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| 02:39.53 | cp | hi |
| 02:43.12 | cp | a map is killing my bots :P |
| 02:43.46 | cp | im testing maps for a game with friends, and when i try to use bots for it, they are all destroyed by server |
| 02:43.51 | cp | any idea why? |
| 02:51.40 | cp | hello? |
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| 03:25.48 | cp | hello |
| 03:27.32 | McSpider | cp: does the map have a water level? |
| 03:29.36 | cp | i think |
| 03:29.38 | cp | so |
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| 03:29.55 | cp | yeah |
| 03:34.42 | cp | is that why? |
| 03:52.56 | delusional | cold be some other death physics |
| 03:54.38 | McSpider | cp: yeah that would be it. if the bots cant spawn on buildings they spawn in the water and die instantly. |
| 03:55.02 | cp | is water an insta kill for all tanks? |
| 03:55.12 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.37 | cp | and why isnt this an issue for human players? |
| 03:56.46 | McSpider | umm, do the human tanks die if they drive into the water? |
| 03:56.54 | JeffM | they should |
| 03:56.59 | JeffM | tanks don't float |
| 03:57.08 | McSpider | unless its a custom water object |
| 03:57.26 | JeffM | well that's not water to the game, that's a mesh :) |
| 03:57.37 | JeffM | waterlevel means you die if you go under that Z level |
| 03:57.53 | McSpider | yeah but to the player is is water either way |
| 03:57.58 | JeffM | sure |
| 03:58.09 | JeffM | it's just graphics at that point |
| 03:58.13 | cp | so why arent the human tanks dying? |
| 03:58.25 | JeffM | dunno |
| 03:58.45 | cp | can bots spawn on buildings if -sb is on? |
| 03:58.57 | JeffM | the spawn is up to the server not the bot |
| 03:59.03 | JeffM | so I don't see why not |
| 03:59.19 | McSpider | yeah but they instantly head/drive for the ground and then die if its a waterlevel |
| 03:59.29 | JeffM | well yeah they are dumb |
| 03:59.32 | JeffM | they don't know about it |
| 03:59.46 | JeffM | solo bots don't know about much of the game world |
| 03:59.59 | JeffM | they don't use flags, they don't know about death drivers |
| 04:00.31 | McSpider | yeah |
| 04:00.58 | JeffM | http://wiki.bzflag.org/WaterLevel |
| 04:01.10 | JeffM | note "this water plane is deadly to all tanks that cross it" |
| 04:01.24 | JeffM | if you can drive into the water and not die that is a bug |
| 04:03.21 | JeffM | blast007, I think I could fix the flag buffer right now |
| 04:03.32 | BulletCatcher | Real floating tanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD_tank |
| 04:05.24 | delusional | no hovertanks? |
| 04:05.34 | JeffM | not in this game |
| 04:05.41 | JeffM | bztanks can't even drive over a curb |
| 04:05.42 | delusional | jumphets |
| 04:06.40 | JeffM | that is not the same as driving over a curb ;) |
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| 17:20.09 | JeffM | wonders if a xmas mirriacle will save bzflag :) |
| 17:53.45 | Supertanker | Maybe Santa will bring us something! |
| 17:53.57 | JeffM | or the krampus |
| 17:56.18 | Supertanker | That DD Tank article is interesting. |
| 17:56.34 | Supertanker | "A floating, flame-thrower equipped..." << Totally what BZFlag needs for Christmas. |
| 17:56.52 | Supertanker | And a corresponding "ice-tank" flag that is especially vulnerable but can freeze other tanks. And a Santa flag. Yes. |
| 17:57.08 | Supertanker | Amazing that that design works--it looks so *flimsy.* |
| 17:57.23 | JeffM | when everyone dies in one hit how is a tank "especially vulnerable"? |
| 17:59.10 | Supertanker | Once again proving that two hours of sleep != good when you're used to about eight. |
| 17:59.28 | Supertanker | Protip: don't try to "relax" before bed by planning out a novel. It just. Doesn't. Work. |
| 17:59.33 | JeffM | or proving that bzflag's gameplay is too limiting to allow for ineresting expansion |
| 18:00.23 | Supertanker | Eh, limitations are good. |
| 18:00.50 | Supertanker | Extensibility (providing multi-hit at discretion of crazy server owners and other things through plugins) would be nicer. |
| 18:01.00 | Supertanker | Especially if the server is keeping track of tank health. :) |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM | as we said before, the server has to be able to play the entire game |
| 18:01.36 | Supertanker | Are you familiar with Quake III's source code? (Note: I'm not.) Tremulous' game server proved to be really playable on dialup and I think it uses some sort of interpolation. |
| 18:01.42 | JeffM | yes I am |
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| 18:01.51 | JeffM | it works like we explained yesterday |
