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| 13:17.41 | WarPig | When I type /set to get the value of a given server var, I get three values. What do they mean? |
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| 13:33.22 | joevano | what server var? |
| 13:34.07 | joevano | or are you just typing '/set'? |
| 13:34.22 | brad | its something like current value, default value and........ o_o |
| 13:35.41 | joevano | start up value maybe... what it will go to if you type /reset |
| 13:36.06 | brad | that makes sense |
| 13:36.33 | joevano | I don't know... can't say I've typed /set on a 2.4 server |
| 13:36.42 | joevano | just guessing |
| 13:45.36 | WarPig | For instance, typing '/set _gmActivationTime' returns '0.3 .3 0.5' on this server |
| 13:46.09 | WarPig | 0.5 is the current setting |
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| 14:08.48 | WarPig | ...might it be default_value, config_value, current_value? |
| 14:19.47 | joevano | that would be reasonable... should be pretty easy to test |
| 14:30.43 | WarPig | Thanks. Next question: I've seen several players kicked today for 'Endshot Credit'. What does that mean? Might it be related to a number of 'floating bullets' I've seen on this server? |
| 14:33.24 | blast007 | endshot credit kicks are almost always just someone with packet loss |
| 14:33.50 | blast007 | the shot begin and end messages are sent UDP, so they can be lost |
| 14:34.03 | blast007 | so, it's kinda a crappy check |
| 14:34.27 | blast007 | also, for the three values, one of them is definately the default |
| 14:35.38 | blast007 | I also think one of them shows the string value (some variables are based off other variables, such as _shotRange defaulting to _shotSpeed * _reloadTime, iirc) |
| 14:36.03 | blast007 | so look at a normal server and do /set _shot* and you'll probably see that |
| 14:46.39 | BulletCatcher | I added -set _endShotDetection 0 to my standard configuration long ago because the players getting endshot kicked were ones that I had no reason to think were actually cheating. |
| 14:47.52 | blast007 | or set it to 9001, so when someone gets kicked you can crush your scouter and scream IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 14:49.42 | BulletCatcher | hears the woosh of a reference going over his head |
| 14:51.07 | blast007 | ka-me-ha-me-ha!!! |
| 15:21.36 | kierra | hears that sound often here, BC |
| 15:22.31 | kierra | blast007: ping |
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| 17:51.15 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, do you want the bug for libtool not working on windows in mingw? :) |
| 17:51.53 | BulletCatcher | I wouldn't be able to test it, but I could take a look. |
| 17:52.27 | JeffM | my gut says that it's a conifguration issue in mingw |
| 17:52.37 | JeffM | libtool is a seperate pacakge from the main mingw install |
| 17:52.50 | JeffM | and yeah I don't know anyone that builds with mingw |
| 17:53.41 | BulletCatcher | The first thing he should do is not run autogen.sh . |
| 17:53.48 | blast007 | let's support dev-cpp too!! |
| 17:54.24 | BulletCatcher | I'll add a comment about that. |
| 17:54.34 | brlcad | yeah, that one looked a bit wonky to me, looks like a libtool issue at best |
| 17:55.06 | BulletCatcher | There should be no reason to run autogen.sh when using our tarballs. |
| 17:55.15 | BulletCatcher | The documentation could be more clear about that. |
| 17:56.43 | brlcad | that's ideal, but is only true if the original person that ran autogen.sh ensures that they have the latest version of the autotools installed |
| 17:58.05 | JeffM | kicks brlcad |
| 17:58.33 | JeffM | there should be no reason to use mingw on windows ;) |
| 17:58.41 | JeffM | unless you just want to make building bz harder |
| 17:58.46 | brlcad | otherwise the configure script and libtool scripts output are doomed to failure as newer systems come out |
| 17:59.01 | brlcad | hey, I'm not arguing the mingw bit :) |
| 17:59.05 | brlcad | that's also wonky :) |
| 17:59.24 | JeffM | it looks like the current version of libtool for mingw is 2.4.1 |
| 18:00.13 | blast007 | would building that way provide a bzflag with crappier Windows platform support? |
| 18:00.31 | JeffM | it would make it use SDL |
| 18:01.38 | JeffM | the windows zip does not have autogen run |
| 18:01.43 | JeffM | it is from an export |
| 18:02.26 | BulletCatcher | It doesn't include a configure script? |
| 18:02.49 | JeffM | it's whatever is in SVN |
| 18:03.00 | JeffM | cus the zip you made was missing stuff |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM | if you want to make a new zip I can test it to see if we got everything and if so you can replace the uploaded on with a linux generated one |
| 18:03.32 | BulletCatcher | I know it was missing some files under MSVC/. |
| 18:03.36 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:06.05 | JeffM | it would not build on our suported windows compiler so I removed it and replaced it with one that would untill the makefiles got fixed |
| 18:06.27 | BulletCatcher | That should be done already in 2.4.1. |
| 18:06.53 | JeffM | it also meant that I was violating the LGPL when I uploaded the windows versions :) |
| 18:06.56 | JeffM | since it wasn't the source used to build |
| 18:06.57 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:08.10 | BulletCatcher | I just downloaded and checked bzflag-2.4.0.zip from SF. |
| 18:08.12 | BulletCatcher | Its contents are exactly the same as the .tar.bz2 file. |
| 18:08.29 | BulletCatcher | It *does* include the configure script. |
| 18:08.54 | JeffM | is a configure script checked into svn? |
| 18:08.59 | BulletCatcher | No. |
| 18:09.05 | BulletCatcher | just confiure.ac |
| 18:09.19 | JeffM | does it have all the right stuff in MSVC? |
| 18:09.44 | BulletCatcher | No, the original bzflag-2.4.0.zip is still missing those files. |
| 18:10.00 | JeffM | did I put "win" or somethign stupid like that after the file I uploaded? |
| 18:10.13 | BulletCatcher | It is bzflag-2.4.0_Windows.zip :-) |
| 18:11.05 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:11.07 | JeffM | then that is why |
| 18:11.28 | JeffM | so yeah he should not have had to run autogen |
| 18:11.50 | BulletCatcher | I have already added a comment to the bug report. |
| 18:12.01 | JeffM | I saw |
| 18:12.15 | JeffM | I added one too |
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| 23:13.20 | delusional | ~coppa |
| 23:13.20 | ibot | i heard coppa is the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, see http://www.coppa.org/ |
| 23:16.14 | delusional | coppa requests go to tim@rikers.org |
| 23:52.43 | kierra | had you this time, delusional |
| 23:52.45 | kierra | :) |
| 23:55.30 | delusional | killed me then left |