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00:20.34JeffMyeah I think I know what's causing it
00:20.44JeffMbad assuption on my part
00:20.59JeffMI can make a change but I have to finish some other stuff in the API first
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02:09.02CIA-103BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21827 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
02:09.03CIA-103BZFlag: cleanups to sending and receiving data from net connected peers
02:09.03CIA-103BZFlag: make url manager in the API a little more simple and support timeouts ( does not use CURLmanager)
02:09.03CIA-103BZFlag: fixes to support weblogin in http plug-ins
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04:44.21CIA-103BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21828 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: The boolean constant named "false" is case-sensitive.
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13:57.43CIA-103BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21829 10/trunk/bzflag/ (114 files in 10 dirs): The file containing the distribution license is named COPYING, not LICENSE.
13:57.52CIA-103BZFlag: 03trepan * r21830 10/branches/experimental/v2_99continuing/bzflag/other_src/astyle/ (29 files in 6 dirs): * added clean astyle-2.0.2 sources (+premake4.lua)
13:59.06CIA-103BZFlag: 03trepan * r21831 10/branches/experimental/v2_99continuing/bzflag/other_src/astyle/src/ASResource.cpp: * have astyle indent <foreach> as is does <for>
14:01.35CIA-103BZFlag: 03trepan * r21832 10/branches/experimental/v2_99continuing/bzflag/misc/indent.sh: * updated indent.sh to use the customized astyle-bzflag executable
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14:28.55CIA-103BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21833 10/trunk/bzflag/ (37 files in 9 dirs):
14:28.55CIA-103BZFlag: Use standard whitespace in copyright notice at the top of the file.
14:28.55CIA-103BZFlag: Spell "merchantability" correctly.
14:29.40kierramerchantibility
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14:29.45kierra?
14:29.56CIA-103BZFlag: 03trepan * r21834 10/branches/experimental/v2_99continuing/bzflag/src/include/ (foreach.h tmp_test_foreach.cpp):
14:29.56CIA-103BZFlag: * changed from:
14:29.56CIA-103BZFlag:  <foreach (iterator, container)>
14:29.56CIA-103BZFlag:  to
14:29.56CIA-103BZFlag:  <foreach (value_type& var, container)>
14:29.57CIA-103BZFlag:  (the iterator can still be accessed using var_ITER)
14:30.29BulletCatchermerchantability, as in the commit message, is correct, kierra
14:30.29trepanweird little for loop scoping trick i picked up from boost  :)
14:30.44kierrai was guessing
14:30.47kierraty bc
14:31.04BulletCatcherSomeone else, guessed, too. :-)
14:31.11blast007hehe
14:31.42kierrasounds like a made up word anyway
14:31.49BulletCatcherJeffM is the usual suspect for all spelling errors.
14:32.01kierra:x
14:32.41CIA-103BZFlag: 03trepan * r21835 10/branches/experimental/v2_99continuing/bzflag/src/include/foreach.h: * indent the dummy for loop for clarity
14:36.22BulletCatcherThe 1987 Random House unabridged dictionary, which is the official dictionary of the Catcher household, includes merchantable (and merchantableness), but not merchantability.
14:36.25BulletCatcherIt is a reasonable extension of the word, however.
14:38.07trepanFrom WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:  merchantability:  n 1: the state of being fit for market; ready to be bought or sold
14:40.23blast007BulletCatcher: I bet 'lol' also isn't in there.
14:40.31blast007;)
14:41.11kierra:)
14:42.01BulletCatcherNot as of 1987.
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14:43.57blast007"byte   v. What a robot tell you to do when referring to his shiny metal behind"
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15:05.43CIA-103BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21836 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: Remove "Id" keyword relic from CVS.
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17:22.45BulletCatcherWith one week to go on 2.3, the only regression I am aware of is that the /playerlist command isn't showing callsigns.
17:22.47BulletCatcherI suspect either a bad pointer or failure to initialize a string, but haven't had a chance to track it down.
17:24.30Constitution~celebrate
17:24.30ibotACTION detonates a small nuclear device to celebrate the end of the world
17:30.46spldartCrap... And I was hoping the world would last long enough for me to watch the sun burn out.
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17:54.26JeffMhow many thinks are left undone?
17:54.31JeffMI know Erroneous had a few
17:55.24JeffMPimpinella, how we doiung with flag pickup?
17:55.43JeffMand do we want to do the GM shot checks?
