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| 09:48.00 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/13/dennis_ritchie/ |
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| 17:03.32 | JeffM | well at least tupone is going thru some patches :) |
| 17:07.41 | mahem1 | for the next release? |
| 17:08.17 | JeffM | heh... release |
| 17:08.24 | JeffM | I just mean "at all" |
| 17:08.58 | mahem1 | cool :) |
| 17:09.06 | JeffM | he's probalby looking at gentoo bugs |
| 17:09.10 | JeffM | one was reported recently |
| 17:09.42 | JeffM | it's nice that he's doing it but one guy poking at patches ain't going to get it going again |
| 17:10.50 | mahem1 | "it takes one rock to start an avalanche" is what i was always told :) |
| 17:11.04 | JeffM | but not every falling rock starts one |
| 17:11.29 | JeffM | after the avalanche you still get a rock falling every once in a while ;) |
| 17:11.35 | JeffM | we did a big push for 2.4 |
| 17:11.44 | JeffM | and right after that shipped everyone dried up |
| 17:12.02 | JeffM | it seems that someone has push on a day to day bassis to get even the smiplest tasks done |
| 17:12.24 | JeffM | and we can't use the "I don't know what needs to be done" excuse anymore |
| 17:12.29 | JeffM | there is a list for 2.4.2 |
| 17:13.59 | mahem1 | i see |
| 17:14.35 | mahem1 | i would help if you need me, not that i have much coding skill |
| 17:18.58 | JeffM | it's just declining, all projects eventualy doo |
| 17:18.59 | JeffM | do |
| 17:19.14 | JeffM | it was good to have the 2.4 experiment, it showed where the problem actualy is |
| 17:20.29 | mahem1 | what is the problem? the project declining? |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM | there are 2, management and lack of interest |
| 17:21.46 | JeffM | it's an old project and people loose interest after a while |
| 17:22.09 | JeffM | and poor management in the past has not set the project up to have clear goals |
| 17:23.39 | mahem1 | so i guess problems are just compounding on each other :\ |
| 17:23.53 | JeffM | yep |
| 17:24.04 | mahem1 | and not enough people to fix the problems.... |
| 17:24.30 | JeffM | not enough drive to get them fixed with out constant nagging |
| 17:24.39 | JeffM | also there is no clear goal for what is "broken" |
| 17:25.08 | JeffM | and since it's gone on for so long everyone has a different idea of what bz shoudl "BE" |
| 17:25.48 | JeffM | blast007, is there a version of bzflist that works with 2.4? |
| 17:27.43 | mahem1 | yeah i read in the forums about not knowing what BZF should "BE" |
| 17:29.06 | mahem1 | so you just want to start a new project? |
| 17:29.22 | JeffM | personaly I think that is the simplest thing to do |
| 17:30.05 | blast007 | JeffM: bzflist.php ? |
| 17:30.15 | JeffM | blast007, no the ibot stuff |
| 17:30.19 | blast007 | no |
| 17:30.27 | blast007 | not in ibot anyway |
| 17:30.30 | JeffM | TimRiker, care to fix ibot? |
| 17:30.38 | blast007 | there's bzfquery stuff in misc/ |
| 17:30.44 | blast007 | for perl, python, and PHP |
| 17:30.51 | JeffM | I'm just curious how many people are playing right now |
| 17:30.59 | JeffM | and I know it's not 1232 :) |
| 17:31.01 | blast007 | oh, the list part |
| 17:31.10 | blast007 | was thinking querying servers |
| 17:31.25 | mahem1 | what is ibot? |
| 17:31.32 | blast007 | ~ibot |
| 17:31.32 | ibot | It's me |
| 17:31.36 | blast007 | there you have it |
| 17:31.50 | mahem1 | i see |
| 17:33.14 | blast007 | JeffM: strayer's site might show something useful |
| 17:33.23 | JeffM | blast007, yeah it says 88 |
| 17:33.29 | JeffM | I don't know if that includes bzadmins |
| 17:33.46 | JeffM | I just sent him a PM asking if he can help with the data queries I've had over the past week |
| 17:34.19 | blast007 | I haven't got around to doing the player log in the list yet |
| 17:34.57 | mahem1 | so you can access data like that through ibot? |
| 17:35.14 | JeffM | ibot bzfslist |
| 17:35.20 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 17:35.56 | blast007 | 1239 players! yay! |
