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| 00:13.40 | Packman | i just discovered a very very disturbing bug |
| 00:13.59 | JeffM2501 | one of many |
| 00:14.15 | Packman | a bug that will virtually have affected everyone who has ever spawned |
| 00:14.26 | JeffM2501 | not really a surprize |
| 00:14.37 | Packman | if not already discovered, i can't imagine why it has been the same throughout all 2.0x |
| 00:14.51 | JeffM2501 | how about you say waht it is |
| 00:15.01 | Packman | getting to that; just a little traumatised :P |
| 00:15.21 | JeffM2501 | dude it's a 14 year old game, get over it |
| 00:15.22 | Packman | if you attempt to go at 0.7 times full speed backwards according to mousebox... |
| 00:15.33 | Packman | you are actually going full speed backwards |
| 00:15.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:15.50 | JeffM2501 | so... |
| 00:16.17 | Packman | it affects my plugin :P otherwise i would not have known |
| 00:16.26 | JeffM2501 | dosn't seem to affect play |
| 00:16.34 | JeffM2501 | but the server never tracked movement verywell |
| 00:16.40 | JeffM2501 | where in the client code is the bug? |
| 00:17.09 | Packman | that 30% of the bottom bit of mousebox is ignored with respect to speed |
| 00:17.20 | Packman | and that the other 70% is inflated |
| 00:17.46 | Packman | (i haven't looked in code) |
| 00:18.13 | JeffM2501 | so all you have found is that the reverse area is not linear to the formward area |
| 00:18.20 | JeffM2501 | that may be a design choice |
| 00:19.08 | JeffM2501 | what is your plugin doing with player movement anyway? |
| 00:22.07 | JeffM2501 | sounds more like you just assumed the scales were linear and they weren't |
| 00:22.39 | JeffM2501 | since I guess you are trying to replicate the client movement code on the server |
| 00:23.03 | JeffM2501 | something you'd have to do to even attempt tracking locations |
| 00:30.43 | Packman | i'm using the speed to control some aspect of a weapon |
| 00:30.59 | JeffM2501 | and how are you getting the speed for a player? form the last update? |
| 00:31.00 | Packman | i did assume the backward scale was linear, since the front side is |
| 00:31.09 | Packman | yes |
| 00:31.25 | JeffM2501 | you should probalby look over the client code |
| 00:31.44 | JeffM2501 | I think the main reson for doing that is because sometimes the lower part of the mousebox covers the chat winow |
| 00:32.03 | JeffM2501 | or since back speed is slower it makes it simpler to "jump back" |
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| 00:32.35 | JeffM2501 | so it's never been "fixed" because it's never been "broken" |
| 00:33.03 | JeffM2501 | as long as the client always uses it in a consitent way, everyone is good |
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| 00:49.49 | Packman | i have taken a brief look and there are many variables i don't understand in doMotion(), but |
| 00:50.06 | Packman | if i'm not mistaken, someone got their pluses and minuses wrong |
| 00:50.30 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 00:50.34 | JeffM2501 | that's wicked old code |
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| 01:02.15 | blast007 | Packman: that's known |
| 01:02.59 | JeffM2501 | can't realy fix it with out a protcoll change |
| 01:03.05 | JeffM2501 | since all clients should match |
| 01:03.20 | blast007 | I don't even see a good reason to |
| 01:04.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah if it just affects input |
| 01:04.27 | JeffM2501 | and does it consistently everywhere |
| 01:04.48 | blast007 | I think it's just that the speed is clamped to 0.5 |
| 01:05.03 | blast007 | so moving past the bottom quarter of the screen is all the same for speed |
| 01:05.36 | Packman | yeah i guess |
| 01:06.33 | Packman | just intuitively, one would think printing a large box meant all of it was used |
| 01:06.53 | blast007 | is the box even used for motion? |
| 01:06.56 | JeffM2501 | heh that inplies logical design :) |
| 01:07.15 | blast007 | I thought the whole window was used for movement |
| 01:07.39 | JeffM2501 | the box is the max and min |
| 01:07.46 | JeffM2501 | it's "sensitivlty" |
| 01:08.21 | blast007 | I've never bothered to adjust it since I thought it was just a GUI outline for holding the compass |
