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| 01:53.59 | I_Died_Once | feels partially responsible for the -publickey requirement |
| 01:57.56 | blast007 | why? |
| 01:58.11 | blast007 | it's there so that we have a contact person for each server |
| 01:58.24 | blast007 | since it is tied to a globally registered name |
| 02:23.27 | delusional | naah. it aint got nothing to do with you |
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| 02:32.53 | cast_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.11 | blast007 | .. |
| 02:37.28 | blast007 | another one that thinks it means Instant Reply Chat |
| 02:39.25 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 02:39.48 | Thumper_ | the poor guy is stranded on a island with no bzflag server to play with |
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| 05:43.26 | Flash | JeffM: re r22064: I'm not a PHP guru, but your test on line 767 doesn't quite match the comment. |
| 05:44.26 | Flash | how about: if (! preg_match("/[A-Z]{4}[0-9]{4}/", $version)) |
| 05:44.33 | Flash | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:34.37 | BulletCatcher | Flash: '/^[A-Z]{4}[0-9]{4}$/' includes the length check in the regular expression. |
| 06:34.55 | Flash | yes |
| 06:35.35 | BulletCatcher | I agree that the existing code doesn't match the comment well. |
| 06:36.28 | Flash | were you just observing, or did I miss something |
| 06:36.45 | BulletCatcher | My regex is different from yours. |
| 06:37.04 | Flash | oh... the end-of-line |
| 06:37.07 | Flash | got it |
| 06:37.10 | BulletCatcher | and beginning |
| 06:37.18 | Flash | ok |
| 06:37.48 | Flash | it's hard to read with the highlighting, since you tagged me :-P |
| 06:39.52 | Flash | also, does case matter? our convention is "BZFS", but if this is to support branched sources, do they have to use an uppercase tag? |
| 06:41.05 | BulletCatcher | It would depend on how permissive we want to be. |
| 06:41.06 | BulletCatcher | I don't think there are a lot of known variations. |
| 06:45.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22065 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/thiefControl/ (. Makefile.am): |
| 06:45.33 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Have Subversion ignore the presence of built files. |
| 06:45.33 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Add -shared to LDFLAGS to prevent generation of the static .a library. |
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| 10:20.20 | Tuxist | i have made a distclean without success |
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| 12:32.23 | blast007 | Tuxist: the distclean failed? or the make after the distclean failed? |
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| 13:15.42 | Tuxist | no i have made add a folder to datadir for shaders |
| 13:16.00 | Tuxist | http://pastebin.com/dNtH9L6q |
| 13:19.42 | blast007 | Tuxist: were you able to build 2.0.16 without modifications? |
| 13:20.06 | Tuxist | yes |
| 13:20.21 | blast007 | what is line 42 of your BZDBCache.h file? |
| 13:20.30 | Tuxist | but i don't understand what is wrong |
| 13:20.31 | Tuxist | mom |
| 13:21.02 | Tuxist | typedef ReadOnly<bool> Bool; |
| 13:21.16 | blast007 | k |
| 13:21.23 | blast007 | no idea why it's getting confused |
| 13:21.53 | blast007 | also, do note that BZFlag 2.4.0 is out now, so you may want to base your modification on that version now |
| 13:22.01 | Tuxist | ok |
| 13:22.07 | Tuxist | i check this |
| 13:22.14 | blast007 | 2.0.16 will be abandonded relatively soon (months?) for the new version by players |
| 13:22.19 | blast007 | 2.0.x will be, that is* |
| 13:22.49 | blast007 | code is largely the same as 2.0.x |
| 13:23.19 | blast007 | also, have you run ./autogen.sh and ./configure again after making changes to the build system? |
| 13:23.34 | Tuxist | yes |
| 13:25.40 | blast007 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1753189/c-multiple-types-in-one-declaration-error |
| 13:25.59 | blast007 | so looks like it could be a missing semicolor at the end of a class definition |
| 13:26.44 | Tuxist | ok i have add the modifications in 2.4.0 |
| 13:26.48 | Tuxist | i try to compile |
| 13:28.04 | blast007 | it'll probably yeild the same issue, but we'll see :) |
| 13:29.33 | Tuxist | if this not help i will change buildsystem to cmake ^^ |
| 13:33.35 | Tuxist | ok problem solved :-D |
| 13:35.50 | blast007 | oh, it worked? heh |
| 13:36.25 | Tuxist | yes but i have no idea why |
| 13:36.34 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 13:37.30 | Tuxist | now it's possibly that i got shaders functions for bzflag this week ready |
| 13:37.37 | Tuxist | i hope so :-D |
| 13:37.44 | Tuxist | my gpu too |
| 13:40.19 | blast007 | also note that BZFlag 2.99.x (which was going to or may still become BZFlag 3.0.0) had Lua built into the client, so stuff like shaders is possible there as well |
| 13:40.42 | blast007 | but I'm not sure if/when 3.0.0 will be completed |
| 13:40.54 | Tuxist | intressting |
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| 13:41.31 | Tuxist | but shaders in lua not the fasted |
