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| 12:18.28 | lahwran | I'm attempting to make the bots more engaging to play by making them pick up and respond to superflags, and have logic more like how I think when playing |
| 12:18.35 | lahwran | has such a thing been done before? |
| 12:19.53 | KTL | i dont know a lot of it but check this: http://wiki.bzflag.org/BZRobots/Protocol |
| 12:21.21 | KTL | but ask again when america is awake |
| 12:21.28 | lahwran | well |
| 12:21.44 | lahwran | I do not want to engineer my own pathfinding |
| 12:22.26 | lahwran | I'd *much* rather use the existing pathfinding and modifying it to respond more entertainingly |
| 12:22.51 | KTL | i havent seen any pathfinding in bzflag that includes jumping/falling yet |
| 12:23.47 | lahwran | sure you have, hit 9 |
| 12:24.07 | lahwran | not the best pathfinding, admittedly |
| 12:24.17 | KTL | that just jumps to avoid a bullet impact i thought |
| 12:24.32 | KTL | might be wrong |
| 12:24.50 | lahwran | I dunno |
| 12:24.58 | lahwran | all I know for sure is that it jumps |
| 12:28.05 | lahwran | currently building 2.4.0 |
| 12:28.19 | lahwran | was messing with 2.0.16, didn't realize it was so old |
| 12:28.41 | KTL | development had stalled for years here |
| 12:29.01 | KTL | till the moment the previous maintainer stepped down |
| 12:29.27 | KTL | then all of a sudden everyone came into action again |
| 12:29.30 | lahwran | really? |
| 12:29.35 | lahwran | I thought the entire team had left |
| 12:29.47 | lahwran | they using git yet? |
| 12:29.57 | lahwran | if they are, I could contribute my improved bots |
| 12:30.02 | KTL | a deadline was set, lots of stuff from the never-coming 2.99-version was ported back to the old trunk, making 2.4 |
| 12:30.32 | KTL | and all of a sudden, in no time, a long-awaited next version appeard not so long ago |
| 12:30.37 | ruskie | http://freshmeat.net/projects/lrc <-- hmm |
| 12:30.54 | lahwran | cool |
| 12:31.23 | KTL | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Development_RoadMap <- "wake the dead" and ... a new bot api is only mentioned many version further |
| 12:33.29 | KTL | lahwran, the servers are also updated, the wiki recently moved to another machine, wiki.bzflag.org finally works |
| 12:34.10 | KTL | (the url that is) |
| 12:34.23 | lahwran | is that why I find so few playing 2.0.16? :âP |
| 12:35.01 | KTL | ah yes there is a small issue there: the clients are incompatible ... a bunch of players plays with the old version still |
| 12:35.08 | KTL | play* |
| 12:35.12 | KTL | and some with both ... |
| 12:35.14 | lahwran | yeah, because of new flags and such |
| 12:35.15 | lahwran | yes? |
| 12:35.24 | KTL | protocol changes mostly |
| 12:35.28 | KTL | there are no new flags |
| 12:35.32 | lahwran | what |
| 12:35.38 | lahwran | there were a bunch of new flags in 2.99 |
| 12:35.40 | lahwran | what happened |
| 12:35.42 | KTL | only wings has been modified it seems, it jumps differently |
| 12:35.48 | KTL | euhm not backported yet i guess |
| 12:36.00 | lahwran | did they fix the cheatability? |
| 12:36.16 | lahwran | besides passive cheats, there were all kinds of stupid exploits possible |
| 12:36.20 | KTL | not all at once, euh still cheaters ... ah the cheaters started developping again too :D |
| 12:36.24 | lahwran | only game I know more pathetic than minecraft |
| 12:36.45 | KTL | it turns out that if you revive the game development you also revive indirectly the cheat development :D |
| 12:37.43 | lahwran | I wish there were servers that specifically allow cheats |
| 12:37.45 | KTL | it remains bzflag :) won't be like crysis 2 anytime soon :) |
| 12:38.10 | ruskie | lahwran, you are free to run your own |
| 12:38.10 | lahwran | eh |
| 12:38.18 | lahwran | true |
| 12:39.21 | lahwran | I'm kinda busy doing the opposite with minecraft :âP |
| 12:40.51 | KTL | mmm L4m3r is also into minecraft iirc, collecting tame wolves i heard |
| 12:41.00 | lahwran | heh |
| 12:41.14 | lahwran | I'm a minecraft modder |
| 12:42.05 | lahwran | I'm getting bored of waiting for this build |
| 12:42.10 | lahwran | go fasssttterrrrrrr |
| 12:42.18 | KTL | do you have multiple cores? |
| 12:42.18 | ruskie | make -j 99999 |
| 12:42.25 | lahwran | nope |
| 12:42.25 | ruskie | or just make -j 0 |
| 12:42.38 | lahwran | I have one, shitty, hyperthreading pentium 4 |
| 12:43.07 | ruskie | you could do -j 3 then |
| 12:43.20 | ruskie | ht gives makes it look like two cores |
| 12:43.45 | lahwran | p4 ht is shitty beyond use, afaik |
| 12:44.06 | lahwran | I've heard that I hsould avoid use of multiprocessing as much as possible |
