| 00:24.25 | mdskpr_ | randomparticle: any way to save log chat msgs with bzadmin? |
| 00:25.03 | randomparticle | the original version? |
| 00:25.09 | mdskpr_ | yes |
| 00:25.14 | randomparticle | what OS? |
| 00:25.20 | mdskpr_ | linux |
| 00:25.22 | mdskpr_ | *nix |
| 00:25.48 | randomparticle | yeah, should be possible. if all else fails, you could pipe the output to a file, maybe using 'tee' |
| 00:26.09 | randomparticle | but there might be an option. let me check |
| 00:26.14 | mdskpr_ | there isnt |
| 00:26.40 | mdskpr_ | i tried: bzadmin -ui stdout > testfile, but that just stalled it |
| 00:28.05 | randomparticle | this works for me: |
| 00:28.17 | randomparticle | bzadmin | tee /tmp/bz.log |
| 00:29.05 | mdskpr_ | ok thanks : ) |
| 00:29.11 | randomparticle | you're welcome |
| 00:30.57 | blast007 | mdskpr_: why are you wanting to save logs via bzadmin? |
| 00:31.45 | mdskpr_ | an IP -> player logger that keeps track of aliases etc. |
| 00:32.01 | blast007 | write a plugin. |
| 00:32.10 | blast007 | bzadmin is not a good thing to run all the time |
| 00:32.34 | blast007 | it sucks up more CPU than bzfs, and when bzfs crashes it throws bzadmin into an infinite loop that eats your CPU completely ;) |
| 00:33.01 | mdskpr_ | oooh ok, ill make a plugin |
| 00:33.19 | blast007 | there's already one that exists that I use |
| 00:33.22 | blast007 | let me check on the license |
| 00:33.54 | mdskpr_ | yeah allejo said there was one called ipmap |
| 00:34.28 | randomparticle | my version of bzadmin uses 20 times less CPU than the original :D |
| 00:34.43 | randomparticle | it's probably still too much |
| 00:35.25 | randomparticle | need to get it under 0.5% CPU usage consistently |
| 00:36.43 | blast007 | add lots of calls to sleep() ! |
| 00:37.53 | randomparticle | activity monitor: http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1tFEJeZkyIevWPRugHzXQxBNLlzmgD0 |
| 00:38.24 | mdskpr_ | nice : ) |
| 00:39.56 | randomparticle | this is without compiler optimizations enabled |
| 00:40.51 | randomparticle | i think the author of the original bzadmin must have had energy company stocks or something |
| 00:40.53 | blast007 | mdskpr_: http://static.bzexcess.com/ipmap.cpp ( < jcp> it's released under the lgpl in case I don't have it in there anywhere ) |
| 00:41.08 | blast007 | it's a 2.0.x plugin, FYI |
| 00:41.12 | blast007 | didn't upgrade it yet |
| 00:41.17 | mdskpr_ | ok ill do that |
| 00:41.22 | mdskpr_ | and send it back if you want it |
| 00:41.30 | blast007 | also, it doesn't support quotes around names - so just leave quotes off if you are putting someone's name in with spaces |
| 00:41.36 | blast007 | as in, /ipmap some name with spaces |
| 00:41.51 | mdskpr_ | ok |
| 00:42.20 | mdskpr_ | does it write to a file? |
| 00:42.28 | blast007 | no, it just keeps it in RAM |
| 00:42.35 | blast007 | up to whatever values you pass in |
| 00:42.51 | blast007 | it takes two numbers - one is for IPs, and one is for callsigns |
| 00:42.57 | blast007 | I do 800 each |
| 00:44.11 | blast007 | if I rewrote it, I'd probably just make it talk to a web service and have that web server do all the hard work and tracking :) |
| 00:44.26 | mdskpr_ | that is what im planning on doing |
| 00:44.32 | mdskpr_ | creating an IP+player db |
| 00:44.40 | blast007 | probably easier to just start from scratch then |
| 00:58.58 | blast007 | JeffM: well, I have a really rough looking beta page that pulls the current list of files from a database :) |
| 00:59.19 | JeffM | how do they get into the database? |
| 00:59.33 | blast007 | it'd be via an upload form |
| 00:59.55 | blast007 | haven't got that part done yet |
| 01:00.39 | JeffM | k |
| 01:00.51 | blast007 | and I'd probably have a directory browser in the event that a file was uploaded by, say, SFTP |
| 01:01.30 | blast007 | http://porteighty.org/beta/ it's reeeeaaaall fancy like |
| 01:03.08 | blast007 | hmm, and I should probably make it support multiple projects in case we'd want to do builds of other stuff like bzworkbench |
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| 01:25.37 | randomparticle | player position updates are sent to bzadmin? |
| 01:30.46 | blast007 | randomparticle: yeah, at least in everything besides 2.99.x |
| 01:30.56 | randomparticle | is that a good idea? |
| 01:31.05 | blast007 | I think 2.99.x had a way to tell bzfs to not send unnecessary messages |
| 01:31.28 | blast007 | good idea? bzadmin was a cheap hack to make a text based client. bzadmin itself is poorly written. ;) |
