| 00:00.09 | blast007 | ah, no, 640x480 ;D |
| 00:00.22 | Noob | oh my this is horrid |
| 00:00.42 | Noob | how can you do anything? |
| 00:00.42 | blast007 | my system is roughly the same age as yours, but with an intel craptastic graphics chipset |
| 00:00.54 | Noob | ah |
| 00:01.03 | blast007 | pentium M 1.6GHz |
| 00:01.12 | blast007 | but I don't play on here much |
| 00:01.13 | Noob | well i think ati is better than intel |
| 00:01.21 | blast007 | I play on my gaming PC :P |
| 00:01.36 | blast007 | which is totally wasted playing bz |
| 00:01.39 | Noob | ah pentium M....i think i saw one of those before |
| 00:01.48 | Noob | yeah i bet |
| 00:02.36 | Noob | let me try 1024x768 |
| 00:02.45 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: Linux isn't our biggest platform anyway |
| 00:04.05 | Noob | well... i had 31 to 38ms of jit still |
| 00:04.26 | blast007 | could be something on your PC screwing stuff up |
| 00:04.33 | blast007 | something hogging CPU |
| 00:04.39 | Noob | no |
| 00:04.46 | Noob | i checked usage... |
| 00:05.12 | Noob | blast...what callsign do you use when you play bzf? |
| 00:05.20 | blast007 | blast |
| 00:05.23 | Noob | oh |
| 00:05.28 | Noob | n;) |
| 00:05.37 | blast007 | ~n |
| 00:05.38 | ibot | rumour has it, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 00:06.17 | Noob | haha |
| 00:06.20 | Noob | ik |
| 00:06.44 | Noob | well i have played for 9 years...(almost 10) so i guess so :P |
| 00:08.32 | Noob | Well thanks blast.... ill bang it around and hopefully that does something. But i think it is kinda hopeless |
| 00:09.19 | blast007 | could be overheating too |
| 00:09.33 | blast007 | you could try using some compressed air to clean out the vents/fans |
| 00:10.02 | I_Died_Once | what OS are you using, Noob? |
| 00:10.05 | Noob | yeah i havent done that in awhile...but it is overheating |
| 00:10.09 | Noob | windows |
| 00:10.20 | Noob | XP |
| 00:10.31 | I_Died_Once | try 'start - run' and type in 'msconfig' |
| 00:10.57 | Noob | ok |
| 00:10.58 | I_Died_Once | go to the services and startup tabs |
| 00:11.11 | Noob | kk |
| 00:11.16 | I_Died_Once | in services, check 'hide all microsoft services' |
| 00:11.34 | I_Died_Once | and disable everything but your antivirus |
| 00:11.40 | Noob | all microsoft inc.? |
| 00:12.09 | Noob | well i dont use microsoft anti virus so im safe there |
| 00:12.13 | I_Died_Once | when you check that box, all of microsofts stuff is hidden - you need most of that enabled |
| 00:12.34 | I_Died_Once | so hiding it is what you want - everything else listed, you want to disable |
| 00:12.41 | I_Died_Once | except your antivirus |
| 00:12.48 | Noob | oh dont uncheck the boxes? |
| 00:12.53 | Noob | oh yeah oops |
| 00:13.14 | Noob | kk i hid them |
| 00:14.18 | Noob | i did |
| 00:16.33 | Noob | It wants me to restart..but im in the middle of something so i cant |
| 00:18.08 | Noob | thanks and cya...ill bbl i think |
| 00:18.14 | blast007 | cya |
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| 00:37.19 | I_Died_Once | http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p277/Quagmar/Cracked/cornbrator.jpg |
| 00:37.30 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: wrong window? |
| 00:37.35 | JeffM | again! |
| 00:38.02 | I_Died_Once | my bad i was chatting in here earlier |
| 00:38.11 | JeffM | blast007, I think a debian release is bassicly up to you if you want to do the work on it |
| 00:38.21 | blast007 | maybe you should run two chat clients so you can keep them straight |
| 00:38.31 | JeffM | other then that I don't see anyone else willing to do it |
| 00:38.35 | I_Died_Once | i got tabs at the bottom of xchat |
| 00:38.41 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, that excuse was funny the first 30 times |
| 00:39.23 | I_Died_Once | ...i'm just going to say this - if i wanted to troll the room, I'd do a better job than posting pics in here |
| 00:39.53 | JeffM | I'm just going to say this.. if you are going to troll the room you won't be allowed to talk in it ;) |
| 00:40.29 | I_Died_Once | its an honest mistake |
| 00:40.35 | JeffM | that you keep making |
| 00:40.38 | JeffM | repeatedly |
| 00:40.49 | JeffM | I'm sure you didn't mean to do it |
