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| 01:34.38 | KTL | is there a trick to quickly figure out which drawinfo i'm staring at? |
| 01:35.16 | KTL | (because i am generating them en masse and should try to keep the better ones, remove the dumb ones) |
| 01:35.38 | KTL | will sleep over it |
| 01:35.44 | KTL | gn |
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| 02:22.32 | delusional | KTL... you could drop different angvels into them... then figure out which one is moving x fast. |
| 02:23.06 | delusional | or use different materials |
| 03:01.48 | Constitution | splendid... sourceforge viewvc has ads in it now |
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| 05:36.21 | Constitution | anyone want to help me proofread a readme for another project? |
| 05:37.04 | eTangenT | :O |
| 05:37.18 | eTangenT | Constitution: and here I was about to ask people in here to help me with testing my map |
| 05:37.30 | eTangenT | I think I got the flag/tank spawning inside of buildings fixed now |
| 05:37.50 | eTangenT | wait, there's a spot I forgot though I know an easy fix for that |
| 05:37.52 | eTangenT | uh |
| 05:38.46 | Constitution | inside buildings? |
| 05:38.59 | Constitution | oh, right |
| 05:40.01 | eTangenT | yeah that one |
| 05:53.37 | eTangenT | so what's that you were asking about a readme? |
| 05:55.32 | Constitution | want to help me proofread it? |
| 05:56.00 | eTangenT | sure |
| 05:56.08 | eTangenT | dunno how much help I am but I am sitting here doing nothing |
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| 19:44.52 | soxs | File /Users/chris/Desktop/bzflag-2.0.16/build/Development/BZFlag.app depends on itself. This target might include its own product. |
| 19:45.31 | blast007 | building 2.0.16? |
| 19:45.35 | soxs | yes sir |
| 19:45.38 | blast007 | why? |
| 19:45.46 | blast007 | we provide an .app for OSX |
| 19:45.56 | soxs | idk?, it was on downloads from sf |
| 19:46.15 | blast007 | what did you download? the source? |
| 19:46.20 | soxs | yes .zip |
| 19:46.27 | blast007 | again, why? |
| 19:46.35 | soxs | why not? |
| 19:46.36 | blast007 | we have a pre-built version of 2.0.16 |
| 19:46.41 | soxs | ohhh |
| 19:46.45 | soxs | why do i want to compile? |
| 19:46.55 | blast007 | yes |
| 19:47.04 | soxs | I haven't done so on mac yet, so I want to learn how to. |
| 19:47.34 | soxs | i tried following the wiki but wasn't so helpful. |
| 19:47.37 | blast007 | build on OSX has the most quirks |
| 19:47.40 | blast007 | building* |
| 19:47.50 | soxs | was told it's easiest to build on osx |
| 19:47.55 | blast007 | it's pretty much the least supported operating system |
| 19:47.56 | blast007 | hah, no |
| 19:47.59 | blast007 | someone lied to you |
| 19:48.01 | soxs | any idea why I am getting those errors? |
| 19:48.04 | blast007 | easiest is Windows |
| 19:48.29 | blast007 | nope, no idea |
| 19:48.38 | blast007 | like I said though, quirky |
| 19:48.49 | eTangenT | blast007: easiest is Windows? |
| 19:48.53 | blast007 | eTangenT: yeah |
| 19:49.11 | eTangenT | I always thought Linux was easiest, but then I never did it on Windows |
| 19:49.12 | soxs | linux is pretty easy ^^ |
| 19:49.19 | eTangenT | but I never liked compiling things in Windows |
| 19:49.27 | blast007 | windows is more clicky |
| 19:50.11 | blast007 | with trunk, you basically just install Visual Studio/Visual C++ Express, the DirectX SDK, open bzflag.sln, and hit a key to build it :P |
| 19:50.12 | soxs | hm |
| 19:50.28 | soxs | who's the mac pro on here? |
| 19:50.49 | eTangenT | I think Constitution is |
| 19:50.51 | blast007 | did the build actually fail? |
| 19:50.57 | eTangenT | no promises on that |
| 19:51.03 | blast007 | cuz it doesn't sound like an error to me |
| 19:51.07 | soxs | yah const is good, ill ask him |
| 19:51.09 | blast007 | just a warning or an "FYI" |
| 19:51.20 | soxs | Build Failes (2 errors, 1 warning) |
| 19:51.26 | soxs | failed* |
| 19:51.29 | blast007 | okay, that's probably the warning |
| 19:51.40 | blast007 | and I don't read minds |
| 19:51.59 | blast007 | might want to read all of the messages it spewed |
| 19:52.14 | soxs | yah tried, wasnt much of a help. |
| 19:52.34 | blast007 | nor is the minimal information you are giving, so I guess you don't actually want help. |
| 19:53.04 | soxs | why are you being a dick, i wouldn't come in here if i didn't want help. |
| 19:53.32 | eTangenT | soxs: because he's blast |
| 19:53.46 | blast007 | you haven't said how you're building, and you're not giving any useful information |
| 19:53.48 | eTangenT | at least he's nicer than bonsaikitten is |
| 19:54.33 | soxs | what kind of useful information do you need? |
