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| 04:02.08 | cp | is there a reason bzadmin would have huge lag? |
| 04:02.23 | a_meteorite | the lag reported for bzadmin clients is incorrect |
| 04:02.57 | blast007 | bzadmin does not reply to the ping packets |
| 04:03.08 | cp | its not just that |
| 04:03.11 | cp | im running a command |
| 04:03.19 | cp | and it doesnt happen till seconds later |
| 04:04.23 | blast007 | are you passing commands to run on the command line? or is this an interactive client? |
| 04:04.29 | cp | interactive client |
| 04:04.33 | cp | on windows servere |
| 04:04.39 | blast007 | heh, windows.. |
| 04:04.41 | cp | so that may be why |
| 04:04.50 | JeffM | no it's just funny |
| 04:05.10 | a_meteorite | oh, windows... |
| 04:05.12 | blast007 | the bzadmin in the 2.4.0 windows package was not built with PDCurses |
| 04:05.20 | blast007 | so it will be the stdout/stdin mode |
| 04:05.27 | blast007 | a.k.a., ultra-suck |
| 04:05.32 | cp | ah |
| 04:05.51 | blast007 | may just be making it *look* like it's taking seconds to run |
| 04:05.52 | blast007 | dunno |
| 04:06.01 | cp | that makes some sense |
| 04:06.04 | blast007 | on linux w/ curses, it seems pretty fast |
| 04:06.13 | blast007 | I don't use bzadmin on windows |
| 04:06.29 | cp | ok |
| 04:06.33 | cp | other question |
| 04:06.39 | cp | one person keeps getting kicked |
| 04:06.47 | cp | bzfs on windows |
| 04:06.50 | cp | is that why? |
| 04:06.51 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 04:07.10 | cp | or is it internet connection? |
| 04:07.11 | a_meteorite | windows has... let's say issues... with bzfs |
| 04:07.13 | JeffM | no way to know |
| 04:07.17 | cp | ok |
| 04:07.35 | blast007 | run on linux instead |
| 04:07.48 | blast007 | not worth our time to debug bzfs on windows |
| 04:07.49 | JeffM | if it still happens, it's your connection |
| 04:07.59 | cp | ok |
| 04:08.53 | cp | is bzfs resource intensive at all on linux? |
| 04:08.58 | a_meteorite | no |
| 04:08.59 | JeffM | god no |
| 04:09.01 | cp | ok |
| 04:09.14 | cp | so could i probably use an old laptop? |
| 04:09.15 | blast007 | not on Windows or OSX or BSD or * either |
| 04:09.18 | a_meteorite | 10 year old hardware, no problem |
| 04:09.20 | JeffM | bzflag in general is not resource intensive |
| 04:09.23 | cp | ok |
| 04:09.57 | blast007 | a 200MHz system should be more than enough for running bzfs, for instance ;) |
| 04:10.05 | blast007 | I just wouldn't want to *compile* bzfs on that |
| 04:10.08 | cp | oh |
| 04:10.18 | cp | then i might even use an older, cooler desktop |
| 04:12.16 | JeffM | remember bzflag is a 12 year old lan game |
| 05:46.30 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03Wildrune11 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r0 10/User:Wildrune11: |
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| 05:57.56 | explodes | Hey,, I'm trying to build 2.4 but it is not getting past autogen.sh... |
| 05:58.04 | explodes | Nevermind its done :) |
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| 06:06.20 | explodes | Ok. I got an error on make |
| 06:06.33 | explodes | ssluse.c:(.text+0x2fa1): undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' |
| 06:08.53 | JeffM | install sdl dev |
| 06:09.01 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03Wildrune11 07http://wiki.bzflag.org * r8146 10/Dodging: /* How to dodge efficiently */ - Added a method for dodging |
| 06:09.05 | explodes | libsdl1.2-dev right... |
| 06:09.13 | JeffM | and curl dev |
| 06:09.59 | explodes | libcurl-dev ? |
| 06:10.30 | JeffM | sure |
| 06:11.02 | explodes | Its a virtual package, I'll install libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 06:11.51 | JeffM | ok |
| 06:11.57 | explodes | Still, undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' |
| 06:12.05 | JeffM | do the autogen again |
| 06:19.45 | explodes | How long ago was 2.4 released? |
