| 00:14.11 | BulletCatcher | Yes, using -O0 (no optimization) is known to do that. |
| 00:21.57 | BulletCatcher | If we had some idea of how much the lack of optimization affects frame rates we could decide whether that would be a satisfactory overall solution to the bug. |
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| 04:35.00 | Roboman2444 | O look there is a channel for this |
| 04:36.20 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.40 | Roboman2444 | I haven't played bz flag for... 5 years! |
| 04:37.43 | JeffM | so 1.10 and 2.0 |
| 04:37.46 | Roboman2444 | So none of you probably know me |
| 04:38.07 | Roboman2444 | Yea my fav server was like 2 tanks or whatever |
| 04:38.35 | Roboman2444 | My alias back then was kdkg or something like that |
| 04:38.53 | JeffM | sounds familiar |
| 04:39.07 | Roboman2444 | 5 years ago lol? |
| 04:39.28 | JeffM | I started working on bzflag in 1998 so sure |
| 04:39.41 | Roboman2444 | Hehe |
| 04:40.01 | Roboman2444 | Ah the memories are rushing back.... I should start playing again |
| 04:40.27 | DTRemenak | many of us here have been here for far more than 5 years (2.0 was January 2005, JeffM ;) ) |
| 04:40.58 | JeffM | that's sad ;) |
| 04:41.06 | DTRemenak | yes. yes it is. |
| 04:41.12 | Roboman2444 | Yea I think I was on 2.1 or something |
| 04:41.43 | JeffM | probably not |
| 04:41.50 | JeffM | we never released a 2.1 |
| 04:42.04 | JeffM | we just went from 2.0.16 to 2.4.0 |
| 04:42.15 | DTRemenak | there were 2.1 public test builds |
| 04:42.17 | Roboman2444 | Oh then it was 2.4 |
| 04:42.20 | DTRemenak | before we renamed it 2.99 |
| 04:42.24 | JeffM | true |
| 04:42.45 | JeffM | I don't think anyone actualy played often on it tho |
| 04:43.04 | DTRemenak | enough to get test data |
| 04:43.10 | DTRemenak | before networking got broke :) |
| 04:48.36 | JeffM | so that puts 2.6 somewhere around 2016-2017 |
| 04:48.52 | DTRemenak | something like that :) |
| 05:08.19 | Roboman2444 | Let's see... Who was the awesome player.... |
| 05:08.43 | Roboman2444 | Got like 900 lazier shots in a row on that one time |
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| 10:41.58 | heartnet | Is anybody active here now? |
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| 11:27.46 | kierra_away | puts delusional on permanent alert for being hunted |
| 11:28.17 | delusional | the world needs more lerts |
| 11:32.01 | heartnet | If somebody is active, I want to ask one thing. |
| 11:52.01 | heartnet | So I leave a message. "Have you ever seen a fountain object with splashing water on somewhere maps? If you've seen or know how to make it, could you tell me?" |
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| 13:56.26 | kierra_away | :P |
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| 14:23.57 | blast007 | heartnet: I don't believe so, at least, not without a modified server/client |
| 14:24.41 | heartnet | what do you mean? |
| 14:25.01 | blast007 | I mean, I don't think I've seen anything like that on a stock, unmodified environment |
| 14:26.52 | blast007 | there is a fountains.bzw that makes a "fountain-like" thing, but I think it's just thief shots bounced off invisible objects |
| 14:27.43 | blast007 | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/misc/maps/fountains.bzw |
| 14:28.13 | heartnet | I am aimint to make a sort of "fountain-like" object. |
| 14:28.18 | heartnet | *aiming |
| 14:29.19 | heartnet | i mean, an object like a fountain with splashing water |
| 14:29.34 | heartnet | i will check the link |
| 14:30.06 | blast007 | there isn't a generic animation system in BZFlag |
| 14:30.25 | blast007 | so you aren't going to get "splashing water" without a LOT of work and math |
| 14:33.15 | heartnet | I've just tried to make it without any dedicated tools and with simple objects. If other good map makers have already made it, I just want to see it. |
