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| 06:40.37 | I_Died_Once | i cant find what i'm looking for, can someone link me to whatever doc has the hardware minimum requirements to run bzfs ?? |
| 06:43.58 | a_meteorite | I_Died_Once: bzfs is mostly bandwidth heavy, hell I've run it on k6-2's without an issue... |
| 06:44.57 | a_meteorite | 128MB? no problemo. (though I noticed 2.0 seemed to have some memory leaks, or it was possibly plugins, nothing a restart wouldn't fix every month) |
| 06:45.15 | I_Died_Once | yeah i know that its b/w intense... i'm asking more about the minimal cpu processor and ram requirements |
| 06:46.02 | a_meteorite | a low latency system matters more... some VPS's with a lot of contention for instance can suck |
| 06:46.29 | a_meteorite | I'm sure a Pentium 2/K6-2 or higher with a bare Linux install will run it just fine |
| 06:46.45 | I_Died_Once | that is so not what i am asking |
| 06:46.56 | I_Died_Once | not that i do not appreciate |
| 06:47.19 | a_meteorite | what are you asking? you wanted to know minimum CPU and RAM requirements |
| 06:47.57 | a_meteorite | I don't believe there are any dev-handed down "this is the absolute minimum you need" |
| 06:48.04 | I_Died_Once | yeah preferably from a dev that actually knows |
| 06:48.16 | I_Died_Once | no offence |
| 06:48.24 | a_meteorite | I've run bzfs on lots of hardware |
| 06:48.28 | I_Died_Once | speculative self |
| 06:48.32 | I_Died_Once | i bet you have |
| 06:48.41 | I_Died_Once | i ran it on a toaster once |
| 06:48.43 | a_meteorite | it runs great on a K6-2/128MB |
| 06:49.02 | a_meteorite | why don't you just try it on whatever hardware you have? |
| 06:49.17 | a_meteorite | very few people have specs less than that lying around to fire bzfs up on |
| 06:49.44 | I_Died_Once | nm bobby |
| 06:49.51 | I_Died_Once | just... nm |
| 06:50.00 | I_Died_Once | facepalms |
| 06:50.05 | a_meteorite | I_Died_Once: it's not as though there's a kill switch in bzfs that says "okay, I'm not gonna run" :P |
| 06:50.19 | I_Died_Once | you dont know that |
| 06:50.22 | a_meteorite | I do |
| 06:50.31 | I_Died_Once | you act like youve seen the code or something |
| 06:50.36 | a_meteorite | Because I have |
| 06:50.47 | I_Died_Once | </sarcasm> |
| 06:50.48 | a_meteorite | I've developed more than a few plugins and patches |
| 07:07.09 | remote | well |
| 07:07.17 | remote | i died more than you did |
| 07:07.20 | remote | </sarcasm> |
| 07:09.26 | a_meteorite | oh man remote is a zombie |
| 07:09.39 | remote | a zombie? |
| 07:10.06 | a_meteorite | you... died |
| 07:11.20 | remote | well, i run bzs on quad core i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz without any problem |
| 07:11.38 | remote | with 3246296M of ram |
| 07:11.50 | a_meteorite | I'm sure it runs great |
| 07:11.51 | remote | it runs smoothly |
| 07:11.55 | remote | yeah no problem lol |
| 07:12.01 | a_meteorite | With... <1% CPU? |
| 07:12.08 | a_meteorite | And... 20MB of RAM? |
| 07:12.14 | remote | 21022 bzflag 20 0 30904 5632 3008 S 0 0.2 1:45.29 bzfs |
| 07:12.26 | remote | 0.2% memory |
| 07:13.10 | remote | 6492k mem i think |
| 07:13.38 | a_meteorite | Yup |
| 07:14.28 | a_meteorite | I think 20MB of RAM is a stretch (fully loaded server running for a few weeks, seeing as I always used to experience a small memory leak) |
| 07:15.47 | remote | the network location is also kickass |
| 07:16.02 | a_meteorite | where at/what facility? |
| 07:16.22 | remote | montreal/iweb |
| 07:16.36 | a_meteorite | ah, iweb has some nice datacenters |
| 07:17.32 | remote | yeah try it |
| 07:17.34 | remote | bzbz.tuxpirate.com |