| 13:41.35 | blast007 | the cool thing about that is that the server can send a Lua script to the client to be run.. so then everyone would have the same shaders and effects and stuff |
| 13:41.48 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 13:41.56 | blast007 | it's not like BZFlag is the fastest either |
| 13:42.26 | Tuxist | also working on raytrace support |
| 13:42.34 | Tuxist | but for this i use opencl |
| 13:42.40 | blast007 | cool :) |
| 13:42.49 | Tuxist | i think it will be more complicateed |
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| 16:09.49 | blast007 | heh.. the download link on our homepage errors out.. |
| 16:10.18 | blast007 | "Oh snap! We can't process this request." |
| 16:10.38 | blast007 | not sure if that's temporary or if SF is just borked right now |
| 16:13.59 | JeffM | blast007, can you review the change I made to the list server? |
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| 16:17.32 | RAThomas | Anyone know what/who's server is "hix [r220764]"? |
| 16:17.46 | RAThomas | (doesn't appear to be in the server list right now) |
| 16:19.26 | JeffM | it may be running a different vesion then you |
| 16:19.52 | RAThomas | was looking at the list at my.bzflag.org |
| 16:20.08 | JeffM | I see it, it's running 0221, aka 2.4 |
| 16:20.15 | JeffM | what version of bzflag are you using? |
| 16:20.29 | JeffM | 78.129.242.11 BZFS0221 0001003a00030000000000000000070832000a000a000a000a000a0050 78.129.242.11 HiX [r22065] |
| 16:20.57 | RAThomas | 2.4, but it was my son playing BZ, not me. Someone seems to have made him admin there, which is very odd |
| 16:21.11 | blast007 | or everyone is an admin there |
| 16:21.14 | JeffM | I think that's a test server |
| 16:21.28 | JeffM | the r is the svn revision |
| 16:21.36 | RAThomas | blast007: yeah, that's what I was trying to check on. |
| 16:21.38 | JeffM | it gets updated every time we make a change |
| 16:22.02 | RAThomas | Ah, it'd make sense to be a test server, then |
| 16:22.05 | JeffM | blast007, do we have a page that shows the owners of each server that used a key? |
| 16:22.17 | JeffM | we gots the database now |
| 16:22.25 | blast007 | the Lua/JSON formats show it |
| 16:22.33 | blast007 | but not a nice page |
| 16:22.54 | JeffM | do we need a nice page? |
| 16:22.59 | JeffM | for adminidness? |
| 16:23.11 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 16:23.32 | JeffM | RAThomas, it's owned by brad |
| 16:24.08 | RAThomas | OK, thanks. So maybe it is a test server where he may be/become admin automatically? |
| 16:24.20 | JeffM | probably |
| 16:24.21 | blast007 | yeah, I think everyone gets it there |
| 16:24.23 | JeffM | I've seen those before |
| 16:24.37 | RAThomas | it's just that he's 11 and hasn't shown much to earn him admin rights ;) |
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| 16:25.50 | blast007 | nice. SF.net's file listing is down right now.... |
| 16:26.12 | blast007 | they have great timing. |
| 16:26.45 | JeffM | RAThomas, perhaps you should limit the servers he can go to |
| 16:27.28 | RAThomas | is that by using a BZ feature or just shaking my finger at him? ;) |
| 16:27.58 | blast007 | for me, I proxy my list server requests through a local web script ;) |
| 16:28.23 | blast007 | I use that mainly so I don't have to change my password when I switch accounts, but I can also filter out results if I want |
| 16:28.25 | JeffM | there are many ways to limit what domains he can resolve and connect to |
| 16:28.34 | RAThomas | mo-fo appears to cut him off by an age flag from the server |
| 16:28.40 | RAThomas | which is fine by me |
| 16:28.43 | JeffM | I would think you would have a solution for this for more then just bzflag |
| 16:28.44 | blast007 | yeah, they block the COPPA group |
| 16:28.54 | JeffM | but we don't have a feature for it |
| 16:29.28 | JeffM | you should be able to configure a local firewall for his account that only lets him get out to specific hosts |
| 16:30.15 | JeffM | how do you handle him going to inapropriate websites now? |
| 16:30.26 | RAThomas | JeffM: right now the computer he uses at home goes straight through the (really basic) router. I could route him through my Linux box and do filtering there. Lots of other stuff out on the net that should be blocked, too |
| 16:30.53 | RAThomas | lessee, is squid an option there? |
| 16:31.00 | JeffM | what OS is he running? |
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| 16:31.35 | RAThomas | Windows right now, but he gets around in Linux just as well |
| 16:31.57 | JeffM | you should be able to configure windows firewal to block all but a specific list |
| 16:32.23 | blast007 | in Windows firewall? nah |
| 16:32.28 | RAThomas | he's got a few programs that are windows only, of course there's wine for that |
| 16:32.58 | RAThomas | Though I haven't looked at the built-in firewalling options in Windows too much, I;m doubtful too |
| 16:32.58 | blast007 | windows firewall doesn't even block HTTP access from BZFlag.. and it only asks to unblock BZFlag once I'm *joined* to a server |
| 16:34.00 | JeffM | I show inbound and outbound rules that are totaly configurable |