| 01:31.54 | randomparticle | what i'm thinking is, what are the implications running it over 3G? |
| 01:31.58 | randomparticle | how much data usage |
| 01:32.12 | blast007 | the same as sitting in observer in the BZFlag client |
| 01:32.16 | randomparticle | probably not a huge amount |
| 01:33.35 | delusional | blast.. what is the fix if you get strange/missing textures with 2.4? that guy on the hackintosh said his textures are messed up |
| 01:34.34 | blast007 | delusional: well, first, he should make sure he hasn't 'make install'd a copy of BZFlag. If he has, he should delete the data files from /usr/local/share/bzflag/ |
| 01:34.50 | delusional | and dont set -directory |
| 01:34.52 | delusional | ? |
| 01:34.57 | blast007 | if that's not the case, then he should not use -directory and he should delete the 'set directory' line from his config |
| 01:39.09 | blast007 | delusional: and if the're not building a .app, they should run via 'src/bzfs/bzfs' at the root of the source |
| 01:39.21 | delusional | he has done make install |
| 01:39.23 | blast007 | that will make it find the local data files correctly, assuming the above two things are okay |
| 01:39.35 | blast007 | have him delete /usr/local/share/bzflag/ |
| 01:39.38 | blast007 | that's the data files |
| 01:39.47 | delusional | yep |
| 01:39.48 | blast007 | (or at least, it should be something like that) |
| 01:40.29 | randomparticle | what's that computer game that, when you die, that's it, you can't ever play it again? |
| 01:41.38 | blast007 | the game of life? |
| 01:41.46 | delusional | RealLiffe 1.0 |
| 01:45.30 | randomparticle | found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MbCcD-z3ZY |
| 01:58.29 | blast007 | seems like you can redownload the game to play it again, and you can earn extra lives in the game credits |
| 02:26.45 | blast007 | JeffM: how would we make the geometry BZDB variable not be persistent? |
| 02:27.35 | blast007 | throw it in defaultBZDB.cxx with persistent set to false? |
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| 02:32.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:32.29 | JeffM | I think |
| 02:42.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22027 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: Do not store the window geometry setting in the configuration. The geometry-spec is always required when calling -window, and storing it makes full-screen get messed up. |
| 02:43.55 | blast007 | thinks that BZFlag 2.4 screenshots should go into the My Pictures folder |
| 02:44.11 | JeffM | we'll do that later |
| 02:44.13 | blast007 | should that wait for 2.4.2? |
| 02:44.14 | blast007 | k |
| 02:44.15 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:44.19 | JeffM | NO NEW FEATUERS |
| 03:06.40 | blast007 | and I think I have a config upgrade done, though I'll have to test it tomorrow |
| 03:10.09 | blast007 | and there does seem to be a regression with the 'o' menu - it sticks on the 'kick' option when scrolling up through options as a normal user |
| 03:10.20 | blast007 | I don't think kick should even show up on there for normal users |
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| 05:21.17 | jcp|other | wow |
| 05:21.21 | jcp|other | didn't know ipmap was still in use |
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| 06:32.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r22028 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ServerCommandKey.cxx ServerCommandKey.h): |
| 06:32.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: There are now only 6 non-admin servercommand options. |
| 06:32.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Change three(!) different constants from 8 to 6 to match so the menu items will cycle correctly. |
| 06:36.50 | BulletCatcher | "Kick" and other admin options no longer show up for non-admin players on the 'o' menu. |
| 07:08.25 | Pimpinella | uhm, no new features? |
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| 12:16.42 | blast007 | Pimpinella: yeah, no new features until release. |
| 12:17.04 | blast007 | jcp|other: yeah, I haven't replaced it with something else yet ;) |
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| 12:57.28 | Pimpinella | blast007: that was more a comment on BulletCatcher's last commit ;) |
| 12:57.43 | blast007 | yeah, which wasn't a new feature, it was a bug fix |
| 12:57.50 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 12:58.34 | Pimpinella | no idea how it should be, i never use o menu |
| 12:58.59 | blast007 | in 2.3, it was getting stuck at 'kick' when scrolling up through the items |