| 07:17.48 | remote | lowest ping i ever had on a game server |
| 07:17.53 | remote | but of course i'm in montreal so... |
| 07:18.05 | remote | most people in us get under 100ms lag though |
| 07:18.06 | a_meteorite | that helps ;) |
| 07:18.12 | remote | i get as low at 8ms |
| 07:18.15 | remote | :) |
| 07:18.22 | remote | usually 11 |
| 07:18.30 | a_meteorite | 85ms from AT&T DSL in California |
| 07:21.28 | BulletCatcher | I_Died_Once: Typical bzfs processes use no more than about 20 MB of RAM each. |
| 07:21.29 | remote | good stuff |
| 07:22.12 | BulletCatcher | Any CPU that you have is likely to be adequate as long as it has little else to do. |
| 07:23.33 | BulletCatcher | Like a_meteorite, I used to run a server on a 500 MHz K6-2 CPU. |
| 07:23.45 | BulletCatcher | Only 512 MB RAM, IIRC. |
| 07:24.20 | a_meteorite | indeed. |
| 07:24.48 | a_meteorite | I'm a little bit interested now if my relic Pentium would run bzfs smoothly |
| 07:25.10 | a_meteorite | It probably would... just stick BSD on there |
| 07:25.31 | BulletCatcher | I expect that it would have no trouble. |
| 07:48.39 | remote | #(*!# |
| 07:48.41 | remote | lovely. |
| 07:53.31 | remote | Cleaned-up Tank Mesh |
| 07:53.33 | remote | ? |
| 07:53.36 | remote | what's that do? |
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| 13:41.38 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: I used to run a small 1.7 server on a Pentium 133MHz... doesn't take much |
| 13:42.00 | blast007 | had 32MB of RAM ;) |
| 13:42.18 | blast007 | and took it two weeks to compile bzfs because of that |
| 14:16.16 | Cobra_Fast | amazing |
| 14:21.14 | blast007 | those were the days ... when bzfs was mostly a single HUGE file.. |
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| 19:56.29 | Propane_Tank | anyone who is in IT or knows anything about what I'm about to ask: Is it a sign that your motherboard is diing if it won't boot off your hard drive, but you can take that same hard drive and put in it a different computer and it will boot off it? |
| 19:57.33 | allejo | your IDE controller could be failing i think |
| 20:00.19 | Propane_Tank | i could try booting a cd |
| 20:00.25 | Propane_Tank | i try that. brb |
| 20:00.52 | JeffM | it could be bad ram too |
| 20:02.02 | Propane_Tank | well it used to make two beeps, got it down to one and according to what i found on IBM motherboards, one beep means everything is in check |
| 20:02.14 | Propane_Tank | booted off the cd |
| 20:02.21 | Propane_Tank | threw in a ubuntu live disk |
| 20:03.24 | JeffM | IBM still makes motherboards? |
| 20:03.53 | Propane_Tank | i don't think so. this is from 2002 i think |
| 20:04.09 | Propane_Tank | ibm left consumer electronics a long while back |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:04.19 | Propane_Tank | i'm poor, so all my computers are old ;) |
| 20:04.32 | JeffM | what is it? a pentium 2? |
| 20:04.36 | Propane_Tank | it has a single core 1.8GHz p4 processor in it |
| 20:05.12 | Propane_Tank | the live disk booted and registered all my installed ram |
| 20:05.38 | JeffM | bad ram is shown |
| 20:05.44 | JeffM | you should run a memtest |
| 20:05.56 | JeffM | the computer dosn't know it's bad when it's bad |
| 20:06.00 | Propane_Tank | how do i run that? |
| 20:06.06 | Propane_Tank | is that a linux command? |
| 20:06.11 | JeffM | no |
| 20:06.18 | JeffM | usualy you boot to it |
| 20:06.26 | JeffM | cus you don't want anything else running |
| 20:06.35 | JeffM | some liveCDs have memtest as an option |
| 20:07.09 | JeffM | how much ram do you have? |
