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13:03.55tsblast007: it looks "confused" to me
13:05.46tsblast007: close servers within my country are randomly mixed for instance
13:07.56tsblast007:  also all servers in my countries have 0km distance; while this is actually true for most of them, it also lists servers in other cities with 0km distance.
13:10.08tsblast007: the list is also a bit misleading as one would want roundtrip time instead of distance
13:10.39tsblast007: for instance it lists japan before west coast of north america
13:11.39tsblast007: I had a couple of different providers in the past, and all, including the current one routed the traffic to japan over north america
13:42.17blast007ts: are you in Germany?  if so, the Geoip database didn't have anything better than "in germany" for those IPs, which is why it doesn't show any city information
13:43.33blast007ts: the distances are not based on internet routes either - it's all based on the geographic location
13:43.58blast007there's no way for me to get the "roundtrip time"  :P
13:44.25blast007unless I want to run a crappy java applet that pings all of the hosts on your end
13:44.34blast007(which I don't want)
13:48.45blast007and I am using the most recent free GeoLite City database
13:48.57blast007not sure if it's a limitation of their database in general, or just with the free one
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14:33.28tsblast007: I'm in DE.
14:34.13blast007yeah, so to be expected
14:35.28tsI know one does not want to ping all servers but there should be a way to specify a route the packets go
14:36.01tsNot that it would be easy, but distance is not what people want to know ;)
14:36.19blast007well distance was the point of the site
14:37.24tsThat was obvious since you stated it geolocation
14:38.30tsWhat I am saying is that people say they want to know the distance but in reality they want a good connection (most important is round trip time)
14:39.13blast007then "they" should finish 3.0 so they get that feature ;)
14:47.34blast007looks like even the commercial licensed version of the GeoIP City database doesn't have city information for Germany (or at least for the IP I'm checking)
15:00.06tsblast007: Even if 3.0 would be finished and really great, it would be a very risky update. Take 7 players in total at certain times of the day and now shuffle them between both versions…
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17:05.38blast007ts: don't see how it would be any more risky than past major updates
17:06.06blast007easy enough for Windows and OSX users to upgrade
17:06.21blast007and most of the popular server owners can easily upgrade
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18:35.01Constitution~seen randomparticle
18:35.08ibotrandomparticle <~randompar@about/essy/snick/randomparticle> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 42d 5h 20m 30s ago, saying: 'looks kinda cool, actually :)'.
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20:34.24Calzaathi nead to know what to type in on note pad for a block that you can go through on th bottom but can sit on on top
20:34.54Calzaathin map makeing i mean
20:35.14blast007it would be a mesh that has a drivethrough face on one side and not the other
20:35.34blast007*might* be able to do it with a meshed box, but I'm not sure.
20:35.52Calzaathcould you tell what to type?
20:36.11blast007yeah.
20:36.13blast007http://wings3d.com/
20:36.18Calzaathok...
20:36.21Calzaathhold on
20:36.23blast007:P
20:36.44blast007generally people do not hand code meshes
20:37.05Calzaathwell
20:37.48Calzaathi dont want meshing, i dont think...
20:38.26blast007let me try something quick
20:38.29Calzaathk
20:40.35blast007yep, you'll need a mesh
20:40.58blast007you could probably get by with a single face that points up
20:41.06blast007search the forum
20:41.18blast007someone has posted how to do a one way wall before
20:41.40Calzaathok thanks
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22:45.21hwildeThere does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game
22:45.23hwildewth?
22:46.29blast007fix your key bindings then
22:46.50hwildehow?
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22:47.15hwildeit crashes on startup
22:47.30Constitutionthrow out your config
22:47.41hwildeI did
22:47.52hwildeI also rebooted for the first time in months
22:47.58hwildeand then install 2.0.16
22:48.03hwildestill just crashes
22:48.05Constitutionwhat is the error message on crash?
22:48.16hwildeit opens to black screen and freezes
22:48.23hwildeand when I kill it leaves that message in the terminal
22:48.27hwildeThere does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game
22:48.55hwildespldart had the same issues says the internet
22:49.17blast007what OS?
22:49.31hwilde2.6.31-22-generic
22:49.53blast007that's your kernel version
22:50.05hwildeubuntu somethin somethin
22:50.15blast007lsb_release -a  knows all
22:50.25hwilde$ lsb_release -a
22:50.25hwildeNo LSB modules are available.
22:50.25hwildeDistributor ID:Ubuntu
22:50.25hwildeDescription:Ubuntu 9.10
22:50.26hwildeRelease:9.10
22:50.26hwildeCodename:karmic
22:50.41hwildeKarmic Koala
22:50.54hwildethe close relative of karma chameleon
22:51.31blast007so you're using a self-compiled BZFlag?
22:51.57blast007cuz the repo has 2.0.13
22:52.11Constitutionfor 9.10?
22:52.16blast007yeah
22:52.21hwildeI was on 2.0.12 yesterday and it was worrking
22:52.25hwildetoday it is broken
22:52.31hwildeI also tried the latest 2.0.16
22:52.34hwildeboth same issue
22:52.38Constitutionwhat changed between then and now?
22:52.39blast007well what did you change?
22:52.43hwildenothing
22:52.48blast007unlikely
22:52.53hwildeI was asleep
22:53.01Constitutionbingo!
22:53.02hwildemaybe my config is corrupt somehow?
22:53.03blast007something had to have changed
22:53.12hwildehow do I generate a new one
22:53.17hwildebc installing the new version didn't fix it
22:53.20blast007when you said you "threw away" your config, how did you do it?
22:53.28hwilderm
22:53.35blast007I mean, WHAT did you delete
22:53.45hwildefk I dunno
22:53.46hwildehow do I fix it
22:53.54hwildewhy doesn't downloading the latest version come with a fresh config
22:53.59Constitutionrm ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg
22:54.22blast007the config is generated when you run the game (saved upon a sucessful quit)
22:54.38hwildeConstitution, that file is 0 filesize, created like 5 minutes ago
22:54.56Constitutiondelete it
22:54.57blast007unlike a daemon, we don't have a system-wide configuration file - there is one per user, so why would it get created at install?
22:55.18blast007better yet, just mv ~/.bzf ~/.bzf.crap
22:55.22blast007then try
22:55.25hwildeits 0 filesize lol
22:55.43blast007rename your ~/.bzf and try the client
22:56.17Constitutionlol
22:56.30blast007test = fail
22:56.43Constitutionmaybe he locked up his machine for good
22:57.03blast007we're probably not that lucky
22:58.58Constitutionwhen does the next ubuntu come out anyway... I need to reformat and reinstall
22:59.08blast00711.04?
22:59.18Constitutionyeah... april 27th, I thought it was
22:59.23blast00728th
22:59.27Constitutionah
22:59.55blast007their new UI was unstable as heck on a test system ;)
23:00.08blast007the netbook UI thing
23:00.30blast007course, my test system was an old P4 with old onboard intel craphics
23:02.34Constitutionyeah if slashdot has anything to say, the betas have been crashing all the time
23:03.33blast007iirc, I had to force X.org to use the intel drivers so I could even get acceleration (but that's not a 11.04 issue.. just a general linux/ubuntu issue)
23:11.56Foo_man_choodios I need to upgrad
23:11.57Foo_man_chooe

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