| 00:12.33 | KTL | ow it makes a huge difference if in a material i specify the color before the texture or vice verse |
| 00:12.34 | KTL | a |
| 00:13.07 | KTL | no |
| 00:13.08 | KTL | sorry |
| 00:13.36 | KTL | ah ... the color is multiplied with the color of the texture... |
| 00:13.47 | KTL | a logical and |
| 00:15.02 | JefferyM | yeah the textures are moded over the geometry |
| 00:16.09 | KTL | i cant make a texture that has transparent regions into a non-transparent texture like this i guess? |
| 00:16.28 | KTL | (like "transparent" has to become black) |
| 00:17.38 | JefferyM | the texture can have an alpha channel and that will make the geometry transperant for those texels |
| 00:17.54 | JefferyM | that's how the shots are drawn, they are actualy quads |
| 00:18.04 | JefferyM | and the texture has the round alpha mask |
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| 01:02.57 | trepan | KTL: 'notexalpha' |
| 01:03.36 | trepan | (useful when you want to use alphathresh, but do not want the bilinear blending) |
| 01:04.14 | KTL | i ran in the trouble that everything became the same color (it was white pixels on transparent background) |
| 01:04.49 | KTL | but anyway minor issue |
| 01:05.04 | KTL | more urgent : how do i get a teleporter on a mesh working? |
| 01:05.21 | trepan | put a small box under it |
| 01:05.36 | KTL | i did in the past, it worked for me but many visitors still had the issue |
| 01:05.45 | trepan | (iirc, it depends on where the other side is) |
| 01:05.59 | KTL | "where" ? |
| 01:06.18 | trepan | on the ground, on a mesh, on a bz1.x object |
| 01:06.48 | trepan | update to v2.99.x, i think that the problem is mostly solved there ;) |
| 01:06.58 | KTL | maybe those visitors still ran into trouble because the mesh object was still nearby, the oldstyle box was only ... 0.05 thick |
| 01:07.20 | KTL | mweuh |
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| 01:32.42 | echelon | bzflags doesn't like socks proxies? :/ |
| 01:33.27 | echelon | i'm trying to wrap it around tsocks but it keeps me out saying my end isn't using udp |
| 01:33.34 | echelon | every time i shoot |
| 01:36.27 | blast007 | why would you need to play over a proxy? |
| 01:36.34 | blast007 | that's just stupid |
| 01:37.03 | blast007 | you'll just double (at a minimum) your lag |
| 01:37.19 | blast007 | not to mention it won't work, since it'll be TCP only and most servers require UDP |
| 01:37.21 | kierra | why hide behind a proxy? |
| 01:37.33 | echelon | hey kierra :) |
| 01:37.34 | echelon | < titmouse |
| 01:37.39 | KTL | :) |
| 01:37.40 | me1 | is the list blocked? |
| 01:37.51 | kierra | hey guy! |
| 01:38.09 | KTL | mmm tor tor tor |
| 01:38.16 | blast007 | also, if you're trying to play over Tor, a few servers block that at the firewall level, including mine ;) |
| 01:38.32 | blast007 | you can't even view my blog over Tor |
| 01:38.35 | echelon | ugh |
| 01:38.44 | me1 | if you try to play over tor |
| 01:38.46 | echelon | i'm not trying to be anonymous |
| 01:38.50 | me1 | your lag will literally be over 9000 |
| 01:39.22 | blast007 | well, doesn't matter |
| 01:39.28 | blast007 | BZFlag will not run over a proxy |
| 01:39.29 | KTL | what else could tor be of use besides being anonymous? you got banned on your own ip somewhere ? :D |
| 01:39.31 | echelon | i'm trying to tunnel through one of my boxes on the lan because my vpn is blacklisted |
| 01:39.48 | blast007 | why do you need to play over a VPN? still sounds like you're trying to be anonymous |
| 01:39.49 | me1 | KTL, there are more proxies than tor |
| 01:40.04 | KTL | but the irc info of echelon shows tor :) |