| 19:54.41 | blast007 | like, actual errors? |
| 19:55.02 | blast007 | are you building in xcode? terminal? |
| 19:55.15 | soxs | File /Users/chris/Desktop/bzflag-2.0.16/build/Development/BZFlag.app depends on itself. This target might include its own product. |
| 19:55.15 | soxs | File /Users/christopherpeckham/Desktop/bzflag-2.0.16/build/Development/BZFlag.app depends on itself. This target might include its own product. |
| 19:55.15 | soxs | I am using xcode. |
| 19:55.30 | soxs | oops, tried deleting my name, failed on the second one ^^ |
| 19:55.58 | blast007 | build with the command line a single time to see if that actually works |
| 19:56.14 | blast007 | not sure if xcode will give you proper errors if the build fails |
| 19:56.20 | soxs | ok |
| 19:56.34 | blast007 | since we're essentially using it as a wrapper around autogen, configure, and make |
| 19:56.42 | blast007 | (with some extra magic to make an .app) |
| 19:56.54 | blast007 | so do the usual linux method, without doing 'make install' |
| 19:57.05 | blast007 | (since 'make install' can make OSX unhappy) |
| 19:58.21 | blast007 | that process should give you actual information about why stuff fails |
| 20:05.08 | soxs | no idea really how to use terminal |
| 20:05.23 | soxs | ./autogen.sh, ./configure which file do i want to do that to? |
| 20:05.52 | soxs | nvm got it |
| 20:15.55 | soxs | wheres the client go to? |
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| 20:33.47 | soxs | didnt work |
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| 22:54.47 | KTL | would if benefit the fps if all sizable surface were to be cut in little triangles? |
| 22:56.02 | KTL | or ... maybe not the visible ones but the ones used for collision detection only? |
| 22:57.08 | trepan | coldet for meshes is best done with the largest convex coplanar polygons you can use |
| 22:57.34 | trepan | ex: don't chop up pentagons into triangles |
| 22:57.57 | KTL | ok ... and opengl |
| 22:57.58 | KTL | ? |
| 22:58.21 | trepan | tris are probably better than polygons |
| 22:58.43 | trepan | GL3 doesn't support polygons anymore, iirc |
| 22:59.19 | KTL | (i found it a bit odd that my fps for the most populated map at the moment is so low, it has nothing complicated, just big surfaces) |
| 22:59.40 | KTL | compared to those triangle storms i generated |
| 23:00.38 | trepan | it could be the lighting lod'ing, or a number of other old style hacks kicking in |
| 23:01.19 | KTL | lods of tristrips |
| 23:01.22 | KTL | l;ots* |
| 23:01.29 | KTL | cant type anymore |
| 23:10.31 | Constitution | blast007: building on OS X isn't really that difficult... just building a unibin that's compatible with older OS versions is :) |
| 23:11.02 | Constitution | which, unfortunately, are what our release builds need to be |
| 23:12.14 | Constitution | but I'm not sure why he downloaded the .zip rather than one of the .tars |
| 23:14.37 | blast007 | Constitution: well, it's definately a bit more complicated than linux/windows, at least from what I recall |
| 23:15.05 | blast007 | might be better now, but I always had more problems on OSX. and that was with a system that was already configured to build BZFlag when I bought it. ;) |
| 23:20.12 | Constitution | regardless, I have never seen the error he's talking about... maybe he's using the just-released Xcode 4 |
| 23:20.34 | Constitution | or it's from using the .zip rather than one of the .tars |
| 23:22.54 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 23:23.12 | blast007 | the zip was probably built on a linux system |
| 23:23.15 | KTL | discovered only a few days ago the maps-section of the bzflag site ... a webpage with automatically generated thumbnails to each of the maps would come in handy |
| 23:25.47 | mrapple | KTL: this site is old but still has some classic maps on it http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/ |
| 23:26.30 | KTL | large list! |
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| 23:36.43 | Bountty_Hunter | ive heard so many different views... What language is bzflag 2.0.16 written in? |
| 23:37.06 | Anxuiz | C++ |
| 23:37.23 | Bountty_Hunter | are you 100% sure? |
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| 23:38.10 | KTL | as certain as i can get |
| 23:38.46 | Bountty_Hunter | okay... well.. thts not as old as everyone says |
| 23:50.30 | blast007 | Bountty_Hunter: what? |
| 23:51.05 | blast007 | you want to get another development team together, and you can't even figure out what programming language something is written with? |
| 23:59.47 | KTL | if one would quickly make a fukushima-power-plant-map it could get on cnn |