| 16:34.09 | JeffM | but it may be based on what version you have |
| 16:34.19 | JeffM | there are also third party firewalls for windows |
| 16:34.20 | blast007 | you're probably on windows 7 with the advanced firewall |
| 16:34.38 | blast007 | not sure if the "home" editions of 7 have the advanced one or not.. I've only used enterprise |
| 16:34.45 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:34.55 | RAThomas | seems like I could use squid and maybe even find a block list for it |
| 16:35.06 | JeffM | probably |
| 16:35.07 | blast007 | squid would just limit web since it's a web proxy |
| 16:35.18 | JeffM | yeah proxies are not great for games |
| 16:36.08 | RAThomas | right. OK, iptables on Linux? |
| 16:36.11 | blast007 | OpenDNS would maybe be an option - you could at least block *some* domains (they have a limit on their free accounts, and probably even their paid) |
| 16:36.32 | blast007 | and yeah, iptables would work :) |
| 16:37.09 | JeffM | there are lots of solutions |
| 16:37.30 | blast007 | dnsmasq can also read entires from the hosts file, so you could map "bad" domains to 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:37.41 | blast007 | and then use that to serve DNS in the network |
| 16:38.14 | RAThomas | Sounds like I've got some research to do ;) |
| 16:38.30 | RAThomas | I'll probably ditch XP on that box in favor of Linux too |
| 16:39.03 | JeffM | what video chipset does it have? |
| 16:39.18 | RAThomas | Some older NVidia GeForce |
| 16:39.50 | RAThomas | I've run Fedora 12 nicely on that same box, so he'd probably get along with F15 well enough |
| 16:40.01 | JeffM | check if there are drivers for for it, some older ones got moved to legacy |
| 16:41.03 | blast007 | I've not had good luck getting an nVidia 5200 working on Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 16:41.14 | blast007 | at least at a non-stupid resolution |
| 16:41.25 | blast007 | either get crap resolution, or software rendering ;) |
| 16:42.05 | blast007 | ah, there, SF works again |
| 16:43.36 | RAThomas | I'll check that. I try to keep a copy of each nvidia driver package that I get working successfully on Linux (they're famous for breaking things), so I probably have whatever worked last |
| 16:49.19 | RAThomas | is serverlist.php only showing < 2.4 servers? |
| 16:49.30 | blast007 | the stats site only shows 2.0.x servers, yes |
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| 16:50.29 | blast007 | I bet strayer has updated his stats site though. Try http://bzstats.strayer.de |
| 16:50.56 | blast007 | hmm. |
| 16:50.59 | blast007 | 2011-07-03 20:24:29: MSG-BROADCAST 6:snarf! according to another tankster... |
| 16:50.59 | blast007 | 2011-07-03 20:24:45: MSG-BROADCAST 6:snarf! there's still a bug with teleports and BU. |
| 16:51.02 | JeffM | should tell him to add the owner |
| 16:51.02 | blast007 | 2011-07-03 20:25:27: MSG-BROADCAST 6:snarf! like we've been kicked... |
| 16:51.23 | blast007 | (from a 2.4 server) |
| 16:51.38 | JeffM | anyone named after a thundercat can not be trusted |
| 16:51.44 | blast007 | lol |
| 16:54.28 | blast007 | and that may have been referring to the olympics map |
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| 16:55.05 | blast007 | I had run a /reset * on there, and apparently when a server uses a vars file it doesn't store those as the default values ;) |
| 16:55.19 | blast007 | so it reset the world size to half of what it should have been. |
| 16:55.30 | JeffM | yes I belive that was fixed in 2.99 |
| 16:55.30 | blast007 | so for a bit there it was causing kicks when teleporting |
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| 16:55.50 | JeffM | the question is does the same thing happen on 2.0.x? |
| 16:55.54 | blast007 | my suggestion would be just to ditch support for vars files :) |
| 16:55.58 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:56.09 | blast007 | it's not a regression |
| 16:56.30 | JeffM | you think just use the config as the vars file? |
| 16:56.36 | JeffM | since it has /set ability |
| 16:57.15 | Pimpinella | is there a reason why we didn't backport bzfscron already for .0 ? |
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| 16:57.41 | JeffM | tho a better option may be to keep a copy of the bzdb that represents the "inital state" and always have that to go back to, then if you snapshot that after eveything loads plugins can set 'defaults" too |
| 16:57.47 | blast007 | Pimpinella: if you want to do it, go ahead. not sure if Thumper_ started working on that or not |
| 16:57.59 | JeffM | yeah it was just a time constraint |
| 16:58.06 | Pimpinella | ok |
| 16:58.06 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella: probably because I completely forgot about it :) |
| 16:58.09 | JeffM | I did the stuff he would need to use, SSPs |
| 16:59.21 | blast007 | JeffM: I don't know if we need to go that complicated |
| 16:59.29 | JeffM | k |
| 16:59.40 | blast007 | just making it be consistent to what it reset to would be fine |
| 17:00.06 | blast007 | I don't think a vars file really makes it easier to do vars |