| 06:20.09 | JeffM | several months ago |
| 06:20.41 | explodes | Will there ever be a debian package? |
| 06:20.51 | JeffM | the maintainer has not submited one |
| 06:25.58 | JeffM | he no longer cares |
| 06:26.06 | explodes | The requirement for libcurl should be added to the wiki |
| 06:26.20 | JeffM | it isn't required, it's part of the debian wierdnees |
| 06:26.22 | explodes | A new maintainer should be chosen! |
| 06:26.41 | JeffM | we are working on getting a new one |
| 06:27.19 | explodes | Well, it should be added to http://wiki.bzflag.org/Ubuntu_and_bzflag_2.4 |
| 06:27.26 | JeffM | ok |
| 06:28.04 | explodes | Thanks |
| 06:28.58 | JeffM | techincaly we don't require it since we can build it, it just dosn't build right on some debian systems |
| 06:31.07 | explodes | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.37 | explodes | Man, my computer is slow |
| 06:31.45 | explodes | Each file takes about 1 second to compile |
| 06:32.01 | explodes | 1-10 seconds even. |
| 06:32.33 | JeffM | umm ok |
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| 15:05.16 | blast007 | explodes: what operating system are you trying to build on? |
| 15:13.36 | blast007 | explodes: I'm assuming Ubuntu 11.10 due to the 3.0.0 kernel? |
| 15:14.52 | blast007 | I'd recommend getting the code from SVN instead of using the 2.4.0 source tar. And in there we have a README.Linux that has the correct packages you need to install to build. |
| 15:15.03 | blast007 | the 2.4.0 readme wasn't quite right |
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| 17:37.39 | spldart_droid | Surely someone has gonna ahead and built a deb package and posted it on the forums so peeps can just dpkg -i 2.4 |
| 17:37.58 | JeffM | maybe someday |
| 17:39.30 | spldart_droid | Geez! Maybe i should... |
| 17:39.42 | blast007 | I built some for 64-bit |
| 17:39.42 | JeffM | blast has been trying to make one |
| 17:40.01 | spldart_droid | Whas stable checkout? |
| 17:40.12 | blast007 | it was a 2.4.1 build |
| 17:40.12 | spldart_droid | Whats |
| 17:40.17 | blast007 | oh |
| 17:40.21 | blast007 | trunk |
| 17:40.23 | JeffM | heh... stable |
| 17:40.28 | JeffM | what is that? |
| 17:40.31 | spldart_droid | Oh! |
| 17:40.33 | blast007 | and yeah, depends on your definition of stable ;) |
| 17:40.39 | spldart_droid | 64 bit |
| 17:41.22 | blast007 | how is 64-bit more stable than 32-bit? |
| 17:41.27 | spldart_droid | I was thinking x86 |
| 17:41.40 | JeffM | same qustions applies |
| 17:41.46 | blast007 | is confused what spldart_droid is talking about |
| 17:41.52 | JeffM | bzflag does not run on the same stable, testing, experimental system that debian does |
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| 17:42.13 | spldart_droid | There is stability issues with 2.4 on deb? |
| 17:42.19 | JeffM | no |
| 17:42.22 | JeffM | stop saying stable |
| 17:42.31 | JeffM | this word, I do not think it means what you think it means |
| 17:42.38 | spldart_droid | Oh |
| 17:42.40 | JeffM | blast007, you built it against ubuntu release right? |
| 17:42.51 | blast007 | yes, I built it against ubuntu |
| 17:43.06 | blast007 | the two most recent ubuntu releases, iirc |
| 17:43.08 | JeffM | then it could be thought of as being for debian "testing" |
| 17:43.14 | JeffM | or stable |
| 17:43.17 | JeffM | try it and see |
| 17:43.56 | spldart | ok... 2.4... that's current 'RELEASE' correct? |
| 17:44.03 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:44.11 | JeffM | that was the last release |
| 17:44.18 | JeffM | 2.4.1 is the current dev code |
| 17:44.22 | JeffM | it'll be as new as you can get |
| 17:44.23 | spldart | ok |
| 17:44.24 | blast007 | 2.4.1 (svn trunk) has a few build fixes |
| 17:44.51 | spldart | And there is or is not a 2.4 .deb package out there? |
| 17:45.03 | spldart | assuming current release debian |
| 17:45.30 | spldart | just curious |
