IRC log for #bzflag on 20110216

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00:31.34JeffMoh, the new shirts and hoodies shipped from the mfg to me today
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18:27.27Juest-
18:27.32Juest:)
18:27.38Juesthello
18:37.04blast007hi
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20:49.17kierra_awayoh dear
20:54.57_Zz_hi
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20:56.28Juesthow's everybody?
21:03.15blast007Juest: good
21:03.28blast007kierra_away: was that sdfghjk user spamming stuff to the channel?
21:03.52brlcadprobably to lots of channels given it got enough attention for a k-line
21:04.13blast007just wasn't sure, cuz I have stuff like CTCP's ignored in my client ;)
21:04.30brlcadI didn't receive anything here
21:04.33blast007k
21:08.44Juesti don't know is it just ad?
21:09.00Juestthe sdghijk
21:09.36JeffMblast007, did you work out your geno issue
21:09.47JeffMthe more I think about it, if the TCP packet was dropped it could happen
21:10.09JeffMbut that would have to be a big lag spike
21:10.13JeffMto get arround the retries
21:11.32blast007no, hadn't figured it out yet
21:11.44blast007I've had two instances where I've seen someone survive geno
21:11.55blast007and it didn't *look* like they were having network issues
21:11.57JeffMyour gut tell you it was legit?
21:12.04blast007I don't know
21:12.16JeffMwas it possible there client thought they were dead and they just spawned late?
21:12.17blast007from what I could tell in the code, it looks like it shouldn't be possible
21:12.47blast007since the client should get the death message for the guy who died from geno, and then the client would say "oh, I should die now cuz he got hit with geno"
21:13.11blast007and no, they had TH and were driving around while the guy got hit
21:13.11JeffMit's not a specific "you die now" kill message from the server?
21:13.15blast007no
21:13.23JeffMthen yeah I agree
21:13.28JeffMunless they had super bad lag
21:13.38JeffMbut then they would not drive correctly
21:13.40blast007another case someone had ST and was on the other side of the map from where they spawn and survived geno
21:13.51blast007could be one-way lag/loss I suppose
21:13.57blast007where they could still send but not receive
21:14.02JeffMhighly unlikely
21:14.07blast007agreed
21:14.24blast007I should review the replay more closely
21:14.38blast007see if he was dodging bullets and/or tracking other tanks during that time
21:14.48blast007since that would definately indicate that they were getting data
21:15.02JeffMyeah
21:15.12JeffMalso stopped shooting those that died
21:15.19JeffMthen you know he got death messages
21:15.26blast007he had TH though, so no killin' :)
21:16.02Cobra_Fasts.o. survived a geno strike?
21:16.06blast007yeah
21:16.19JeffMhmm
21:16.35Cobra_Fastand that person was certainly not using a modified client?
21:16.53JeffMthere is no way to know hence the questions
21:17.35Cobra_Fast"hence"?
21:18.00JeffMhence adv. For this reason; therefore
21:18.23Cobra_Fastah that makes sense
21:19.12JeffMI may not spell well but I know me some english ;)
21:21.39blast007I'll have to see if a replay was saved for the first one
21:21.51blast007the more recent one was only a 60 second replay
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21:41.24Packmanit looks the server does not keep track of shots, only tells the clients. Can anyone confirm this?
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21:44.16joevanoPackman: the server just relays shots... it does not track them
21:44.39joevanoso yes you are correct
21:45.04JeffMyeah server side shots were one of the summer of code projects
21:45.10JeffMit never got past the research phase really
21:45.33JeffMit's one of the big rewrites that has to happen to make the game more cheat resistant
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21:51.40Juesthello, why bzfs stalls and makes a player part complaining with "send queue too big"? i just use client bots: 16 talking about bzflag 2.99.x.....
21:52.50Juest........
21:52.55Juestanyone?
21:54.16Juestguys, the geno thingy happened to me, didn't knew that a geno attack happened, only knew because players telling i am not dead
21:54.59Juesthello?
21:55.05Juesteveryone's away?
21:56.16Juestok with my iusse the server never accepts me after the part
21:56.21kierra_away(4:03:25 PM) blast007: kierra_away: was that sdfghjk user spamming stuff to the channel?             not to my knowledge, been gone most of day
21:56.35Juesthey
21:57.51Juestand client crashes when connect on server
21:57.59Juestabout 5 secs after start
21:58.19kierra_awaybtw blast007....sent jacko to you once again :)
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22:03.54Juesthey
22:04.36Juestand why client freezes when tring to connect to localhost (loopback)
22:04.39Juest?????
22:05.14Juestand it crashes when it tires to connect first time since bzfs up
22:12.41Juestfor the unexpectly disconnect is because i run /flag up
22:13.04JeffMPackman, what are you doing with shots?
22:13.05JuestHelp! will anybody answer me?
22:13.09Juesto.o?
22:13.18Juesti am muted?
22:14.48Packmani was seeing if there was a way around bz_ShotFiredEventData not giving the vital rotation or velocity data
22:15.05JeffMyou'd have to write to code to track it youself
22:15.13JeffMthat's what the main goal of shotbrach is
22:15.22JeffMyou'd also have to compute ricos and the like
22:16.18Packmanwould it be possible/easier to mod bzfs to pack velocity into ShotUpdate for bzfsApi?