| 20:08.00 | JeffM | if you have multiple dimms one thing to try is remove all but one and see if it'll boot |
| 20:08.09 | JeffM | if not replace that dimm with another and try again |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM | if that dosn't work then the mobo is shot |
| 20:08.18 | Propane_Tank | 3 256MB sticks of pc13 |
| 20:08.47 | JeffM | if the mobo is shot, buy a new comptuer, they are super cheap |
| 20:09.15 | Propane_Tank | if it's shot, i'm gonna see if i can switch this processor with the one in another desktop i have |
| 20:09.38 | JeffM | what is the other motherboard? |
| 20:10.14 | Propane_Tank | idk. it's an hp computer that came with win 2000 installed |
| 20:10.32 | JeffM | do you even know what CPU it has? |
| 20:10.47 | Propane_Tank | it's also a p4 at 200MHz slower, but seems slower than a dog |
| 20:10.47 | JeffM | many name brand PCs have bios's that are locked to specific CPUs |
| 20:11.00 | JeffM | it may work |
| 20:11.12 | JeffM | it is probably not the CPU that is slowing it down then |
| 20:11.16 | JeffM | 200mhz is not much |
| 20:11.35 | Propane_Tank | what is then? |
| 20:12.01 | JeffM | depends what it's slow at |
| 20:12.11 | JeffM | could be software, slower ram |
| 20:12.15 | JeffM | slower video card |
| 20:12.18 | JeffM | slow HD |
| 20:13.26 | Propane_Tank | both run xp and have 7200rpm hard drives |
| 20:14.35 | JeffM | seriouslly, you can get a better machine for about 200$ |
| 20:14.44 | JeffM | if all you need is ram,cpu, and mobo |
| 20:14.48 | Propane_Tank | i don't have $200 |
| 20:14.57 | JeffM | mow some lawns :) |
| 20:15.04 | Propane_Tank | lol. in the winter? |
| 20:15.11 | JeffM | shovel some snow |
| 20:15.31 | Propane_Tank | i did that (mow some lawns) i was such a bum i only did one for about 13$ a week |
| 20:15.44 | Propane_Tank | currently i work at mcds |
| 20:15.45 | JeffM | work is work |
| 20:15.53 | Propane_Tank | have for little over a month now |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM | fun |
| 20:18.15 | Propane_Tank | it is fun |
| 20:18.25 | JeffM | you say that now :) |
| 20:18.46 | Propane_Tank | i know. then i'll be doing it every day all day |
| 20:19.10 | Propane_Tank | i gotta enjoy it fun while it lasts |
| 20:19.25 | JeffM | does not regret getting fired from his fast food job |
| 20:19.37 | Propane_Tank | why? |
| 20:19.53 | JeffM | why did I get fired? or why do I not regret it? |
| 20:20.13 | Propane_Tank | well both if you wanna say, but i was asking why you don't regret it |
| 20:20.35 | JeffM | oh cus there are SO many better things to do in life then prepare cheap food |
| 20:20.43 | JeffM | all other jobs after that were much better |
| 20:20.59 | JeffM | I got fired because I repogramed the menu computer and added a new burger, the "Death Star" |
| 20:21.23 | Propane_Tank | :D how'd you manage to do that? |
| 20:21.29 | JeffM | by typing |
| 20:21.38 | JeffM | it was not a complex system |
| 20:22.29 | Propane_Tank | hmmm. running the memtest and says 91% done with test, 30% pass |
| 20:22.45 | JeffM | let it run for a couple hours |
| 20:24.10 | Propane_Tank | i thought the test percentage was how far it was in the test as a whole...guess thats for each individual test |
| 20:24.47 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:25.05 | JeffM | usualty at work we let it do at least 2-3 full passes before we are sure the ram is good |
| 20:25.33 | Propane_Tank | as in running it 2-3 times? |
| 20:25.43 | JeffM | most memtests will automatlcy loop |
| 20:26.07 | Propane_Tank | i'm using the one from Ubuntu 9.04 |
| 20:26.29 | JeffM | well let it finish |