| 12:44.22 | lahwran | it's done finally |
| 12:44.30 | lahwran | I hope I built the server... |
| 12:44.57 | KTL | at the end of the ./configure step is normally listed what is going to be build |
| 12:51.49 | lahwran | it did |
| 12:54.10 | lahwran | asdfasdfasdf |
| 12:54.14 | lahwran | they mix tabs and spaces |
| 12:54.20 | lahwran | replaces all tabs with 8 spaces |
| 12:54.53 | KTL | btw, if you ever plan to do a commit, a giant patch is made with *all those minor differences like those* |
| 12:55.00 | lahwran | yep |
| 12:55.02 | lahwran | I know |
| 12:55.07 | lahwran | I have to deal with it all the time |
| 12:55.33 | lahwran | it appears that any place 8 spaces should be, a tab was |
| 12:55.44 | lahwran | easy solution: go the other way before submitting a patch |
| 12:56.27 | lahwran | slightly more work: check that above change actually produces a properly-sized patch |
| 13:02.01 | lahwran | 2.4.0 takes a while to start up vs 2.0.16 |
| 13:23.22 | lahwran | okay |
| 13:23.27 | lahwran | there must be a lot I'm missing here |
| 13:23.48 | lahwran | because a change I thought would make bots pick up flags, had no apparent effect |
| 13:28.26 | lahwran | this is why I avoid C++ programs, the average C++ programmer likes to put things in so many weird places |
| 14:43.54 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22085 10/trunk/admin/master-bans.txt: Sync up the masterban file. |
| 14:47.00 | blast007 | KTL: autopilot does jump over buildings in some cases to get to enemies |
| 14:49.11 | blast007 | lahwran: there were only two new flags in 2.99.x, not "a bunch" :) |
| 14:49.23 | lahwran | but but but but but |
| 14:49.27 | lahwran | that sure feels like a bunch! |
| 14:49.57 | blast007 | lahwran: and running "cheat servers" is against our list server usage policy ;) |
| 14:50.06 | lahwran | exactly, that's lame |
| 14:50.45 | blast007 | you're free to fork the game and run your own list if you want that |
| 14:50.54 | lahwran | I want to compete cheats vs cheats, competing at skill breaking things is more fun than competing at skill fighting |
| 14:51.08 | blast007 | that's pointless |
| 14:51.15 | lahwran | whatever |
| 14:51.30 | lahwran | in any case |
| 14:51.30 | blast007 | godmode, and you have won. |
| 14:51.38 | lahwran | oh |
| 14:51.45 | lahwran | I was thinking "passive cheats only"... |
| 14:51.55 | lahwran | in any case |
| 14:52.01 | blast007 | yeah, cuz cheaters will be honest and only put those in ;) |
| 14:52.14 | lahwran | no, because passive cheats cannot be detected on the server |
| 14:52.25 | blast007 | neither can lots of obvious cheats, right now |
| 14:52.44 | lahwran | anyway |
| 14:53.16 | blast007 | to make the -solo bots grab flags and utilize them would probably be a good amount of effort |
| 14:53.33 | lahwran | I was gonna go for "grab flags" before "utilize them" |
| 14:53.58 | lahwran | see, I'm a horrible bzf player, and playing on servers is no fun because everyone else is far better than me |
| 14:54.07 | lahwran | so, -solo :âP |
| 14:54.20 | lahwran | but I'm good enough to eat those bots alive |
| 14:54.39 | blast007 | that just means you need to turn off jumping ;) |
| 14:54.46 | blast007 | and add more bots |
| 14:54.50 | lahwran | or make them jump |
| 14:54.53 | lahwran | which is much more fun |
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| 14:55.05 | blast007 | the solo bots are deadly accurate if you jump, though |
| 14:55.13 | blast007 | they'll shoot under where you will land |
| 14:55.14 | lahwran | I know |
| 14:55.25 | lahwran | most human players are too :âP |
| 14:55.29 | blast007 | :) |
| 14:59.57 | KTL | i once tried to make bots too, incorporated it into the press-9-bot, ... i fired exactly to where the opponent would be based on his current movements... i could intercept a jumping opponent from quite far |
| 15:01.20 | KTL | but i failed entirely with the bullet avoidance later-on, the bot behaved like a parkinson-patient :( |
| 15:01.21 | blast007 | I both both -solo and autopilot to die ;) |
| 15:01.24 | blast007 | want both* |
| 15:01.45 | KTL | in favor of server-side bots |
| 15:02.40 | blast007 | yes |
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| 16:54.13 | Nidhoggr | upgrading teamspeak is always a pain. |
| 16:55.43 | blast007 | ever tried mumble? |
| 17:00.28 | Nidhoggr | no.. this is for my ffxi linkshell. |
| 17:00.32 | Nidhoggr | is mumble opensource? |
| 17:07.01 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: yeah |
| 17:07.26 | blast007 | I can't give a fair comparison of it versus teamspeak though since I've barely used either |