17:57.06Thumper_JeffM: I think fastmap still crashes the server
17:57.13JeffMk
17:57.22JeffMI can look into it tonight
17:57.45JeffMcool thing is we can pull any of the HTTP plug-ins :)
17:58.37JeffMI'll try to set up a public server at home tonight to get some people to connect to so I can check it out in a debuger
17:59.31BulletCatcherPossibly related to that, the Lasermania map seems to be slightly different every time I join.
17:59.33BulletCatcherThe differences are in the new ricochet object attributes.
18:00.25JeffMwas it set to pack correctly?
18:00.34BulletCatcherI haven't looked.
18:01.07Thumper_I'm not going to get time to do BZFCron - should I just mark it as cancelled?
18:02.06JeffMput delayed
18:02.11Thumper_The docs is the only critical thing left on my list and I'll get those done
18:02.18JeffMit's a plugin so it can ship with 2.4.2
18:02.37JeffMit is not breaking
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18:04.04JeffMI'm making lists for inclusions in 2.4.2 and then "next major" i.e 2.6 or 3.0 depending on what happens
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18:18.31CIA-103BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7701 10/w/Development_RoadMap: Notes on possible future development
18:24.51JeffMjust so we don't forget :)
18:40.26CIA-103BZFlag: 03Thumper 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7702 10/w/Development_RoadMap: Fixup typos and grammar
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18:53.12RatOmeterMy 11 year has just started playing BZ today and already received admin admonishments "no glitching" on A*A Bridge Crossing ;)
19:02.59joevanoRatOmeter: you teach em young ;-)
19:07.05RatOmeterI asked him "you didn't backtalk the admin, did you?"    He said, "no."  I said, "good."
19:07.16RatOmeterdoesn't want his IP banned ;)
19:07.23trepanJeffM: "Make world meshes internally" ?
19:30.48JeffMwhat you did for v3
19:30.52JeffMwhere sim uses meshes
19:31.11JeffMI didn't know how to describe it
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20:15.27JeffManyone got any ideas what we should call 2.4.0 ?
20:18.28trepanJeffM: I'm still confused, what the hell did I do in 3.0 ?   :)
20:18.47JeffMdidn't you make all the geometry ( like teleporters) be meshes
20:18.58JeffMI recall you saying "it's all meshes in 3 anyway"
20:19.15trepanah, ya, all geometry 'can' be meshes, but old boxes, bases, etc... still exist
20:19.30JeffMdidn't you convert them to meshes internaly?
20:19.36JeffMI know they exist in the map file
20:19.44trepani did for teleporters
20:19.49JeffMahh ok
20:19.53JeffMshould we do that for all the geo?
20:20.05trepanit's very easy to do
20:20.07JeffMthen we can get rid of all that old collsion code and just use mesh stuff
20:20.07JeffMok
20:20.13JeffMthen we should do that ;)
20:20.18JeffMthat's what I mean
20:20.25trepanex: bzfs already converts boxes and pyrs to meshes as required  (as you know)
20:20.26JeffMget down to one set of collsion code
20:20.34JeffMyeah I knew it did them sometimes
20:20.39JeffMI think it should do them all times
20:20.57JeffMthen all we have to do is make sim collide with one geometry type
20:21.04trepanbut i'd want to commit my point-in-polyhedron code before really switching it all over
20:21.10JeffMsure
20:21.15JeffMtha'ts why it's in future release
20:21.21trepan(obsoletes inside/outside points -- which are a nuisance)
20:21.26JeffMyeah
20:21.38JeffMnot saying it's done now, but what should be done by the release
20:21.48JeffMor before
20:23.11CIA-103BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7710 10/w/Development_RoadMap: /* 3.0 (Next Major) */ clarify
20:24.04trepanthe other aspect to the all-mesh switchover is how tank rotations are calced vs. mesh faces  (just review my todo list  :)
20:26.03JeffMyeah
20:26.23trepanand the anti-stuck code shouldn't exist
20:26.28trepanit should never be possible
20:26.28JeffMI'
20:26.36JeffMI'll call that part of "new simulation" :)
20:26.43trepanworks for me  :)
20:47.08trepanone note about the development roadmap -- if client-side lua is available and working properly, it changes the whole story