| 18:02.13 | JeffM | input is sent to the server, the server processes the game and sends back info to the clients |
| 18:02.16 | Supertanker | It seems to be a good mix between the server running everything and letting the client do some simulation (but the server overrides it). |
| 18:02.26 | JeffM | yes that's how everyone does it |
| 18:02.36 | JeffM | that's the standard way |
| 18:03.00 | Supertanker | I was thinking of games that are more strict and how much they suck on dialup. |
| 18:03.01 | JeffM | it's talored to lower player counts with fast movement |
| 18:03.24 | JeffM | it woudl be silly for us to talor the game for dialup |
| 18:03.25 | Supertanker | If you need someone with a laggy connection for testing, I am your person,heh. |
| 18:03.38 | Supertanker | I know, but it'd probably be valuable to have someone with some latency for testing. |
| 18:03.57 | JeffM | oh most modern networking engines can simulate latency |
| 18:03.59 | JeffM | that's the easy part |
| 18:04.14 | Supertanker | Heh, even Firefox--someone wrote a plugin to simulate dialup loading times. |
| 18:04.15 | JeffM | the bandwith limit on dialup would be the part that would be limiting |
| 18:04.17 | Supertanker | Brilliant. |
| 18:04.44 | Supertanker | True. My connection has a realistic limit of around 27kbit. It tends to get saturated at ~5 players or so, sooner if it's a server with 9368045368 shots. |
| 18:04.54 | JeffM | you just have to decide if you care about people on dialup or people who are not always online |
| 18:04.58 | Supertanker | I really wish people would play "vanilla" BZFlag a little more. :/ |
| 18:05.11 | JeffM | it's booring |
| 18:05.25 | JeffM | do you wish people still played pong? |
| 18:05.26 | Supertanker | It takes a long time to get good, too. |
| 18:06.07 | Supertanker | One of my professors has a 4-player Pong console. Then again, he thinks the Atari 2600 is the best thing to program with since sliced bread. :) |
| 18:06.14 | Supertanker | Not arguing either way, but he's interesting, that's for sure. |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM | sure in an acedemic way |
| 18:06.37 | Supertanker | Ah well, it'll be interesting to see what sort of design the server has. |
| 18:06.54 | Supertanker | Not sending updates to players that don't need them will result in less bandwidth, but more features might use more. |
| 18:06.56 | JeffM | I'd prefer a practical game, not something that people just look at in school |
| 18:06.59 | Supertanker | s/more features/new features/ |
| 18:07.00 | Supertanker | Exactly. |
| 18:08.07 | JeffM | oh there are so many things we can do with a smart server |
| 18:08.08 | Supertanker | Amphibious BZFlag seems like it'd actually be fun. |
| 18:08.25 | JeffM | flags for abbiliies are silly |
| 18:08.42 | Supertanker | I'm picturing a map with a large bay--bases on each side. Even without the flag, actually, that seems like it could be fun. |
| 18:08.45 | JeffM | things should just have properties that give effects |
| 18:08.51 | Supertanker | Island hopping :) |
| 18:08.53 | JeffM | and pickups can add or remove affects |
| 18:08.56 | JeffM | effects |
| 18:09.02 | Supertanker | Wait, isn't there actually a map called Island Hopping? |
| 18:09.19 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:09.44 | Supertanker | Nevermind then. :) |
| 18:10.04 | JeffM | well that's the point of scripting |
| 18:10.16 | JeffM | to allow map based customizations to do all kinds of neat things |
| 18:10.50 | JeffM | embed javascript or lua into the systems and it's easy to tweak it |
| 18:11.50 | Supertanker | Maybe Santa will bring us some people who have a firm grasp on coding and motivation to get stuff done :/ |
| 18:12.09 | JeffM | why would they come here, those people would be making there own game now |
| 18:12.12 | JeffM | they don't need us |
| 18:13.05 | Supertanker | True. |
| 18:13.12 | Supertanker | Actually, I'm a little surprised no one has forked the game yet. |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM | because it is not a good place to start |
| 18:13.35 | Supertanker | Well, I'd be more surprised if they forked it and the project actually succeeded. |
| 18:13.42 | Supertanker | True. The codebase is *nasty.* |
| 18:13.46 | JeffM | there are so many better places to start |
| 18:13.54 | JeffM | and the code has no features anyone wants |
| 18:13.57 | Supertanker | Like from scratch. :) |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM | no, there are libs for all the parts you need |
| 18:14.18 | JeffM | graphics, sim, physics, sound, input, and networking |