| 17:45.39 | JeffM | there is not a 2.4.0 one |
| 17:45.44 | spldart | ic |
| 17:45.49 | JeffM | tim has not made an official one |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | blast made one from trunk and is trying to make it so tim is no longer the maintainer of debian |
| 17:46.12 | spldart | Ah! IC |
| 17:46.24 | blast007 | think I'm close to getting it to build nicely |
| 17:46.30 | JeffM | it is a huge pain in the buttox |
| 17:46.39 | blast007 | I should play around with it more today |
| 17:46.41 | JeffM | since the old maintainer dosn't seem to care much for the project |
| 17:47.17 | spldart | I was just thinking to myself... 'self... you should build a a 2.4 deb package on your current stable debian rig and post a link' But now i'm thinking 'self.. you haven't done that in a long time and maybe nobody will care if you did' |
| 17:47.18 | blast007 | tim had actually made some changes to the debian control file that seemingly wasn't tested, because it caused it to fail ;) |
| 17:47.19 | spldart | lol |
| 17:47.48 | blast007 | spldart: not to mention it's not an easy process |
| 17:47.49 | spldart | Oh @ blast007 |
| 17:47.56 | JeffM | blast007, but anyone can just make a package! |
| 17:47.57 | spldart | No.. it wasn't easy then |
| 17:47.59 | blast007 | the 'debian' directory is no longer part of our source tree |
| 17:48.02 | spldart | sounds like it's harder now |
| 17:48.07 | JeffM | and it'll all be rainbows and unicorns |
| 17:48.49 | blast007 | the way it SHOULD work at some point is that there's a bzflag-2.4.2.orig.tar.gz, a bzflag-2.4.2.debian.tar.gz, and a bzflag2.4.2.dsc file (or something like that.. forget the exact naming scheme) |
| 17:49.10 | blast007 | and that .dsc file gets passed to a build program, and it points at those two tar.gz files |
| 17:49.36 | blast007 | the orig.tar.gz contains unmodified upstream source code, and the debian tar.gz contains the debian directory |
| 17:50.08 | blast007 | the debian directory handles all the debian-specific stuff, including adding any necessary patches to the original code to make it work properly with debian (or to fix security issues, etc) |
| 17:50.55 | spldart | Your talking how this is suppossed to work 'officially' with debian? |
| 17:51.01 | JeffM | sounds overly complex |
| 17:51.07 | JeffM | spldart yes |
| 17:51.41 | blast007 | need to read the docs so I know how to generate that .dsc file |
| 17:51.44 | JeffM | so that we can get a debian developer to sign the package to get it submited to the repo |
| 17:51.46 | blast007 | then I can start testing builds |
| 17:52.20 | blast007 | I'll be testing builds for plain debian at first |
| 17:52.32 | blast007 | then I'll figure out the best way to do both ubuntu and debian on a single system |
| 17:53.00 | JeffM | I have an ubuntu 64 bit system here if you need testing |
| 17:53.03 | spldart | Yeah. I was just wondering if somebody has built an unofficial deb for 32 and 64 processors and the current stable deb or perhaps deb and ubuntu (since they are so similar) and perhap... you know what... I'mma check something |
| 17:53.05 | blast007 | k |
| 17:53.09 | JeffM | this machine dual boots |
| 17:53.19 | JeffM | I think it's on the last ubunutu but I can upgrade it |
| 17:53.47 | blast007 | that'd be fine anyway |
| 17:53.49 | JeffM | unless I'm playin swtor, then you are boned |
| 17:53.55 | blast007 | :) |
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| 18:08.21 | spldart | Thanks blast. Sry everyone else. I wasn't clear on what I wanted to do. I didfn't care about offical repos. But there are other issues since the last time I built an unoffical deb package for my personal use and the use of friends. |
| 18:11.30 | JeffM | thats why I want to just do self updating software :) |
| 18:12.15 | spldart | I did like how the windows ver client updated itself. |
| 18:12.30 | JeffM | that'd be a start |
