| 00:02.03 | blast007 | you can't change the map while the server is running |
| 00:02.32 | blast007 | and if by "random map" you mean something that picks a random map file to load, no |
| 00:04.42 | blast007 | there is a random map generator built-in that gets used if no world is specified, but that's proabably not what you mean |
| 00:07.17 | cp | does the mapchange plugin not work on 2.4? |
| 00:17.28 | blast007 | was it built for 2.4 or 2.0? |
| 00:17.34 | blast007 | I don't see that as being an official plugin |
| 00:18.21 | blast007 | or are you trying to build it? you'll have to be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 00:20.36 | cp | its on the wiki as a plugin |
| 00:20.41 | cp | seems to be designed for 2.0 |
| 00:20.55 | cp | im trying to build it but it can't find some dependencies |
| 00:21.27 | blast007 | dependencies? |
| 00:21.34 | blast007 | again, you need to be more specific ;) |
| 00:21.47 | blast007 | a 2.0 plugin will not build for 2.4 without modifications |
| 00:22.08 | blast007 | http://wiki.bzflag.org/BZFS_API_2.4_Upgrade |
| 00:22.54 | cp | it had a class extending bz_eventHandler |
| 00:23.27 | cp | which im trying to update to work with bz_Plugin |
| 00:24.01 | blast007 | that page I linked documents what you need to do |
| 00:24.18 | blast007 | most stuff is pretty similar |
| 00:28.23 | cp | i feel stupid for asking this |
| 00:28.29 | cp | but whats a callback? |
| 00:29.33 | JeffM | a function pointer |
| 00:30.39 | cp | is that the BZF_PLUGIN_CALL thing? |
| 00:35.24 | JeffM | no |
| 00:35.37 | JeffM | where is the plugin you found? |
| 00:36.23 | cp | its linked from the bzflag wiki |
| 00:36.34 | cp | http://wiki.bzflag.org/Mapchange |
| 00:36.35 | JeffM | and because I am not psycic..... |
| 00:38.28 | JeffM | heh.. and he takes credit for my plugin...nice |
| 00:42.30 | JeffM | ok yeah that should update just fine using the instructions |
| 00:42.33 | JeffM | it's pretty simple |
| 00:46.16 | cp | do i want to put bz_load into Init? |
| 00:48.54 | cp | wait |
| 00:48.55 | cp | nvm |
| 00:49.05 | cp | i see some more stuff ill try first |
| 00:50.16 | JeffM | read the document |
| 00:50.22 | JeffM | it says what gets turned into what |
| 00:52.23 | cp | yep |
| 01:00.40 | cp | its complaining about opening bzfs.lib |
| 01:00.45 | cp | says "cannot open" |
| 01:00.53 | JeffM | do you have one? |
| 01:00.58 | cp | yep |
| 01:01.00 | JeffM | and you are on windows? |
| 01:01.03 | cp | yep |
| 01:01.09 | cp | where do i put it? |
| 01:01.27 | JeffM | wherever it can find it |
| 01:01.41 | JeffM | same folder as the .sln works |
| 01:03.36 | blast007 | also, good luck running a server on Windows |
| 01:03.38 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:03.43 | blast007 | doesn't work as well as other platforms |
| 01:04.02 | cp | any particular reason? |
| 01:04.53 | blast007 | because we don't care enough? :) |
| 01:05.06 | cp | i mean what doesnt work as well? |
| 01:05.19 | blast007 | the network stack on Windows seems to have smaller buffers, so it's more prone to dropped connections |
| 01:05.23 | cp | oh |
| 01:05.29 | cp | im playing with small games |
| 01:05.35 | blast007 | add too many flags, and you can't join |
| 01:05.37 | cp | is that less of a problem then? |
| 01:05.45 | blast007 | and it doesn't take many flags to cause it to choke |
| 01:05.49 | blast007 | 50 flags might kill it |
| 01:06.09 | cp | flags on the field, or flag types? |
| 01:12.36 | cp | would a 9-10 person game be an issue? |
| 01:13.08 | JeffM | depends on your bandwtih |
| 01:13.29 | cp | how much would i need? |
| 01:13.45 | JeffM | how much do you have? |
| 01:13.50 | JeffM | and how many shots |
| 01:13.55 | cp | 4 shots |
| 01:14.04 | cp | 25 mbps dl |
| 01:14.10 | JeffM | dl dosn't mean squat |
| 01:14.11 | cp | 15 ul |
| 01:14.19 | JeffM | 15 megs? |
| 01:14.22 | JeffM | fiber? |
| 01:14.27 | cp | yep |
| 01:14.31 | cp | i think its 15 |
| 01:14.31 | JeffM | should be fine |
| 01:14.52 | cp | cool |
| 01:15.06 | JeffM | what version of windows are you hosting on? |
| 01:15.25 | cp | 7 professional |
| 01:15.35 | JeffM | oh not a server os? |
| 01:15.40 | JeffM | it may have connection limits |
| 01:15.40 | cp | no |
| 01:15.44 | cp | i can put it on one |
| 01:15.51 | cp | if thats a good idea |
| 01:15.56 | JeffM | the Server OSs usualy don't have connection limits |
| 01:16.00 | JeffM | the desktop ones often do |
| 01:16.04 | cp | k |
| 01:16.07 | cp | ill try that |
| 01:16.08 | JeffM | but still linux is a better OS for hosting bzflag |
| 01:16.25 | cp | ok |
| 01:18.17 | cp | is 20 connections enough? |
| 01:18.23 | cp | for 10 ppl, 4 shots? |
| 01:18.32 | JeffM | depends on what else you do on the machine |
| 01:18.49 | cp | k |
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| 01:58.22 | cp | it says "unable to load the plugin" |
| 02:02.06 | blast007 | enable debugging on the server to see why |
| 02:02.21 | blast007 | may have to do more than just level one as well |
| 02:02.32 | blast007 | not sure what level shows better detail |
| 02:04.05 | cp | k |