| 18:14.39 | Supertanker | I was referring to the game-specific code, but yes. :) |
| 18:14.40 | JeffM | ogre, ode, openal, sdl, and enet |
| 18:14.46 | JeffM | what game specfici code? |
| 18:14.59 | JeffM | what the flags do? |
| 18:15.04 | JeffM | cus that's IT |
| 18:15.11 | Supertanker | Exactly. |
| 18:15.22 | JeffM | that is super simple to replicate |
| 18:15.29 | JeffM | and probably the part they want to change |
| 18:15.31 | Supertanker | That's the "from scratcH" part. That's the only part that needs stuck into the libraries. It just takes people with motivation. Sadly. |
| 18:16.02 | JeffM | that part can be done with scripts |
| 18:16.08 | Supertanker | Ah well. :/ At least the game is still utterly addicting to play on a LAN. |
| 18:16.08 | JeffM | and can be done in a day |
| 18:16.15 | JeffM | sure, it's a lan game |
| 18:16.16 | Supertanker | Can't believe I got my boss addicted to it. That's just hilarious. |
| 18:16.35 | JeffM | and people that say that don't play many other games |
| 18:17.15 | JeffM | I see the people that stick around are ones that don't buy games |
| 18:17.34 | Supertanker | I'll be the first to admit that I am not a gamer. |
| 18:17.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:17.52 | JeffM | the people that do play games see us and leave |
| 18:17.58 | Supertanker | BZFlag seems more of a programmer's game than a gamer's game. |
| 18:17.59 | JeffM | since we are so odd |
| 18:18.18 | JeffM | it's an old game |
| 18:18.21 | JeffM | that's all |
| 18:18.27 | JeffM | it's for people that like chess |
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| 19:12.36 | Supertanker | It makes me wonder how much effort should be spent trying to revamp it for new players who want a completely different gameplay experience, because then it seems it'd be bzflag just in name. It'd be like remaking chess into, I don't know, zombies vs knights with light-up LEDs and miniature working flamethrowers. |
| 19:13.06 | Supertanker | I'd rather just play it to death with friends on a LAN. |
| 19:21.56 | JeffM | oh I would not keep the name |
| 19:22.03 | JeffM | much simpler to pick a new one |
| 19:23.06 | Supertanker | You have two options: a name that makes sense (such as "Tank Wars") or a traditional Open Source name (such as "kOpenQTTankBattleGLfree") |
| 19:23.36 | Supertanker | Personally, I think the first option is better. Up to you. Your choice. |
| 19:24.05 | JeffM | yeah a game needs a proper name and branding |
| 19:24.19 | JeffM | Open names tend to work for libs that other people use |
| 19:24.27 | JeffM | not finished applications |
| 19:24.33 | Supertanker | Yes, and thankfully the greater public does not have to stare at them. |
| 19:24.36 | JeffM | firefox is not called "openBrowser" |
| 19:25.07 | JeffM | even tho I do own the name OpenCombat |
| 19:25.35 | Supertanker | Heh, is there a project attached to it? |
| 19:25.40 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:26.05 | Supertanker | Hmm[BHeh. |
| 19:27.27 | JeffM | the name is more of an umbrella for a larger project I'd like to see done, one where you have a single game with multiple game styles in it |
| 19:27.39 | Supertanker | As long as it has some relation to the project...I got tired of seeing Tremulous forks with names that absolutely did not relate to the game at all and were incredibly generic. Then again, "Tremulous" is pretty generic, isn't it? |
| 19:27.59 | Supertanker | (Heh, and now that I think about it, none of those forks got off the ground. Tremulous is dying, too.) |
| 19:28.01 | JeffM | FPS players runing dudes around, Tank players driving vehicles, flight sim players flying, RTS players defending bases. |
| 19:28.13 | Supertanker | Oooh, that sounds ambitious...and fun. |
| 19:28.14 | JeffM | I would not fork bzflag |
| 19:28.29 | JeffM | let bzflag diminish and have it's retirement |
| 19:28.43 | Supertanker | Yes; I mean that, if you're making a tank game, please give it a name that suggests it's a tank game. :) |
| 19:28.54 | JeffM | I would not limit it to tanks |
| 19:29.00 | Supertanker | And not something like "Injustice" or something absurd. |
| 19:29.02 | JeffM | I would make a vehicle combat game |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM | where a tank is one of the vehicles |
| 19:29.23 | JeffM | games setup like bzflag would just happen to only use tanks |
| 19:29.31 | Supertanker | Hey, it could have real floating tanks. And jeeps. And strike fighters. Okay, I like this. :) |
| 19:29.38 | JeffM | excatly |
| 19:30.09 | JeffM | yet if you want a game configured like bzflag, give everyone the same tank, make all shots do 100% damage with 0 splash radius |