| 20:26.41 | Propane_Tank | that was the plan :P |
| 20:26.46 | JeffM | how much ram is your other system? |
| 20:28.03 | Propane_Tank | 512MB, but if the ram is good, i'd take that over with the processor |
| 20:28.16 | JeffM | that is probably why it is so slow |
| 20:28.19 | Propane_Tank | unless I have more 256MB sticks |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM | it's probably hitting virtual memory a lot |
| 20:28.59 | Propane_Tank | win xp claims it only needs 256 and i've ran it off 256 once before and it wasn't the fastest and you couldn't run many high memory programs either...you know alice? |
| 20:29.12 | JeffM | sure, JUST XP and nothing else |
| 20:29.23 | JeffM | you want a gig of ram |
| 20:29.35 | Propane_Tank | anyways...alice was a high mem program and you could only run alice or it'd crash |
| 20:29.55 | Propane_Tank | and i've used a laptop with only 512mb ram and i could run all kinds of stuff at the same time |
| 20:29.56 | JeffM | high memory? |
| 20:30.06 | Propane_Tank | well for 256MB of ram it was |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM | XP 32 bit has 2 gigs of address space per app |
| 20:30.22 | Propane_Tank | i think it used like 200megs or close to that |
| 20:30.24 | JeffM | it'll use the hard drive and page out it if it has to |
| 20:30.39 | JeffM | an app should not crash in that low amount of ram |
| 20:30.48 | JeffM | getting close to 2 gigs, sure |
| 20:30.57 | JeffM | if it's not large address space aware |
| 20:31.02 | JeffM | but not 200 |
| 20:31.02 | Propane_Tank | i would. i've once had alice and windows media player open and it crashed (alice) on me and i was pissed |
| 20:31.19 | JeffM | you have other problems then |
| 20:31.29 | JeffM | but really you want at least a gig of ram |
| 20:31.44 | JeffM | anothing less then that and you'll have performance issues doing day to day stuff |
| 20:31.47 | Propane_Tank | if i had that much...i would. the most i can make is 256*3 |
| 20:32.19 | JeffM | 768 |
| 20:32.22 | Propane_Tank | yeah |
| 20:32.42 | JeffM | does the machine only have 3 slots? |
| 20:32.50 | Propane_Tank | yup |
| 20:33.04 | JeffM | tis crap then, won't even give you ddr |
| 20:33.31 | Propane_Tank | no shit. these are old computers |
| 20:33.37 | JeffM | language please |
| 20:33.52 | JeffM | well it just means you can't complain about performance :) |
| 20:34.46 | Propane_Tank | i can because the one right next to it (the one i'm having the issues with) seems a whole lot faster |
| 20:34.59 | JeffM | cus it has more ram |
| 20:36.04 | Propane_Tank | task manager says 236 free and 42 in oage |
| 20:36.06 | Propane_Tank | page* |
| 20:36.17 | JeffM | yeah not much |
| 20:36.27 | JeffM | firefox will eat that on boot :) |
| 20:37.19 | Propane_Tank | win xp makes you revalidate if you change all your hardware. |
| 20:37.25 | Propane_Tank | and gives you 3 days to do so |
| 20:37.32 | JeffM | yep |
| 20:37.41 | JeffM | the usualy don't mind an activation a year or so |
| 20:37.58 | Propane_Tank | huh? |
| 20:38.24 | JeffM | usualy the revalidation works if it's been a while between installs |
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| 20:38.44 | JeffM | if not you call them tell them the mobo died and then they authenticate you |
| 20:40.01 | Propane_Tank | no, i've used the same key like a bunch of times. works everytime |
| 20:40.10 | JeffM | oh you are on of those people |
| 20:40.19 | Propane_Tank | what do you mean? |
| 20:40.27 | JeffM | if you are going to be here , please respect software copyright |
| 20:40.44 | JeffM | it is the only thing that keeps bzflag free |