| 17:00.09 | DTRemenak | copying bzdb shouldn't be that complicated |
| 17:00.18 | blast007 | it might have been put in before maps could have the options block |
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| 17:03.20 | blast007 | yeah, 1.10.0 had the -vars option, and 2.0.0 added the 'options' block to BZW |
| 17:03.27 | blast007 | so it's just a relic from 1.10 |
| 17:04.09 | JeffM | snapping off a copy of bzdb after load would be a very generic solution, we could add/remove ways to change vars and reset would still work |
| 17:04.22 | JeffM | even stuff with luamap etc.. |
| 17:04.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, I think that solution is more faithful to the intent of /reset |
| 17:05.01 | JeffM | "go back to this point in time" |
| 17:05.02 | DTRemenak | though I won't object to removing -vars |
| 17:05.12 | DTRemenak | its time is past |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM | indeed we don't need 3 ways to set vars :) |
| 17:12.43 | randomparticle | sort of random comment, but i noticed you used the number 3. and it got me wondering, are there any 3-legged animals? |
| 17:12.59 | JeffM | google |
| 17:13.43 | randomparticle | according to wiki: there are no known naturally occurring three-legged animals on Earth |
| 17:13.50 | DTRemenak | pierson's puppeteers and species 8472. oh wait, you mean real animals? :) |
| 17:14.09 | randomparticle | of course, the tripods come from mars |
| 17:15.11 | JeffM | tripods are not the most stable things in the world, specialy with moving legs |
| 17:15.34 | JeffM | but then nether are bipods |
| 17:15.35 | randomparticle | hehe yes |
| 17:16.04 | randomparticle | well, it is curious there are no 3-legged animals. there must be a very good reason for that, perhaps beyond stability |
| 17:16.32 | blast007 | randomparticle: legs were buy three get one free, so God said, "meh, I'll go with four then" |
| 17:16.41 | randomparticle | :--) |
| 17:17.00 | randomparticle | i'll note in passing that starfish appear to have 5 arms |
| 17:17.33 | blast007 | that was the extra from when he built humans |
| 17:17.53 | khazhyk | random: don't you ever watch cartoons? That's 2 arms, 2 legs, and a head! |
| 17:18.02 | blast007 | hah |
| 17:19.56 | Thumper_ | Pimpinella: It's on my list but I haven't started it yet - I won't get to it for at least 2 weeks |
| 18:05.31 | JeffM | hmmm still have over half the servers running 2.0 |
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| 18:29.23 | RAThomas | JeffM: and still getting some players ;) |
| 18:29.40 | JeffM | the players will run the version that the server runs |
| 18:29.47 | JeffM | they stay for the server not the app version |
| 18:29.54 | JeffM | so getting the servers to upgrade is the key |
| 18:32.16 | blast007 | I'm shutting my 2.0's down on the 16th |
| 18:32.33 | blast007 | though I guess I probably just have one 2.0 up right now |
| 18:33.07 | blast007 | and I already have 2.4 maps up.. just need to upgrade some plugins yet |
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| 19:42.59 | JeffM | I sent TimRiker an email about making a debian package, so hopefully that will get the ball rollin for the ubuntuers |
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| 19:46.55 | brad | hi snick |
| 19:54.36 | blast007 | there may be ways to make a package for linux that works on multiple distros |
| 19:54.44 | blast007 | someone had used opkg in the past to do that |
| 19:55.05 | blast007 | or something like that.. doesn't yield the right google results.. |
| 19:55.10 | JeffM | yeah it's like a linux installer |
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| 20:03.52 | jh` | does v. 2.4 require server updates to work? |
| 20:04.42 | Pimpi | jh`, sure, you need a 2.4 server if you want ti use a 2.4 client |
| 20:04.47 | jh` | okk |
| 20:04.53 | JeffM | it is not compatable |
| 20:04.56 | jh` | i see |
| 20:04.58 | JeffM | as we have posted many times :) |
| 20:05.07 | JeffM | if it was compatable it'd have been 2.0.18 |
| 20:05.46 | Pimpi | there are already a lot of 2.4 servers available |
| 20:05.54 | JeffM | slightly less then half |
| 20:07.34 | Pimpi | guess i'll move the rest of mine this weekend |
| 20:07.57 | Pimpi | probably leaving a few matchservers |
| 20:08.10 | Pimpi | 2.0 |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM | if the leauge dosn't upgrade then that's going to delay it |
| 20:08.25 | JeffM | can't you guys just decide to move? |
| 20:08.26 | randomparticle | perhaps a motd warning people to update? |
| 20:08.29 | JeffM | and do it? |
| 20:08.40 | randomparticle | or, rather, encouraging |
| 20:08.45 | JeffM | we waited to wait on the MOTD untill the majority of the servers were moved |
| 20:09.04 | JeffM | cus we can make the MOTD cause the game to download a new version on windows |
| 20:09.12 | JeffM | wanted ot waited :) |
| 20:09.29 | Pimpi | do we have binaries out for all major platforms? |
| 20:09.47 | JeffM | well we've never had bins for linux, but yes we have windows and mac |
| 20:10.04 | JeffM | I've asked tim to do debian, but that's possibly months before it gets into a stable repo |