| 19:30.32 | JeffM | limit them to one pickup at a time and just define the pickups |
| 19:30.37 | JeffM | it'd play a lot like bzflag |
| 19:32.20 | Supertanker | Heh, I'm imagining BZFlag like mechanics in a flight sim. |
| 19:32.23 | Supertanker | That sounds absurdly fun. |
| 19:32.50 | Supertanker | I'm presuming it would be more arcade-style controls rather than a realistic sim. (Terminal Velocity vs MS Flight Sim.) |
| 19:33.24 | JeffM | foods |
| 19:40.56 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22291 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/ (5 files): (performance) Prefer prefix ++/-- operators for non-primitive types. |
| 19:46.04 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22292 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/ (NetHandler.cxx ServerListCache.cxx): (performance) Prefer prefix ++/-- operators for non-primitive types. |
| 19:47.59 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22293 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/Intersect.cxx: (style) The scope of the variable 'hitPlane' can be reduced |
| 19:49.26 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22294 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/ServerItem.cxx: (style) The scope of the variable 'fAge' can be reduced |
| 19:51.39 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22295 10/trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/MeshSceneNode.cxx: (style) The scope of the variable 'faceTexture' can be reduced |
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| 20:02.12 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22296 10/trunk/bzflag/src/mediafile/ (AudioFile.cxx ImageFile.cxx): (warning) Member variables not initialized in the constructor. |
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| 20:09.58 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22297 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Address.h src/net/Address.cxx): |
| 20:09.58 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (performance) Function parameter 'hname' should be passed by reference. |
| 20:09.58 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (performance) Function parameter 'hostname' should be passed by reference. |
| 20:14.13 | blast007 | Supertanker: heh, I was just playing the shareware version of Terminal Velocity on my Pentium 200MHz MMX over the weekend ;) |
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| 20:19.18 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22298 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/ (ObstacleMgr.cxx ObstacleModifier.cxx): (performance) Prefer prefix ++/-- operators for non-primitive types. |
| 20:22.28 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22299 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshDrawInfo.cxx: performance) Possible inefficient checking for emptiness. |
| 20:24.30 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22300 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshFace.cxx: (style) Variable 'totalArea' is assigned a value that is never used |
| 20:26.58 | JeffM | Supertanker, oh yeah realistic games would be booring, you'd drive/fly for 30 min then press a button at a flashing triangle on a screen |
| 20:27.02 | JeffM | then drive home |
| 20:28.09 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22301 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshObstacle.cxx: |
| 20:28.10 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) The scope of the variable 'i' can be reduced |
| 20:28.10 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) Checking if unsigned variable 'triSize' is less than zero. |
| 20:28.42 | JeffM | grrr why does he check in at the exact moment I'm starting a test build :) |
| 20:29.33 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:31.39 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22302 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLGState.cxx: (error) Invalid number of character (() when these macros are defined: 'DEBUG_GL_MATRIX_STACKS'. |
| 20:35.23 | trepan | is Tupone committing towards 2.6? guess I could check the logs... |
| 20:35.41 | blast007 | nah, just small tweaks |
| 20:35.53 | blast007 | fixing warnings |
| 20:36.13 | blast007 | still on 2.4 |
| 20:36.21 | trepan | i saw that much: just wondering, why? :) |
| 20:36.35 | blast007 | shrugs :P |
| 20:37.32 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22303 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLUtils.cxx: (performance) Prefer prefix ++/-- operators for non-primitive types. |