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| 17:07.57 | blast007 | BZFlag 2.99.x has code in place to handle 3D positional voice chat with Mumble, though, for instance |
| 17:11.29 | blast007 | DTRemenak: sudo on shire seems to take a while to process.. 5 seconds for 'sudo echo test'. Doesn't seem normal. |
| 17:11.53 | blast007 | my server takes 0.064 seconds for that, and even .bz is snappy |
| 17:15.49 | blast007 | DTRemenak: nvm, fixed it :) |
| 17:16.15 | blast007 | had to add the hostname from /etc/hostname to the loopback entries in /etc/hosts |
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| 17:31.38 | RAThomas | seems like the world of BZ map editing is littered with the corpses of abandoned or otherwise unfinished editor projects |
| 17:32.22 | RAThomas | does some kind soul here have a suggestion as to what is best for a young'un to use when making a map? |
| 17:34.02 | blast007 | RAThomas: you could try using BZWorkBench - it's not "finished" or "released" yet, but it's a more modern BZW editor that is part of the official BZFlag project |
| 17:34.13 | blast007 | RAThomas: what operating system do you run? |
| 17:36.21 | RAThomas | son uses XP, mostly. I'm on Fedora |
| 17:36.42 | RAThomas | he uses Fedora too, so that shouldn't be much of a problem |
| 17:36.49 | blast007 | haven't tried building it on Fedora, though I've built it on Ubuntu |
| 17:37.00 | blast007 | also have built it for Windows |
| 17:37.41 | RAThomas | only available via SVN at this point? |
| 17:37.47 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:37.52 | blast007 | though I had some bins for Windows |
| 17:38.11 | Nidhoggr | how do I download the svn for bzworkbench, blast? I'm on osx |
| 17:38.13 | blast007 | been a while though since I built, so a few improvements probably got put in since then |
| 17:38.32 | RAThomas | OK, I'll try what's in SVN. Was it tagged along with the last release? |
| 17:38.47 | blast007 | the SVN repo for that is https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzworkbench/ |
| 17:39.35 | blast007 | and it looks like there's a proper autogen.sh/configure system in place now |
| 17:39.48 | blast007 | it needs FLTK and OpenSceneGraph to build |
| 17:40.22 | RAThomas | OK, got OSG already, so that's a plus |
| 17:40.54 | blast007 | at one point I think it needed FLTK 1.3, but 1.1 might work too |
| 17:41.20 | RAThomas | Hmm, 1.1 is what Fedora repos offer |
| 17:41.26 | blast007 | give it a shot |
| 17:41.35 | blast007 | I think we made it so it doesn't require 1.3 |
| 17:41.50 | Nidhoggr | gotta find those for osx |
| 17:41.51 | RAThomas | OK, I've got the source, fltk and OSG now, so I'll give a shot. |
| 17:42.03 | RAThomas | my son says he's interested in you windows binaries ;) |
| 17:42.24 | blast007 | I'm going to build new ones here in a bit |
| 17:42.46 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=revision&revision=21343 <-- I think *that's* the change we made to make it work with FLTK 1.1 |
| 17:43.56 | Nidhoggr | off to breakfast. /wave |
| 17:52.36 | RAThomas | windows/View.cpp:85:23: error: âclass osgGA::TrackballManipulatorâ has no member named âsetMinimumZoomScaleâ |
| 17:52.52 | RAThomas | Any particular version of OSG? (I have 2.8.4 and 3.0.0) |
| 18:00.47 | blast007 | it was made with 2.8.x |
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| 18:08.03 | JeffM | blast007, did you realize that techincaly we should not allow winny's rat's nest on bzbb? |
| 18:08.11 | JeffM | he did cc nc |
| 18:09.00 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:09.15 | JeffM | even tho I am going to use them in my side project :) |
| 18:11.27 | RAThomas | 105.2 deg F here. Forecast high of 108 :( |
| 18:11.40 | JeffM | where is here? |
| 18:11.46 | RAThomas | Oklahoma |
| 18:12.04 | JeffM | that's pretty high for you guys |
| 18:12.12 | JeffM | I've done 112, it ain't fun |
| 18:14.44 | RAThomas | this summer's big heatwave kinda started here. Been like this or nearly so for several weeks. No rain either |
| 18:16.09 | JeffM | only suposed to be like 85 here today |
| 18:17.08 | RAThomas | curse you ;) |
| 18:17.36 | kierra_away | 91.9 here |
| 18:17.58 | RAThomas | you too |
| 18:18.14 | kierra_away | we have high humidity though |
| 18:18.21 | kierra_away | pushes heat index up |
| 18:18.23 | BulletCatcher | I just successfully built bzworkbench on Fedora 14 using the OpenSceneGraph-devel-2.8.4-2 RPM. |
| 18:19.06 | BulletCatcher | If you also have 3.0.0 there may be confusion. |
| 18:19.41 | RAThomas | yes. flightgear builds fine against whatever bastard OSG installation I may have here... |
| 18:19.51 | JeffM | I'm still not entirely sure what OSG got us in that project? just materials? |