| 20:10.24 | JeffM | maybe even years |
| 20:10.46 | Erroneous | we had bins for linux, long ago |
| 20:10.58 | JeffM | ok, haven't had bins for linux in a long long time :) |
| 20:10.58 | Pimpi | i don't care about stable and stable users know how to backport a package from unstable |
| 20:11.17 | JeffM | even then expect it to take a while to get anything into debian |
| 20:11.19 | Pimpi | but there's not even a packet out in unstable! |
| 20:11.29 | JeffM | yeah tim is slow |
| 20:11.31 | JeffM | always has been |
| 20:11.40 | JeffM | takes months to get anything updated in debian |
| 20:11.42 | Pimpi | even though out maintainer is also the debian maintainer |
| 20:11.48 | JeffM | YEP |
| 20:11.50 | JeffM | fun isn't it? |
| 20:11.55 | Pimpi | :7 |
| 20:12.04 | JeffM | we can post a debian package |
| 20:12.13 | JeffM | it just won't be in apt for a while |
| 20:12.28 | Pimpi | i tried to build it, failed though |
| 20:12.30 | JeffM | I wonder how many linux users are on debian based packages? |
| 20:13.00 | Pimpi | i had no time to have a closer look what went wrong |
| 20:13.16 | JeffM | well if you upgrade the servers then there is more pressue on tim to get it going |
| 20:13.24 | JeffM | or get someone else to help him |
| 20:13.26 | brad | ~dns 63.246.136.16 |
| 20:13.32 | Pimpi | i guess 50%+ are based more or less on debian |
| 20:13.38 | JeffM | if you guys delay in upgrading for months then we'll loose this momentum |
| 20:13.59 | Pimpi | true |
| 20:14.00 | JeffM | our data seems to show that liunx is progbably our third most popluar platform |
| 20:14.08 | JeffM | so you |
| 20:14.16 | JeffM | so you'll probably not have a big dip |
| 20:14.34 | Pimpi | really, only third? |
| 20:14.47 | JeffM | yep |
| 20:14.52 | JeffM | windows, then mac, then linux |
| 20:14.54 | JeffM | then bsd |
| 20:14.56 | JeffM | with 14 |
| 20:15.09 | JeffM | it is the number 1 server OS of course |
| 20:15.13 | JeffM | but they don't use packages |
| 20:16.09 | JeffM | that is assuming that people on all platforms play about the same as each other |
| 20:16.17 | JeffM | cus that's based on list server authentications |
| 20:16.20 | JeffM | aka joins |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM | but I have no info that says a windows player will join twice as much as a mac user |
| 20:17.28 | Pimpi | i'll press things a little in league admin forums |
| 20:17.33 | JeffM | thanks |
| 20:17.51 | JeffM | let us know what would hold you up and I'll see if we can get you what you need |
| 20:18.09 | JeffM | like I said, I've sent TimRiker an email today to get him rollin on a debian submission |
| 20:18.18 | JeffM | I know tupone is working on gentoo |
| 20:18.26 | JeffM | do we submit to redhat? |
| 20:21.25 | Pimpi | http://www.fedora.org/ |
| 20:21.35 | blast007 | we already have a MOTD up |
| 20:21.43 | blast007 | people don't read it ;) |
| 20:21.51 | blast007 | not that I can blame them |
| 20:21.56 | blast007 | it's not like it ever updates |
| 20:22.19 | JeffM | mass bzbb mail :) |
| 20:22.21 | blast007 | and it's hidden behind the menu text and/or dimmed background |
| 20:22.29 | blast007 | could do that, probably |
| 20:22.35 | blast007 | "Upgrade or die!" |
| 20:22.44 | JeffM | pimpi also if you don't uprade you will have downtime when we move services |
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| 20:23.22 | JeffM | but then the leagues are used to downtime when someone forgets to pay the bill ;) |
| 20:24.36 | blast007 | JeffM: windows users have to reboot nine times as often, thus more joins! it must be true! I heard it from a linux user! |
| 20:24.53 | JeffM | and they always know best |
| 20:24.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:25.43 | blast007 | that'll be the way to kill 2.0 ;) move the list |
| 20:25.54 | blast007 | and not tell anyone |
| 20:26.14 | JeffM | we should set a deadline for the move |
| 20:26.16 | Thumper_ | blast007: how's that different from 'move the list and tell people' ? |
| 20:26.17 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 20:26.21 | JeffM | that will help upgrades |
| 20:27.36 | bryjen | how will 2.4.0 find the moved list? |
| 20:27.40 | blast007 | Thumper_: because if tell them they might actually restart their 2.0.x servers |
| 20:27.47 | blast007 | move to a new IP, I mean |
| 20:27.52 | Thumper_ | but they're not listening now ;) |
| 20:28.09 | Thumper_ | oh you mean the server owners... not the players |
| 20:28.09 | blast007 | Thumper_: I don't care about the servers - I care about the users ;) |
| 20:28.10 | JeffM | bryjen, i rechecks DNS on every hit |
| 20:28.18 | blast007 | if suddenly no servers, the users will come asking |
| 20:28.19 | JeffM | 2.0.x caches the IP |
| 20:28.23 | blast007 | "Oh, it's all 2.4 now" we'll say |
| 20:28.32 | blast007 | and they'll be "oh sweet, a new version?!" |
| 20:28.40 | blast007 | and all will be well in the world, and stuff |
| 20:29.06 | Thumper_ | in theory |
| 20:29.13 | JeffM | bryjen, so 2.4 servers will have at most 10 min of time not on the list |
| 20:29.24 | JeffM | or whatever the heatbeat time is |