| 18:12.49 | JeffM | but I'd like a system more like a MMO where when you start it just "patches" |
| 18:12.58 | spldart | ah |
| 18:12.59 | JeffM | gets any new updates, new resources, etc.. |
| 18:13.03 | JeffM | then we don't have to do releases |
| 18:13.11 | JeffM | just push features to live |
| 18:14.35 | JeffM | it's not like older versions of the game are that useful |
| 18:14.41 | spldart | Just a major release once in a while and all the rest gets updated each time you run the app assuming there is something new for it to grab. Sounds... Mainstream ;) |
| 18:15.06 | JeffM | I would never do a major release |
| 18:15.08 | JeffM | no point |
| 18:15.19 | JeffM | constant rolling updates |
| 18:16.05 | JeffM | how often do you go play an old version of world of warcraft? |
| 18:17.42 | spldart | eventually a start point gets to old right? and a new installer gets released and then all updates and patches start from there right? Or am I thinking inside the box? XD |
| 18:18.10 | JeffM | yeah you just need a small deliverable that starts the update process |
| 18:18.21 | spldart | ooOOoo. perhaps the installer is completely seperate entity from the proggie itself |
| 18:18.31 | JeffM | bingo |
| 18:18.34 | spldart | executing the installer grabs the app and all patches and upgrades |
| 18:18.38 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:18.41 | spldart | ok |
| 18:18.43 | spldart | i get it now |
| 18:18.45 | spldart | sry |
| 18:18.48 | spldart | for being dense |
| 18:18.50 | JeffM | it's called the "launcher" in modern terms |
| 18:19.04 | spldart | makes mental notes |
| 18:19.56 | spldart | >food |
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| 18:29.58 | JeffM | heh java is so not opensource that it has to be removed from people's machines |
| 18:33.48 | blast007 | not quite |
| 18:33.56 | blast007 | misleading headline/summary |
| 18:34.11 | JeffM | it is interesting that sun is moving to openJDK as a reference |
| 18:34.14 | JeffM | well it is slashdot |
| 18:34.22 | JeffM | they would die rather then give a proper headline |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM | or say anything nice about MS |
| 18:34.54 | JeffM | it all still runs on the closed source runtimes right? |
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| 18:37.30 | _YI_ | hi all.....i have question |
| 18:37.36 | JeffM | go for it |
| 18:38.21 | _YI_ | I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 and the repositories don't have Bzflag 2.4.0 |
| 18:38.29 | JeffM | yep |
| 18:38.35 | JeffM | there is no package for 2.4.0 yet |
| 18:38.43 | JeffM | the maintainer has not submited one |
| 18:38.45 | _YI_ | so if i go onto bzflag.cpm downloads which download should i choose? |
| 18:38.57 | JeffM | we are working on making packages and geting a new maintainer to submit them |
| 18:39.01 | JeffM | source, you have to build it |
| 18:39.08 | _YI_ | is that easy? |
| 18:39.19 | _YI_ | i have never built a package before |
| 18:39.23 | JeffM | you will need to install some dependencies before |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM | you are not building a package, just bzflag from source |
| 18:39.38 | JeffM | it will not be tied to your package manager at all |
| 18:39.44 | _YI_ | right |
| 18:39.48 | JeffM | are you 64 bit? |
| 18:39.53 | _YI_ | no |
| 18:40.02 | JeffM | yep then you have to build |
| 18:40.09 | _YI_ | ok |
| 18:40.17 | JeffM | we have an unoffical 64 bit package for ubuntu |
| 18:40.19 | _YI_ | i cant use the tar.bz2? |
| 18:40.27 | JeffM | thats source |
| 18:40.34 | JeffM | just zipped up |
| 18:40.38 | _YI_ | oh ok |
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| 18:41.32 | JeffM | there is a linux readme in there that should get you started |
| 18:41.34 | blast007 | _YI_: necessary build dependencies are here: https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/README.Linux |