| 18:20.07 | RAThomas | I think I got 2.8.4 via Fedora but built 3.0.0 from source |
| 18:20.55 | JeffM | blast007, how has fastmap been working? |
| 18:21.32 | blast007 | I haven't put it on a server quite yet |
| 18:21.37 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 18:21.52 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, can we get fastmap put back in the build? |
| 18:22.00 | blast007 | I already did |
| 18:22.05 | JeffM | ahhok |
| 18:22.05 | JeffM | thanks |
| 18:22.17 | JeffM | is very out of it today for some reason |
| 18:28.02 | RAThomas | JeffM: I would hope OSG could make bzworkbench pretty (cameras, rendering, etc) but since I haven't gotten to try it yet... |
| 18:28.30 | JeffM | OSG dosn't do any better rendering then other GL code |
| 18:28.38 | JeffM | and we kinda had all that in bzflag ;) |
| 18:29.07 | JeffM | and there is the extra step of making OSG draw like bzflag would |
| 18:29.09 | RAThomas | it has shaders and so on, but probably overkill for an editor |
| 18:29.40 | JeffM | it has a lot of things we won't use in an editor |
| 18:29.48 | JeffM | cus the game dosn't use them |
| 18:30.22 | JeffM | it was just a design choice by the student |
| 18:31.25 | RAThomas | BulletCatcher: For grins, I erased OSG-devel (rpm -e) and reinstalled it. Still get the same error :( |
| 18:31.35 | RAThomas | I'm on 32 bit F14, you? |
| 18:31.43 | JeffM | but still it's probably the best codebase to develop on if someone wants to pick it up again |
| 18:32.08 | BulletCatcher | 64-bit here. |
| 18:32.09 | BulletCatcher | Did you do a "make distclean" before rebuilding? |
| 18:32.17 | RAThomas | Hmmm, no. |
| 18:32.21 | RAThomas | will do |
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| 18:33.43 | RAThomas | make distclean deleted Makefile too. Zat right? |
| 18:34.13 | BulletCatcher | Yes. Now run ./configure . |
| 18:34.22 | RAThomas | did that. making now |
| 18:34.31 | blast007 | hmm, will need to make a config.h for Windows |
| 18:35.10 | JeffM | how out of date is the project? |
| 18:35.18 | blast007 | also, on Windows it doesn't have M_PI when building src/objects/cone.cpp |
| 18:35.40 | blast007 | JeffM: well, for OSG, I think we need the previous branch (2.8.x) instead of 3.0 |
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| 18:35.58 | blast007 | FLTK's stable is 1.3, which works with BZWB |
| 18:35.59 | JeffM | why can't we fix the code to work with 3? |
| 18:36.25 | RAThomas | dunno, blast. flightgear works with 2.8.x and 3.0.0 |
| 18:36.43 | JeffM | you can't compare apples and oranges ;) |
| 18:36.53 | BulletCatcher | bzworkbench ought to work with both OSG 2.8 and 3.0 . |
| 18:37.01 | JeffM | did they deprecate something? |
| 18:37.09 | BulletCatcher | But only one at a time. |
| 18:37.27 | BulletCatcher | 3.0 has new features. BZWB has #ifdefs to compensate. |
| 18:37.30 | RAThomas | yeah, my point is FG uses shiploads from OSG, in contrast with BZWB |
| 18:38.00 | JeffM | does anyone plan on fixing it up? |
| 18:38.22 | BulletCatcher | Fixing what? |
| 18:38.31 | RAThomas | BulletCatcher: Same compile error. Son wants me to help his team in bz ;) |
| 18:38.36 | RAThomas | bbl |
| 18:38.49 | JeffM | workbench, to make it work with the current libs an to finish the bloddy thing ;) |
| 18:39.05 | BulletCatcher | AFAIK it does work with OSG 3.0. |
| 18:39.05 | blast007 | also, on Windows it doesn't have M_PI when building src/objects/cone.cpp |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM | then why would blast say "21<blast007>21 JeffM: well, for OSG, I think we need the previous branch (2.8.x) instead of 3.0" |
| 18:39.30 | blast007 | M_PI is defined in include/model/Primitives.h |
| 18:39.40 | blast007 | JeffM: I haven't tried |
| 18:39.46 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:39.48 | blast007 | and RAThomas had build issues when he had both installed |
| 18:39.54 | blast007 | so I was just assuming :) |
| 18:40.10 | BulletCatcher | I suspect that RAThomas needs to do a more thorough job of removing 3.0. |
| 18:40.21 | blast007 | I have both OSG's here, so I can try once I fix the issues in BZWB itself, and get curl too |
| 18:40.34 | JeffM | well yeah linux has that wierd issue where libs are "installed" and conflicts with other versions |
| 18:40.51 | JeffM | on windows you should just be able to point to a dir |
| 18:40.57 | JeffM | or use an environ |
| 18:46.39 | blast007 | JeffM: is there a way to get a list of all of the constants in a VC project? |
| 18:47.39 | JeffM | not that i know of |
| 18:48.04 | blast007 | hmm, actually think I found one |
