| 00:05.27 | Flash | Found an odd glitch with Rabbit Hunt. |
| 00:07.27 | Flash | given exactly 2 players, if the non rabbit dies, but kills the rabbit from the grave, then the first player should be annointed rabbit (assuming both respawn immediately) |
| 00:07.40 | Flash | however, the original rabbit was annointed. |
| 00:07.51 | Thumper_ | that's the same in 2.0.x I think |
| 00:07.55 | JeffM | that's going to be HIGHLY dependent on lag |
| 00:07.56 | Flash | Then, when the non rabbit kills the rabbit, he is charged with a team kill |
| 00:08.06 | Flash | THAT's the but |
| 00:08.08 | Thumper_ | there's a weird bug when the rabbit dies and no new rabbit is appointed |
| 00:08.08 | Flash | bug |
| 00:08.25 | Thumper_ | ok. it's not new for 2.4 |
| 00:09.00 | Thumper_ | I've seen that behaviour in 2.0.17 too |
| 00:09.36 | Flash | ok. I've never seen it before |
| 00:09.48 | Flash | also, it seems that N is narrower than before |
| 00:10.10 | Flash | I shot myself, I think because my barrel was clipped "in" a wall (nearly parallel) |
| 00:15.03 | blast007 | well, document the oddities and make a bug report |
| 00:15.36 | blast007 | the rabbit selection is server side, so we can just tweak it there to work better |
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| 03:08.51 | Zac_ | can anyone provide me with an explanation as to why scroll wheel doesnt work as a shooting button in 2.4? |
| 03:09.04 | PlasticTank | Works for me? |
| 03:09.25 | JeffM | what OS |
| 03:09.41 | Zac_ | Linux |
| 03:09.57 | JeffM | could be sdl related then |
| 03:10.02 | Zac_ | ugh |
| 03:10.41 | Zac_ | i also cant get sound on 2.4 |
| 03:10.54 | JeffM | also sdl related |
| 03:11.00 | JeffM | your sdl has to match your sound system |
| 03:12.42 | Zac_ | so i change the sdl and i cna use scroll wheel? |
| 03:13.07 | JeffM | no clue |
| 03:13.44 | JeffM | but SDL is where we get the input from and SDL is where the sound goes, and if both don't work for you then that would be the place to start debugin |
| 03:13.46 | Zac_ | .. |
| 03:13.50 | JeffM | did you build your own bin? |
| 03:14.22 | Zac_ | dad woulda |
| 03:14.51 | JeffM | what version of sdl was it built with? |
| 03:15.37 | bryjen | when you start bzflag, do the version end in "linux-gnu-SDL" ? |
| 03:16.20 | Zac_ | fedora? |
| 03:16.29 | Zac_ | uhwaitascond |
| 03:16.49 | Zac_ | just linux-gnu |
| 03:17.04 | JeffM | then it wasn't built with sdl |
| 03:17.06 | JeffM | build it with sdl |
| 03:17.08 | Zac_ | just linux-gnu (0221) |
| 03:17.23 | Zac_ | build bz with sdl |
| 03:17.26 | Zac_ | ? |
| 03:17.35 | JeffM | who built it for you? |
| 03:18.21 | Zac_ | dad, i'll talk to him when he gets home from work |
| 03:18.25 | Zac_ | thanks jeff |
| 03:18.26 | bryjen | i guess the plain-old-linux code is a little buggy :/ |
| 03:18.27 | JeffM | he built it wrong |
| 03:18.31 | JeffM | yeah it is |
| 03:18.39 | JeffM | he needs to install sdl dev |
| 03:22.45 | JeffM | or you can wait untill someone who knows what they are doing builds an SDL package |
| 03:28.33 | trepan | if "plain-old-linux" is "wrong", then maybe it should be removed |
| 03:29.33 | Zac_ | will do 2nd |
| 03:36.01 | Erroneous | it's not wrong, just limited |
| 03:36.17 | Erroneous | doesn't support scrollwheel, for instance ;) |
| 03:36.31 | JeffM | it was built wrong for what he wants to do |
| 03:37.44 | Erroneous | built wrong (your comment) != is wrong (trepan's comment) |
| 03:38.20 | JeffM | maybe some people don't like mouse wheels :) |
| 03:38.28 | Erroneous | iirc sound without sdl is oss, so if your oss output has been acquired exclusively by something (like another sound server) you won't get sound |
| 03:39.18 | bryjen | replaces Erroneous' computer with a 286 running OS/2 |
| 03:39.28 | bryjen | it's not wrong... |
| 03:39.29 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:39.29 | Erroneous | likes OS/2 |