| 14:43.13 | heartnet | I found blast here now. so I want to ask you another thing. It's a problem. I arranged two objects like box on the same hight (the same Z coordinate). In some objecst (Not all), I cannot move across between them. |
| 14:43.38 | blast007 | yep |
| 14:43.47 | blast007 | known issue |
| 14:43.51 | heartnet | I will be on stuck. |
| 14:43.56 | blast007 | yep |
| 14:44.02 | heartnet | so do you know any good solutions? |
| 14:44.17 | blast007 | I'm not a map author, so, no |
| 14:44.31 | blast007 | it's a problem with mesh objects |
| 14:45.21 | heartnet | I see. |
| 15:03.30 | blast007 | think specifically when moving from a non-mesh to a mesh |
| 15:24.00 | heartnet | oh I see. so I have to adjust the type of two objects. |
| 15:26.12 | blast007 | perhaps |
| 15:26.17 | blast007 | I haven't explored it in detail |
| 15:31.15 | heartnet | I and rustlerspeed noticed either of the two objects is a little bit higher. |
| 15:32.36 | heartnet | And I changed the Z coordinate of the other box to like 0.000001. then I could move across, but after that I changed my machine to cheaper one and was on stuck. |
| 15:33.14 | heartnet | I thought it might be related to FPS value of clients. |
| 15:34.03 | blast007 | or 32-bit versus 64-bit, in the case of linux at least |
| 15:34.41 | blast007 | 32-bit linux with the default optimizations levels get stuck in the teleporters on Louman's Metropolis map, for instance |
| 15:34.46 | heartnet | oh maybe yes. My usual machine is 64 bit Linux, my cheaper one is 32 bit Linux. |
| 15:35.09 | blast007 | but 64-bit (or debug-builds of 32-bit, or altered optimization levels) on linux work fine |
| 15:35.17 | heartnet | Yeah, LaserMania, Tricolor of Purplepanzer too |
| 15:35.33 | blast007 | those are cases of teleporters on mesh objects |
| 15:35.44 | blast007 | it's likely some floating point bug |
| 15:36.43 | heartnet | Is it a bug of BZFlag? or OpenGL? which do you think? |
| 15:38.15 | blast007 | bzflag or gcc. |
| 15:38.24 | heartnet | I see. |
| 15:38.26 | blast007 | probably bzflag |
| 15:38.40 | blast007 | but I dunno ;) |
| 15:38.50 | blast007 | teleporters work fine on windows |
| 15:39.30 | heartnet | If the bug is in gcc, it's too tough for us to detect the bug.. |
| 15:40.06 | heartnet | I should try to compile not with gcc on Linux maybe. |
| 15:47.12 | heartnet | By the way, you've stopped hosting some maps on your server. What's up? |
| 15:51.43 | blast007 | and by "some", you mean the only one? :) |
| 15:51.56 | blast007 | just giving it a break |
| 15:53.16 | heartnet | I see. You've hosted not only Missile War. |
| 15:55.18 | blast007 | but that's all I've been hosting recently. |
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| 16:20.03 | heartnet | I've uploaded a bzw file which I created as a fountain. If you are interested in, feel free to check it. |
| 16:20.14 | heartnet | http://www.bzflag.jp/public/myfountain.bzw |
| 16:21.44 | heartnet | I've written it by hand with a text editor. |
| 16:23.22 | heartnet | I would be glad if you could tell me the expression of my object. |
| 16:25.31 | heartnet | I hope it looks like a real fountain :) |
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| 16:47.19 | JeffM | how much longer are you going to let that joker go on blast007 ? |
| 16:47.35 | blast007 | which one? |
| 16:47.47 | JeffM | pcfreak |
| 16:48.05 | blast007 | well, maybe he'll break his network in the process of changing the address scheme |
| 16:48.09 | blast007 | wishful thinking |
| 16:48.10 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:57.03 | spldart | pft.. heh |
| 17:33.34 | blast007 | ah, neat, PCFreak is in violation of COPPA |
| 17:48.19 | spldart | He's a witch! |
| 17:48.23 | spldart | Oh... uhm.. sry |
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| 18:06.08 | JeffM | blast007, coppa violatioin |