| 18:41.36 | _YI_ | what is the first command to building it? (It just finished downloading) |
| 18:41.42 | _YI_ | noh ok Jeff |
| 18:41.43 | blast007 | the ones in the 2.4.0 tar are a bit wrong |
| 18:41.44 | JeffM | read that doc |
| 18:41.48 | _YI_ | oh* |
| 18:42.01 | JeffM | then install the compilers and dev libs |
| 18:42.12 | blast007 | install the deps first, then configure, then make, then sudo make install |
| 18:42.35 | short_circuit | I hate this. We are losing some users over this crud :( |
| 18:42.47 | JeffM | dude we are loosing users over WAY more then this |
| 18:42.54 | JeffM | debian is a minority platform |
| 18:43.24 | _YI_ | yeah bzflag needs to get a 2.4 package up on repositories because i saw bad reviews because there weren't any people on to play with. |
| 18:43.24 | short_circuit | true to both of those statements |
| 18:43.27 | short_circuit | so true |
| 18:43.37 | blast007 | _YI_: sucks to be them |
| 18:43.42 | _YI_ | true |
| 18:43.54 | blast007 | we can't get new packages on older ubuntu/debian releases anyway |
| 18:44.03 | JeffM | _YI_, you have to be a debian developer to get a signed package uploaded, our debian developer (bzflag's owner) hasn't and won't do it |
| 18:44.13 | JeffM | so we have to fight to get a new maintainer |
| 18:44.25 | JeffM | so we are trying the best we can |
| 18:44.30 | blast007 | and even then, it will only get put into debian testing |
| 18:44.31 | _YI_ | ahh ok |
| 18:44.37 | JeffM | yep |
| 18:44.46 | blast007 | so sqeeze will still have 2.0.16 |
| 18:44.49 | JeffM | debian dosn't allow us to put it into a release that has shipped |
| 18:44.56 | JeffM | unless it has security fixes |
| 18:45.09 | JeffM | apt does not work well for games that have version compatilbity requirements |
| 18:45.09 | blast007 | there is debian backports, so we'll see if that can be used |
| 18:45.20 | _YI_ | sounds like alot of unnecessary bureaucracy |
| 18:45.23 | blast007 | that would still need players to actually enable backports and tell it to grab from there |
| 18:45.25 | JeffM | yep |
| 18:45.37 | blast007 | _YI_: their system just isn't designed well for a game like ours |
| 18:46.07 | JeffM | autopatch.. all about autopatch |
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| 18:49.24 | JeffM | one glorious deliverable :) |
| 18:51.26 | _YI_ | Does it matter what version the dependencies are? |
| 18:51.37 | blast007 | those are the actual package names |
| 18:51.42 | blast007 | just install those exact things |
| 18:52.35 | _YI_ | i searched for the libcurl3-dev dependency in my software manager....it didnt find any results |
| 18:52.58 | blast007 | try on the command line, or see if there's a libcurl4-dev |
| 18:53.54 | blast007 | or it's probably something like libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
| 18:54.25 | _YI_ | it found that |
| 18:54.32 | _YI_ | ill try that |
| 19:01.45 | _YI_ | All of the dependencies are downloaded and installed... |
| 19:02.04 | blast007 | and you extracted the source? |
| 19:02.16 | _YI_ | Im sorta confused with the instructions on the other website |
| 19:02.32 | blast007 | did you extract the source? |
| 19:02.35 | _YI_ | how do i do that... (sorry im not very familiar with linux) |
| 19:03.03 | blast007 | which do you have: tar.gz, tar.bz2, or an SVN checkout? |
| 19:03.11 | _YI_ | tar.bz2 |
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| 19:03.43 | blast007 | tar -xjf bzflag-2.4.0-or-whatever-its-called.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:04.52 | _YI_ | kk i did...and i went into the bzflag folder |
| 19:05.09 | _YI_ | then it says to do a make distclean |
| 19:05.19 | blast007 | ./configure |
| 19:05.23 | blast007 | and read the resulting output |
| 19:05.29 | blast007 | it will tell you want it will build |
| 19:05.40 | blast007 | so if it doesn't say it's building the client, you'll need to determine why |