| 18:48.05 | JeffM | search for #define |
| 18:48.18 | blast007 | in the class view there's a "Macros and Constants" item |
| 18:48.41 | JeffM | cool |
| 18:48.45 | blast007 | just copies out of there like crap.. |
| 18:51.15 | blast007 | heh, and it didn't get me what I wanted anyway. I wanted the HAVE_* constants, and it didn't show any of those. so maybe only shows ones that were actually *defined* |
| 18:54.25 | JeffM | probably only those with a value |
| 18:55.00 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:55.19 | blast007 | a file search worked well enough - we only have one HAVE_* constant in BZWB :) |
| 18:57.50 | RAThomas | I'm loathe to screw up my FlightGear build by purging OSG, but I with the FG 2.4.0 releasing next month... |
| 18:58.06 | blast007 | wtf's at the BZWorkBench build... |
| 18:58.37 | blast007 | why is it trying to include X11 headers .... |
| 18:59.22 | RAThomas | because if you include *everything* you'll get what you need? ;) |
| 19:01.24 | blast007 | I'm building on Windows ;) |
| 19:02.11 | RAThomas | Oh, it definitely needs X, then ;) |
| 19:13.34 | JeffM | why would you want it to run worse? |
| 19:15.27 | JeffM | tho I'd be curious if the average map author is a player or a server owner |
| 19:17.13 | RAThomas | BulletCatcher: I trust your build actually runs? I removed, hunted down all vestiges of OSG, reinstalled OSG 2.8.4 and the build completed. |
| 19:17.30 | RAThomas | now, however: $ bzworkbench |
| 19:17.32 | RAThomas | model addr: 0x8319a88 |
| 19:17.33 | RAThomas | MainWindow: model addr: 0x8319a88 |
| 19:17.35 | RAThomas | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 19:18.27 | JeffM | run it in gdb and see where it died |
| 19:21.42 | RAThomas | 0x00461aff in osgViewer::Viewer::setStartTick(unsigned long long) () from /usr/lib/libosgViewer.so.65 |
| 19:22.05 | RAThomas | installing debuginfo for a bunch of libs to get more info |
| 19:22.37 | JeffM | it's dying in OSG |
| 19:22.39 | BulletCatcher | Mine doesn't crash. I haven't done any extensive testing, though. |
| 19:24.12 | BulletCatcher | Did you do a "make distclean" after reinstalling OpenSceneGraph-devel ? |
| 19:24.18 | RAThomas | yessir |
| 19:27.00 | JeffM | blast007, did you get OSG to build? |
| 19:28.28 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22086 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: |
| 19:28.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: In usage() only show the -date argument when DEBUG is defined. |
| 19:28.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Also, mention the -eyesep, -focal, and -zbuffer arguments. |
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| 19:41.40 | JeffM | so.... many... dependencies..... |
| 20:01.46 | blast007 | JeffM: I used their bins |
| 20:06.38 | blast007 | JeffM: the average map authors as of recent can't even figure out how to run a local bzfs to actually test their crappy map ;) |
| 20:07.19 | blast007 | (there's exceptions of course - still good quality maps.. just seems to be less of those compared to the "omg look I madez a map!") |
| 20:08.57 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: do we still allow (or should we still allow) disabling of the zbuffer? |
| 20:10.13 | RAThomas | http://pastebin.com/bDwwLCiN |
| 20:13.20 | RAThomas | just looks like it's barfing in OSG for no good reason |
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| 20:52.05 | blast007 | hehe, well, I got it to build on windows, but it crashes when loading a map :) |
| 20:55.02 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22087 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Get it building on Windows again. |
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| 21:11.40 | JeffM | blast007, at some point we want to remove the zbuffer option |
| 21:11.42 | JeffM | and always use it |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM | we are not memory constrained anymore |
| 21:12.20 | JeffM | we don't need 2 sceenegraphs |
| 21:14.26 | JeffM | blast007, what did you use for fltk? build it with the ftgl and ft from 2.99? |
| 21:15.04 | blast007 | I didn't build it with either |
| 21:15.07 | blast007 | don't think it needs that |
| 21:15.19 | JeffM | what target did you use? |
| 21:15.30 | blast007 | you prep'ed it with CMake, right? |
| 21:15.48 | JeffM | no, it has a vcproj |
| 21:15.52 | JeffM | and that's what it said to use |
| 21:16.00 | blast007 | I used CMake to build a VC9 project |
| 21:16.11 | blast007 | I could just give you my bins |
| 21:16.41 | JeffM | fltk-1.3.0\ide\VisualC2008 |
| 21:17.09 | JeffM | the windows readme didn't say anything about cmake |
