in those cases then |
| 20:40.30 | JeffM | yeah it was not optimal |
| 20:41.01 | reber | any ways to force bzflags to use on display only ? |
| 20:41.14 | reber | for the moment i use the -window option but it's not optimal |
| 20:41.35 | reber | i'd like at least to have fullscreen on one display only |
| 20:41.40 | reber | is it even possible ? ;) |
| 20:41.55 | blast007 | does it currently span across both screens? |
| 20:42.05 | reber | yeap unfortunatly :( |
| 20:42.17 | blast007 | then you need to adjust your video driver |
| 20:42.18 | reber | quite unplayable |
| 20:42.25 | reber | mmm ... |
| 20:42.29 | blast007 | it's telling games that you only have one very wide screen |
| 20:42.37 | reber | yap |
| 20:42.40 | blast007 | is it an nvidia? |
| 20:42.43 | reber | yap |
| 20:42.53 | blast007 | there's different spanning modes you can pick |
| 20:43.06 | reber | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.09 | blast007 | so play around with the nvidia control panel |
| 20:43.11 | blast007 | oh, linux |
| 20:43.18 | reber | what else |
| 20:43.27 | blast007 | :P |
| 20:43.42 | blast007 | I don't know about doing dual displays on linux |
| 20:44.09 | blast007 | however, I think twinview is the mode where it appears like a single display |
| 20:44.20 | reber | everything works fine ... except bzflag |
| 20:44.33 | reber | even tuxkart works fine with fullscreen |
| 20:44.46 | blast007 | well, we're not tuxkart ;) |
| 20:45.07 | DTRemenak | SDL_VIDEO_FULLSCREEN_DISPLAY = 0 |
| 20:45.09 | reber | not tanks but great engines too |
| 20:48.51 | DTRemenak | that assumes that your SDL has xinerama support and that an appropriate metamode is defined by the nvidia driver |
| 20:56.18 | JeffM | dude you are alive! |
| 20:56.38 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:57.23 | blast007 | and you made a neat gun for the people who are still alive? |
| 20:58.45 | JeffM | hell yes |
| 20:58.58 | JeffM | We shall call it Steve! |
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