| 20:40.58 | Propane_Tank | no. i got it off a dell laptop i own...either that or the computer i have from win 2000 |
| 20:41.23 | JeffM | that license is for ONE system, that one it came on |
| 20:41.24 | Propane_Tank | xp is so damn old that don't even care anymore. i think it used to limit me |
| 20:41.37 | JeffM | you broke the license when you installed it elsewhere |
| 20:41.45 | JeffM | oh they care |
| 20:41.47 | JeffM | and I care |
| 20:42.03 | Propane_Tank | either way, i've payed for it |
| 20:42.15 | JeffM | no, you payed for a single use license |
| 20:42.32 | Propane_Tank | i only use one system at a time ;) |
| 20:42.41 | JeffM | ether way we don't violate licenses or copyright, if we want bzflag's to be taken seriously then we have to take others seriously |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM | that isn't part of the license you agreed to |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM | there is NO way for you to justify this |
| 20:43.46 | Propane_Tank | Microsoft don |
| 20:43.50 | JeffM | I am very familar with how MS does it's licencing |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM | go read your EULA |
| 20:44.04 | Propane_Tank | 't care. they are pushing away from XP and moving them to 7 |
| 20:44.10 | JeffM | they do |
| 20:44.21 | JeffM | and just because a license is old it dosn't mean you can just ignore it |
| 20:44.23 | Propane_Tank | if they did, then how come my key works every time |
| 20:44.24 | Propane_Tank | ? |
| 20:44.29 | JeffM | BZFlag's license is older then XPs |
| 20:44.41 | Propane_Tank | i'm not talking about the damn licesne |
| 20:44.53 | JeffM | yes.. yes you are, you just don't think you are |
| 20:45.08 | JeffM | you don't own XP, you have been granted a license to use it by it's owners |
| 20:45.12 | JeffM | just like you don't own BZFlag |
| 20:45.21 | JeffM | if you owned it, you could resell it |
| 20:45.25 | JeffM | and change it's license |
| 20:45.44 | JeffM | please go learn about software copyright before you make a bigger fool out of yourself |
| 20:47.45 | JeffM | as for your question on the forums about server status ( to change the subject off of software copyright viloations), what do you mean by "status"? |
| 20:49.09 | Propane_Tank | well i deleted the post cause i think i have it working. i'll verify on next reboot, but i wanted an automated system for checking weather or not a server is online rather than me just saying they are online even when they are not |
| 20:49.29 | JeffM | so just if you can connect to the port? |
| 20:49.34 | JeffM | cus strayer has a site that does that |
| 20:49.44 | Propane_Tank | basically like what mrapple has on bzexcess.com |
| 20:49.46 | JeffM | it updates every 5 min |
| 20:50.04 | blast007 | even a windows volume license is only valid on systems that already have a windows license |
| 20:50.11 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:50.21 | Propane_Tank | whoops. bzextreme.com |
| 20:50.23 | JeffM | and laptops don't ship with VLK |
| 20:50.35 | blast007 | found out all about that at my work |
| 20:50.46 | JeffM | yeah that's how I know too |
| 20:50.47 | blast007 | "wait, we've got 50 PCs that were ordered with linux ... crap" |
| 20:51.11 | JeffM | converting retail and OEM licenses to VLK is a pain too |
| 20:51.24 | JeffM | but once they are all VLK it's cake to manage them |
| 20:51.48 | blast007 | I imagine the last IT person was so proud about saving $10 per computer by switching a checkbox to linux |
| 20:51.58 | JeffM | 2012 budget has money to convert all our adobe products to VLK as well |