| 17:36.00 | blast007 | we're popular! |
| 17:36.01 | mahem1 | lol |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:36.54 | blast007 | maybe we could hire the meat-based spam bots to instead play a silly tank game |
| 17:37.27 | mahem1 | i think you just want us to buy dinner for you |
| 17:37.37 | blast007 | only if there's cheese |
| 17:37.55 | blast007 | hmm, now I'm hungry. |
| 17:38.34 | mahem1 | are you addicted to cheese? |
| 17:38.44 | JeffM | ok strayer says in the past 5 min there have been 123 players, 71 who are not observers |
| 17:39.13 | JeffM | that's better then the 11-25 sky king was talking about |
| 17:39.49 | mahem1 | 11-25? |
| 17:40.12 | JeffM | players at a time |
| 17:40.31 | JeffM | tho I probably should remove any server with a single player too |
| 17:41.11 | mahem1 | that is a pretty big range |
| 17:42.21 | JeffM | 69 people spread over 6 servers |
| 17:43.36 | mahem1 | soooo, you are saying that BZF is just to unorganized with people just throwing in mumble jumble, and doing what they think best? |
| 17:43.55 | JeffM | how do you think wings got in there? :) |
| 17:44.49 | mahem1 | someone who thought is was a good thing to put in? |
| 17:45.04 | JeffM | yeah and didn't check with anyone else :) |
| 17:45.19 | JeffM | "flyin tanks would be kewl" |
| 17:46.44 | mahem1 | and this is all because of BZF being opensource? or just bad/no communication ? |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM | I don't think it has to do with open source |
| 17:47.13 | JeffM | there are many sucsesful open source projects |
| 17:47.33 | JeffM | I don't think the management style in the past works well with a game |
| 17:47.46 | JeffM | the management style of the past would work better with other apps |
| 17:47.55 | JeffM | like a utility or something |
| 17:48.05 | JeffM | since a user would have to choose to use a new feature |
| 17:48.20 | JeffM | so letting people add stuff when they want dosn't realy affect the day to day use |
| 17:48.38 | JeffM | but in a game, even if you don't like a feature, you have to deal with others using it |
| 17:49.04 | JeffM | a game works better with a more focused design, to make sure all the game elements work togehter and are balanced |
| 17:49.48 | mahem1 | good explanation :) |
| 17:50.42 | JeffM | comercial game develoment has more in common with movie production then it does with writing a word processor |
| 17:50.53 | mahem1 | so basicly the damage has already been done and would be very hard to under, i guess |
| 17:51.14 | mahem1 | undo* |
| 17:51.52 | JeffM | I just think it would cause more confusion and problems to try to convince the existing people to make massive changes to the way the project and game works then it would be to make a new project and let those that want to work on it come over |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM | then it's opt in rather then opt out |
| 17:52.24 | JeffM | and a new project would have fewer expections about how it works since it would not have the bagage from the past |
| 17:52.45 | mahem1 | define: opt in & opt out |
| 17:53.16 | JeffM | you would choose to join the new project rather then me force this proejct to change and you have to decide to leave if you did not like it |
| 17:53.45 | JeffM | then you don't feel like I forced your hand |
| 17:53.52 | mahem1 | yeah i see your point. |
| 17:54.11 | mahem1 | so i am guessing not everyone has the same idea as you |
| 17:54.18 | JeffM | and there isn't the confusion of "well we did it this way in the past, what do we do now" in a new project the default is to ask "How do we do it now?" |
| 17:54.23 | JeffM | some do |
| 17:54.25 | JeffM | some don't care |
| 17:54.39 | JeffM | some want to magicaly revive bzflag |
| 17:54.46 | JeffM | or just keep coasting allong |
| 17:55.21 | JeffM | It is possible I could be wrong |
| 17:55.37 | mahem1 | what is possible? |
| 17:55.40 | JeffM | but I feel that it's better then stagating like we are doing |