| 19:05.53 | _YI_ | ok...it is building now |
| 19:06.04 | blast007 | nope, it's configuring now ;) |
| 19:06.08 | blast007 | the build will be after this |
| 19:06.19 | _YI_ | oh :P |
| 19:06.28 | JeffM | it will take a while |
| 19:06.29 | blast007 | configure determines what libraries are on the system and if the system is capable of building everything |
| 19:06.45 | blast007 | how many CPU cores do you have? |
| 19:06.52 | _YI_ | 1 |
| 19:06.56 | blast007 | ew |
| 19:07.00 | _YI_ | it is an old computer |
| 19:07.03 | JeffM | he said he was 32bit |
| 19:07.15 | _YI_ | haha i know blast....but it is finished |
| 19:07.15 | JeffM | multicore 32bit is super rare |
| 19:07.25 | blast007 | well, he said his linux was 32-bit.. doesn't mean his CPU was :) |
| 19:07.37 | _YI_ | true |
| 19:07.45 | JeffM | modern ubuntu should isntall the right thing for the CPU and it preferes 64 IIRC |
| 19:07.57 | blast007 | uh, no.. you download the one you want |
| 19:08.01 | _YI_ | but it finished already so don't hate it Blast ;) |
| 19:08.01 | JeffM | what kind of computer is it? |
| 19:08.12 | JeffM | that's just configure, that dosn't take long |
| 19:08.13 | _YI_ | IBM Thinkpad T43 |
| 19:08.14 | JeffM | the build does |
| 19:08.17 | _YI_ | noh |
| 19:08.21 | _YI_ | *oh |
| 19:08.23 | blast007 | pentium m? |
| 19:08.32 | _YI_ | centrino |
| 19:08.43 | JeffM | hope you got some snickers |
| 19:08.57 | blast007 | centrino isn't a CPU :) |
| 19:08.58 | _YI_ | :( is it really that bad? |
| 19:09.08 | _YI_ | oh it isnt?? |
| 19:09.15 | blast007 | it's a collection of parts |
| 19:09.17 | JeffM | centrino is a chipset |
| 19:09.20 | blast007 | CPU, chipset, wireless |
| 19:09.25 | JeffM | usualy having a pentium M as the CPU |
| 19:09.31 | JeffM | but soemtimes a core solo |
| 19:09.35 | _YI_ | ahh...well then yes u think it is a pentium |
| 19:09.42 | _YI_ | *i |
| 19:09.58 | _YI_ | Well anyway...the config is done |
| 19:10.07 | JeffM | read the output |
| 19:10.12 | JeffM | did it say it would build a client? |
| 19:10.34 | _YI_ | yes client, server, and bzadmin client |
| 19:10.39 | blast007 | do 'make' now |
| 19:10.57 | _YI_ | ok it is going |
| 19:10.58 | blast007 | and then start your 50 mile jog |
| 19:11.09 | _YI_ | haha |
| 19:11.16 | _YI_ | not funny ;) |
| 19:11.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:11.45 | blast007 | I imagine it will take roughly an hour |
| 19:11.46 | _YI_ | what do you have an 8core 3.6ghz cpu? |
| 19:11.56 | JeffM | 4 cores, 2.8 |
| 19:12.04 | JeffM | tho it's getting time to upgrade |
| 19:12.09 | _YI_ | oh...thats nice...8 cores is an overkill |
| 19:12.13 | blast007 | no, only a 4 core 3.3GHz, though it generally runs at 3.4GHz ;) |
| 19:12.16 | JeffM | not really |
| 19:12.20 | JeffM | I'll probably get 6 or 8 |
| 19:12.25 | _YI_ | what do you use it for? |
| 19:12.27 | JeffM | it really speeds up building |
| 19:12.40 | JeffM | and modern games are threaded |
| 19:12.51 | _YI_ | my dad says that once you get over 4 cores....the rest is wasted |
| 19:13.03 | JeffM | for some stuff yes |
| 19:13.04 | blast007 | sure, if you're playing Solitare |
| 19:13.09 | _YI_ | lolz |
| 19:13.24 | JeffM | I have experimental apps that run dosens of threads |
| 19:13.25 | blast007 | when I'm running 6 VMs, more cores is nice :) |
| 19:13.32 | JeffM | heck yeah |
| 19:13.34 | _YI_ | Well i have to go do some Homework while it builds |
| 19:13.50 | _YI_ | Thanks! |
| 19:14.02 | blast007 | no prob |
| 19:14.18 | blast007 | once it's done, you can do 'sudo make install' and then run 'bzflag' at the shell |
| 19:14.32 | _YI_ | ok |
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| 19:26.40 | _YI_ | It is finished |
| 19:26.51 | JeffM | any errors? |
| 19:27.29 | _YI_ | At the end it says "Nothing to be done for `all-am'. " a couple times |
| 19:27.37 | _YI_ | but i think that is fine |
| 19:28.07 | blast007 | you could try running it to check |
