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| 10:30.34 | jh` | is there a script that allow to get the list of players (by bzid) in the servers online |
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| 14:36.17 | blast007 | jh`: servers do not expose the BZID via the query messages |
| 14:36.38 | blast007 | you would have to have a bot join the server with rights to run /idlist |
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| 15:04.05 | jh` | ok |
| 15:49.09 | KTL | http://my.bzflag.org/currentplayers.php <- i guess the bot doesnt need to login as a player or observer ? |
| 15:50.10 | blast007 | that doesn't show BZIDs |
| 15:50.37 | blast007 | the BZID is the unique number that each account gets |
| 16:03.49 | mrapple | blast007: couldnt they just use bzidtools? |
| 16:04.57 | mrapple | jh`: http://my.bzflag.org/bzidtools.php?action=id&value=mrapple |
| 16:06.04 | mrapple | jh`: might want to get permission for mass querying first, though. i remember i was requesting the weblogin script to much by accident and got firewalled :P |
| 16:20.39 | JeffM2501 | just finish the stats API |
| 16:23.53 | jh` | currentplayers.php...is that available for d/l somewhere? |
| 16:24.22 | jh` | or similar |
| 16:24.24 | jh` | scrippt |
| 16:24.28 | jh` | -p |
| 16:25.12 | JeffM2501 | if it is it'd be in svn under the website or db sections |
| 16:25.20 | JeffM2501 | if not then it may not be open source |
| 16:25.34 | jh` | ok |
| 16:25.37 | JeffM2501 | I belive it's part of the stats system that is tho |
| 16:25.53 | JeffM2501 | but not all of the web components are open |
| 16:26.00 | JeffM2501 | just like our database isn't open source :) |
| 16:27.07 | mrapple | jh`: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/db/currentplayers.php?view=log |
| 16:27.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah db contains the entire stats system noodleman wrote so long ago |
| 16:31.00 | jh` | thx apple |
| 16:35.02 | jh` | ok. i would need something like currentplayer.php, but, it should return data in similar form as bzfquery.php does, not web page |
| 16:37.05 | jh` | maybe bzlist.php? |
| 16:41.02 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:43.58 | jh` | to search players that have certain bzid(i can check bzid from db if i have callsigns) |
| 16:44.31 | JeffM2501 | the BZID is the same as the phpbb user ID, there are search features in phpbb |
| 16:45.29 | jh` | i mean, i want to create a script, that shows players that are online, players that are in our database |
| 16:45.38 | jh` | ... |
| 16:45.47 | JeffM2501 | using the list server's database? |
| 16:45.52 | jh` | yep |
| 16:46.03 | jh` | or whatever will work |
| 16:46.04 | JeffM2501 | that is what the stats API is for |
| 16:46.07 | JeffM2501 | finish it |
| 16:46.09 | JeffM2501 | don't make something new |
| 16:46.18 | JeffM2501 | the list server dosn't track who is online |
| 16:46.30 | jh` | how does strayer do it? |
| 16:46.32 | JeffM2501 | the old stats side did a poll |
| 16:46.41 | JeffM2501 | he contacts EVERY game server and gets a player list |
| 16:46.46 | JeffM2501 | it's horrible |
| 16:46.49 | jh` | like bzfquery |
| 16:46.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:47.00 | JeffM2501 | but that can't get the bzid |
| 16:47.17 | JeffM2501 | that's why we designed a new stats system that has the game servers push the stats and players to a central database |
| 16:47.24 | JeffM2501 | then the system provides an API for other sites |
| 16:47.28 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot cleaner |
| 16:47.33 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be finished |
| 16:47.48 | jh` | ah ok |
| 16:47.51 | JeffM2501 | the poll method misses players and scores because it dosn't know when they leave |
| 16:48.00 | JeffM2501 | just that they are not there inbetween 2 poll attemps |
| 16:48.18 | JeffM2501 | it also uses a butload of bandwith and can be consisered spamming servers |
| 16:48.25 | jh` | i bet |
| 16:49.17 | KTL | this nice way of doing it ... does it require all servers to be upgraded ? |
| 16:49.32 | JeffM2501 | V3 servers send out the stat push automaticly |
| 16:49.39 | JeffM2501 | a plugin could be made for V2 servers |
| 16:49.51 | JeffM2501 | and it woudl be simple to add the code in V2 |
| 16:49.57 | JeffM2501 | so yes the server has to opt in |
| 16:50.08 | JeffM2501 | but opt in is default on v3 |
| 16:50.13 | JeffM2501 | and could be made default on v2 |
| 16:50.26 | JeffM2501 | server owners are actualy pretty good about upgrading |
| 16:50.33 | JeffM2501 | the major ones with actual players that is |
| 16:50.42 | jh` | well |
| 16:51.19 | jh` | one option is to parse the html of currentplayers.php |
| 16:51.26 | jh` | to get players callsigns |
| 16:51.57 | JeffM2501 | if you then call the bzid tools you'll get banned for spamming it |
| 16:52.06 | jh` | i dont have to |
| 16:52.06 | JeffM2501 | the server is crap anyway, don't make it worse |
| 16:52.09 | jh` | we have them in db |
| 16:52.25 | jh` | local site db |
| 16:52.43 | JeffM2501 | if you are talking about running this on the list server machine, the data for the current players is in a db thtere too |