| 20:44.09 | JeffM | I think he's just fixing warnings on gentoo so he can build debug |
| 20:45.11 | JeffM | so far no new warnings or breaks so he's doing fine |
| 20:45.29 | JeffM | once I turned off the C++ new behavor warning for constructors |
| 20:47.07 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22304 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx: (style) Consecutive break or continue statements are unnecessary |
| 20:47.58 | JeffM | I haven't seen him make any structural changes at all |
| 20:51.42 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22305 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: (warning) Member variables not initialized in the constructor. |
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| 20:53.11 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22306 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLJoystick.cxx: (warning) Member variable 'SDLJoystick::joystickButtons' is not initialized in the constructor. |
| 20:53.57 | JeffM | mdskpr_, were you going to commit fixes to holdTheFlag? |
| 20:54.49 | mdskpr_ | oh ya, thx for reminding me |
| 20:55.18 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22307 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (24 files in 24 dirs): remove DESCRIPTION from def files, it was de-supported back in VC6 |
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| 21:08.05 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) The scope of the variable 'ret' can be reduced |
| 21:08.05 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) The scope of the variable 'i' can be reduced |
| 21:08.05 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (warning) Member variables not initialized in the constructor. |
| 21:10.41 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03mudskipper * r22309 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/HoldTheFlag/HoldTheFlag.cpp: Remove strncasecmp--not portable. Fix up the parsing. |
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| 21:23.42 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22311 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/PlayerInfo.h: (warning) Member variables not initialized in the constructor. |
| 21:25.32 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22312 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/pdcurses.vcproj: Suppress Runtime security warnings. |
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| 21:32.47 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22314 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/customflagsample/customflagsample.def: remove DESCRIPTION from def files, it was de-supported back in VC6 |
| 21:33.36 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22315 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (killall/killall.vcproj regFlag/regFlag.vcproj): 64 bit portability checks are always on so do not ask for them; prevents link warning |
| 21:36.08 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22316 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiTextureLabel.h: (style) Technically the member function 'HUDuiTextureLabel::getTexture' can be const. |
| 21:36.16 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22317 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (rabbitTimer/rabbitTimer.cpp wwzones/wwzones.cpp): double to float warnings. |
| 21:52.37 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22318 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (MainWindow.cxx MainWindow.h): |
| 21:52.37 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) Technically the member functions 'MainWindow::getFullscreen' 'MainWindow::isGrabEnabled' |
| 21:52.37 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 'MainWindow::isInFault' can be const |
| 21:53.08 | allejo | i can't believe there are so many revisions today :o |
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| 21:54.16 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22319 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerCommandKey.cxx: (style) Unused variable: banPattern |
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| 21:58.08 | JeffM | it's all just warnings |
| 21:59.26 | allejo | i think this is the most work CIA-109 has done in one day |
| 21:59.43 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22321 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: |
| 21:59.44 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) The scope of the variable 'timeFromFront' can be reduced |
| 21:59.44 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: (style) The scope of the variable 'n' can be reduced |