| 12:59.09 | blast007 | in 2.0.x, it didn't show kick for normal players |
| 12:59.51 | blast007 | we had removed some commands since local auth was pulled, so that probably screwed something up with the 'o' menu |
| 13:01.32 | Pimpinella | is userdb still needed? |
| 13:02.19 | Pimpinella | for local groups probably |
| 13:02.50 | blast007 | userdb still exist, yeah |
| 13:03.02 | blast007 | though is still tied to names, not bzids, afaik |
| 13:03.30 | mdskpr_ | ^truth |
| 13:04.22 | Pimpinella | i know it exists, but do we still need it |
| 13:05.24 | mdskpr_ | jeff said to keep it but to tie it to bzids instead of names |
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| 13:18.15 | Thumper_ | Pimpinella: yes, I still use it to remove the HIDE permission on my callsign |
| 13:18.28 | Thumper_ | since I own the group that provides the HIDE permission I can't remove it any other way |
| 13:19.53 | blast007 | Thumper_: that's something I want to fix once we have a proper group management system :) |
| 13:20.00 | Thumper_ | good :) |
| 13:20.20 | blast007 | technically I think we could even do it with phpBB, but it would affect all the groups or none of them |
| 13:21.39 | blast007 | ah, no, they do have it per-group |
| 13:21.55 | blast007 | but I'd still rather have it done outside of phpBB ;) |
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| 13:43.37 | Pimpinella | Thumper_: do you mean hideadmin or is hide a custom perm? |
| 13:44.04 | Thumper_ | Pimpinella: yes I mean that |
| 13:44.42 | Thumper_ | I didn't see the point in setting up a global group with !HIDEADMIN just for me |
| 13:44.43 | Pimpinella | you can make a separate group providing !hideadmin |
| 13:44.46 | Thumper_ | but I guess that would work too |
| 13:44.52 | Pimpinella | ah, ok |
| 13:45.26 | Pimpinella | yes, i also see sense in having userdb for local groups |
| 14:00.54 | blast007 | I use plugins instead of local groups ;) |
| 14:01.55 | blast007 | I have one that gives a specific BZID extra permissions |
| 14:02.24 | blast007 | I use that for when I host someone's map - give them a little extra power on just their map |
| 14:03.33 | blast007 | and really... our groupdb isn't really a groupdb.. it's more of a permissiondb, and the userdb is really a localgroupdb :) |
| 14:06.26 | Pimpinella | it used to be a groupdb (besides being a permissiondb) |
| 14:07.28 | Pimpinella | and it seems userdb was probably originally going to be a userpermissiondb |
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| 15:25.57 | JeffM | so blast007 you are going to have the config update later today? |
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| 16:27.28 | Thumper_ | zoned tanks can sit on top of teleporters? Never noticed that before |
| 16:27.45 | Thumper_ | (this was on 2.0.x) |
| 16:42.18 | Pimpinella | now that i look the o menu again i might have banned one or two players innocently for trying /password over the years |
| 16:43.05 | Pimpinella | besides using it by error they might have just tried what it makes |
| 16:43.33 | Pimpinella | i wonder if removing password from that menu would make sense |
| 16:46.14 | Pimpinella | it's barely ever used today (well i at least hope so for public servers), whoever would use it should be clearly capable of typing it directly and havong just 5 instead of 6 options would even make o menu quicker for the vast majority of it's users |
| 16:48.18 | JeffM | we can probably remove /password for 2.6 and make it an optional plugin. We do have the server key now so we know that the owner has a bzdb account |
| 16:48.39 | DTRemenak | is your password actually so weak you have to be concerned about people guessing it? |
| 16:48.40 | JeffM | we could automaticly admin the user if they auth with the same account that is tied to the key |
| 16:49.08 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: i don't use a server password at all ;) |
| 16:49.12 | DTRemenak | does not see the point in banning for trying /password |
| 16:51.20 | Pimpinella | if it's an attempt to get admin access it is clearly a reason for me |
| 16:51.53 | Pimpinella | and i've seen at least one brute force attempt over the years ;) |
| 16:53.02 | DTRemenak | brute force on /password is impractical for bzfs (assuming a decent password, or none at all) |
| 16:54.18 | Pimpinella | it wasn't successful, but it was tried |
| 16:54.43 | Pimpinella | which alone is well worth a lifetime ban for me |
| 16:54.57 | DTRemenak | sure, that seems reasonable |