| 01:40.05 | blast007 | or trying to evade some other ban |
| 01:40.37 | echelon | KTL, now i remember you.. you used to go on #aspielounge |
| 01:40.44 | KTL | ow rightttttt |
| 01:40.49 | echelon | ^_^ |
| 01:40.54 | echelon | < steerpike |
| 01:40.55 | KTL | remembers some ... weird channels :D |
| 01:41.12 | me1 | echelon, you know your account has been frozen on freenode? |
| 01:41.17 | KTL | hoi hoi :) i'm working on some nice map btw |
| 01:41.20 | echelon | yeah -_- |
| 01:41.42 | echelon | but i'm on good terms with freenode staff now |
| 01:41.45 | KTL | that might have something to do with the afore-mentioned channel :D |
| 01:41.46 | blast007 | echelon: play normally |
| 01:41.57 | blast007 | no need for a VPN or a proxy |
| 01:42.13 | blast007 | I also firewall out VPNs ;) |
| 01:42.18 | echelon | i just need the vpn for my other traffic |
| 01:42.22 | blast007 | and I block them from the list |
| 01:42.25 | echelon | i'm admin |
| 01:42.50 | AAA_awright | echelon: Yeah proxies of any sorts are a Bad Thing(TM) |
| 01:43.17 | KTL | (bwaa ... vpns are a nice invention ... if you get them working ...) |
| 01:43.19 | echelon | i'm just trying to tunnel through my own box on the same network |
| 01:43.21 | blast007 | shut down your VPN when you play, or get a second computer for the VPN traffic |
| 01:43.31 | echelon | fine |
| 01:43.52 | KTL | echelon, do the vpn traffic in a virtual box maybe |
| 01:44.05 | blast007 | nah, that will just add jitter to his gameplay |
| 01:44.13 | blast007 | s/will/could/ |
| 01:45.38 | KTL | vs the teleporter 0-10 |
| 01:46.12 | echelon | oh yeah |
| 01:46.23 | echelon | has the teleporter bug been fixed for linux? |
| 01:46.35 | echelon | i'm guessing not |
| 01:46.50 | KTL | which one? :) (mine is teleporter on a mesh) |
| 01:47.02 | blast007 | echelon: no, since 3.0.0 isn't out, nor will it be |
| 01:47.12 | kierra | :( |
| 01:47.14 | blast007 | wasn't fixed until some 2.99.x version |
| 01:47.30 | blast007 | and it was only 32-bit linux that had the "getting stuck in teleporters" issue, afaik |
| 01:47.37 | blast007 | 64-bit worked just fine :) |
| 01:47.40 | KTL | aa... |
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| 01:50.13 | KTL | i lifted the tele with .00001 and for me it worked ... |
| 01:50.31 | KTL | .0001 was not enough |
| 01:51.40 | KTL | .000001 is too little |
| 01:51.49 | echelon | i also get stuck on maps when i spawn |
| 01:52.02 | echelon | i'm not sure if it's because of the type of surface |
| 01:52.19 | echelon | just on certain maps |
| 01:53.09 | mrapple | echelon: you will need to be way more specific |
| 01:53.30 | mrapple | thats like saying 'my computer doesnt work. but just on some days. can you diagnose the problem?' |
| 01:53.41 | echelon | can't remember on what maps |
| 01:53.55 | echelon | it's usually when i spawn for the first time |
| 01:54.02 | delusional | KTL, we call that the "old floating point bug", when you can't put a teleporter on a mesh. |
| 01:54.15 | echelon | it wouldn't show that i'm sealed, but i'm not able to jump or move around |
| 01:54.16 | KTL | delusional, just in time online :) |
| 01:54.25 | delusional | it's been around since at least V.2.0.2 |
| 01:54.36 | KTL | checks the map and will upload it |
| 01:54.49 | delusional | you ready to go public? |
| 01:54.59 | mrapple | delusional: lower the tele thats on the ground a litttttle bit |
| 01:55.03 | mrapple | if you're teleing to a mesh |
| 01:55.24 | mrapple | not delusional, KTL i meant |
| 01:55.37 | mrapple | the only sideaffects are if a tank sits in the tele, you could get squished ;) |
