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03:47.49Thumper_JeffM: one of the trunk servers crashed: http://bzflag.bzflag3.norang.ca/admin-cgi-bin/error_log?server=10000 http://pastebin.com/H9BhKGmX
03:51.15Thumper_first link needs auth, here's the data: http://pastebin.com/Y53y9gF2
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04:07.38JeffMThumper_: what HTTP plugins are you running?
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04:45.15Zacc_how do i set shot limits on flags?
04:49.45McSpider-sl GM 20
04:50.34Zacc_ok thanks
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15:00.28Thumper_JeffM: hi - I'm only loading serverControl and logDetail plugins - so not using any HTTP plugins AFAIK
15:02.03Thumper_hitting the server port from firefox is crashing it
15:02.08Thumper_(and I didn't do that)
15:02.13JeffMThumper_, ok interesting
15:02.18JeffMit's not suposed to get in there
15:02.20Thumper_I just killed 10001
15:02.20JeffMI'll check it out
15:03.10Thumper_if you want any specific plugins loaded for testing I can do that - or you can load them from the client
15:03.25JeffMno no, there are 2 problems
15:03.28CIA-95BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21803 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsHTTPAPI.cxx: don't do HTTP when there ain't no plug-ins
15:03.30JeffMI see one right now
15:03.33JeffMthat will fix your issue
15:03.49JeffMI haven't finished testing session data yet
15:04.04Thumper_ok
15:04.08JeffMI didn't think anyone was getting in there, but I left debug code in :(
15:05.09JeffMand I see the double delete now
15:10.05CIA-95BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21804 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsHTTPAPI.cxx: don't copy session data pointers then delete both copies.
15:10.36JeffMThumper_, after I finish my testing this weekend it may be nice to add fastmap to one or more of your servers
15:10.51Thumper_ok just let me know when and how many you want
15:11.23JeffMwell fastmap is the only one I can think of that you 'd want you have a server management system already so webadmin would be silly
15:11.39Thumper_can still test it :)
15:12.28JeffMtrue
15:12.37JeffMwe'll see if I have it done
15:12.55JeffMgotta finish the template system, then move over the other http plugins
15:22.55Thumper_JeffM: for fastmap do we need any special setup?  Should we have two identical servers, one with fastmap one without so we can try to see if it actually works?
15:23.17JeffMI'll do that level of testing this weekend
15:23.37JeffMwe know the concept works, it was fine on 2.99
15:23.57JeffMbut you can if you want
15:24.02Thumper_ok by works I mean finding out how much better it is with the plugin than without
15:24.39JeffMthat all depends on your lag :)
15:24.43Thumper_:)
15:24.57JeffMold code sent out 1k per lag roundtrip
15:25.09JeffMnew code sends out 1k per server tick
15:25.31Thumper_maybe I can artificially induce lag at my router ;)
15:26.23trepanhas a library for that somewhere
15:33.20trepanbut it's old, and I wouldn't trust it... there are others:  https://github.com/exalead/libinject#readme
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15:34.36JeffMit should be obvious just by using a large map and a remote server
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15:42.32trepanJeffM: it's a nice tool to have, thought about building it into bzfs at one point
15:42.40JeffMtrue
15:42.58trepanheh, iirc, i was going to add a LagFlag some years ago -- ill-conceived  :)
16:07.27BulletCatcherJeffM: gcc reports "warning: deleting 'void*' is undefined" on lines 145, 277, 418, 475, & 1805 of bzfsHTTPAPI.cxx.
16:07.29BulletCatcherI'm not sure whether to just cast them to the appropriate class type for delete, or to declare them more specifically in the first place.
16:21.06JeffMcasting is fine
16:21.24JeffMI'll take care of it
16:21.31BulletCatcherk
16:21.35JeffMI didn't want to put there defs in the header
16:21.47JeffMcus they contain stl they can't be exported on windows
16:21.57JeffMthat's why I had to hide the data in a pimple
16:22.25BulletCatcherhopes it doesn't burst
16:23.37JeffMwishes he didn't have to use em
16:24.16CIA-95BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r21805 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsHTTPAPI.cxx: when deleting hidden data cast it back to it's data type so the compiler can know what to do with it.
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16:24.22JeffMthat should do ya
16:25.07BulletCatcherNo more warnings.  Thanks.
16:25.13JeffMsure
16:25.30JeffMknew I made all those cast macros for a reason :)
16:49.50Pimpinellahmm, a quick hint where i find protocol details, anyone?