| 20:29.32 | JeffM | 2.0 will keep failing untill restart |
| 20:29.34 | Thumper_ | I misunderstood you 'telling people' being a before we move the services, not after they come here asking |
| 20:30.01 | RAThomas | I see a "bzflag.spec" file in the source. Zat mean I (or anyone) should be able to roll an RPM easily? |
| 20:30.24 | JeffM | don't know about easily |
| 20:30.28 | Thumper_ | try it |
| 20:30.35 | RAThomas | will do |
| 20:30.43 | blast007 | Thumper_: ah :) |
| 20:31.36 | RAThomas | is there someone associated with Fedora Project who is responsible for making their BZ RPM or does someone here submit it? |
| 20:31.53 | JeffM | no clue |
| 20:32.02 | JeffM | is bzflag even included in redhat? |
| 20:32.17 | RAThomas | no. Available in Fedora, though |
| 20:32.24 | blast007 | looks like the last real change to that file was in 2005 |
| 20:32.38 | blast007 | the rest have been whitespace, CVS conversions, and copyright year changes ;) |
| 20:33.02 | JeffM | the only 2 repos I know that we do something for is debian ( TimRiker ) and gentoo (tupone) |
| 20:33.12 | JeffM | the rest we arn't really involved with |
| 20:34.10 | blast007 | and of those two, one is fast to update ... ;) |
| 20:34.49 | JeffM | ubuntu should pick up bzflag faster once it gets into unstable |
| 20:34.58 | RAThomas | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/bzflag |
| 20:35.23 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah, "once" :) |
| 20:35.27 | JeffM | looks like you need to talk to nphilipp |
| 20:35.28 | JeffM | |
| 20:35.32 | RAThomas | looks like "nphillip:" |
| 20:35.33 | JeffM | blast007, yeah in 2015 |
| 20:36.42 | RAThomas | Well, I'll try to build the package first and see where that gets me |
| 20:37.25 | joevano | Pimpi: the league players on linux can surely build their own client... they need their mods anyway ;-) |
| 20:37.27 | JeffM | bet fedora is a super small group of people:) |
| 20:37.47 | JeffM | joevano, want to move the wiki to a new home? |
| 20:38.53 | joevano | JeffM: sure... I am asuuming we have mysql on the server already |
| 20:38.59 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:39.39 | JeffM | the machine is already running a few other sites |
| 20:39.45 | JeffM | so it should be all setup |
| 20:40.30 | JeffM | does the mainsite even use a db anymore? |
| 20:40.36 | JeffM | can we just move that over? |
| 20:41.32 | joevano | Not sure on the main site, i've looked at it a little but not closely |
| 20:41.42 | JeffM | and as for stats I say we stop the old site and just have people use strayers untill we finish push stats |
| 20:41.43 | joevano | I'll look at it as well |
| 21:04.51 | RAThomas | [rthomas@localhost bzflag-2.4.0]$ rpmbuild -ba bzflag.spec |
| 21:04.54 | RAThomas | error: line 26: Unknown tag: copyright: Copyright (c) 1993-2011 Tim Riker |
| 21:05.12 | RAThomas | kinda tripped up outta the gate |
| 21:05.23 | JeffM | yeah it's been ages since we ran the thing |
| 21:06.11 | RAThomas | well, I'll fiddle with it more a little later |
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| 21:20.46 | Pimpi | joevano, believe it or not, i use an unmodded client ;) |
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| 22:20.36 | blast007 | JeffM: the main site does use a database, since there's the old admin stuff that we used for the MOTD editor yet |
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| 22:31.48 | JeffM | blast007, ahh ok |
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| 22:32.55 | JeffM | pimpi that's why I think using the build date to detect "cheating" is stupid, there are so many ways to get bzflag you won't do anything sensible by using the date unless you stick with windows and OSX |
| 22:40.52 | blast007 | that's also why /clientquery is disabled on my server ;) |
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| 22:59.02 | TimRiker | JeffM, I'm working on a package, I have pbuilder setup and have built and tested a subversion snapshot. Will update the debian changelog, and build a release package next. planning to submit to debian unstable. I have not looked into submitting to ubuntu directly yet. |
| 22:59.20 | JeffM | TimRiker,ok |
| 22:59.32 | TimRiker | we could setup an apt-get feed on one of our servers and folks can pull directly from there if we want. |
| 22:59.41 | TimRiker | just another bit to maintain is all. |
| 22:59.42 | JeffM | is that hard? |
| 23:00.01 | JeffM | or can we just post the .deb? |
| 23:00.13 | TimRiker | no. just upload the debs and build a Packages file. nice to have a signing key for the repo too. |
| 23:00.14 | JeffM | but I don't mind seting up apt.bzflag.org |
| 23:00.54 | JeffM | we were pondering making our own download page with donated mirrors for the other releases to get off of SF |
| 23:00.57 | TimRiker | could host whichever debian and ubuntu releases we want. pbuilder will target different releases. |
| 23:01.00 | JeffM | so that could go along with it |
| 23:01.14 | TimRiker | nods |
| 23:01.14 | JeffM | ok, that's something to defenatly think about |