| 17:55.45 | JeffM | anything is possible :) |
| 17:57.57 | mahem1 | soo you just want to do something? and just not do nothing because nobody has the same idea? |
| 17:57.58 | blast007 | mahem1: if you're asking that question, read his line again without your mind inserting punctuation in the middle of the sentence |
| 17:58.09 | blast007 | the "what is possible?" question, I mean |
| 17:58.48 | JeffM | I think there is a place for a bzflag like game |
| 17:59.05 | JeffM | but it needs to up to more modern standards |
| 17:59.28 | mahem1 | ok |
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| 18:03.08 | mahem1 | hey fuz |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM | I want a game that can do more then bzflag, but can also be configured to work like bzflag for the people that like that style of gameplay |
| 18:07.13 | mahem1 | define: 'more' |
| 18:07.43 | JeffM | ramps, health, etc.. |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM | more gameplay options |
| 18:08.27 | blast007 | more (adj.): 1) in greater quantity, amount, measure, degree, or number 2) additional or further |
| 18:08.57 | mahem1 | Mr. Smarty Pants, i speak english you know... |
| 18:09.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:09.40 | mahem1 | yeah, ramps would be a nice option |
| 18:10.47 | mahem1 | and i know alot of people have been asking for a campaign mode |
| 18:11.18 | blast007 | campaign mode? |
| 18:11.55 | mahem1 | a mode where you are just by yourself and you have to comlpete a mission |
| 18:12.14 | JeffM | bzflag is not battlezone ;) |
| 18:13.06 | JeffM | but if a new project was flexable enough someone coudl bust that out |
| 18:13.58 | mahem1 | with permission of course :) |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM | huh? |
| 18:14.17 | JeffM | you don't need permision from anyone to work on open source games |
| 18:15.00 | mahem1 | so you do like wings? |
| 18:15.15 | JeffM | it was not ballanced well in it's first implemewntation |
| 18:15.18 | JeffM | the current one is better |
| 18:15.41 | mahem1 | yeah i do like the new wings better |
| 18:15.54 | blast007 | the problem with Wings is that it requires far too much redbull once you set the _wingsJumpCount to more than 5 |
| 18:16.03 | mahem1 | more realistic and not as powerfull |
| 18:16.58 | mahem1 | what did you mean when you said "<+JeffM> bzflag is not battlezone ;)" |
| 18:17.12 | JeffM | single player mode |
| 18:17.22 | blast007 | battlezone is an old wire-frame game that bzflag took inspiration from |
| 18:17.29 | JeffM | people seem to think there is a stronger link between bzflag and battlezone |
| 18:18.39 | mahem1 | what does thjat mean Jeff? |
| 18:18.51 | JeffM | do you know what battlezone was? |
| 18:19.20 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_(1980_video_game) |
| 18:20.32 | JeffM | they did another one too |
| 18:21.06 | blast007 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_II%3A_Combat_Commander |
| 18:21.30 | mahem1 | Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name |
| 18:21.45 | blast007 | copy and paste the entire URL |
| 18:21.47 | blast007 | don't click |
| 18:22.08 | JeffM | it was a single player tank game |
| 18:22.09 | blast007 | the parenthesis screw up IRC clients |
| 18:22.39 | mahem1 | Was there two battle zones? |
| 18:22.47 | mahem1 | that one and the BZF one? |
| 18:22.58 | JeffM | bzflag is not related to battle zone in any way |
| 18:23.34 | JeffM | battlezone came out as an arcade game. lots of people liked it. A bunch of SGI developers make tehre own versions. BZFlag is the only one that didn't die yet |
| 18:24.03 | mahem1 | i know but i thought i read somewhere that befroe BZF had flags it was called BZ |
| 18:24.15 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:24.20 | JeffM | that is a different game |
| 18:24.28 | JeffM | BZFLag is one project |
| 18:24.30 | JeffM | BZ was another |
| 18:24.37 | JeffM | both ran on the SGI |