16:49.54Pimpinellaforgot it
16:50.41Pimpinellaor isn't there a central place?
16:55.44tupone#brlcad
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16:56.56Pimpinellait was tupone, he's alive ! :)
17:01.07BulletCatcherhttp://my.bzflag.org/w/Network_Protocol
17:10.02Pimpinellathank you BulletCatcher, i knew there was a site :)
17:10.54BulletCatcherI just searched for "protocol" on the wiki to find it.
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17:55.12Pimpinellai thought about making the server pause a player
17:57.36Pimpinellamost of pause logic would stay client side for now, however i thought to make the client asking for pause state, then the server sends the pause command in reaction
17:57.57Pimpinellai mostly want this for match purpose
18:00.02Pimpinellanow the countdown stops and players just have to stay where they are. if we handled pause state server side we could really pause the players when the countdown is paused.
18:00.31Pimpinellaadditionally admins could pause players remotely to get their attention
18:03.08Pimpinellai know time is running short now, so how do you think about it?
18:03.31Pimpinellablast007, JeffM: ^^^
18:04.14BulletCatcherHaving the server pause players when the countdown pauses is a nice idea.
18:04.16BulletCatcherDo you think you can implement it the next 10 days?
18:04.36Pimpinelladunno, probably
18:05.10bradwhat if players are in the air?
18:05.35bradwhat if players *need* to move while paused? (to reposition after rejoining for example)
18:05.56BulletCatcherWe would want them to be able to unpause themselves.
18:06.52Pimpinellabrad: thats why i'd like to have the client pause command logic still client side, making the checks server side would be much more hassle
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18:07.28Pimpinellaand in a match situaton we'd want the tank to pause "in air"
18:07.48Pimpinellainside building with OO might be a problem
18:08.00bradwould it continue with same velocity after unpause?
18:08.04BulletCatcherWe may want a completely different type of pause for matches.
18:08.05BulletCatcherFor example, there is no need to blank the view.
18:08.13bradya
18:08.13Pimpinellabrad: not sure yet
18:08.28Pimpinellahm
18:08.40trepanMsgServerPause -- freeze _everything_ ?
18:08.53Pimpinellayep
18:09.19Pimpinellawould prabably be easier than reusing the existing server code
18:09.47trepanyou probably still have to play around with the DR, etc...
18:09.53trepan*you'll
18:09.57PimpinellaDR?
18:10.09trepandead-reckoning
18:10.14Pimpinellaah, ya
18:11.19Pimpinellabesides that the match pause stuff needs refactoring badly, but that can be done later
18:11.48BulletCatcherOne of my ideas is to play a sound effect (like a boxing bell) when a countdown pauses and resumes.
18:11.49BulletCatcherThat would be much simpler, but less effective than the server pause idea.
18:14.54Pimpinellawell what we have now worked for years...
18:15.09Pimpinella...but a read freeze would be sexy ;)
18:15.35Pimpinellas/read/real/
18:17.54BulletCatcherFreeze-frame and slow-motion controls would be nice for replays, too.
18:27.01trepan<PROTECTED>
18:29.33BulletCatcherSomething like that would work.
18:30.53blast0072.99.x already has a way to limit tank motions
18:31.40blast007though it wouldn't freeze someone in place, it just disables controls, afaik
18:34.16BulletCatcherFor a match-style pause, it might be enough to have clients disable controls and stop sending positional updates.
18:34.19BulletCatcherProbably need to endShot bullets in flight, too.
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18:40.36Pimpinellaprobably too much for 10 days
18:42.29BulletCatcherYou could get it done in half the time if Pimpi helps you, Pimpinella. ;-)
18:43.20blast007lol
18:43.44blast007but yeah, I think it's too invasive for 2.4
18:44.24Pimpinellaunfortunately they share the same brain-keyboard-interface
18:47.32Pimpinellai'll check the original "lets do it with what we have" method
18:47.59Pimpinellaand put it low on TODO if that doesn't work
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20:43.16kierraBulletCatcher: ping
20:44.07kierrawhere is JeffM when i need him!!!!
20:46.09BulletCatcherWhat's up, kierra?
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23:33.00guestWhat is the license on Louman's metropolis if it does not say when he released it on the forums?
23:34.32KTLmaybe ask him through the forum msg-system
23:36.42guesti sent it yesterday, i will give him more time
23:37.55KTLi've never seen that nick on irc, and barely ever in the game, he must use some other callsigns too
23:54.37blast007yeah, give him more than 24 hours :)
23:55.36kierragoes to nag brlcad

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