| 00:40.55 | I_Died_Once | well i read and go back and forth between rooms |
| 00:40.56 | JeffM | but you make that mistake more then once |
| 00:41.04 | JeffM | that's your issue not ours |
| 00:41.56 | I_Died_Once | you having a bad day, man? |
| 00:43.25 | JeffM | year |
| 00:44.04 | I_Died_Once | I'm sorry to hear that, yo |
| 00:44.28 | I_Died_Once | you can take it out on me all you want if it makes you feel better |
| 00:44.52 | blast007 | it would be nice for you to check which channel you're on before you post links like that |
| 00:45.03 | blast007 | it happens far too often |
| 00:45.38 | I_Died_Once | whatever two cents its worth, its not on purpose |
| 00:46.01 | I_Died_Once | i click on the chat bar and shift + insert |
| 00:46.02 | blast007 | doesn't matter - you can try harder to prevent it :) |
| 00:46.19 | blast007 | the chat box is right by the tabs, no? |
| 00:46.27 | JeffM | yeah I get that you honstly don't mean to, but you do |
| 00:46.40 | JeffM | and for our part your intentions don't change that fact that it still happens |
| 00:48.50 | JeffM | and if asking you to not do it does not change anything, then what other option do we have? |
| 00:49.18 | I_Died_Once | affixes a scarlet letter to his outer clothing as he hangs his head in shame |
| 00:49.19 | JeffM | not that the channel is very lively anyway |
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| 01:14.55 | noob | Just to llet you know blast...(i forgot my other helper's name) that my bzf client is working well now...i have only about 11ms of jitter continuously.... |
| 01:15.05 | noob | i had to many background programs running |
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| 02:27.45 | I_Died_Once | bzbb down? |
| 02:30.35 | blast007 | yep |
| 02:36.26 | blast007 | VPS was offline. seeing if it will come back up. |
| 02:36.49 | I_Died_Once | its cause I posted that link in here by accident, isn't it? |
| 02:37.23 | JeffM | yes your corn dong broke the internet |
| 02:37.40 | I_Died_Once | leave it to me! |
| 02:37.56 | blast007 | looks like it was a.. kernel.. panic |
| 02:38.15 | I_Died_Once | a lot of kernels did the same thing during the vietnam war |
| 02:39.59 | blast007 | seems to be all back up now |
| 02:46.48 | blast007 | looks like it went down at 2:20 UTC |
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| 16:55.13 | blast007 | sounds like we could file a bug against bzflag in the debian bug tracker asking for it's removal |
| 16:55.22 | blast007 | < sney> blast007: yes, file a bug against it asking for its removal and explaining that it's no longer maintained upstream |
| 16:56.34 | blast007 | think I might just do that so that the 2.0 version goes away from future releases |
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| 17:15.27 | JeffM | it would at least stop people from being confused |
| 17:15.55 | rathis | Maybe. |
| 17:17.04 | JeffM | long term maintainers have not been forthcoming |
| 17:18.24 | rathis | The crux of BZFlag's problem is that it is a game. |
| 17:18.41 | JeffM | that is developed like a text editor |
| 17:18.50 | rathis | Heh. |
| 17:19.15 | JeffM | it is, patches, packages, long time between updates etc.. |
| 17:19.45 | rathis | Well, maybe. But I was looking at it from a demographic standpoint. The userbase of most games is predominantly "young person". |
| 17:19.57 | rathis | Young people "move on" much to frequently |
| 17:20.02 | rathis | *too |
| 17:20.02 | JeffM | I'm not too sure about that |
| 17:20.13 | JeffM | I think we get people who don't want to pay for other games |
| 17:20.18 | rathis | Right. |
| 17:20.29 | rathis | But as soon as the DO pay for another game, they move on. |
| 17:21.04 | JeffM | no as soon as they realize bzflag is stuck in 1995 and isn't trying to be "retro" they leave |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM | there are better games |
| 17:21.18 | JeffM | workd of tanks etc... |
| 17:21.24 | rathis | Well obviously. |
| 17:21.38 | rathis | However, my point was more about maintainers/developers. |
| 17:21.55 | JeffM | well we've seen development taper off for the past few years |
| 17:22.36 | rathis | Because the audience is kids, they- A: have less dev experience B: move on to different things, besides gaming, and no longer want to invest time in games |