| 18:06.17 | blast007 | yep ;) |
| 18:06.30 | blast007 | account already deactived |
| 18:06.39 | blast007 | and we have to delete it, right? :) |
| 18:06.45 | JeffM | yup |
| 18:06.49 | JeffM | no data storage |
| 18:06.52 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:08.00 | blast007 | Fate looks fondly upon us today! |
| 18:08.14 | JeffM | it's kinda nice when they resolve themselves |
| 18:08.19 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:10.24 | blast007 | so now he won't even be able to host 2.4 servers ;D |
| 18:10.43 | blast007 | unless the key system doesn't detect when a user account is removed |
| 18:11.27 | JeffM | probalby should check that |
| 18:11.46 | JeffM | techincaly should probalby delete his keys too since it's store data, tho it's not "Personal" |
| 18:12.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:13.37 | KTL2 | mmm ... is trepan still around? |
| 18:13.43 | JeffM | sometimes |
| 18:13.46 | JeffM | he got a job |
| 18:14.01 | KTL2 | oki, (idem here) |
| 18:14.38 | JeffM | if it's a question we may be able to answer it |
| 18:14.59 | KTL2 | ah no, i was just a bit worried not to see his name in this channel |
| 18:15.04 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:15.07 | KTL2 | (one of these constants) |
| 18:15.13 | JeffM | yeah he got a programing job so that takes up more of his time |
| 18:15.21 | JeffM | he stops in every so often |
| 18:17.22 | blast007 | Hey look, the .bz server's load is much lower than normal, and there is only 208KB of swap being used! Oh wait, SC isn't running her second client. Makes sense now. ;) |
| 18:17.46 | blast007 | only 113MB of IRC clients |
| 18:17.59 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:18.08 | JeffM | when do you want to finish the swap? |
| 18:18.45 | JeffM | tho part of me is still pondering jusdt buying a VPs for bzflag |
| 18:18.53 | JeffM | specialy when they can be as low as 4$ a month |
| 18:50.13 | blast007 | maybe once we can spread it out a bit more |
| 18:50.26 | blast007 | I wouldn't trust a $4/month VPS to be as available as a dedicated server |
| 18:51.03 | blast007 | let me rephrase - as available as a dedicated server not using half the swap partition for IRC clients |
| 18:51.16 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:51.20 | JeffM | yeah I'm not sure yet |
| 18:51.33 | JeffM | a friend of mine got one so we'll see how it goes |
| 18:52.21 | JeffM | but yeah I'd buy like 3-4 of em |
| 18:52.29 | JeffM | one for web hosting, one for bzflag, one for svn |
| 18:53.35 | blast007 | and I'm meaning being able to have multiple auth/list servers |
| 18:54.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:54.18 | blast007 | then if one VPS is slow cuz another user on the physical system is compiling, oh.. open office for some reason, it doesn't kill our ability to handle auth requests ;) |
| 18:54.22 | JeffM | then the load on them will be less |
| 18:54.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:54.39 | JeffM | and if they are that cheap it's easy to spread em all over |
| 18:54.43 | blast007 | yep |
| 18:55.00 | JeffM | it's suposed to be "cloud" too so not just a single physical |
| 18:55.01 | blast007 | and there's a crap load we can do to reduce resource usage |
| 18:55.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:55.17 | blast007 | just moving phpBB to it's own "thing" and not using it for auth will help speed up auth a LOT |
| 18:55.28 | blast007 | we're loading 3MB of PHP files each time the list is hit |
| 18:55.33 | blast007 | just cuz of phpBB |
| 18:56.07 | blast007 | APC can also help, since that could cache the opcode of the PHP files in shared memory |
| 19:10.30 | JeffM | true |
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| 23:29.46 | kierra | JeffM.....new laptop, win7 :) |
| 23:36.30 | kierra | patience delusional....your turn is coming |