20:47.29CIA-103BZFlag: 03Bryjen 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7711 10/w/Development_RoadMap: spelling correction
20:47.42trepanex: the "Graphics Upgrades" listed for 4.0 can be done the day after 3.0 is out
20:49.20JeffMlots of things CAN be done :)
20:49.50JeffMI'd rather spend the time working on getting the rest of the game up to modern standards before worrying about graphics
20:50.05JeffMbut yes if that code is ready sooner then it'll be pushed up to a sooner release
20:50.15trepanthat too, can be done the day after 3.0 is out  :)
20:50.31JeffMif it is then it is
20:50.40JeffMwe'll see
20:51.06JeffMI expect the map to be fluid as we find out what we can and can not do for releases
20:51.13JeffMup untill now we haven't been able to release anything
20:51.37trepanhas already shown that graphics can be updated to "modern" standards with just a LuaWorld script
20:51.55trepanand the networking hooks are there to replace the sim
20:52.42JeffMok
20:52.49JeffMthen it should not be too hard
20:53.29JeffMassuming we survive the 2.4 release
20:53.42JeffMand everyone gets back onboard with 2.99 as a codebase
20:53.55JeffMif that happens then the 2.6 on that list disapears
20:54.26trepanya, assuming 2.99 can be fixed up  :)
20:54.37JeffMthere are lots of assumptions, but yes
20:54.42JeffMif it can't then we have to see what we can do
20:55.03JeffMthats why 2.6 is there for the case where none of that happens and we still want to move forward
20:56.27JeffMthinks 2.4 should be named Pheonix or Orcus
21:04.43PlasticTankI think you should go with Pheonix
21:05.05PlasticTankSymbol of rebirth?
21:05.40JeffMor something destined to explode :)
21:09.52JeffMtho we do have a plugin named that so that could be confusing
21:10.37PlasticTanktrue
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21:22.52JeffMall projects should have cool themed code names :)
21:24.09JeffMcould name em after mems, "falcon punch" "all your base" "Like a boss"
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22:09.25KTL"we are still here!"
22:10.45JeffMshould be "are you still there" to the players :)
22:11.01JeffMthen 2.4.2 can be "I don't blame you"
22:11.10JeffMand if you don't get the joke, SHAME ON YOU
22:11.45PlasticTankOr take google's approah: name your software after desserts
22:11.51KTL"please come back"
22:11.53PlasticTankaproach*
22:11.53JeffMno thanks
22:12.02JeffMshame on KTL
22:12.05KTL:D
22:12.14JeffMyou haven't played portal?
22:12.21KTLportal 2
22:12.29KTLgladoss
22:12.34JeffM:)
22:13.18trepanJeffM: what MSVC versions would you recommend supporting? (8, 10?)
22:13.28JeffM9
22:13.36JeffM8 is stilly and 10 is buggy
22:13.45JeffM9 is stable
22:14.05trepannothing earlier than 8?  (s/stilly/silly/?)
22:14.07JeffMI'd wait another year before doing 10
22:14.19JeffM7 and 7.1 don't even run on windows 7
22:14.20trepanso basically, 9 and 9 only?
22:14.24JeffMyup
22:14.32JeffMthere is a free version of 9 so go for it
22:14.42trepancool, still need DTRemenak to help me get a working MSVC typeof()
22:15.41trepan(possibly by precompiling the boost header files with MSVC9)
22:16.31JeffMif you are going to use boost just use boost
22:16.42trepanna, that's a heavy requirement
22:16.47trepanboost is a pig
22:17.24trepancan probably prune the typeof() code down to a couple of hundred lines
22:17.37trepanto bring in the headers required for typeof.hpp alone takes 6M
22:17.40JeffMall this for a foreach loop?
22:17.44trepanyup  :)
22:18.01JeffMI thought you didn't have a lot of time :)
22:18.03trepana safe foreach loop
22:18.23trepanpicks his battle in strange ways, this foreach isn't just for BZ
22:18.34JeffMfun
22:19.09trepanfun: causing pleasure or amusement  --  not quite
22:19.20JeffMthen why else do it :)
22:19.37trepanthe foreach part, because I can use it elsewhere
22:19.54KTLwonders what weirdo version name is going to be used
22:20.15JeffM"STEVE!"
22:20.25trepan"Beavers and Ducks!"
22:20.41KTLis ok with the ducks
22:20.56JeffMgoose
22:22.28trepanheh, now i remember where I've heard "STEVE!"
22:22.38trepanfunniest part of the movie  :)
22:22.38JeffMGUMMY BEARS!