| 20:52.01 | blast007 | (then installing our VLK copy..) |
| 20:52.24 | JeffM | it may not have been about the money, just the conversion of the licneses |
| 20:52.25 | Propane_Tank | does mrapple no longer host bzflag servers? |
| 20:52.37 | JeffM | it's easier in man power to get em with linux and add the seats to VLK |
| 20:52.57 | JeffM | Propane_Tank, I think he got all tacoed out |
| 20:53.05 | Propane_Tank | huh? |
| 20:53.14 | blast007 | JeffM: the way I understood it they weren't able to be licensed because there was no Windows license for them |
| 20:53.32 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: yeah, he ran out of tacos |
| 20:53.37 | JeffM | hmm you should be able to add a new seat for them just like if you had built the machine |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM | we all VLK seats to the ones we build |
| 20:53.53 | blast007 | heck if I know.. microsoft licensing confuses me |
| 20:53.55 | JeffM | add not all |
| 20:54.01 | JeffM | it is rather confusing |
| 20:54.16 | blast007 | figured it was easier to just replace them all with refurbs |
| 20:54.20 | blast007 | they were old P4's anyway |
| 20:54.42 | JeffM | we rarely buy premade machines anymore |
| 20:54.53 | JeffM | except servers |
| 20:55.01 | JeffM | and man are the drive prices killing us these days |
| 20:55.08 | blast007 | yeah.. |
| 20:55.32 | JeffM | had to get a 12 disk machine that had 180gigers in it cus that's all they had |
| 20:55.55 | blast007 | I'm glad we got our new SAN when we did |
| 20:55.58 | Propane_Tank | i had a 1tb picked out on new egg for 100 bucks and now it's 260 |
| 20:56.14 | JeffM | yeah wait about 6 months and they will go down |
| 20:56.22 | JeffM | a year from now they will be at rock bottom |
| 20:56.34 | Propane_Tank | that's what i'm gonna do. i have to get a new board anyways cause i don't have any sata ones |
| 20:56.49 | Propane_Tank | and new ram and processor |
| 20:57.32 | blast007 | what? you're not gonna try to fit your P4 into an LGA 1155? |
| 20:57.33 | JeffM | should be pretty cheap for the CPU/RAM/Mobo/video card |
| 20:57.48 | JeffM | you'll need a new card too, AGP dosn't exist anymore |
| 20:57.51 | Propane_Tank | i want something faster and at least dual core. but i want a quad |
| 20:58.03 | Propane_Tank | i can use integrated graphics |
| 20:58.11 | JeffM | good lord no |
| 20:58.17 | Propane_Tank | why not? |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM | get a 50$ card |
| 20:58.21 | JeffM | cus they suck |
| 20:58.22 | Propane_Tank | if i go amd, they have decent |
| 20:58.33 | JeffM | AMD will be the cheapest bang/buck |
| 20:58.34 | Propane_Tank | i have integrated nvidia in mine and i like it |
| 20:58.35 | blast007 | if you go AMD, you'll have to turn off Aero to run BZFlag ;) |
| 20:58.46 | JeffM | yeah just get a cheap nvidia card |
| 20:58.52 | Propane_Tank | blast007, oh yeah, i read that :D |
| 20:58.52 | JeffM | some are as low as 30$ |
| 20:59.00 | blast007 | I'm not impressed with the AMD graphics drivers... |
| 20:59.11 | Propane_Tank | i have ati in my desktops |
| 20:59.21 | JeffM | good thing he's on XP and dosn't have aero |
| 20:59.50 | blast007 | yeah, he'd just get graphics driver crashes when viewing images, then :P |
| 21:00.04 | JeffM | nobody should use onboard, ever |
| 21:00.08 | JeffM | unless it's a free laptop |
| 21:00.17 | JeffM | there is no poing with the price of cards |
| 21:00.27 | blast007 | I had to turn down the graphics acceleration on our AMD systems at work because the driver crashes viewing images in the XP fax and image viewer |
| 21:01.09 | blast007 | think they've got some HD 3xxx graphics chip in them |