| 23:01.55 | TimRiker | been a busy day, and I'm traveling this weekend. I hope to get a package pushed to debian tonight, but there's a lot going on. |
| 23:01.59 | JeffM | still wants blast007 to review his list server changes :) |
| 23:02.21 | JeffM | TimRiker, ok, I just waned to make sure that it was in progress so I have something to tell people :) |
| 23:02.22 | blast007 | oh yeah, those |
| 23:02.48 | TimRiker | was was the outcome of the discussion on moving to json or something other than space separated txt? |
| 23:03.08 | JeffM | the list server has support for json now |
| 23:03.17 | TimRiker | I'd like to get back to working on ipv6 dual stack support some time. |
| 23:03.44 | JeffM | the last discussion was for push stats and that got pushed back to 2.4.2 or 2.4.4 |
| 23:03.47 | JeffM | we made a roadmap |
| 23:03.56 | TimRiker | so the address would either be ip4:port,ip6:port or handle two different tagged fields. |
| 23:04.32 | JeffM | that'd be cool, cus my horrible abbuse of the list server techincaly supports IPV6 :) |
| 23:04.32 | TimRiker | looked at the roadmap briefly, before one of my meetings. |
| 23:05.02 | blast007 | JeffM: that changes looks kinda funky where it checks for the proto string |
| 23:05.15 | blast007 | change* |
| 23:05.23 | JeffM | yeah I know I just did a spot check to be shure there were some numbers and letters |
| 23:05.39 | JeffM | nothing techincaly prevents it form being any 8 character string |
| 23:05.57 | JeffM | probalby can just remove that and let any 8 char string thru |
| 23:06.18 | JeffM | unless we want to keep it 4letters+4numbers for readablility |
| 23:06.26 | TimRiker | which change is this? 2.4.1 svn? |
| 23:06.33 | JeffM | it's for list server php |
| 23:06.37 | JeffM | so it's not tied to a version |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM | just allows protos other then BZFSXXXX for forks |
| 23:06.59 | TimRiker | it's in svn on a different path, right? |
| 23:07.15 | JeffM | and checks publickeys if they are sent even if the version dosn't need it |
| 23:07.20 | blast007 | /trunk/db/, yeah |
| 23:07.21 | JeffM | it's in svn in the db project |
| 23:07.34 | JeffM | it hasn't been applied to the live list yet |
| 23:07.39 | TimRiker | if we're going to change it, we should use more http like structures when possible. |
| 23:07.44 | TimRiker | k |
| 23:07.54 | JeffM | this was just a quick mod for a test I'm working on |
| 23:09.13 | TimRiker | ah. I thought you changed what the 2.4.x clients expected, hence the question about the tag. |
| 23:09.29 | JeffM | oh no no |
| 23:09.40 | JeffM | just what the list accepts from servers |
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| 23:12.04 | TimRiker | what's the "|| $serverKey" for? |
| 23:13.11 | TimRiker | ah. already set from the request. i c |
| 23:18.28 | TimRiker | oh, only the name entry has :port on it. I'd probably leave it that way. dual stack servers would be expected to have one dns name that's both 4 and 6 on the same port. |
| 23:19.59 | TimRiker | potentially they could have zero through n ipv4 addresss and/or zero though n ipv6 addresses. |
| 23:20.37 | blast007 | if we ever support IPv6, we should adjust the list format to support multiple addresses per server |
| 23:20.47 | blast007 | we don't require that servers use a DNS name |
| 23:21.05 | blast007 | so if they were dual-stack, we'd want to support them showing both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 23:21.24 | TimRiker | blast007, yes. just what I was saying. the dns name is a convenience, not a requirement. from what I recall the client just uses the ip anyway. |
| 23:22.36 | TimRiker | ~nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
| 23:22.53 | TimRiker | hehe. the bot does not handle it, but that box has an ipv6 address too. |
| 23:22.57 | blast007 | well, we do a DNS lookup |
| 23:23.11 | RAThomas | regarding the bzflag.spec file for rpmbuild: |
| 23:23.17 | blast007 | cuz the "server" field on the join menu gets populated with the DNS name, not the IP |
| 23:23.24 | RAThomas | need to add "License:" tage |
| 23:23.27 | RAThomas | *tag |
| 23:23.37 | RAThomas | need to remove "copyright:" tag |
| 23:24.04 | blast007 | RAThomas: is there some docs on that? or can you submit a patch to the patch tracker? |
| 23:24.17 | TimRiker | blast007, yes, but the ip is also sent down to the client. it should still connect if dns for a server is broken. unless you override it you need dns to get to the list server. |
| 23:24.55 | blast007 | TimRiker: yeah, but the client ignores the IP column in the list data |
| 23:24.58 | RAThomas | doing rpmbuild now, so not sure if there's anything else yet. Will submit to the tracker when I know |
| 23:25.14 | blast007 | RAThomas: okay, cool |
| 23:25.20 | TimRiker | RAThomas, last I checked, some rpm based distros want license: and others want copyright: so neither works on all of them. |
| 23:26.04 | RAThomas | but those first 2 items prevented rpmbuild from processing the .spec file, so I'm guessing that there is some enforcement from upstream now |
| 23:26.39 | JeffM_ | TimRiker, the server key is so we know who owns what server |