22:22.50JeffMSteve made that movie
22:29.49JeffMall of our last names have been stupid
22:29.58JeffMstill prefers one word code names
22:41.52CIA-103BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7712 10/w/Development_RoadMap:
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22:50.41CIA-103BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7713 10/w/Development_RoadMap: mention openAL cus it's cool
22:50.50blast007JeffM: 2.4.4 "For science... you monster"
22:50.57JeffM:)
22:51.09JeffMLook we both said things you'll regret
22:51.33JeffMI can come up with names for ALL Of them from portal 2
22:51.39JeffMcombustable lemmons
22:52.34JeffMheck just listen to the fact sphere for a little bit
22:52.38PlasticTankJoy Blimps!
22:52.50JeffMthat sounds ditry
22:56.50PlasticTankWhy not codename the releases by element names?
22:57.04JeffMthats a possiblity
22:57.12blast007Please select your favorite element.
22:57.14JeffMor greek/mythological features
22:57.16blast007Interesting choice!
22:57.20JeffM"Hmm really.. interesting"
22:57.34JeffMplanets are also common
22:57.39JeffMbeing all in the public domain :)
22:59.22PlasticTankjust put the code names in latin then no one will even care :P
23:00.03blast007Space space, wanna go to space, space space space, go to space
23:00.13PlasticTankoh enough portal 2
23:00.15blast007lol
23:00.29JeffMfact.. you will never go to space
23:00.40trepanor tank names; Panzer, Sherman, Stuart, Chaffee, Shinhoto Chi-ha
23:00.42JeffMis the best at space
23:02.01PlasticTankOr do strange colors
23:02.27blast007like blue and orange
23:02.29JeffMthat sounds rather arbitrary
23:02.55JeffMthe tanks are not a bad idea, tho they'd tend to be arbitrary too, we'd have to make a list and just pull them off the list
23:03.19blast007The tank is a lie
23:04.16trepanTiger/Panther : Tiger/Panzer -- might be mistaken for OSX releases  :)
23:04.25JeffMheh
23:04.37blast007only when we're up to version 10
23:04.56trepanthat's about 3 months, in chrome time
23:05.58trepanplans on chuckling a little when chrome 99 is released
23:06.20PlasticTankthey'
23:06.30PlasticTankthey'll just add a letter to the name
23:10.11JeffMwhy would they? what's wrong with v100?
23:10.52PlasticTank"Chrome X"
23:11.22PlasticTankwhy do they always pick "X"
23:11.36trepanbecause it relates to porn
23:14.10JeffMpron drives the internet
23:16.05KTLYeah, take the lemons
23:17.11JeffMdon't take the lemons, demand to see life's manager!
23:20.21KTLArmy of Mantis Men
23:20.38JeffMyou'll know when the test starts
23:23.04KTLbut ... the website doesnt seem to show any version code name at all anymore ...
23:23.40blast007changelog does
23:23.44blast007iirc
23:24.08JeffMwiki does too
23:25.01KTL2.0.14 "This isn't the release you are looking for"
23:25.08JeffMwhat was .16?
23:25.16JeffMshould have been "sonofffa..."
23:25.24KTL"Oops, Happy Mother's Day"
23:25.34KTL"Good enough for now"
23:25.42KTL"Shiny"
23:25.49KTL"Queen of Maybe"
23:25.54JeffMyeah lame names
23:25.55PlasticTank"Looks like new!"
23:25.57KTL"Falcor's Despair"
23:25.58KTLomg
23:26.07KTL"lightning strikes back - list server returns"
23:26.08KTLomg omg
23:26.24JeffMI don't think your god has anything to do with it
23:26.34KTL"the little hop"
23:26.41KTL<PROTECTED>
23:26.50KTL"Break the world"
23:26.57PlasticTank"new car smell!"
23:27.00KTL"Steely Eyed Banana" <- nicee :)
23:27.02blast007yeah, I like that we had to release a new version because of a power surge :P
23:27.28JeffMthat and poor DNS hosting :)
23:27.29KTL"Holy Dancing Monkeys"  <- the best one, describes the game to me :)
23:27.39KTL<PROTECTED>
23:28.30KTLbefore that no more codenames it seems
23:28.53blast007yeah.. don't get why we host our own DNS..
23:29.04JeffMnor.... do.. I
23:29.27blast007DNS hosting is included with pretty much every domain name provider nowadays..
23:29.39JeffMmaybe it didn't work on IE3
23:29.42blast007hehe
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