| 16:52.50 | JeffM2501 | but really please DO NOT make a new system |
| 16:52.53 | JeffM2501 | finish the old one |
| 16:53.16 | JeffM2501 | and if you want to make it fill in it's data from existing databases then fine, but at least present the API that the new site will use |
| 16:53.55 | JeffM2501 | the new stats system dosn't have to get all it's data from push data, it could get the servers that don't push from the old method |
| 16:53.59 | JeffM2501 | that's at least somewhat better |
| 16:54.11 | JeffM2501 | those servers that upgrade get more accurate data so there is some reason to upgrade |
| 16:54.27 | JeffM2501 | then eventualy you just pull the old system when everyone has upgraded |
| 16:54.52 | JeffM2501 | but then at least all the sites are using a fixed API and don't have to change anything on there end |
| 16:55.12 | jh` | ok |
| 16:56.16 | JeffM2501 | the main problem with the current players site is there is no way to know if the entry from a server is valid |
| 16:56.24 | JeffM2501 | you could log into a server as JeffM |
| 16:56.33 | JeffM2501 | and you whould show up as me |
| 16:56.36 | JeffM2501 | even tho you have a - |
| 16:56.52 | JeffM2501 | so as a "friend tracking system" it will have lots of fail |
| 16:57.20 | jh` | true |
| 16:57.31 | JeffM2501 | many people will abbuse it |
| 16:57.49 | JeffM2501 | so much so that I'd say we should not host it on our system |
| 16:58.01 | JeffM2501 | if we are going to do it we should do it right |
| 16:58.08 | jh` | the currentplayers.php? |
| 16:58.36 | JeffM2501 | anything new |
| 16:58.44 | JeffM2501 | that tries to do better friend tracking |
| 16:58.54 | JeffM2501 | current players is wrong |
| 16:58.56 | JeffM2501 | we all know that |
| 16:59.06 | JeffM2501 | so we should not base new things off of it |
| 17:03.25 | JeffM2501 | in the end, how is your list of online players going to be different then what is in currentPlayers.php? |
| 17:03.58 | KTL | maybe he wants better statistics |
| 17:03.59 | jh` | it would show only players that are on OUR database |
| 17:04.16 | jh` | and that are online |
| 17:04.18 | JeffM2501 | well you can't get better stats from a poll system |
| 17:04.24 | JeffM2501 | and nothing tracks who is "online" |
| 17:04.33 | JeffM2501 | and you can't be sure that the player who is in the poll is authed |
| 17:04.39 | JeffM2501 | so I don't think you can get that |
| 17:05.12 | jh` | so, currentplayers compared ag. our local db |
| 17:05.24 | JeffM2501 | and that can be spoofed |
| 17:05.31 | JeffM2501 | since current players only has names |
| 17:05.36 | JeffM2501 | no auth status |
| 17:05.41 | jh` | yep |
| 17:05.46 | JeffM2501 | so what is the point? |
| 17:06.05 | jh` | does bzfquery have auth status?nope? |
| 17:06.07 | JeffM2501 | sounds like you just want to mod current players to show what names have an associated bzid |
| 17:06.14 | JeffM2501 | no it does not |
| 17:06.19 | JeffM2501 | that's the core problem |
| 17:06.31 | JeffM2501 | the game dosn't send out the auth stats with the data responce to the query |
| 17:07.02 | jh` | k i gotta run, my skis are waiting:P |
| 17:07.07 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 17:09.14 | jh` | hm, i bet we could easily do that stats pushing from servers, but would anyone else use it is a different story |
| 17:09.39 | jh` | i mean using our xleague servers, we could do |
| 17:10.59 | JeffM2501 | you could get the big names to update |
| 17:11.01 | JeffM2501 | it'd be simple |
| 17:11.09 | JeffM2501 | blast, mrapple, etc.. |
| 17:11.19 | JeffM2501 | that'd get 80% of the popular ones |
| 17:12.16 | blast007 | jh`: currentplayers.php doesn't handle querying the server. It's actually a perl module + perl script that populate the stats site database. |
| 17:13.15 | blast007 | and overall, the site is full of fail |
| 17:13.24 | JeffM2501 | big time |
| 17:13.40 | blast007 | just like everything else in our svn repo ;) |
| 17:14.00 | JeffM2501 | the push stats has it's push data done, and a part of the db |
| 17:14.06 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be finished off |
| 17:14.11 | KTL | the hAx0rz didnt fix it ? |
| 17:14.17 | blast007 | I think you had *started* a push plugin for 2.0.x |
| 17:14.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did |
| 17:14.30 | JeffM2501 | it was possible to make it |
| 17:14.40 | JeffM2501 | but also it'd be simple to put the code in bzfs too |
| 17:14.49 | JeffM2501 | that may make it easier to update for some people |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM2501 | just make em svn up and rebuild |
| 17:15.17 | JeffM2501 | many are running svn versions anyway |
| 17:15.25 | blast007 | heh, and bzadmin in the 2.0.16 win32 release *does* crash consistently |
| 17:15.38 | blast007 | it's when you hit left/right to pick a name |
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| 23:57.36 | JeffM2501 | blast007, just FYI the Invisible Koth map dosn't comply with the bzbb open source license requirements |
| 23:57.43 | JeffM2501 | since it forbids derivations |