| 18:25.39 | JeffM | both were writen by guys name Chris too |
| 18:25.56 | mahem1 | oh i get it now |
| 18:25.58 | JeffM | bzflag by Schoeneman and bz by Fouts |
| 18:26.11 | mahem1 | so they just split? |
| 18:26.17 | JeffM | no |
| 18:26.20 | JeffM | they were never together |
| 18:26.35 | JeffM | they were totaly seperate projects inspired by the same arcade game |
| 18:26.43 | JeffM | in 1992 |
| 18:26.44 | blast007 | actualy BZFlag was called 'bz' before it was called BZFlag, according to http://wiki.bzflag.org/Project_History |
| 18:27.16 | JeffM | yes but it had flags :) |
| 18:27.20 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 18:27.34 | JeffM | he changed the name to not be confusing |
| 18:28.29 | mahem1 | i see |
| 18:28.34 | JeffM | I bought an SGI once just to try and run bz |
| 18:29.38 | mahem1 | i didn't |
| 18:30.20 | blast007 | you didn't what? |
| 18:31.42 | mahem1 | buy SGI ounce just to try and run BZ |
| 18:37.16 | JeffM | tis a silly name anyway |
| 18:37.26 | JeffM | I'd remove all the flags except for CTF |
| 18:37.46 | mahem1 | why? |
| 18:38.02 | mahem1 | aren't falg a big part of the game |
| 18:38.08 | JeffM | no, powerups are |
| 18:38.12 | JeffM | make them real powerups |
| 18:38.14 | JeffM | not "flags" |
| 18:38.31 | JeffM | then you can configure how many powerups you can carry at a time |
| 18:38.45 | mahem1 | BZPowerUps, cool concept |
| 18:38.59 | JeffM | I would not use the term BZ |
| 18:39.17 | JeffM | it does not relate to battlezone anymore |
| 18:39.32 | JeffM | I'd just have weapon pickups and accessory pickups |
| 18:39.51 | JeffM | then the server configs how many of what players can carry for the desired game mode |
| 18:40.05 | JeffM | for a bzflag style compataility mode you'd make it one at a time |
| 18:40.15 | mahem1 | so you could have like shot limits on certain powers up, and once you atre done you can use another one you already picked up? |
| 18:40.28 | JeffM | that would be an option yes |
| 18:40.36 | JeffM | this is what I mean by "more features" |
| 18:40.43 | mahem1 | yeah |
| 18:41.01 | JeffM | you could still set it to work like BZ but you don't have to have it work like BZ |
| 18:41.26 | JeffM | set all shots to do 100% damage and now it's one shot to kill like BZ |
| 18:41.46 | blast007 | instagib! |
| 18:41.54 | JeffM | that's what bzflag is now |
| 18:42.13 | JeffM | a crappy quake map with a boxy player model and instagib |
| 18:42.22 | blast007 | hey! could we add some crazy features too? like the ability to use the mouse in the menus? |
| 18:42.27 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:42.36 | JeffM | actualy I'd remove most of the in game menus |
| 18:42.47 | blast007 | oh right, launcher app? |
| 18:42.47 | JeffM | and put all the configuration in a launcher dialog |
| 18:42.56 | JeffM | it's part of the same app |
| 18:43.05 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:43.08 | JeffM | just a more optimal interface for mucking with settings |
| 18:43.10 | mahem1 | I don't get that |
| 18:43.16 | blast007 | get what |
| 18:43.52 | mahem1 | not having an in game menu |
| 18:44.07 | JeffM | I have produced a number of examples |
| 18:44.12 | blast007 | it would be an out-of-game-ish menu |
| 18:44.25 | JeffM | there may need to be some sort of in game graphics/resoultion settings |
| 18:44.29 | JeffM | but it should be minimal |
| 18:44.39 | JeffM | it'd be more MMO style |
| 18:44.54 | JeffM | where there is a desktop like dialog to login and pick your server etc.. |
| 18:45.06 | mahem1 | oh cool |
| 18:45.07 | JeffM | then it would bring up the game window once you started playing |
| 18:45.21 | mahem1 | makes sense |
| 18:45.29 | mahem1 | make this easier on people |
| 18:45.42 | JeffM | use the best interface for the operation |
| 18:45.52 | blast007 | I do like being able to switch servers without dropping out of the game, though |
| 18:45.55 | JeffM | there are already standard OS elements for picking things from a list :) |