| 16:55.19 | DTRemenak | just like one attempt to log in as root on ssh is no big deal, but trying to brute force gets you firewalled :) |
| 16:57.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM: automatic admin is often undesirable. probably would want to tie it to a /MakeMeAnOperator command or something. |
| 16:58.04 | JeffM | I'd be cool with that |
| 16:58.10 | JeffM | /op |
| 16:58.35 | JeffM | we just don't need another authentication method for those servers, we KNOW on our end who the owner is |
| 16:58.36 | DTRemenak | and moving password to a plugin makes lan game setup more difficult (setting up plugins is not exactly entry-level) |
| 16:58.50 | JeffM | do lan games use /password? |
| 16:58.57 | JeffM | I'd like real stats for that |
| 16:59.06 | DTRemenak | good luck getting stats for lan games period |
| 16:59.09 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:59.28 | DTRemenak | I know anecdotally that some certainly used to |
| 16:59.50 | DTRemenak | and it's common for other games for whoever's running it to have an rcon password set |
| 16:59.57 | DTRemenak | which is pretty much the same |
| 17:00.15 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:01.13 | DTRemenak | I don't have a problem with removing it from the o list |
| 17:01.32 | JeffM | not today tho, we have to ship this sucker |
| 17:01.36 | DTRemenak | most players should never need it, and most servers should not allow it :) |
| 17:01.44 | JeffM | wants to beat nancy to a release |
| 17:01.47 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 17:03.27 | DTRemenak | we don't have to press dvds, so I'm pretty sure that's not a fair contest ;) |
| 17:03.30 | JeffM | I think we can release tomorow if the config upgrade gets in today and there are no other showstopers |
| 17:03.42 | JeffM | true, but her dev team wasn't nearing death |
| 17:04.06 | JeffM | I think we need to set a deadline and release, even if we don't have a mac build |
| 17:04.42 | DTRemenak | I was gonna say that her dev team also didn't have a development branch with a ton of work already done on it to backport from...but it did :| |
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| 17:04.51 | JeffM | heh |
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| 17:10.19 | Pimpinella | hmpf. building everything new just because i forgot to configure with --prefix |
| 17:10.22 | Pimpinella | sux |
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| 19:32.07 | jcp | blast007: Oh wow |
| 19:32.11 | jcp | 's not gonna complain |
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| 20:10.10 | JeffM | does anyone understand the reported "rabbit bug"? |
| 20:11.31 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah, should have the config update |
| 20:11.40 | JeffM | k |
| 20:11.42 | blast007 | I know it *compiled* correctly, but I haven't actually tried it out ;) |
| 20:11.57 | JeffM | cus I think that and maybe something for the rabbit thing and we can release |
| 20:13.29 | blast007 | JeffM: and for LAN games, most of them ONLY use /password for granting admin rights |
| 20:13.30 | JeffM | and the tosh package will be late like always |
| 20:13.54 | blast007 | (they're not gonna set up a global auth system just for a LAN game, generally) |
| 20:14.07 | blast007 | that one guy was an exception :) |
| 20:14.35 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:14.45 | JeffM | I still like the idea of /op |
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| 20:30.31 | blast007 | JeffM: I'd like a /mode +q before that ;) |
| 20:30.38 | blast007 | (build IPMute into the server) |
| 20:31.05 | blast007 | also, is someone looking into the rabbit chase issue with rabbit selection? |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM | yeah that we can do in a point release |
| 20:31.49 | blast007 | ok |
| 20:31.51 | JeffM | I have not seen anyone say they have, this is why I ask about it |
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| 20:33.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7786 10/w/Development_RoadMap: |
| 20:35.51 | JeffM | who did the rabbit as team change? |
| 20:35.58 | JeffM | and wasn't that done very late in the game? |
| 20:36.12 | JeffM | pun totaly intended |
| 20:49.36 | Pimpinella | is there any encryption stuff needed for publickey? |
| 20:53.24 | JeffM | no |
| 20:53.27 | JeffM | it is not that kind of key |
| 20:53.37 | JeffM | it is more like a token |
| 20:53.57 | JeffM | or a key to a door, like a password |