| 21:01.09 | JeffM | your motherboard will be cheaper too if you don't worry about onboard |
| 21:01.31 | Propane_Tank | jeffm, memtest passed with no errors |
| 21:01.40 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.51 | blast007 | apparently HD 4200 |
| 21:01.52 | Propane_Tank | i got it free, not out anything |
| 21:02.02 | blast007 | maybe that's why it was free |
| 21:02.11 | Propane_Tank | possible. used it for ~1 year |
| 21:02.53 | Propane_Tank | i got a bunch of hard drives and ram and the board from a guy in my boy scout troop. biggest drive is 160 gig and it's noisier than hell. anyone know how to make sense out of smart data? |
| 21:03.17 | Propane_Tank | it says enterprise on the drive... |
| 21:03.33 | JeffM | throw the disk in the trash, smart data "handled" |
| 21:03.46 | Propane_Tank | haha. can't contains my backups on it :D |
| 21:03.54 | Propane_Tank | smart huh? |
| 21:04.10 | JeffM | smart data dosn't mean much, usualy the sensors go out before the hardware |
| 21:04.26 | Propane_Tank | huh. cause number is the same as the one in the () |
| 21:04.57 | blast007 | which tells us nothing |
| 21:05.17 | Propane_Tank | i'm confused about weather the number in the () is the worst or a threshold |
| 21:05.24 | blast007 | a "loud drive" either means it's a high RPM drive, is failing, or both |
| 21:05.25 | Propane_Tank | and above is worse, idk |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM | there is this thing called "the googles" |
| 21:05.51 | Propane_Tank | i ran some hard drives tests that read the smart data (all i could find) and they claim it's all good |
| 21:05.57 | blast007 | or read the manual for your smart tool |
| 21:06.05 | Propane_Tank | i did. made no sense |
| 21:06.15 | blast007 | then throw the drive away |
| 21:06.26 | blast007 | SMART doesn't detect all problems |
| 21:06.27 | JeffM | well recycle it |
| 21:06.28 | Propane_Tank | i don't have one big enough unless i get a raid controller |
| 21:06.36 | blast007 | .. |
| 21:06.44 | blast007 | 160GB is your largest drive? |
| 21:06.49 | Propane_Tank | yup. |
| 21:06.54 | blast007 | I have a larger drive in my laptop |
| 21:06.55 | Propane_Tank | i have a 256 in my laptop |
| 21:06.57 | JeffM | for his 10 year old systems.... big suprize |
| 21:07.00 | Propane_Tank | 250* |
| 21:07.10 | Propane_Tank | i have some 40's and a few 20's |
| 21:07.17 | Propane_Tank | err 80's maybe. idk |
| 21:07.17 | blast007 | I've got a 320 in my laptop |
| 21:07.25 | blast007 | biggest drive that my laptop from 2006 can take |
| 21:07.28 | JeffM | there are tools to break up archives into chunks |
| 21:07.43 | Propane_Tank | how much are raid controllers? |
| 21:07.56 | JeffM | are all your drives the same size and kind? |
| 21:08.08 | Propane_Tank | brand and size. not sure |
| 21:08.37 | JeffM | you should probably learn exactly what a raid is before you go and build one ;) |
| 21:08.51 | blast007 | hey, you could get a 500GB refurbished Hitachi Deskstar for only $85! |
| 21:09.00 | JeffM | raids have specific disk requirements |
| 21:09.02 | blast007 | I bet it will last at least 20 minutes too! |
| 21:09.14 | JeffM | it's not just "slaping a bunch of disks together" |
| 21:09.17 | JeffM | thats LVM |
| 21:09.35 | blast007 | he should probably just get a Drobo |
| 21:09.40 | blast007 | less thought involved |
| 21:09.49 | JeffM | or a Clue |
| 21:10.01 | blast007 | A clue! A clue! |
| 21:10.47 | blast007 | once the prices come down, I want to build a file server :P |
| 21:10.47 | Propane_Tank | i have a 20 and 40 seagate barracuda |