| 18:46.13 | JeffM | blast007, I want in game menus for moving from one instance to another |
| 18:46.17 | blast007 | k |
| 18:46.21 | JeffM | I don't want a "server" to be a single game instance |
| 18:46.29 | JeffM | a server is just where you connect to |
| 18:46.35 | JeffM | then that server hosts N games as needed |
| 18:46.45 | JeffM | redirecting if required |
| 18:46.53 | blast007 | I think the "instance" idea would be nice for tutorial mode - have people on the same physical server, but in their own instance for the first part of the tutorial |
| 18:47.04 | JeffM | that would be one use for it |
| 18:47.10 | blast007 | and then move them to a different instance after the initial part of the tutorial where they fight other new players |
| 18:47.20 | JeffM | but imagine a server that has a siingle FFA public instance |
| 18:47.27 | JeffM | then you want to challenge a player to a 1v1 |
| 18:47.44 | JeffM | in that game you just transfer to a private instance, play it then go back to the FFA |
| 18:47.56 | JeffM | or move to a leauge game instance |
| 18:47.57 | blast007 | yeah, that'd be sweet |
| 18:48.04 | JeffM | that's how subspace did it |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM | they had 3 total servers :) |
| 18:48.14 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:48.40 | blast007 | saves memory too since you're not loading the entire server binary multiple times |
| 18:49.01 | JeffM | I'd do 3, Alpha, Beta, and Gamma. Alpha is for noobs/unreged etc.. |
| 18:49.03 | JeffM | beta is normal |
| 18:49.10 | JeffM | and gamma is league/member |
| 18:49.38 | mahem1 | so both can go to beta? |
| 18:49.48 | JeffM | go to beta? |
| 18:50.14 | blast007 | both meaning noobs/unreged and league/member |
| 18:50.24 | mahem1 | yeah |
| 18:50.46 | JeffM | no, when you start the game for the first time you have to register. Untill you verify your email and finish the tutorial you are locked to the alpha server |
| 18:50.59 | JeffM | once you pass that you unlock beta and can play on both alpha and beta |
| 18:51.17 | JeffM | gama is only available to people in a leauge or who give us 4$ a month :) |
| 18:51.31 | mahem1 | cool |
| 18:51.39 | mahem1 | so many ideas |
| 18:51.44 | JeffM | members get a tshirt every year too |
| 18:51.51 | blast007 | and charge to have a league too? |
| 18:51.56 | JeffM | possibly |
| 18:52.08 | JeffM | like a 25$ fee |
| 18:52.14 | JeffM | then we'd host the site and manage it all |
| 18:52.24 | JeffM | but no shirt :) |
| 18:52.39 | JeffM | that'd keep people from making non serious leauges |
| 18:53.22 | blast007 | Welcome to the NSLA! The Non-Serious League of America! |
| 18:53.28 | mahem1 | lol |
| 18:53.38 | JeffM | hey you give me 25$ a year and you can do that :) |
| 18:53.42 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:53.44 | mahem1 | what if you are not american? |
| 18:53.52 | JeffM | what does that have to do with anyting |
| 18:53.55 | JeffM | paypal :) |
| 18:54.02 | blast007 | he means my league |
| 18:54.07 | JeffM | oh |
| 18:54.10 | blast007 | I think |
| 18:54.10 | JeffM | then he gets to ban you |
| 18:54.20 | JeffM | or he'd not invite you |
| 18:54.40 | mahem1 | aw |
| 18:54.41 | JeffM | leauges would be configured to be invite only, or allow open reg for members |
| 18:54.54 | JeffM | it'd be up to the leauge for what it wanted |
| 18:55.02 | mahem1 | are they already open reg for memebers? |
| 18:55.18 | JeffM | it would depend on what the specific leauge wanted |
| 18:55.24 | JeffM | some leauges may want to be invite only |
| 18:55.45 | JeffM | or invite for captains, then let each team captain do his own invites for the team |
| 18:55.54 | JeffM | those are all the options I think it should have |
| 18:56.05 | JeffM | then the game actualy knows who's on what team |
| 18:56.24 | mahem1 | i like those options too |
| 18:56.26 | JeffM | and you can tell it "Match team A with team B on sunday at 10AM PST" |
| 18:56.34 | JeffM | then the game sends out a reminders etc.. |