| 03:39.47 | Erroneous | but it really needs a 386 to not fail horribly at multitasking ;) |
| 03:39.55 | bryjen | Of course you would. Pffft. |
| 03:53.41 | JeffM | any modelers looking for a challenge? :) |
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| 04:30.00 | BulletCatcher | If we were to bundle SDL with BZFlag is there any chance we could get it to configure/compile correctly on, say, at least 4 or 5 different types of systems? |
| 04:30.01 | BulletCatcher | Or are we better off relying upon each Linux distro to solve that problem? |
| 04:30.37 | JeffM | it's pretty common on systems |
| 04:30.57 | JeffM | compilin our own could be problematic for sound |
| 04:35.32 | BulletCatcher | I understand that choosing oss/alsa/pulse (or perhaps something else) would complicate it. |
| 04:35.37 | BulletCatcher | I just don't know how the SDL configure script would work. |
| 04:35.40 | BulletCatcher | We've gone without a bundled SDL for a long time, so we can probably continue to do without it. |
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| 10:08.02 | trepan | fwiw, the current SDL-1.3 hg repo is about 63M (about 44M of that is in the test/ subdir) |
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| 17:16.06 | blast007 | what all would we want on our main site? news, screenshots... what else? |
| 17:16.26 | blast007 | (and I mean ON the main site, not including links to wiki pages and whatnot) |
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| 17:36.25 | allejo | was bz_getMaxWaitTime removed from the API in 2.4 or am I missing it? |
| 17:39.11 | blast007 | it was |
| 17:39.24 | blast007 | it was replaced with a variable you can set, iirc |
| 17:39.48 | blast007 | see http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_API_2.4_Upgrade |
| 17:41.55 | allejo | ahh there it is. thank you blast007 |
| 17:46.01 | JeffM | yeah since bzfs now has an object for each plugin each one can set it's own max wait time and bzfs will use the smallest of all loaded plugins |
| 17:46.13 | JeffM | that way you don't have to restore the time and plugins don't fight |
| 17:47.31 | allejo | so whatever plugin uses the smallest time, that's the time bzfs will use? |
| 17:47.43 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:47.52 | JeffM | unless bzfs itself uses a smaller time |
| 17:47.52 | allejo | ok thank you for the clarification |
| 17:48.10 | JeffM | there are some cases where bzfs sets a small time, even 0 |
| 17:48.43 | allejo | if bzfs sets the time to 0, no plugin will change it? |
| 17:48.55 | JeffM | a plugin can't change the time' |
| 17:49.11 | JeffM | it can only tell bzfs what the longest time it wants between updates |
| 17:49.21 | allejo | ahh alright |
| 17:49.22 | JeffM | and bzfs will ensure that the tick time is less then that |
| 17:49.29 | JeffM | the tick event is not a timer |
| 17:49.37 | JeffM | it will not have consistent updates |
| 17:49.49 | JeffM | it will only have them in a time less then you specify |
| 17:50.17 | allejo | alright |
| 17:50.20 | allejo | makes sense |
| 17:50.39 | JeffM | so if you do need a real timer then you want to set the min time to less then your timer, probalby 1/2 or 1/4 and then track the time yourself |
| 17:50.41 | JeffM | or start a thread |
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| 18:49.05 | quantumdot | blast, please can you PIN this post whenever you have time http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=17489 thank you |
| 18:49.42 | blast007 | quantumdot: done |
| 18:49.49 | quantumdot | geez |
| 18:49.59 | quantumdot | that was fast |
| 18:50.19 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 20:02.25 | JeffM | blast007, maybe it would be best to split the discussion of how to get that guy building 2.4 out to it's own thread in the compile help section? |
| 20:20.40 | blast007 | probably |
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