| 01:08.24 | Packman | and "oh by the way you travel slower backwards so the rest of the box is for good looks" :P |
| 01:08.28 | JeffM2501 | it's a stupid system that gives more granularity to those with larger displays |
| 01:09.56 | blast007 | also don't understand why that is an issue for the plugin |
| 01:10.12 | blast007 | why do you care where their mouse is? you have their velocity |
| 01:10.17 | JeffM2501 | it should not be all he has to do is look at the world speed vector |
| 01:10.28 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:10.33 | JeffM2501 | he probalby just found it in testing |
| 01:10.36 | JeffM2501 | \ |
| 01:10.58 | Packman | yeah, just expected going .7 of the box would result in 0.7 |
| 01:11.23 | blast007 | suprise |
| 01:11.38 | JeffM2501 | and then you tried to make some drama about it ;) |
| 01:11.57 | blast007 | we had enough of that yesterday to last a week |
| 01:11.59 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:12.52 | kierra | no, i dont |
| 01:12.57 | kierra | oops |
| 01:13.04 | JeffM2501 | yes you do |
| 01:13.14 | kierra | ofc....but only some know |
| 01:13.31 | JeffM2501 | we've all seen the video |
| 01:14.04 | blast007 | it was shopped. I can tell by the pixels. |
| 01:15.14 | kierra | lol |
| 01:15.23 | kierra | i look better in rl :P |
| 01:16.20 | Packman | lol |
| 01:17.01 | Packman | how else can you tell |
| 01:17.38 | kierra | :x |
| 01:17.54 | JeffM2501 | I read that article you linked yesterday, was an interesting read |
| 01:18.02 | JeffM2501 | won't work for bzflag but still interesting |
| 01:21.41 | blast007 | JeffM2501: different pacman |
| 01:21.50 | JeffM2501 | why is there more then one? |
| 01:21.59 | blast007 | extra man |
| 01:22.09 | JeffM2501 | heh, one up |
| 01:22.36 | kierra | packman vs pacman |
| 01:22.49 | kierra | confusng yes if you dont know the 2 |
| 01:22.58 | JeffM2501 | you should fix that |
| 01:23.11 | blast007 | I just wonder what happened to pacmen 2 through 86 |
| 01:23.30 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't pretty |
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| 02:20.35 | trepan | Packman: if that little thing traumatized you, i suggest you stop reading through the code |
| 02:20.44 | trepan | real issues are likely to kill you |
| 02:21.23 | Packman | lol it wasn't really about the code trepan |
| 02:21.43 | trepan | it was about a behaviour that the code produces |
| 02:21.43 | JeffM2501 | there isn't anything other then the code really |
| 02:22.05 | Packman | my reaction merely reflected that after 5 years i still didn't know what drives a tank (efficiently) |
| 02:22.11 | trepan | hence, it was about the code (especially given that you seemed to be reading through it) |
| 02:22.19 | JeffM2501 | you still don't |
| 02:22.28 | Packman | i hadn't read the code before my reaction |
| 02:22.44 | trepan | fair enough; either way, trivial :) |
| 02:23.16 | Packman | perhaps i will die of code anyway, but not from bzflag and not at present thanks :P |
| 02:23.50 | trepan | you have other dramatic code to scan through |
| 02:23.56 | trepan | s/dramatic/traumatic/ ? |
| 02:24.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:24.51 | Packman | no, but i don't write off the possibility |
| 02:25.01 | Packman | in the future |
| 02:25.26 | trepan | good for you, keepin' an open mind an all that ;-) |
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| 03:13.36 | kierra | smoothiliscious |
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| 03:22.04 | smoooth | heyo k |
| 03:22.12 | kierra | :) |
| 03:22.32 | smoooth | im a bit slow :) |
| 03:22.55 | kierra | confession is the better part of valor |
| 03:23.07 | kierra | takes liberties with quotes |
| 03:31.24 | Foo_man_choo | knotty |
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| 23:29.09 | Packman | Concerning trepan's dummy player static void AddDummyPlayer(int playerID, const std::string& dummyName): |
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| 23:30.35 | Packman | Could adding the player without removing it (unlike IncrementScore) result in some erratic behaviour with bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent? |
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