| 21:11.00 | Propane_Tank | then a 80 of some weird brand that i don't remember anymore |
| 21:11.00 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: are you trying to impess us? :) |
| 21:11.02 | JeffM | all the disks in a raid have to at least be the same size |
| 21:11.03 | Propane_Tank | nope |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM | they should be the identical model |
| 21:11.15 | blast007 | and you're going to want enterprise grade drives |
| 21:11.22 | blast007 | well, not necessarily |
| 21:11.37 | Propane_Tank | what advantage do i have with enterprise? |
| 21:12.03 | blast007 | there's some people that recommend getting differing brands to help prevent two drives from failing in close proximity, since you could get a bad batch from a single manufacturer |
| 21:12.09 | JeffM | sire |
| 21:12.12 | JeffM | sure |
| 21:12.18 | JeffM | or at least different lots |
| 21:12.34 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: well, the fact that the array will actually be able to repair itself quickly |
| 21:12.41 | JeffM | I don't think MTBF is his concern |
| 21:13.08 | Propane_Tank | as long as no data is lost |
| 21:13.31 | blast007 | I forget the drive feature |
| 21:13.42 | blast007 | something that the consumer drives lack that's helpful for RAID |
| 21:13.45 | JeffM | I don't think you can make a redundant raid with 3 different sized drives |
| 21:14.37 | blast007 | depends on the RAID controller.. might be able to combine two 40GB drives into a JBOD and then mirror those across an 80GB |
| 21:14.54 | JeffM | ewwww |
| 21:14.57 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:15.06 | JeffM | talk about a house of cards |
| 21:15.20 | Propane_Tank | i can with raid 0, but limited to 60gigs |
| 21:15.21 | JeffM | that dosn't give him the more space he wants |
| 21:15.24 | mrapple | no i dont Propane_Tank |
| 21:15.38 | Propane_Tank | mrapple why not? |
| 21:15.54 | blast007 | Propane_Tank: do you know what RAID 0 is? |
| 21:16.06 | Propane_Tank | lemmie read wikipedia again :) |
| 21:16.12 | JeffM | an acronym? |
| 21:16.23 | Propane_Tank | i don |
| 21:16.28 | Propane_Tank | i don't care about redundancy |
| 21:16.49 | blast007 | you know that if a single drive in a RAID 0 fails you lose ALL the drives? |
| 21:16.51 | Propane_Tank | i just wanna hook up smaller drives to give me the combined space |
| 21:17.07 | JeffM | like I said, you want to look into LVM |
| 21:17.08 | Propane_Tank | i guess that's just the chance i take |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM | and you don't need a controller for that |
| 21:17.21 | blast007 | dynamic disk + spanned volume |
| 21:17.30 | blast007 | windows XP should support that |
| 21:17.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:17.40 | blast007 | probably can't be the boot partition though |
| 21:22.09 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLER |
| 21:22.14 | blast007 | that's what I was thinking of |
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| 21:52.30 | Propane_Tank | come to think of it, if i swap the processors, would i need some new thermal paste? |
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| 22:11.51 | brad | that wont work for 2.4 servers |
| 22:11.55 | Rbotguy | ah |
| 22:11.57 | Rbotguy | thx |
| 22:12.05 | brad | np |
| 22:12.22 | Rbotguy | I havent run a server for a long time |
| 22:12.36 | Rbotguy | just enough has changed to really screw me up... |
| 22:12.49 | brad | there's a guide to upgrading to 2.4 on the wiki |
| 22:14.36 | Rbotguy | Thanks, I'll take a look |
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