| 00:04.46 | JefferyM | can you even get SCSI 160 drives anymore? |
| 00:06.01 | TimRiker | it's running a server. that's back online now too. |
| 00:06.44 | TimRiker | no idea if the drives are available anywhere. I'll poke around on ebay and see. |
| 00:07.08 | TimRiker | I'm mirroring data from m.b.o now. I'll get a mysql mirror going sometime too. |
| 00:07.12 | JefferyM | newegg only has 320s, dunno they are pin comptatable |
| 00:07.38 | JefferyM | and at a price that would pay for a vps for a number of years ;) |
| 00:07.42 | TimRiker | the machine has 6 18.2GB drives in it now. :) |
| 00:08.02 | JefferyM | wow, what ever will you do with all the space? :) |
| 00:08.16 | TimRiker | dunno. it's no where's near full now. :) |
| 00:08.41 | JefferyM | are the others in the same batch of drives? will they fail soon too? |
| 00:10.08 | blast007 | heck, for bzflag.org, a cheap web hosting plan would be more than enough :P I don't think it even uses a database anymore. |
| 00:10.18 | TimRiker | well, looks like this one failed about 2 years ago, and nobody notices. so is that a no? |
| 00:10.27 | JefferyM | wow |
| 00:11.35 | TimRiker | blast007, huh? the phpbb uses a db. also used for server list tracking, stats, etc. |
| 00:11.55 | JefferyM | that's part of my, not the mainsite |
| 00:12.04 | TimRiker | both on the same machine. |
| 00:12.05 | blast007 | TimRiker: bzflag.org. not my.bzflag.org |
| 00:12.16 | blast007 | so? they're not the same ;) |
| 00:12.23 | blast007 | one uses a database, the other does not |
| 00:12.24 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 00:12.56 | blast007 | b.o could be all static files if we really wanted, as there's really not that much there anymore |
| 00:12.57 | TimRiker | I expect to get around to merging stats,my and b.o as part of this. |
| 00:13.02 | blast007 | most of the info has been pushed to the wiki |
| 00:13.19 | JefferyM | TimRiker, honestly.. you've said that for nearly a decade |
| 00:13.20 | blast007 | why? |
| 00:13.31 | JefferyM | there is another plan for stats that's mostly implemented |
| 00:13.45 | TimRiker | a decade? well, not quite that long. :) |
| 00:13.53 | JefferyM | closer then further |
| 00:14.00 | blast007 | how much RAM does that PIII server have? |
| 00:14.02 | TimRiker | perhaps |
| 00:14.06 | TimRiker | checks |
| 00:14.13 | JefferyM | it is 2011 |
| 00:14.30 | TimRiker | 1.5G |
| 00:14.41 | JefferyM | the current stats system isn't great, there is a new one that has the game servers send up data to a central database |
| 00:14.55 | JefferyM | then it has an API for websites to pull out delta changes |
| 00:15.20 | TimRiker | that sounds more sane |
| 00:15.26 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 00:15.40 | JefferyM | what problem are you trying to solve with the machine? |
| 00:15.48 | TimRiker | works with 2.x servers? |
| 00:15.56 | JefferyM | it can if they install a plugin |
| 00:16.09 | JefferyM | 3 does it by default for all public games |
| 00:16.17 | TimRiker | no real problem, I just figure I'll start spending some time on the issues at hand. |
| 00:16.42 | JefferyM | if you want honestly, manage the project and get a release out |
| 00:16.52 | JefferyM | bzflag is stagnated dead from a development standpoint |
| 00:17.16 | JefferyM | changes to servers are pointless when you've got almost 6 years into a release |
| 00:17.22 | TimRiker | nods. certainly plan to look into that |
| 00:17.47 | JefferyM | other then that getting auth off phpbb should be your next concern |
| 00:17.58 | TimRiker | why? |
| 00:18.05 | JefferyM | cus it's unstable as heck |
| 00:18.12 | JefferyM | has a single point of failure |
| 00:18.13 | blast007 | and slow |
| 00:18.24 | blast007 | we have to load 3MB of PHP files every time someone auths |
| 00:18.29 | JefferyM | on an unreliable server, with what looks like a questionable backup server |
| 00:18.31 | blast007 | just for UTF-8 handling |
| 00:18.38 | TimRiker | so have we had major downtime due to phpbb failures? |
| 00:18.40 | JefferyM | the work has been done to use ldap |
| 00:18.47 | blast007 | TimRiker: yes |
| 00:18.55 | JefferyM | the list server responds to probalby 70% of it's requests |
| 00:19.10 | JefferyM | five nines it is not |
| 00:19.27 | JefferyM | honestly I think you should get yoruself reaquanted with the project you left |
| 00:19.37 | JefferyM | before you start throwing arround changes. |
| 00:19.42 | TimRiker | sounds like a good place to start |
| 00:19.56 | TimRiker | I'm doing a backup now. no changes there. :) |
| 00:20.39 | JefferyM | for auth there is the bzaud proejct that was part of the SOC for 2 years running |
| 00:20.48 | JefferyM | it's got a lot of code |
| 00:21.09 | TimRiker | usable starting point? |
| 00:21.12 | JefferyM | very |
| 00:21.23 | TimRiker | k. I'll check it out. |
| 00:21.27 | JefferyM | it's well past the proof of concept phase and ready for deoplyoment polish |
| 00:21.36 | JefferyM | it simply needs a user facing interface |
| 00:21.43 | JefferyM | for account creation and group management |
| 00:21.52 | blast007 | well, maybe a bit more than that |
| 00:21.52 | JefferyM | and all of that has been speced out in design docs |