| 21:17.35 | blast007 | hmm |
| 21:18.37 | JeffM | hmm tho I guess it built this time, it didn't last time |
| 21:20.25 | JeffM | got further, guess it does need a config |
| 21:20.28 | JeffM | do you have one blast007 ? |
| 21:20.33 | JeffM | for bzwb |
| 21:21.02 | JeffM | and it does look like OSG 3.0 no longer has MatrixManipulator |
| 21:31.07 | blast007 | JeffM: update your copy of BZWB |
| 21:31.14 | blast007 | I fixed a few things while you were disconnected |
| 21:31.31 | blast007 | I added a CURL_ROOT env var too |
| 21:35.39 | JeffM | what version of OSG are you using? |
| 21:36.33 | JeffM | wow, now it's a lot worse :) wants X11 |
| 21:36.35 | blast007 | 2.8.5 |
| 21:36.43 | blast007 | restart VC |
| 21:36.47 | blast007 | and do a clean build |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM | ahh I'm using 3.0 |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM | and making the changes need to make it work |
| 21:37.09 | JeffM | a class was renamed |
| 21:37.37 | blast007 | is it just a rename? |
| 21:37.48 | JeffM | that's what I'm looking into |
| 21:37.51 | blast007 | k |
| 21:38.22 | JeffM | restarted, still wants X11 |
| 21:39.15 | blast007 | you did a rebuild? |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM | clean then rebuild solution |
| 21:39.24 | JeffM | multiple times |
| 21:39.27 | blast007 | hrm |
| 21:39.52 | blast007 | I'm building fine here.. |
| 21:40.10 | blast007 | what target? |
| 21:40.18 | JeffM | debug |
| 21:40.31 | blast007 | I was doing release |
| 21:40.35 | blast007 | maybe I screwed up on debug |
| 21:40.59 | RAThomas | suggests you each try the opposite |
| 21:41.01 | RAThomas | ;) |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM | I always start with debug then if it dies when I test run I can find out why ;) |
| 21:41.23 | JeffM | no I'll revert blast's changes and go from there :) |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM | tho bzwb is a warning MACHINE isn't it |
| 21:42.19 | blast007 | the change that did it was adding .\ to the include dirs so it would find the config.h |
| 21:42.44 | blast007 | actually I started by adding just . which is why I started getting the X11 crap |
| 21:42.45 | JeffM | you also made some code changes, I am reviewing now |
| 21:43.00 | blast007 | then I did .\ and it still did, but after restarting a doing a clean it worked |
| 21:43.09 | blast007 | and doing* |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM | usualy the only time you have to restart vc is when an environment variable changes |
| 21:43.45 | blast007 | for debug I missed adding \include after the $(CURL_ROOT) for the includes |
| 21:44.21 | blast007 | bleh, and I need to build fltk in debug too I guess |
| 21:44.32 | JeffM | I had added a .\ to my project as well before I updated, must be something else |
| 21:45.11 | blast007 | maybe delete all unversioned files |
| 21:45.36 | blast007 | hold shift while right clicking in the root of the source, and pick "delete unversioned files" from the Tort menu |
| 21:46.28 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22088 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: Look in the right spot for the cURL includes in debug mode. |
| 21:52.08 | blast007 | JeffM: did you get three failed projects when you built FLTK 1.3 in debug mode? |
| 21:52.45 | JeffM | I don't recall |
| 21:52.58 | blast007 | nvm, rebuilding and they work. guess they didn't set up their deps right. |
| 21:53.13 | blast007 | the three built before the main fltk project was done |
| 21:53.15 | JeffM | yeah I had failures the first time, then second time it seems to have worked |
| 21:53.23 | JeffM | yeah it's not a great project |
| 21:54.12 | JeffM | if I fix the issues for 3.0, it will only work in 3.0+, they broke the API |
| 21:54.15 | blast007 | probably more noticable now that I have a quad-core ;) |
| 21:54.24 | blast007 | more building at once |
| 21:54.34 | JeffM | you'll notice that bzflag build FINE on a quad ;) |
| 21:55.11 | blast007 | would it be worth supporting both versions of OSG? |
| 21:55.20 | blast007 | at least on non-Windows? |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM | it would be hard |
| 21:55.33 | blast007 | bleh |
| 21:55.37 | blast007 | ~lart osg |
| 21:55.37 | ibot | resizes osg's terminal to 40x24 |
| 21:55.41 | JeffM | one of the base class names changed and has different methods |
| 21:55.52 | JeffM | so no I don't think it's worht it |
| 21:56.01 | JeffM | is 3.0 there stable? |
| 21:56.07 | RAThomas | I'd think so, given that 3.0.0. is very new and at least the F14 repos don't have it |