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| 17:59.32 | cp | hello |
| 17:59.55 | JeffM | hello |
| 18:00.58 | cp | i am trying to load the path of a map from a file |
| 18:01.06 | cp | and use it to load that map when restarting the server |
| 18:01.34 | cp | but when i try setting the worldeventdata worldfile to the string |
| 18:01.41 | cp | the program crashes |
| 18:01.52 | JeffM | what string are you using? |
| 18:02.04 | cp | standard string |
| 18:02.08 | cp | not apistring |
| 18:02.44 | JeffM | well 1) what is the contents of the string, and 2) are you just passing in the std::string or std::string::c_str() ? |
| 18:03.04 | cp | 1) something like maps/mymap.bzw |
| 18:03.20 | cp | 2) im passing in the std::string |
| 18:03.48 | JeffM | the function takes a char* IIRC not a std::string |
| 18:03.51 | JeffM | show me the line that crashes |
| 18:04.02 | cp | worlddata->worldFile=mapFile; |
| 18:05.00 | JeffM | what event are you in? |
| 18:05.16 | cp | bz_eGetWorldEvent |
| 18:05.29 | cp | should i show you the whole function? |
| 18:05.48 | JeffM | no, let me get the code up |
| 18:06.03 | JeffM | I don't remember when that is called |
| 18:08.09 | JeffM | IIRC the worldFile member is an API string and that should have an assignment operator that can take a std::string |
| 18:08.23 | JeffM | what is the working directiory when the server runs? |
| 18:09.23 | cp | c:/users/cp/desktop/bzflag |
| 18:10.41 | JeffM | what is worldData->generated set to? |
| 18:10.49 | cp | not sure |
| 18:10.54 | cp | i don't use that |
| 18:10.56 | cp | should i? |
| 18:11.03 | JeffM | what does it show in your debuger? |
| 18:11.17 | cp | hang on a sec |
| 18:12.18 | cp | im figuring out how to do remote debugging |
| 18:12.52 | JeffM | why do you have to do remote debugging? debug the plugin on your dev machine |
| 18:13.02 | cp | that makes sense |
| 18:13.02 | cp | oh |
| 18:16.33 | JeffM | if generated is false then it will use the map name and just try to load it, same as if it was passed to -world |
| 18:16.54 | JeffM | my guess is the working directory is not set correctly |
| 18:17.09 | JeffM | the simplest way to test that would be to use the full path and see if that fails |
| 18:18.03 | cp | im having trouble debugging it |
| 18:18.21 | cp | how should i be doing that? |
| 18:18.26 | JeffM | debuggins is a major part of development |
| 18:18.49 | cp | any resources i can read? |
| 18:19.22 | JeffM | when I debug a plugin I have a the post build step copy the dll to a location where I have a bzfs, then in the debug options I give the "command" as the path to bzfs and the command line options -loadplugin with the path to where the dll was copied |
| 18:19.32 | JeffM | assuming you are using VC++ |
| 18:20.12 | cp | k |
| 18:20.13 | cp | trying that |
| 18:28.12 | cp | ok |
| 18:28.22 | cp | generated is false |
| 18:37.50 | cp | it works |
| 18:37.52 | cp | thanks |
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| 19:15.28 | JeffM | so the working directory was jsut wrong? |
| 19:53.57 | cp | im not sure |
| 19:54.08 | cp | i rebuilt it and it worked |
| 19:54.24 | cp | hm |
| 19:54.46 | cp | i used c_str instead of just string in setting the map |
| 19:55.04 | cp | actually |
| 19:55.05 | cp | yeah |
| 19:55.13 | cp | i think it was working directory. |
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| 23:37.00 | JeffM | so after all the complaining about MS propritary stuff, the crazy plugin guy is making his plugin in assembly using a propriatary tool. Source code that is tied to windows and can not be moved to ANY other OS...... WTF..... |
| 23:41.04 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:41.45 | blast007 | it was probably the first solution he found when googling for +how +to +build +crappy +"windows dlls" |
| 23:41.46 | JeffM | he's bassicly putting the ones and zeroes in order to make a windows DLL... yeah that's cross platform.... |
| 23:42.01 | JeffM | no, dev C++ would make worse ones :) |
| 23:42.10 | JeffM | and we know he can't google |
| 23:43.09 | blast007 | he only uses cross platform search engines. like bonzai buddy. |
| 23:43.46 | JeffM | lycos |
| 23:43.48 | blast007 | I'm toying around with setting up a debian build system |
| 23:44.10 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:44.25 | blast007 | got a debian squeeze box right now, looking into how to make it build for the various debian releases |
| 23:44.40 | blast007 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto <-- looking through this right now |
| 23:44.42 | JeffM | my VM is debian too |
| 23:45.05 | blast007 | got mine on a physical system |
| 23:45.08 | JeffM | coo |
| 23:45.11 | blast007 | 4GB RAM |
| 23:45.27 | JeffM | aren't you fancy :) |
| 23:45.35 | blast007 | :P |
| 23:45.46 | blast007 | just some spare parts ;) |
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| 23:47.02 | blast007 | first time using LVM |
| 23:47.31 | JeffM | you mean you didn't want to make that freaky raid? |
| 23:47.34 | blast007 | I'm going to document what I'm doing |
| 23:47.55 | blast007 | heh |
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