| 00:22.00 | JefferyM | not much more |
| 00:22.01 | blast007 | but yeah, it has the majority of the functionality there |
| 00:22.24 | JefferyM | but people don't work on important things like that |
| 00:22.35 | JefferyM | they just try to do iphone ports becaue that would be kewl |
| 00:22.39 | JefferyM | :) |
| 00:22.51 | TimRiker | iphone's dead. do an android port. :) |
| 00:23.05 | JefferyM | iphone is far from dead |
| 00:23.13 | JefferyM | and the android port would be a lot harder |
| 00:23.17 | TimRiker | I figure if we're trolling now... :) |
| 00:23.21 | JefferyM | but still the game isn't suited for a phone interface |
| 00:23.22 | blast007 | "I was gonna do an iPhone port, but the alarm didn't go of, so I overslept" |
| 00:23.31 | brad | lol blast |
| 00:23.34 | JefferyM | heh |
| 00:23.35 | blast007 | TimRiker: well, someone *is* trying an iPhone port ;) |
| 00:23.43 | JefferyM | and a DS port |
| 00:23.52 | TimRiker | kewl |
| 00:23.59 | blast007 | wasn't the one for the DS just a new game? |
| 00:24.03 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:24.17 | JefferyM | homebrew hacking stuff is pointless in the long run |
| 00:24.31 | JefferyM | from a project standpoint |
| 00:24.56 | TimRiker | there is a native opengl-es interface on android, so it should be possible to just create a full screen intent with java, and then run most of the standard codebase under that. not that I'm planning to start working on it. |
| 00:25.07 | JefferyM | oh also someone wanted to know what you did with the donations |
| 00:25.43 | TimRiker | they go to dns registration and such. not seen any in a quite some time now. |
| 00:25.53 | JefferyM | thats waht I told em |
| 00:26.56 | JefferyM | they seemed to indicate that they had donated a somewhat signifigant ammount to them and were concerned |
| 00:28.06 | TimRiker | well, if someone has donated something significant, I also wonder where it is. I'll do up a summary sometime, but I'd guess we've gotten less than $300 over the life of the project. |
| 00:28.30 | JefferyM | that's more then I figured you would have |
| 00:28.53 | JefferyM | brlcad still has several thousand dollars of SOC money |
| 00:29.04 | TimRiker | I've never seen any of that. |
| 00:29.12 | JefferyM | I know |
| 00:29.21 | JefferyM | I'm just reminding people that it's still there |
| 00:29.29 | TimRiker | wow. 4.8G of files on b.bz. really? |
| 00:29.33 | JefferyM | I still have the 500 I use for shirts |
| 00:30.24 | TimRiker | where did that come from? |
| 00:30.30 | JefferyM | first SOC |
| 00:30.33 | TimRiker | ah |
| 00:30.34 | JefferyM | and I keep rolling it over |
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| 00:31.02 | TimRiker | makes sense |
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| 00:48.28 | JefferyM | so what else is on your new years resolutions list? |
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| 00:53.28 | TimRiker | heh. probably getting a new job |
| 00:54.38 | JefferyM | that sucks |
| 00:56.59 | TimRiker | yeah. the phone project keeps claiming it'll get fully funded, but not happened. |
| 00:57.50 | JefferyM | phones are serious biz these days |
| 00:57.52 | JefferyM | and tablets |
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| 01:06.40 | TimRiker | nods and cranks up some Information Society |
| 01:10.59 | TimRiker | cleaned up a bunch of permissions on b.bz |
| 01:59.11 | AAA_awright | blast007: PHP is using APC or some optcode cache right? |
| 01:59.24 | blast007 | nope |
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| 02:00.57 | AAA_awright | blast007: You seriously want that installed, that's the single biggest peformance boost PHP can get |
| 02:01.20 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I know all about it |
| 02:01.35 | JefferyM | the system is ram bound, there are too many other things runing on it |
| 02:01.51 | blast007 | 72MB into swap right now |
| 02:01.59 | JefferyM | sad |
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| 02:38.06 | AAA_awright | That sounds of "We can't put energy into saving energy because we would have to expend energy and we don't have enough energy to save energy" or something. |
| 02:38.06 | AAA_awright | Perhaps it's time to look into a different webserver software and tune the database? Do some caching so you don't have to hit the database at all? |
| 02:43.10 | JefferyM | you'd have to fully find out what is wrong first, so just replacing the webserver and hoping that is the problem is not a good solution |
| 02:43.24 | JefferyM | the one thing that is known is that bzflag.bz is just NOT a good host |
| 02:43.41 | JefferyM | that's the main problem, fix that then seee what needs optimization |
| 02:46.26 | JefferyM | you could replace the webserver on the curent machine and it'd still crap out when it has to hit swap cus the machine is out of ram due to IRC scripts |
| 02:47.04 | JefferyM | if you want to move the list to a better machine there are plenty of us that have offered |
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| 08:46.56 | Jacko_H | Wow it's TimRiker |
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