| 17:22.42 | rathis | *young people |
| 17:22.51 | rathis | Might be a better term than 'kids' |
| 17:23.13 | JeffM | the vast majority of the players do not move to development in any open source proejct |
| 17:23.27 | rathis | Compare that to a text editor, where any developer will never move on. |
| 17:23.28 | JeffM | but you may be right in that it leads to devs wondering why they bother |
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| 17:23.48 | JeffM | our developers don't move on |
| 17:23.54 | JeffM | they just don't do anything |
| 17:24.04 | rathis | At all? |
| 17:24.09 | JeffM | not really |
| 17:24.14 | JeffM | unless they are bugged daily |
| 17:24.23 | rathis | But they do things unrelated to BZF, no |
| 17:24.24 | rathis | ? |
| 17:24.42 | JeffM | you won't find any developer any where that is single project |
| 17:24.47 | rathis | Motivationally, they've moved on. |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM | I think they lack direction |
| 17:25.49 | rathis | Clarification of what I am saying: Anyone who uses a text editor isn't likely to move away from that editor unless they find a better text editor. |
| 17:26.17 | rathis | BZFlag, on the other hand, is populated by a userbase of people who usually move on regardless of if they have found a better alternative. |
| 17:26.23 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM | assuming bzflag never changes |
| 17:26.49 | JeffM | with games they are suposed to change over time to keep people playing |
| 17:26.59 | rathis | Even if it did change, people would move on, because most people stop playing games when they get older. |
| 17:27.11 | JeffM | you really think that? |
| 17:27.14 | rathis | Yes. |
| 17:27.19 | JeffM | I don't |
| 17:27.34 | JeffM | and zanga would disagree with you as well |
| 17:28.01 | rathis | Practically every male child plays video games these days. That is not at all true for male adults. |
| 17:28.16 | JeffM | you think that the 10 million people playing WoW are kids? |
| 17:29.13 | rathis | No, but the majority are < 25 |
| 17:29.20 | JeffM | not at all |
| 17:29.43 | rathis | Do you have a case study which I can reference? |
| 17:30.12 | JeffM | do you? |
| 17:30.17 | JeffM | I am going from exp playing the games |
| 17:31.13 | rathis | Ok, WoW might be a bit different. |
| 17:31.31 | rathis | According to the google: "The average player's age is 28" |
| 17:31.47 | rathis | However, I still consider 28 to be young. :) |
| 17:36.15 | JeffM | yes people in the 50's don't play many |
| 17:36.21 | JeffM | but those that grew up with them still play |
| 17:36.31 | JeffM | what was the last modern game you played? |
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| 17:45.41 | blast007 | it's all about the mine crafts now |
| 17:45.47 | blast007 | and hats |
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| 17:45.56 | JeffM | and lightsabers |
| 17:48.13 | blast007 | rathis: I play with a lot of "older" people in games like Left 4 Dead 2. People in their forties, fifties, and sixties. |
| 17:49.13 | JeffM | if you limit it to the freeware/open source games then yes I think it skews younger, but I don't think it has to be like that |
| 17:50.07 | blast007 | but yeah, in any case, I think I'll just try to get bzflag removed from the next debian/ubuntu release |
| 17:50.32 | blast007 | then if development ever takes off again, we can get a version pushed back in that actually has players.. ;) |
| 17:50.51 | blast007 | no point in having 2.0 linger in the repos |
| 17:51.10 | JeffM | indeeed |
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| 17:53.44 | rathis | blast007: I never ended up trying to remove those rogue files which prevented me from playing. :) |
| 17:53.53 | rathis | blast007: Not enough motivation, I suppose... |
| 17:54.06 | blast007 | which rogue files? |
| 17:54.27 | rathis | blast007: I'm that guy who installed it from source on a mac and can't play anymore. |
| 17:54.32 | blast007 | ah |
| 17:54.47 | rathis | libares we were thinking. |
| 17:54.51 | JeffM | ahh you are on a mac... thats why you don't know about real games |