| 21:59.44 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: Put a note for 'operator=' should check for assignment to self |
| 21:59.45 | JeffM | oh god no |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM | real projects would do a lot more |
| 22:00.12 | JeffM | some projects push cia into a seperate channel just so they can talk |
| 22:01.06 | JeffM | tupone is doing the same kind of cleanups all over the code, he's just commiting them one file at a time it seems |
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| 22:07.43 | allejo | it's the most work CIA-109 has done for us :P |
| 22:09.54 | JeffM | sure whatever :) |
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| 22:14.28 | Tanx | There's someone on zig, that claims to have hit the wrong button when they registered (agreement, over/under age), and they don't have a printer. |
| 22:14.54 | JeffM | they can make a new account |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM | but you have to send an email, not a real letter |
| 22:15.07 | JeffM | so that sounds silly |
| 22:16.21 | blast007 | Tupone has probably got them in some DVCS and is pushing them back to SVN |
| 22:16.30 | JeffM | probably |
| 22:16.42 | JeffM | they do come in batches |
| 22:17.59 | blast007 | Tanx: there is nothing to print. Also, generally I call BS on "I hit the wrong button! I'm really over 13!!" |
| 22:18.39 | JeffM | that means "I didnt' realize they would take me seriously" |
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| 22:19.27 | Tanx | I figured as much, like they couldn't get what ever it is they have to get under a certain age, I figured I'd ask though anyways |
| 22:19.52 | blast007 | it asks them if they were born before or after a certain date |
| 22:19.56 | Propane_Tank | so i want to make it snow on my maps...but if i mess with density, it snows up (or it may just do it after a while, idk) is that fixable or a bug? |
| 22:20.00 | blast007 | so perhaps they don't know when they were born |
| 22:20.05 | Tanx | lol |
| 22:20.34 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: the snow goes up instead of down? |
| 22:20.49 | Propane_Tank | well it goes down at first, then it started going up |
| 22:20.53 | Tanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.58 | blast007 | just turn your screen over |
| 22:21.09 | blast007 | and shake it |
| 22:21.13 | blast007 | and then put it back down |
| 22:22.11 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: do a /diff and see what all has changed |
| 22:22.57 | Propane_Tank | what am i suppose to do with that? |
| 22:23.31 | blast007 | read |
| 22:23.47 | blast007 | check what _rain vars are different than the defaults |
| 22:24.06 | blast007 | it will only list things that are not default |
| 22:24.18 | Propane_Tank | so how do u know what the default is? |
| 22:24.51 | JeffM | didn't I do a snow preset? |
| 22:24.57 | blast007 | yes, you did |
| 22:24.58 | JeffM | and how did you set the speed? |
| 22:25.09 | JeffM | to a + value or a -value? |
| 22:25.16 | Propane_Tank | me? + |
| 22:25.20 | blast007 | that goes up |
| 22:25.28 | JeffM | yeah Z+ is up |
| 22:25.30 | JeffM | use - |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM | did you change the speed or density? |
| 22:25.43 | JeffM | or both? |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM | IIRC the speed is multiplied by the vector then used over time |
| 22:26.21 | Propane_Tank | well. i want to change both...is density the same? |
| 22:26.39 | JeffM | density is a count not a vector scaler |
| 22:26.52 | Propane_Tank | is the count in the entire world? |
| 22:26.55 | JeffM | no |
| 22:27.01 | Propane_Tank | just per little area? |
| 22:27.04 | JeffM | no |
| 22:27.07 | JeffM | I'd have to look |
| 22:27.16 | JeffM | I think it's how often we make a new flake |
| 22:27.18 | JeffM | I'll look |
| 22:27.47 | blast007 | default density is 1000, default speed is -100 |
| 22:28.03 | blast007 | default spread is 500 |
| 22:28.32 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: there's a _rainSpeedMod too, which defaults to 10 |
| 22:29.02 | blast007 | ah, though it depends on the rain type :) |
| 22:29.10 | blast007 | the presets can change any of those |
| 22:29.18 | Propane_Tank | who do i make it seem more natural? i messed with density a bit and now it comes in waves |
| 22:29.25 | Propane_Tank | how* |
| 22:30.03 | blast007 | isn't the default for snow good enough? |
| 22:30.25 | Propane_Tank | well it seems to be a bit sparce |
| 22:30.30 | Propane_Tank | sparse* |