| 01:55.39 | KTL | those too? |
| 01:56.02 | KTL | but will i be able to exit from those porters? |
| 01:56.27 | mrapple | yes |
| 01:56.40 | mrapple | misile war 2 uses this hack |
| 01:56.50 | delusional | from experience... the only way to permanently fix it is to place the offending tele on a regular BZ-Box |
| 01:56.55 | mrapple | returns his focus to geometry |
| 01:57.10 | KTL | but on planet mofo i havent seen regular boxes? |
| 01:57.17 | mrapple | KTL: mesh to mesh works fine |
| 01:57.23 | mrapple | its mesh to non mesh thats screwy |
| 01:57.30 | delusional | someone's processor will return a decimal value .0001 different than yours, and it's broken for some players |
| 01:58.19 | mrapple | i haent seen it broken for many |
| 01:58.21 | mrapple | if any |
| 01:58.23 | delusional | some have placed the mesh tele a tiny bit in the air |
| 01:58.38 | KTL | as i did just now ... |
| 01:58.54 | delusional | then you may have to jump into it |
| 01:58.57 | mrapple | delusional: you can still go thought it? |
| 01:59.03 | mrapple | yeah thats a bad solution if you ask me |
| 01:59.17 | mrapple | anyways, must. focus. on. homework. |
| 01:59.51 | KTL | succes |
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| 02:01.20 | KTL | mmm ... got kicked from my testserver for teleporting beneath the playing area :D |
| 02:01.33 | mrapple | weird? how much did you lower it |
| 02:01.48 | delusional | beneath? maybe just "outside" |
| 02:01.54 | KTL | obviously too low, a fat 2 units or something |
| 02:02.01 | mrapple | ew ew ew ewe ew |
| 02:02.02 | KTL | (i had to find the porter ) |
| 02:02.05 | mrapple | .0001 at the most |
| 02:04.47 | KTL | yes that wooorks |
| 02:06.05 | mrapple | horray |
| 02:06.31 | KTL | time to prepare to throw it online |
| 02:06.44 | KTL | it is yet another mad city - derivate |
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| 02:08.23 | mrapple | KTL: is it public? ill go check it out... |
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| 02:08.37 | KTL | delusional or trepan , care to put http://users.telenet.be/dpf/horizontal_gradient_blue_begin_red_and_transparant_end.png online somewhere? |
| 02:08.39 | KTL | :) |
| 02:09.13 | KTL | mrapple, its not online yet, i depend on the ppl here :) |
| 02:09.17 | mrapple | submit it to images.bzflag.org |
| 02:09.22 | mrapple | and then wait a month |
| 02:09.24 | delusional | i dont have a bzflag.org address |
| 02:09.28 | mrapple | and then make the server public |
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| 02:09.53 | mrapple | Bambino could help, he has a bzflag.bz address |
| 02:10.13 | mrapple | but he's usually gone for weeks at a time ;D |
| 02:23.07 | KTL | submitted something, needs to be approved first |
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| 02:30.38 | BulletCatcher | The stuck-in-teleporter problem affecting 32-bit Linux systems still exists in 2.99, but apparently can be solved there by not using a thin shim (since teleporters can sit directly on meshes). |
| 02:30.52 | KTL | shim |
| 02:31.05 | KTL | (== old-style box?) |
| 02:31.10 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 02:32.51 | BulletCatcher | I have a hypothesis that careful use of "volatile" variables may fix the problem for good, but I have not had a chance to try it. |
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| 03:01.03 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: oh, so it's *still* not fixed? |
| 03:01.21 | blast007 | maybe I was thinking of the bumping from 1.x to mesh objects |
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