IRC log for #bzflag on 20110203

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00:50.31canaima172426hello
00:50.40canaima172426:-D
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04:38.46QuantumBeepwhat's the most correct way to aqcuire bzfs for fedora 13?
04:48.37QuantumBeepnever mind
05:02.27BulletCatcherFor anyone else who wonders: yum install bzflag
05:09.13QuantumBeepIf I weren't a coward, I'd go put that in the wiki: "bzfs is included with the main BZFlag distribution
05:09.14QuantumBeep"
05:15.47BulletCatcherThat is true for Fedora, but not necessarily for other Linux distros.
05:18.34QuantumBeepah yes
05:18.53QuantumBeepand I see that when you try to compile it, it still cannot find your libcurl, even though you SO have it installed
05:19.08QuantumBeepI downed a couple bottles of wine over that one a few years ago
05:49.28BulletCatcherYou need the libcurl-devel RPM to compile against the library.
05:49.35QuantumBeepa HA
05:52.21BulletCatcher"yum install gcc-c++ ncurses-devel curl-devel SDL-devel" ought to pull in all of the development packages needed to compile 2.0.x.
05:53.40BulletCatcherMaybe glew-devel, too.
06:03.06QuantumBeep~bzfquery ip-10-202-9-247.ec2.internal:5154
06:08.46QuantumBeepdurr
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09:00.49Jacko_HHi
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15:42.08kierraflan was a success, spldart
15:42.25spldart\o/
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15:42.52kierralol
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15:47.08blast007that neck position looks painful
15:47.43spldartYeah... my guy got a little whiplash there
16:19.13blast007wow, that -time xx:xx:xx code is kinda terrible...  I see where it could cause an infinite loop...
16:20.13blast007the check for if there is more than three time parts is after a 'while (sizer != 3) {'
16:20.32blast007so if someone did -time 00:00:00:00, infinite loop :P
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16:37.15joevanoi love flan... mke my sugar just this side of burnt
16:40.53BulletCatcherTo develop a new CSS theme for a web site, is there a more structured process than making a local copy of the web site and hacking at the .css file?
16:40.59BulletCatcherI am specifically interested in the Ducati League site.
16:41.04BulletCatcherNaturally I have little experience with CSS, but it seems easy enough to modify a working example.
16:41.27spldartCaramelizer
16:41.57KTLis that for food or is it actual software?
16:42.16BulletCatcherGood question!
16:42.41KTLwww.cssbakery.com
16:42.43spldartI are on t eh fran subject.
16:42.48KTLrounded corners ...
16:44.02KTLand then there was this next generation css
16:44.04KTLcss2 ?
16:44.23KTLwith a whole bunch of attractive features
16:44.41KTL(but maybe not supported by half the browsers)
16:44.46KTLshould learn html5 too still
16:46.01BulletCatcherMy designs are simple and functional, so ordinary widely supported CSS is what I would use.
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16:46.57KTLi guess your main freedom is changing fonts and colors if you want multiple css for the same html
16:47.33KTLBulletCatcher, http://www.csszengarden.com/
16:47.41BulletCatcherIt looks like I have layout choices, too.
16:48.13KTLyou will like that site, the same content and maybe 100 styles for it
16:48.44BulletCatcherYes, that may be good inspiration for me.  Thanks.
16:52.46blast007BulletCatcher: you'd probably need to set up a copy of the site
16:52.53blast007since not every page will have the same items
16:55.26BulletCatcherI bet there is no reliable way to get a list of all of the element names, even with local access to the entire site.
16:55.33blast007would make testing it a lot easier as well
16:55.42blast007probably not
16:55.56blast007but you also don't always use ID's for your CSS
16:56.27blast007CSS can be assigned to tags, classes, IDs, etc
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16:57.01blast007if you set up a local copy, you can slap in your new theme and then click through to all the pages
16:57.41blast007the code is in an SVN repo
16:57.48BulletCatcherThat's roughly what I thought I would have to do.
16:58.23BulletCatcherBut the site content, which includes CSS elements I need to support, is not in svn.
16:58.35blast007add some ;)
16:58.49blast007post some news, create some users
16:58.59BulletCatcherI'll just spider some of the pages, and that should be enough to get started.
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17:03.38CIA-111BZFlag: 03blast007 * r21359 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: Prevent an infinite loop.
17:05.05blast007is there a good way to force the countdown to start before a player joins?
17:07.05blast007trying to fix the -time xx:xx:xx option
17:08.10blast007currently it just calculates how many seconds and sets that as the time limit, but it doesn't start the countdown until someone actually joins
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17:09.01BulletCatcherAn easy hack would be to script a quick join via bzadmin.
17:09.20blast007well, I'm trying to fix bzfs ;)
17:09.24blast007it's a bzfs feature
17:09.30blast007a feature that is broken
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17:28.32blast007does this look like a sane fix?  http://pastebin.com/7sZ1Jvbb  (Note that the commented out "timeElapsed = timeLimit" will just go away completely, as I don't think it serves any purpose)
17:28.55blast007basically setting the same values as what happens when a player joins
17:33.19CIA-111BZFlag: 03blast007 * r21360 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx bzfs.h): Start the countdown immediately when the -time x[x]:[xx:[xx]] format is used.
17:36.17blast007hehe, bzadmin is also quite broken in trunk
17:38.02blast007server messages don't show up, /me messages show as normal chat, /quit doesn't terminate the process
17:38.21JURwut
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17:39.21blast007JUR: :P
18:07.14CIA-111BZFlag: 03blast007 * r21361 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (BZAdminClient.cxx BZAdminClient.h): Properly display action messages in bzadmin.
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18:29.54CIA-111BZFlag: 03blast007 * r21362 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Also include the callsign when sending actions in private.
18:29.58blast007yay, now there's only a couple dozen issues left with bzadmin ;)
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22:26.57KTLtotally relaxed by listening to www.zombo.com
22:34.49Constitution~bzflist
22:34.58Constitutionhmph
22:40.53CIA-111BZFlag: 03brlcad * r21363 10/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh: update to upstream r42255
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