| 22:30.37 | Propane_Tank | tring to make it look a bit more natural |
| 22:30.40 | blast007 | well, you don't want to kill everyone's FPS |
| 22:31.07 | Tanx | yeah some of us have bad computers |
| 22:31.14 | blast007 | on my server, without snow from one viewpoint I get 37FPS, and with snow I get 28.. that's about a 25% drop :P |
| 22:31.56 | Tanx | it is possible to crash a server with too much too, propane |
| 22:33.07 | blast007 | don't think you'd crash the server... the server doesn't draw snow |
| 22:33.12 | blast007 | the client, perhaps |
| 22:33.42 | Tanx | I know you can with rain |
| 22:33.56 | blast007 | know you can what? |
| 22:34.02 | Tanx | crash a server |
| 22:34.05 | blast007 | how? |
| 22:34.17 | Tanx | waaaaay too much density |
| 22:34.24 | blast007 | again, how does that crash bzfs? |
| 22:34.38 | blast007 | the server does not draw rain. it just sends a number to the client. |
| 22:34.48 | Tanx | not sure how, but the server disappeared |
| 22:35.03 | blast007 | what server was this? |
| 22:35.21 | Tanx | not entirely sure, this was like 6 or so years ago |
| 22:36.09 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: there's a rain slider on the client too which affects the density. Is yours turned up all the way? |
| 22:36.53 | Propane_Tank | i only changed speed, density, and type, but i set speed to be -100, but it seems faster, idk. i was alot up higher |
| 22:37.06 | Propane_Tank | time to go to work |
| 22:37.26 | blast007 | -100 is the default .. |
| 22:37.39 | blast007 | so yeah -100 won't seem faster than -100 :P |
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| 22:37.58 | blast007 | well, actually -20 is the rain default ... |
| 22:38.10 | blast007 | in any case, it doesn't affect the snow that has already fallen |
| 22:38.28 | JeffM | yeah the weather isn't efficent at all |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM | what do you mean by "more natural" |
| 22:39.10 | JeffM | it will only ever fall in a line |
| 22:39.16 | blast007 | he wants each flake to be unique |
| 22:39.22 | JeffM | it won't "float" or do any compliex motion |
| 22:39.27 | JeffM | heh, every flake is identical :) |
| 22:39.32 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:39.38 | blast007 | and that's not natural! |
| 22:41.15 | blast007 | hehe, and a _rainDensity of 1000000 makes my intel chipset cry tears of red |
| 22:43.00 | blast007 | (but nothing crashed) :P |
| 23:00.34 | JeffM | yeah it should not crash it'll just be slow |
| 23:00.48 | JeffM | IIRC it just slogs thru the particles |
| 23:01.51 | JeffM | ok so density is the total number of rain particles being drawn at any one time |
| 23:02.34 | JeffM | but yes, the speed needs to be negative if you want it to go down |
| 23:03.30 | blast007 | and from the looks of it, the density gets multiplied by up to 10 depending on the client settings |
| 23:04.10 | JeffM | and the speed will be modified by +- the speed mod |
| 23:04.26 | JeffM | sucks I never did a vector for it |
| 23:04.51 | blast007 | ah, actually no it doesn't. The userRainScale gets divided by 10. |
| 23:05.45 | JeffM | that makes sens then it's up to the map defined density |
| 23:05.53 | blast007 | yep |
| 23:06.23 | JeffM | snow does a speed of -20 +- 5 |
| 23:06.38 | JeffM | with no puddles |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM | I wonder what the problem with CULLING_RAIN is |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM | it's set to false |
| 23:10.54 | blast007 | heh, and snow/rain in front of semi-transparent objects behaves odd |
| 23:11.02 | blast007 | seems to render behind the object instead |
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| 23:13.04 | JeffM | oh yeha it's not sorted at all |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM | it's drawn BEFORE the map |
| 23:13.32 | JeffM | and it dosn't update the depth buffer |
| 23:13.40 | JeffM | it is a total hack |
| 23:13.50 | JeffM | the only reason I wrote it was to piss someone off |
| 23:16.22 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:19.42 | blast007 | I weep for today's youth... "anyone know how i can turn a postive number into a negative number?" |
| 23:19.54 | JeffM | who said that? |
| 23:20.07 | blast007 | someone on a JavaScript library channel |
| 23:20.18 | JeffM | wow |
| 23:21.46 | blast007 | that's the kind of programmer that doesn't escape input into a database ;) |
| 23:22.05 | JeffM | I hear they run out of tacos |
| 23:22.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:22.30 | blast007 | though that programmer knew how to negate a number :P |
| 23:28.36 | JeffM | multiplication is hard |