| 19:28.18 | _YI_ | running what? |
| 19:28.23 | blast007 | 'src/bzflag/bzflag' from the source directory |
| 19:28.34 | blast007 | or if you installed it already, 'bzflag' from the shell |
| 19:28.45 | _YI_ | oh...well ill just do the other step |
| 19:28.51 | _YI_ | the sudo make install |
| 19:28.55 | blast007 | do you have 2.0 installed? |
| 19:28.57 | blast007 | if so, remove that first |
| 19:29.13 | _YI_ | no |
| 19:29.16 | blast007 | k |
| 19:29.21 | blast007 | then yeah, sudo make install |
| 19:29.38 | _YI_ | ok |
| 19:29.41 | _YI_ | it workds |
| 19:29.45 | _YI_ | *works |
| 19:29.53 | blast007 | the game runs? |
| 19:29.55 | _YI_ | Thanks again |
| 19:29.57 | _YI_ | yes |
| 19:30.02 | blast007 | cool :) have fun |
| 19:30.10 | JeffM | did it say 2.4 in the chat text? |
| 19:30.15 | _YI_ | i will |
| 19:30.19 | _YI_ | yes Jeff |
| 19:30.42 | blast007 | hmm, CIA-109 is dead/slow |
| 19:30.46 | blast007 | kills CIA-109 |
| 19:30.47 | CIA-109 | dies |
| 19:30.52 | blast007 | well, now it's dead, for sure |
| 19:31.21 | blast007 | cia.vc site is sloooow right now |
| 19:32.19 | blast007 | in any case, I applied a fix from debian that removes bzflag from the '3DGraphics' category.. that's more for 3D modeling software, not games |
| 19:32.32 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:32.43 | blast007 | and that was the only debian-specific patch we had :) |
| 19:38.02 | mdskpr_ | JeffM: in the bug: "time limit does not take jupming into consideration when holding agility", what is a time limiter? |
| 19:38.19 | JeffM | dunno |
| 19:38.36 | mdskpr_ | you posted the bug....:) |
| 19:38.52 | blast007 | he posted all the ones from the BUGS file |
| 19:38.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:39.10 | JeffM | if it dosn't make sense, close it and we'll wait for someone to complain |
| 19:40.45 | blast007 | or find who originally posted it in the BUGS file |
| 19:41.19 | blast007 | you'll have to work your way back through revisions, since the file had been reformatted at least once, so an annotate/blame would show the one who reformatted it, not who added it |
| 19:42.32 | blast007 | did 1.10 have agility? |
| 19:43.00 | mdskpr_ | no |
| 19:43.04 | mdskpr_ | it was introduced in 2.0 |
| 19:43.08 | mdskpr_ | along with WG |
| 19:43.40 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/BUGS?r1=6356&r2=6357&pathrev=6357 |
| 19:44.08 | mdskpr_ | ahh ty ty |
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| 20:22.12 | JeffM | surwe |
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| 20:25.16 | Supertanker | Is there any way to make -solo bots pick upo flags? |
| 20:25.26 | JeffM | they will do what they do |
| 20:25.30 | JeffM | the logic is harcoded |
| 20:25.34 | JeffM | and they are pretty dumb |
| 20:27.10 | JeffM | but no, there are no "options" for solo bots so you can't make them do anything different then what they do |
| 20:29.14 | Supertanker | So it takes tinkering. Will modifying the client code prevent me from playing online? |
| 20:29.21 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:29.35 | JeffM | unless you break something that prevents you from playing online :) |
| 20:29.45 | Supertanker | I'll do my best to avoid that. Thanks. :) |
| 20:29.48 | mdskpr_ | or you get banned for doing it :) |
| 20:30.05 | JeffM | well with bots you should be playing on your own server anyway |
| 20:30.09 | JeffM | so that should not be an issue |
| 20:30.44 | Supertanker | Very good point. |
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| 20:53.53 | blast007 | it might take more than simply allowing them to grab flags |
| 20:54.16 | blast007 | for example, even if you /flag give a solo bot a laser, I don't know if they actually SHOOT a laser |
| 20:57.40 | Supertanker | I'm browsing through the source code. |