22:16.30JeffMit dosn't have them
22:16.42JeffMwell it may
22:16.50JeffMis it part of the shot message?
22:16.56JeffMthe actual network message?
22:17.30PackmanI think so, that's the way I imagine the client getting the shot velocity
22:17.43JeffMit could get it from the tank but you may be right
22:17.54JeffMso yeah you could shove it into a new message with more data
22:18.22Packmanit can't get it from the tank; it's a bundle of errors with updateThrottleRate, angleTolerance, and the client's on fps
22:18.30JeffMfun
22:19.03Packman(i tried) - it is accurate most of the time
22:19.28JeffMheh yeah accuracy and bzflag do not go hand in hand
22:19.32Packmanif anyone tries to trick it by shooting and stopping turning, it gets fooled though
22:31.02Juesthey
22:31.08Juestanyone can read?
22:31.44Juesthello?
22:32.27Packmani can read
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22:41.06Juestoh,
22:41.23Juesthey, packman, seen my iusses?
22:41.32Juestand questions
22:49.11Juesthello?
22:49.23Juestwho sees all my chat?
22:49.36JuestAnyone Can
22:49.42JuestRead This?
22:52.09kierra_awayall those literate can
22:52.25Juestwho?
22:52.50Juestbecause no one's aswering me
22:54.18kierra_awaymany are lurking and tbh, some may not be interested in your chat
22:54.27Juesto.o?
22:54.32kierra_awaythey may be busy
22:54.48Juestbecause i need to check those iusses i have
22:54.56Juestforum?
22:54.57JeffMor not care
22:55.00kierra_awaypatience
22:55.04JeffMdon't host on windows
22:55.05JeffMever
22:55.09Juestwhy?
22:55.09kierra_awaythey are not at your beck and call
22:55.15Juesti have to
22:55.15JeffMit is not well suited for it
22:55.23JeffMit has network stack issues
22:55.24Juesti use windows
22:55.28JeffMthen deal with the problems
22:55.35JeffMno real host uses windows
22:55.36Juestoh, specially on 2.99.x?
22:55.41JeffMno in general
22:56.24Juestjeff, can u help me with something?
22:56.28JeffMprobably
22:56.48JeffMbut I'm not sure if I want to, or have the time
22:56.55JeffMI have to go car shopping
22:56.59Juestwhy bzfs stalls and makes a player part complaining with "send queue too big"? i just use client bots: 16 talking about bzflag 2.99.x.....
22:57.01JeffM2 more to drive
22:57.08JeffMbecause you are using windows
22:57.10JeffMdon't use windows
22:57.14JeffMas has been said
22:57.25Juestfor that i just send /flag up
22:57.35JeffMdon't use windows
22:57.38Juesthad 16 bots with me
22:57.43JeffMthat's the problem
22:57.45JeffMdon't use windows
22:58.04Juestand why client freezes when tring to connect to localhost (loopback) in 2.99.x?
22:58.15JeffMbecause the windows server can't handle that
22:58.17JeffMdon't use windows
22:58.19JeffMI won't say it again
22:58.53Juestok, because i am having most iusses with the 2.99.x bzfs
22:59.00JeffMI know I can read, can you?
22:59.33Juestand i have another server  that uses 2.0.16 bzfs and it works perfect
22:59.40JeffMgood for it
22:59.54Juestok ,jeff nobody will help me then?
23:00.02Juestwith 2.99.x iusses
23:00.11Juestok, jeff i can read like you
23:00.15JeffMprobably not
23:00.17JeffMnobody cares
23:00.21JeffMbzflag is dev
23:00.43Juestwhy? because the project is *dead*?
23:01.08JeffMyes
23:01.22Juesteven the dvs won't help me?
23:01.26Juestdevs*
23:02.05Juesteven if i bulid by myself a bzflag 2.99.x?
23:02.28Juesti have a bit experience compiling bz
23:02.54Juesti need llinks to download the required programs
23:03.03Juestto complie bz's
23:03.20JeffMyou burned those bridges
23:03.23JeffMlong ago
23:03.27Juest:(
23:03.37Juesthow's that¿
23:04.00Juesti am sooo sorry for that troll behave
23:04.29Juestjust post here links and "over"
23:04.53Juesti think that troll behave won't repeat
23:05.43kierra_awaymejor de dejar de discutirlo aqui por ahora
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23:06.34Juestah xD español
23:06.54Juestkierra, termine de discutir
23:07.02Juestsimplemente quiero los links
23:07.08kierra_awayseria mejor por ahora
23:07.16kierra_awayotro dia, quizas
23:07.17Juestque?
23:07.36Juestummmmm, en fin quiero ahora :)
23:07.44kierra_awayla tema....ya tienes los devs de mal humor
23:07.56Juest:'(
23:07.59Juestbuaaaa
23:08.04kierra_awaydejalo por ahora
23:08.07JeffMthere are isntructions on how to compile on the wiki and forums
23:08.10JeffMyou shoudl read them
23:08.22Juestah thanks jeff
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