| 23:26.56 | TimRiker | RAThomas, as I stated, it's different on different rpm distros. if you "fix" it for yours, you will be "breaking" it for others. |
| 23:27.17 | JeffM_ | one of the other list modes shows the bzbb owner name for the server |
| 23:27.21 | TimRiker | JeffM_, yep. read more in the source and saw that. |
| 23:27.33 | TimRiker | I use the json version to see that. |
| 23:27.40 | JeffM_ | it's been quite handy |
| 23:27.43 | RAThomas | this is rpmbuild version 4.8.1. I'll check to see if there are conflicting versions |
| 23:28.09 | TimRiker | but the client does not use that still, correct? even new clients still use the text format. |
| 23:28.30 | JeffM_ | yes |
| 23:28.35 | JeffM_ | baby steps |
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| 23:29.09 | TimRiker | RAThomas, you need to say "rpmbuild 4.8.1 on distro 'foo'" etc. last I looked the same rpmbuild on different distros wanted different fields. |
| 23:29.18 | JeffM_ | once we get the in game list cleaned up we can change the client to request a better format. |
| 23:29.29 | JeffM_ | but the changes to the in game list needed font stuff we didn't have in 2.4 |
| 23:30.04 | TimRiker | JeffM_, oh, not complaining at all. baby steps of course. just confirming the current state. |
| 23:30.14 | JeffM_ | yup |
| 23:30.52 | TimRiker | well, gotta run. back on later. I'll holler when the debian upload happens. |
| 23:30.57 | JeffM_ | have fun |
| 23:31.04 | TimRiker | keep up the great work everyone! :) |
| 23:31.21 | JeffM_ | now just gotta get the rest of the servers to upgrade |
| 23:31.34 | RAThomas | was gonna be for TimRiker, but... |
| 23:31.53 | JeffM_ | pimpi so Tim is working on getting the debian submited, that should help your choice. |
| 23:31.57 | RAThomas | apparently copyright: tag was deprecated in about 2000 and removed from about 2005 |
| 23:32.08 | RAThomas | License: tag replaces it |
| 23:32.12 | blast007 | RAThomas: sounds about right :) |
| 23:32.20 | blast007 | that file hasn't been touched since 2005 |
| 23:34.40 | RAThomas | Does some automation update the current "copyright:" tag or is changing the bzflag.spec file sufficient? |
| 23:34.55 | RAThomas | (it has a current date in it) |
| 23:35.43 | blast007 | the bzflag.spec file isn't in our code |
| 23:35.48 | blast007 | bzflag.spec.in is |
| 23:35.53 | RAThomas | ah! |
| 23:35.55 | blast007 | that file has some placeholders |
| 23:36.20 | blast007 | not sure what part of our process creates the bzflag.spec file. probably configure. |
| 23:36.42 | RAThomas | so the answer is "yes" to "some automation". I'll at configure |
| 23:36.51 | RAThomas | *I'll look |
| 23:37.01 | blast007 | yes, some automation |
| 23:37.44 | blast007 | RAThomas: looks like the only thing that gets changed is the version line |
| 23:37.55 | RAThomas | hrmm |
| 23:38.01 | blast007 | we update the copyright year manually |
| 23:38.41 | RAThomas | OK. Got some errors on the rpmbuild that I need to look into also. |
| 23:38.56 | RAThomas | might be innocuous |
| 23:38.57 | blast007 | I don't think we need --enable-robots either |
| 23:39.09 | RAThomas | OK, I'll note that |
| 23:40.20 | blast007 | also don't know if the --host thing should be there, but I am not familiar with building RPMs (or with building special ways on linux in general). I'd think that would force it to be a 32-bit build even on a 64-bit system? |
| 23:40.29 | blast007 | 64-bit install of linux* |
| 23:41.47 | RAThomas | might actually be the safe way to go anyway... or has anyone tested a 64 bit build? |
| 23:42.01 | blast007 | the 64-bit versions actually work better ;) |
| 23:42.12 | blast007 | they don't get stuck in teleporters that sit on mesh objects |
| 23:42.15 | blast007 | 32-bit does |
| 23:43.01 | RAThomas | Hrmm. I installed Fed 14- 64 first, had problems with flash player or something. Dropped back to 32 |
| 23:43.13 | RAThomas | so I don't knwo |
| 23:43.15 | blast007 | yeah, flash can be fun |
| 23:43.29 | blast007 | for flash, I think you have to install a 32-bit build of your browser ;) |
| 23:43.33 | RAThomas | needs me some YouTube ;) |
| 23:43.40 | blast007 | they they *might* have a 64-bit version now |
| 23:44.03 | RAThomas | yeah, they have a beta. More of an alpha ;) |
| 23:46.17 | blast007 | heh, guess they don't even call it an alpha. it's a "preview" ;) |
| 23:47.30 | RAThomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.33 | RAThomas | anyway: |
| 23:47.36 | RAThomas | RPM build errors: |
| 23:47.38 | RAThomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.39 | RAThomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.04 | RAThomas | those seem to be the only errors |
| 23:48.29 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:48.50 | RAThomas | checking into it... |
| 23:53.26 | RAThomas | well, the ./autogen.sh, ./configure, ./make cycle on 2.4 source *did* install man pages, so I guess the rpm is expected to do so too |
| 23:53.44 | RAThomas | still checking into it... |
| 23:57.16 | RAThomas | dang it. should have set up a vm for this |
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