| 21:56.44 | blast007 | 2.8.1 is the version in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS |
| 21:56.45 | RAThomas | I've been following flightgear and they are recommending 3.0.0 for folks building FG from source... |
| 21:56.46 | JeffM | bzworkbench is still in development so I don't realy have any feelings about "legacy package support" |
| 21:57.03 | BulletCatcher | Fedora 15 also has OSG 2.8.4 . |
| 21:57.18 | blast007 | JeffM: it's just not in linux package managers yet :) |
| 21:57.28 | blast007 | for the most part |
| 21:57.30 | JeffM | nether is bzworkbench :) |
| 21:58.01 | blast007 | but people won't be able to easily build it on linux |
| 21:58.12 | JeffM | is there a huge demand for it now? |
| 21:58.15 | JeffM | is it even useable? |
| 21:58.15 | RAThomas | several FG devs are still using OSG 2.8.x, so I'm a bit puzzled that differences are an issue here |
| 21:58.28 | blast007 | I think it's as usable as bzedit |
| 21:58.33 | JeffM | RAThomas, ask them if they use MatrixManipulator |
| 21:59.19 | JeffM | if you want to stick with the old one we can, but then I'll rename the environment var for windows to FLTK_284 |
| 21:59.28 | RAThomas | JeffM: is that the parent class for the setMinimumZoomScale that I had trouble with? |
| 21:59.30 | JeffM | so it's clear what specific old version we require |
| 21:59.36 | blast007 | even Ubuntu 11.04 still have OSG 2.8 |
| 21:59.39 | JeffM | RAThomas, part of it |
| 21:59.40 | blast007 | 2.8.3 there |
| 22:00.35 | JeffM | and it's impossible to have both on linux? |
| 22:00.48 | blast007 | gentoo is using 2.8.3 too |
| 22:01.24 | blast007 | it's not impossible |
| 22:01.32 | JeffM | possible and easy? |
| 22:01.36 | blast007 | it's just that you generally don't have multiple ones installed system-wide |
| 22:01.41 | blast007 | probably not easy, no |
| 22:01.42 | RAThomas | FG still hasn't gotten rid of plib completely, so isn't using some complimentary parts from OSG. May be why 2.8/3.0 isn't an issue |
| 22:01.55 | JeffM | yet for some reason linux is "better"... huh... |
| 22:02.11 | JeffM | sounds like we have no choice but to use 2.8 |
| 22:02.18 | JeffM | since linux holds us hostage |
| 22:02.24 | KTL | *rrr* |
| 22:02.34 | JeffM | it's fine we just need to document it |
| 22:02.42 | JeffM | like when we had to use the older DirectX |
| 22:06.25 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22089 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (README README.MSWindows): note that OSG 2.8 is required and 3.0 will NOT work |
| 22:09.59 | RAThomas | JeffM: grepping latest FG shows use of KeySwitchMatrixManipulator (derived, maybe) |
| 22:10.11 | JeffM | yes that's not the same thing |
| 22:10.23 | JeffM | the MatrixManipulator was merged into the StandardManipulator |
| 22:10.32 | JeffM | so the base has most of the same features, but not all |
| 22:10.55 | JeffM | so we can't support both |
| 22:11.04 | JeffM | and it looks like 2.8 is the choice |
| 22:11.17 | JeffM | so if you have something on linux that requires 3.0 you are somewhat boned |
| 22:11.57 | JeffM | blast007, the FLTK source install does not have an "include" dir |
| 22:12.02 | JeffM | just FL at the root |
| 22:12.07 | blast007 | yeah, noticed that |
| 22:12.09 | JeffM | how did you get an "include" dir? |
| 22:12.19 | JeffM | did you have to make it? |
| 22:12.26 | blast007 | the way I had done it it installed into c:\program files (x86)\FLTK\ and it had an include dir there |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM | where did you getn ainstaller, I do not see one on the site |
| 22:13.15 | JeffM | just source downloads |
| 22:13.58 | blast007 | it was what CMake generated |
| 22:14.04 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:14.10 | blast007 | it made an INSTALL project that put stuff there |
| 22:14.24 | JeffM | so great they have 2 different build systems and conflicting docs...... |
| 22:14.28 | blast007 | and of course the structure differs ;) |
| 22:14.52 | JeffM | guess we have to check for both |
| 22:15.09 | blast007 | note that they include a zlib in FLTK, and we also use zlib with our cURL, so I wonder if that will cause any "fun" issues if the versions differ :) |
| 22:15.41 | RAThomas | gotta log off. Time allowing, I'll try building bzwb on a fresh F14 VM at work tomorrow. Later |
| 22:15.46 | JeffM | I'd love to move URL retreval out of BZWB and into a platform specific lib, like we do for the open dialog |
| 22:15.50 | blast007 | RAThomas: cya |
| 22:16.15 | JeffM | then we could just reuse that dll in bz |
| 22:17.30 | blast007 | and maybe when/if we decide to use some UI lib for BZFlag we could use the same one in BZWB |