| 20:56.05 | Pimpinella | i was just surprised that ldd lists a lot of libs like sasl, keyutils, tsl, lib5crypto and such |
| 20:56.25 | JeffM | thats probably because you are using the libcurl from your sysem |
| 20:56.30 | JeffM | and it will use that for SSL |
| 20:56.37 | Pimpinella | ah, that explains |
| 20:57.08 | Pimpinella | because it's not listed for my server build which uses all buildin |
| 20:57.25 | JeffM | yeah that's the danger of using system libs instead of our sources |
| 21:04.06 | McSpider | looking in playing.cxx:2516 RogueTeam needs to be changed to HunterTeam |
| 21:08.31 | McSpider | also bzfs.cxx:711 should probably include case HunterTeam: |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM | can you make the fix, test it and submit a patch? |
| 21:16.48 | McSpider | yeah It didn't fix the issue completely |
| 21:17.11 | McSpider | I'm still testing/looking though |
| 21:17.12 | JeffM | maybe there are moreplaces |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM | ok thanks |
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| 21:53.29 | TD-Linux | JeffM: how is that a danger? |
| 21:53.38 | TD-Linux | more like a convenience :P |
| 21:54.20 | JeffM | you get stuff you may not bargan for, specialy if you are making a distrobution and may not add links to those things |
| 21:54.34 | JeffM | it's convient just for the builder, not for anyone else she gives bins to |
| 21:55.53 | JeffM | maybe not danger, but something to be aware of |
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| 22:15.20 | blast007 | JeffM: do we only support upgrading from the last major version? |
| 22:16.08 | JeffM | yep |
| 22:23.30 | McSpider | Can't find anything else that should be HunterTeam, but it still doesn't work properly. |
| 22:35.21 | blast007 | neat, I think the upgrade worked out good :) |
| 22:36.03 | blast007 | at least for Windows. Doesn't look like Linux/OSX will find the old config file |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM | yeah I didn't update that code |
| 22:37.36 | JeffM | didn't know what was right |
| 22:37.43 | JeffM | and windows is majority cilent anyway |
| 22:38.40 | blast007 | probably just needs a "2.0" passed into getConfigDirName for non-Windows |
| 22:39.05 | blast007 | currently it's passing nothing (which passes a NULL), so it will just look at ~/.bzf/config |
| 22:39.08 | blast007 | on linux |
| 23:33.39 | blast007 | Are these functionally equivalent? |
| 23:33.39 | blast007 | std::string motto = BZDB.isSet("motto") ? BZDB.get("motto") : ""; |
| 23:33.40 | blast007 | std::string motto = BZDB.get("motto"); |
| 23:37.46 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:37.56 | JeffM | I belive get checks for existance |
| 23:38.43 | blast007 | yeah, does look it it returns a blank std::string if it doesn't exist |
| 23:50.50 | McSpider | btw, I'm not quite sure if its exactly the same but 2.0.17 has the same rabbit hunt bugs |
| 23:51.05 | JeffM | oh really |
| 23:51.08 | JeffM | then SHIP IT |
| 23:51.38 | McSpider | those two I posted above should be fixed though |
| 23:51.49 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:51.58 | JeffM | yeah we can apply that patch and then go from there |
| 23:52.31 | McSpider | one thing I noticed is that in the server list no players are listed when its a rabbit hunt game |
| 23:52.51 | JeffM | bet the list hit wasn't updated to count that team |
| 23:53.24 | McSpider | something was done, but it doesn't seem to work correclty |
| 23:53.49 | blast007 | we should probably just store the total player count under the rogue slot |
| 23:54.13 | blast007 | since I don't think we expanded the team info to have rabbit/hunter slots |
| 23:55.04 | blast007 | maybe for 2.6 we'll just do away with that big hex string and instead transfer it as JSON or some other format that is a bit more.. verbose and flexible :) |
| 23:55.06 | McSpider | nope it just stuffs it into rogueCount |
| 23:55.34 | blast007 | k |
| 23:55.44 | blast007 | if it's not advertising it right, we can fix that later |
| 23:57.05 | McSpider | its not advertising it at all, the list sees the server as empty even with players |
| 23:57.14 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r22029 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Upgrade the 2.0.x configuration file to 2.4.x on Windows. Still needs tweaking for *nix and OSX. |
| 23:57.49 | McSpider | found out how to fix it, in respondToPing() |
| 23:59.00 | blast007 | the bug exists in 2.0.x as well? |
| 23:59.18 | McSpider | the server player count bug, no |