| 18:56.37 | mahem1 | so you don't get alot of inactive teams |
| 18:56.39 | JeffM | and tracks the score |
| 18:57.15 | mahem1 | that would be a nice option for getting teamies |
| 18:57.42 | JeffM | yeah there are lots of things that could be done to make league play better if you design it in from the ground up |
| 18:57.52 | JeffM | and use an instance system |
| 18:58.04 | JeffM | then it becomes very easy for the host to shuffle players arround |
| 18:58.49 | mahem1 | please define an instance system. |
| 18:58.50 | JeffM | if the proto has redirect then the server can also scale as needed into it's own cloud |
| 18:59.11 | JeffM | right now the server runs one game, where a game is a list of players on a map shooting |
| 18:59.20 | JeffM | here a server would be able to start as many games as it wanted |
| 18:59.31 | JeffM | and just put connected players into games |
| 18:59.38 | JeffM | with out reconnecting etc.. |
| 18:59.43 | mahem1 | ok got it |
| 19:00.00 | mahem1 | smart servers.... |
| 19:00.17 | JeffM | so if you are all playing in a big public shoot-em-up then it's time for a match, the server knows you are on team A and asks you if you want to go to the private game just for the match |
| 19:00.24 | JeffM | then it just moves you to that game |
| 19:00.30 | JeffM | and it's private just for the teams |
| 19:00.36 | JeffM | the other public players don't even see it |
| 19:01.02 | JeffM | then when you are done you get put back into the public pool |
| 19:01.08 | mahem1 | cool |
| 19:01.52 | blast007 | and when registration is required, stuff like friends/foes lists because easier to do |
| 19:01.57 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:02.07 | JeffM | reg would be required |
| 19:02.15 | blast007 | could even store people's settings in "the cloud" |
| 19:02.15 | JeffM | but you could still play before you got the auth email |
| 19:02.19 | JeffM | just on a limited server |
| 19:02.22 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:02.27 | blast007 | so you switch computers and have your favorite key mappings |
| 19:02.32 | blast007 | still have* |
| 19:02.44 | JeffM | there is little point in keeping anything other then graphics settings on a local machine |
| 19:03.03 | blast007 | and worst case allow selecting configuration profiles |
| 19:03.22 | JeffM | make the game autopatch too |
| 19:03.28 | blast007 | yep :) |
| 19:04.24 | blast007 | still thinking about C# for that? |
| 19:04.33 | JeffM | yeah I thin it'd be fine |
| 19:04.46 | JeffM | found out some of the big MMOs use .net for a number of comonents |
| 19:04.47 | blast007 | C++ might be able to do autopatching too, if you statically build in the libs |
| 19:05.00 | JeffM | yeah you can do it, it'd just be harder |
| 19:05.19 | JeffM | you'd have to have a patcher that had multipple platform repositories to pull from |
| 19:05.19 | blast007 | the main one it's difficult on is linux |
| 19:05.27 | JeffM | and variants of OSX |
| 19:05.28 | blast007 | OSX you can push down a uni-bin |
| 19:05.33 | JeffM | sorta |
| 19:05.39 | JeffM | you can get ranges |
| 19:05.48 | JeffM | like it'd probalby not run on 10.2 etc.. |
| 19:05.58 | blast007 | works for me ;) |
| 19:05.58 | JeffM | but it's better then linux |
| 19:06.13 | JeffM | it's possible it could end up being a mixed mode thing |
| 19:06.38 | JeffM | C# for the commonly changed game parts and C++ with a .net interface for the graphics engine. |
| 19:06.49 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:06.49 | JeffM | that's what turbine does for DDO and LOTRO |
| 19:07.13 | JeffM | there are also good lua and javascript implementations in .net |
| 19:07.19 | JeffM | so that could be used for scripting |
| 19:07.29 | blast007 | something to think about in case we find an nifty lib for a certain language |
| 19:07.39 | blast007 | s/an/a/ |
| 19:07.58 | blast007 | think there's also PHP for .net |
| 19:08.00 | blast007 | ducks |
| 19:08.05 | JeffM | I'm partal to the JS one just because a lot of people know it |