| 22:17.54 | JeffM | bzwb has different needs then bzflag so I dunno |
| 22:18.26 | JeffM | for bzwb I'd rather see it go to a UI toolkit that can use native widgits |
| 22:18.32 | JeffM | rather then drawing it all ourselves |
| 22:18.51 | JeffM | yet the game UI won't have very many things that map to native widgets |
| 22:19.33 | JeffM | BZWB isn't going to need a big onscreen menu list that works using keys ;) |
| 22:23.58 | JeffM | did you get curl link errors in sceneBuilder? |
| 22:24.48 | JeffM | ahh you forgot curl in debug |
| 22:24.48 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22090 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: Few tweaks to the included libraries. |
| 22:24.53 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:24.55 | blast007 | there you go |
| 22:26.52 | JeffM | yeah now you conflict with my changes |
| 22:26.55 | JeffM | is that all you did? |
| 22:27.44 | blast007 | I changed one in the release too |
| 22:28.05 | JeffM | what was wrong with it? |
| 22:28.09 | blast007 | when I built the VC proj with CMake, it changed how it output their zlib library :P |
| 22:28.19 | blast007 | so I put it back the way it was before I started |
| 22:28.39 | JeffM | I'm making it work when you follow there instructions ;) |
| 22:28.42 | blast007 | (the CMake'd version made it save as zlib.lib instead of fltkz.lib) |
| 22:28.48 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 22:29.06 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22091 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: rename OSG environ var to OSG_28_ROOT to show the older version we use |
| 22:30.03 | JeffM | only OSG needs dlls right? |
| 22:30.08 | blast007 | and libcurl |
| 22:30.29 | blast007 | some part of our build copies zlib's DLL from fltk into the BZWB dir |
| 22:30.51 | blast007 | and it's a version that doesn't work with the libcurl bins |
| 22:31.08 | blast007 | and I get a crash when I load a world :) |
| 22:31.11 | JeffM | ugg and we assume a working dir for share... |
| 22:44.16 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r22092 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 6 dirs): do a better job searching for the share dir |
| 22:45.17 | blast007 | crashing on this: mslot.defaultMaterial->setMode(GL_CULL_FACE, osg::StateAttribute::ON | osg::StateAttribute::OVERRIDE ); |
| 22:45.31 | blast007 | in the various object files (like box.cpp and pyramid.cpp) |
| 22:56.32 | JeffM | using FLTK is going to make bzworkbench much more sensitive to the working directory then windows bzflag is |
| 22:57.23 | JeffM | how do you get the crashes blast007 ? |
| 22:57.29 | JeffM | making objects or loading a map? |
| 22:57.41 | blast007 | loading a map |
| 22:57.47 | blast007 | load boxworld |
| 22:58.19 | JeffM | I get a parse error, but no crash |
| 22:58.43 | blast007 | might be because I'm running it over RDP too.. I'll have to try from the computer directly |
| 22:59.09 | JeffM | maybe |
| 22:59.26 | JeffM | not sure it's as useable as bzedit, don't see any link info here |
| 22:59.44 | JeffM | and man does it need UI help :) |
| 23:00.17 | blast007 | well, bzedit doesn't write out teleporter links that actually *work* in recent bzfs ;) |
| 23:00.28 | JeffM | that's probably true |
| 23:00.33 | JeffM | but at least they are there :) |
| 23:00.35 | blast007 | problem is with the teleporters itself, iirc |
| 23:00.44 | blast007 | the name changes we did |
| 23:00.59 | JeffM | they used to work, not my fault somone introducted a regression bug |
| 23:02.58 | blast007 | actually I think it was you that changed it :) |
| 23:03.33 | blast007 | but I can't remember anymore.. was a long time ago |
| 23:03.50 | JeffM | you know I actualy hate bzflag right |
| 23:07.15 | blast007 | Maybe you marry that thing if you hate it so much. Do you want to marry it? Well I won't let you! How does that feel? |
| 23:07.33 | JeffM | what if I move to new york? |
| 23:09.08 | blast007 | then there may be a fine of $25 |
| 23:09.23 | blast007 | also, you can not wear slippers after 10PM |
| 23:10.59 | JeffM | hmm I don't own slippers, but I only have 20$ on me |
| 23:13.39 | spldart | OMG... Are we going to have a fashion show as well?! Hehe |
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| 23:40.32 | blast007 | JeffM: ah, I was missing some DLL file from OSG |
| 23:41.56 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22093 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: Copy the right DLLs files for OSG 2.8.5 |
| 23:58.34 | blast007 | bleh, I hate crashes that are hard to reproduce :P |