| 20:58.06 | Supertanker | If nothing else, I found where I could tell them to ignore stealth/cloak players (unless they happen to be in their field of view) |
| 20:58.24 | Supertanker | That's always bugged me a bit, especially since the driving code ignores invisible bullets :P |
| 21:01.09 | blast007 | cloaked players don't need to be in their field of view - they have a radar |
| 21:01.29 | blast007 | technically they *can't* be in your field of view, since you can't see them ;) |
| 21:01.58 | Supertanker | Yeah--cloak and stealth I always get mixed up |
| 21:02.10 | Supertanker | But that would require tinkering to make them keep looking for a few seconds even if they disappear from their FOV |
| 21:02.34 | Supertanker | Otherwise it's like waving a balloon in front of a kid's nose and saying "Look! Shiny!" |
| 21:08.29 | JeffM | I belive the autopilot has better logic for some things |
| 21:09.01 | Supertanker | Heh, yep; bots don't realize they have flags. |
| 21:09.19 | Supertanker | The only problem with autopilot is that I dislike having to open a bunch of windows to get three or four bots going. |
| 21:09.38 | Supertanker | It also taxes the video card and CPU more than a headless bot would (haven't looged at bzrobots yet) |
| 21:09.39 | JeffM | yes, I'm just saying you may be able to USE some of that code in your modes to solobots |
| 21:09.51 | JeffM | bzrobots is not complete yet |
| 21:10.17 | Supertanker | Well, I'll take a look. Autopilot is definitely scarrier to face :) |
| 21:10.29 | JeffM | the best way to do bots would be with server side players |
| 21:10.34 | JeffM | but they need a lot of work |
| 21:11.59 | Supertanker | Has anyone started code to support that? |
| 21:12.11 | Supertanker | Huh, here's that university that has a headless bot for BZFlag 1.7 or so. |
| 21:12.17 | Supertanker | I wonder if that's client or server side. |
| 21:12.26 | JeffM | the framework is in the API |
| 21:12.37 | JeffM | just the server dosn't know about things like shots |
| 21:14.22 | Supertanker | Sounds more like a separate module attached to hte server that acts like aclient and less of something integrated into the server itself. |
| 21:14.35 | JeffM | it is a plugin |
| 21:14.42 | JeffM | but it's a plugin on the server |
| 21:14.47 | JeffM | thats why they are better |
| 21:14.58 | JeffM | you can have more then one, so you can build bots with diffferent logics |
| 21:15.21 | Supertanker | Ahhhhhhh. |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM | they are also better since they can only be added by a server owner, not just anyone who joins any server |
| 21:18.13 | JeffM | then it's the owner's choice to have them not the player |
| 21:19.36 | Supertanker | I compltely missed the plugins/ directory. |
| 21:20.42 | JeffM | it is commonly used to customize a server |
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| 23:46.46 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22236 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: (performance) Prefer prefix ++/-- operators for non-primitive types. |
| 23:46.56 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22237 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/TeamBases.h: (warning) Member variables 'TeamBase::*' are not initialized in the constructor. |
| 23:47.18 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22238 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.h: (warning) Member variables 'CmdLineOptions::*' are not initialized in the constructor. |
| 23:47.32 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22239 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/GameKeeper.h: (warning) Member variables 'ShotInfo::*' are not initialized in the constructor. |
| 23:47.47 | CIA-109 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r22240 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Authentication.h: (style) Technically the member function 'Authentication::isGlobal' can be const. |