| 19:08.17 | JeffM | and it's very configurable for download save code |
| 19:08.25 | JeffM | you can limit what calls it can make etc.. |
| 19:08.38 | blast007 | yeah, that's be interesting |
| 19:08.47 | JeffM | it's also pure managed |
| 19:09.03 | blast007 | but does it blend? |
| 19:09.06 | JeffM | I belive most lua implemntations have a native compoinent |
| 19:09.08 | JeffM | yes :) |
| 19:09.11 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:09.15 | JeffM | System.Blend |
| 19:10.33 | blast007 | are you referring to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JScript_.NET |
| 19:10.50 | JeffM | no |
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| 19:11.03 | JeffM | there is an open source javascript implementaiton somewhere |
| 19:11.25 | blast007 | http://javascriptdotnet.codeplex.com/ or http://jint.codeplex.com/ ? |
| 19:11.39 | JeffM | I belive I was looking at jint |
| 19:12.23 | JeffM | I think it'd take about 3-4 developers about 3-4 months of decent work to have a working system that could be extended on. |
| 19:12.32 | blast007 | yeah, looks like that one actually parses the JS instead of requiring it be compiled to CIL |
| 19:12.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:12.42 | JeffM | that's what I liked about it |
| 19:12.47 | JeffM | it was a real run time scripting system |
| 19:12.55 | JeffM | so you could just send text over and it go |
| 19:13.33 | JeffM | it felt a lot more like lua |
| 19:13.46 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:14.19 | JeffM | OpenTK has GL, sound, and input |
| 19:14.25 | JeffM | Lidgrin has networking |
| 19:14.41 | JeffM | grab scripting and from then on it's just bust out some code :) |
| 19:14.52 | blast007 | wonder if it's a complete enough implementation to load the server-side Mootools JS library |
| 19:15.27 | JeffM | I don' tknow what it can do with libs, it's probably limited since it has to be interpd by the .net comoponent |
| 19:15.38 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:15.39 | JeffM | but that's sorta a security feature too |
| 19:15.50 | JeffM | then you ensure it can ONLY call your stuff |
| 19:16.34 | JeffM | and nothing says that you can't use a different JS implementation that does load libs for server scripting |
| 19:16.43 | JeffM | this I was mostly thinking about for the client |
| 19:16.55 | JeffM | over the wire script implementaiton |
| 19:17.19 | blast007 | well, by server-side, I mean, without all the browser-related stuff |
| 19:17.26 | JeffM | shh |
| 19:17.30 | JeffM | ahh even :) |
| 19:18.01 | JeffM | it woudl bear investication |
| 19:18.11 | blast007 | not that it would necessarily be useful |
| 19:18.16 | JeffM | while lua is cool, there is a LOT of JS code out there |
| 19:18.18 | blast007 | but there's some nice stuff in Mootools |
| 19:18.44 | JeffM | pull the useful things into a .net lib you expose to jint |
| 19:19.27 | blast007 | true :) |
| 19:19.38 | JeffM | there are many options |
| 19:19.42 | blast007 | still be a good test to see how complete jint's JS parsing is |
| 19:19.52 | JeffM | prolly |
| 19:20.27 | blast007 | or if not a good test, an interesting one ;) |
| 19:23.17 | JeffM | there is lots of good stuff out there that can be reused |
| 19:23.24 | JeffM | there is even a .net version of ogre |
| 19:24.02 | JeffM | tho personaly I'd like to tru using a portal based world system |
| 19:24.13 | JeffM | try |
| 19:25.42 | JeffM | it would make some very interesting maps |
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| 19:33.51 | JeffM | really all it needs to start is probably a cool icon |
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| 19:45.02 | blast007 | heh |
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| 21:52.45 | JeffM | sends the email that TimRiker will read instead of harping on irc |
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| 23:59.36 | JeffM | oh and the new game would sell in game hats, cus that's how you make money these days |