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| 02:42.21 | Bountty_Hunter | umm..anyone here? There is an issue.... |
| 02:43.06 | kierra | depends on where |
| 02:43.39 | Bountty_Hunter | its a more legal issue |
| 02:43.43 | Bountty_Hunter | with hosting and copyrights for map |
| 02:43.58 | kierra | goes invisible |
| 02:44.42 | kierra | defers to blast, BulletCatcher, Constitution, joevano |
| 02:45.00 | blast007 | Bountty_Hunter: if you can be more specific... |
| 02:45.13 | Bountty_Hunter | sigonasr2 is being a jerk and he just deleted my maps |
| 02:45.36 | blast007 | you mean he took down your maps |
| 02:45.42 | blast007 | he can't delete the maps off your computer |
| 02:45.54 | Bountty_Hunter | no.. |
| 02:45.55 | Bountty_Hunter | well he has an account for hosting on his server |
| 02:45.57 | Bountty_Hunter | using WinSCP |
| 02:46.04 | blast007 | ok |
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| 02:46.18 | Bountty_Hunter | well with this account i am able to host maps personally off his server |
| 02:46.18 | Bountty_Hunter | so technically he owns the account |
| 02:46.29 | MurfandSurf | BH!!! |
| 02:46.33 | Bountty_Hunter | well i have been uploading some maps and editing majority of it within the account files |
| 02:46.56 | Bountty_Hunter | well since i disobeyed him for something he decided to shutdown my account and delete the files |
| 02:47.03 | Bountty_Hunter | Now aren't those maps my property? |
| 02:47.09 | blast007 | which not our problem |
| 02:47.11 | blast007 | is not* |
| 02:47.39 | Bountty_Hunter | Well he now has no digital copy of the maps... |
| 02:47.43 | blast007 | well, it's not like you don't have a copy of them on your own computer, right? |
| 02:47.46 | Bountty_Hunter | and i dont have any of copies either |
| 02:47.51 | blast007 | sucks to be you |
| 02:48.05 | blast007 | you shouldn't have been editing them ON his server |
| 02:48.13 | blast007 | you should have been uploading them from your computer |
| 02:48.50 | blast007 | it's not his job to maintain your data |
| 02:49.08 | Bountty_Hunter | Yes, but legally those maps should be mine; right? |
| 02:49.30 | blast007 | you own the copyright on them, I would assume (you made them all yourself?) |
| 02:49.36 | Bountty_Hunter | yes |
| 02:49.43 | blast007 | then you own copyright to them |
| 02:49.50 | Bountty_Hunter | exactly |
| 02:49.54 | Bountty_Hunter | but he refused to do so |
| 02:50.02 | blast007 | refused to do what? |
| 02:50.05 | MurfandSurf | yes but it is not his responsibility to safeguard them |
| 02:50.40 | blast007 | Bountty_Hunter: basically, you screwed up. You should have had a copy of the files on your own computer. |
| 02:50.51 | Bountty_Hunter | but he owns the account which i have been putting MY files on; therefore he is responsible |
| 02:51.07 | blast007 | no, he's not |
| 02:51.16 | Bountty_Hunter | oh though it truly dosent matter... he knew i didnt have a copy and was going to do it but to piss me off he deleted them anyway |
| 02:51.25 | blast007 | is facebook responsible if they delete one of your pictures? no |
| 02:51.47 | blast007 | is google responsible if they mark a legitimate email as spam and you don't check it within 30 days and it gets deleted? no |
| 02:56.33 | blast007 | is freenode resposible if you close the window instead of using /quit? no |
| 02:59.48 | McYukon | If it doesn't truly matter, why the big fuss... |
| 03:00.00 | blast007 | because it does matter ;) |
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| 05:06.25 | Bountty_Hunter | okay, im back... |
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| 16:36.59 | WarPig | Q: What do the different colors on the server list mean? I see orange(ish), purple, green red(ish), yellow, etc. |
| 16:38.23 | WarPig | ~seen blast007 |
| 16:38.25 | ibot | blast007 is currently on #gsoc #bzflag ##ducleague ##guleague #bzflag-chat. Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 13h 38m 25s, last said: 'because it does matter ;)'. |
| 16:38.58 | Chestal | WarPig: number of shots |
| 16:41.23 | WarPig | Ah! Thanks. So, generally, the 'cooler' the color, the fewer shots. I.E. Red is lots of shots, Blue is few shots. |
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| 21:01.16 | WarPig | Is it me, or is there a rift in the force? I can't connect to any server in the list. |
| 21:08.46 | mrapple | heh |
| 21:09.26 | kierra | i connect just fine, WP |
| 21:09.37 | mrapple | me too ;P |
| 21:09.39 | WarPig | I'm OK now too. |
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| 21:25.05 | JeffM | delusional, your hoodie is in |
| 21:25.09 | JeffM | Constitution, they screwed yours up |
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| 21:39.36 | WarPig | It's not just me. Roving packetloss. Some players getting spikes, some OK. Indicates a problem upstream somewhere. |
| 21:45.54 | WarPig | ping to blast007's server --> http://pastebin.com/MRXv7UYd Somebody is dropping packets. |
| 21:46.20 | JeffM | do a trace route |
| 21:46.26 | JeffM | that will tell you what the real deal is |
| 21:47.05 | WarPig | http://pastebin.com/nkzz4nEZ |
| 21:47.29 | WarPig | Gets to xlhost's network then nothing. |
| 21:47.39 | WarPig | Its OK now. COmes and goes. |
| 21:47.39 | JeffM | that's normal |
| 21:47.45 | JeffM | they don't respond to pings |
| 21:47.48 | JeffM | and should not |
| 21:47.54 | WarPig | Yeah, they have ICMP replies firewalled. |
| 21:49.12 | WarPig | ...or "disabled at the firewall", more accurately. |
| 21:49.20 | JeffM | as they should |
| 21:50.45 | WarPig | I have a really stout internet connection here. I normally have no problems. |
| 21:51.09 | JeffM | it's probably something else inbetween you and the server |
| 21:54.27 | ts | (the real) traceroute uses UDP |
| 21:56.00 | ts | using ICMP it goes one hop further (20 bzexcess.com (173.45.72.146) 144.306 ms 144.696 ms 144.514 ms) |
| 21:57.47 | WarPig | For me, using ICMP traceroute goes the whole distance. |
| 21:58.08 | WarPig | 7 hops from me to blasts server. |
| 21:58.16 | ts | yes, it means bzexcess.com somehow doesn't respond to UDP traceroutes. |
| 21:59.18 | ts | ICMP looks good.. |
| 21:59.19 | ts | 100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 21:59.19 | ts | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 144.031/144.460/145.087/0.230 ms |
| 21:59.33 | WarPig | Interesting. Next time I start taking packetloss there, I'll run anotehr traceroute and see if there is a difference. |
| 21:59.52 | JeffM | it's probabl just blast007 abbusing his power ;) |
| 21:59.59 | ts | traceroute might not be the right tool ;) |
| 22:00.00 | WarPig | Yes, the problem seems to come and go, and it does not affect all the players, only a few. |
| 22:00.15 | ts | if you want to debug mtr might be better suited |
| 22:00.28 | WarPig | JeffM: No... Not blast... Never. :P |
| 22:01.02 | JeffM | you are right, he'd never do that, hence he joke |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM | unless it was about running out of tacos |
| 22:01.34 | WarPig | heh |
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