| 17:55.38 | blast007 | hey, Museum Madness and Sim City are real games! |
| 17:55.42 | rathis | JeffM: WoW? Haha. But I also have a gaming rig. This is just my laptop |
| 17:55.50 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 17:57.49 | JeffM | but really what kind of modern games do you play? I'm wondering what gave you this opinion |
| 17:59.40 | rathis | BF3, L4D2, TF2, COD99 |
| 17:59.50 | JeffM | all shooters |
| 17:59.55 | JeffM | ok that makes sense |
| 18:00.03 | rathis | AOE |
| 18:00.06 | JeffM | I'll agree with you for 25 for FPSers |
| 18:00.25 | rathis | Minecraft :) |
| 18:00.29 | rathis | TRAIN SIMULATOR |
| 18:00.43 | JeffM | those 2 will be a LOT older |
| 18:00.55 | rathis | Just kidding, I have never played Train Simulator. |
| 18:01.13 | rathis | Minecraft seems youngish to me. A lot of former WoW addicts on there. |
| 18:01.36 | JeffM | kids do like it, but a TON of adults play it |
| 18:01.42 | rathis | SW:KOTOR, Portal 2 |
| 18:01.53 | rathis | Skyrim |
| 18:02.03 | rathis | I love SW:KOTOR |
| 18:02.09 | rathis | So much. |
| 18:02.11 | JeffM | you can't even sell skyrim to someone under 18 :) |
| 18:02.19 | JeffM | then you should play the old republic |
| 18:02.40 | rathis | I dunno, it didn't look the same. I don't like MMORPGs as much. |
| 18:02.52 | JeffM | it is a true bioware game |
| 18:03.06 | JeffM | same conversations ectc.. |
| 18:03.20 | rathis | I find that when I play MMORPGs, I want there to be the level of human interaction I can have in real life. |
| 18:03.23 | rathis | But it's not there. |
| 18:03.33 | JeffM | it can be if you play with friends |
| 18:03.41 | JeffM | but you can play swtor solo |
| 18:03.53 | rathis | Wait, really? |
| 18:04.01 | JeffM | yeah just don't talk to anyone |
| 18:04.07 | JeffM | I only group with my real life friends |
| 18:04.32 | JeffM | and we use voice chat |
| 18:07.41 | rathis | Cool. |
| 18:10.55 | BulletCatcher | blast007: I agree with the removal of BZFlag 2.0 from Debian, regardless of whether it is replaced with 2.4. |
| 18:13.34 | blast007 | wonder what other distros still have old versions |
| 18:14.42 | JeffM | we know gentoo does not |
| 18:14.46 | JeffM | what does redhat have? |
| 18:15.00 | BulletCatcher | Fedora has 2.4. |
| 18:15.34 | BulletCatcher | Red Hat itself doesn't include BZFlag at all. |
| 18:15.52 | JeffM | sure |
| 18:15.56 | mdskpr_ | gentoo has both versions |
| 18:16.06 | JeffM | I had forgoten what the "community" name was |
| 18:16.29 | blast007 | centos |
| 18:17.25 | BulletCatcher | CentOS has BZFlag? It is supposed to be just a repackaged version of RHEL. |
| 18:17.38 | blast007 | no |
| 18:17.39 | BulletCatcher | If we can get 2.0 out of Debian, Ubuntu and its other derivatives should drop it as well. |
| 18:17.40 | BulletCatcher | That ought to take care of the most popular distros. |
| 18:17.47 | blast007 | thought that was what JeffM didn't remember the name of |
| 18:18.04 | BulletCatcher | ah |
| 18:18.05 | blast007 | unless he was referring to you mentioning fedora |
| 18:20.56 | BulletCatcher | http://distrowatch.com/ ranks popularity half way down its right column. |
| 18:21.29 | BulletCatcher | #1 Mint is based on Ubuntu. |
| 18:22.49 | blast007 | yeah, so getting it out of debian/ubuntu should clean it out of a lot of distros over time |
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| 18:26.19 | BulletCatcher | OpenSUSE 12.1 (latest release) has BZFlag 2.4. |
| 18:27.23 | blast007 | 2.4.0 has a bug with replays not showing ricos |
| 18:27.57 | BulletCatcher | That is fixed in 2.4.1, IIRC. |
| 18:28.00 | blast007 | luckily most server owners that give a crap will just run from SVN anyway |
| 18:28.02 | blast007 | yep |
| 18:29.44 | JeffM | he must be rushing off to get xmission ready for this year |
| 18:30.26 | blast007 | or maybe he's running his IRC client off that server and just had another drive in the RAID5 fail |
| 18:30.57 | blast007 | those 18.2GB drives are supposed to last forever though! |
| 18:32.22 | JeffM | gig, I think you mean meg |
| 18:32.41 | blast007 | no, they were 18.2GB SCSI U160 drives |
| 18:34.46 | JeffM | I know he means well, he's just so far out of it that it's funny |
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