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| 18:02.54 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 192.168.0.197:5154 |
| 18:05.48 | BulletCatcher | That is a private IP address. |
| 18:05.49 | BulletCatcher | You will have to advertise your server's public address to get listed. |
| 18:07.38 | dakotamuller | How do I fix this issue? |
| 18:07.51 | dakotamuller | Its beeb getting on my nerves for days now.. |
| 18:07.56 | dakotamuller | been* |
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| 18:09.21 | BulletCatcher | Your IRC connection is from 70.32.203.0, so use that if your bzflag server is on the same host from which you run IRC. |
| 18:10.24 | dakotamuller | Ok, I am trying that, but thats from my broadband modem, I set that IP in the config file then I set the router to forward the server traffic to my server behind the router as a virtual server option. |
| 18:11.09 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 70.32.203.0:5154 |
| 18:14.17 | BulletCatcher | That will work when the router is forwarding correctly. |
| 18:15.00 | BulletCatcher | Do you have a host firewall on the bzfs server? |
| 18:15.34 | dakotamuller | yes, but the port is open that its on. |
| 18:16.58 | dakotamuller | Should I have UDP enabled on the virtual server option? |
| 18:18.55 | BulletCatcher | Both TCP and UDP for port 5154 need to be open and forwarded. |
| 18:19.05 | dakotamuller | ok. |
| 18:21.33 | dakotamuller | do I also still need to fadd an exception for port 5154 or will the virttual server config do that already? |
| 18:21.40 | dakotamuller | add* |
| 18:22.33 | joevano | don't know... depends on your router |
| 18:22.43 | BulletCatcher | I don't know anything about your virtual server, but it shouldn't hurt to add it just to be sure. |
| 18:23.28 | dakotamuller | ok, I did. |
| 18:23.46 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 70.32.203.0:5154 |
| 18:24.06 | BulletCatcher | You may need to restart your router to make the change take effect. |
| 18:24.26 | dakotamuller | opps, forgot to turn start the server.. |
| 18:25.24 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 70.32.203.0:5154 |
| 18:25.53 | dakotamuller | in my config file should the public server address be the local server address or the public IP address? |
| 18:26.23 | joevano | public |
| 18:26.32 | BulletCatcher | Yes, public. |
| 18:27.42 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 70.32.203.0:5154 |
| 18:28.19 | dakotamuller | ok...whats going on here? |
| 18:28.42 | JefferyM | your server isn't responding to requests from the internet |
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| 18:29.17 | BulletCatcher | Your router isn't forwarding correctly, or a firewall is blocking incoming connections. |
| 18:29.33 | JefferyM | or the ISP blocks listens |
| 18:29.55 | dakotamuller | the firewall on my local server has port 5154 open.. |
| 18:29.58 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (~jolie@unaffiliated/kierra) |
| 18:30.07 | Cobra_Fast | open in both directions? |
| 18:30.09 | BulletCatcher | I get a "connection timed out" error when trying to connect to 70.32.203.0:5154. |
| 18:30.48 | JefferyM | what kind of internet connection is it? |
| 18:32.24 | dakotamuller | Broadband |
| 18:32.35 | JefferyM | that isn't descriptive enough |
| 18:32.39 | JefferyM | everyone has "broadband" |
| 18:32.45 | JefferyM | cable or DSL and what speeds? |
| 18:33.01 | dakotamuller | I added an IP inbond filter to allow incoming traffic on my local servers IP. |
| 18:33.36 | dakotamuller | I have a 3G wireless braodband modem with about 300k sppeds. |
| 18:33.44 | JefferyM | oh my... |
| 18:33.52 | JefferyM | that's going to suck as a server |
| 18:33.57 | JefferyM | and they probably block incoming |
| 18:34.00 | dakotamuller | nI know.. |
| 18:34.01 | joevano | you will have a hard time with that |
| 18:34.15 | JefferyM | those arn't intended to host services |
| 18:34.17 | dakotamuller | I know the speeds wont support many players. |
| 18:34.25 | JefferyM | the lag is going to be horrible |
| 18:34.29 | dakotamuller | Its all i got to work with.. |
| 18:34.43 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 70.32.203.0:5154 |
| 18:34.46 | JefferyM | but I'll bet they won't even allow game hosting, or any kind of hosting |
| 18:34.54 | joevano | it probably wouldnt support 3-4 |
| 18:35.21 | JefferyM | I've never seen a .0 IP address assigned to a client before |
| 18:35.29 | blast007 | I already ban people that *play* over 3G |
| 18:35.38 | JefferyM | go to http://www.whatismyip.com |
| 18:35.45 | JefferyM | does that IP match? |
| 18:36.22 | dakotamuller | My sister and I both run clients at the same time on this modem.. |
| 18:36.32 | dakotamuller | not many issues here.. |
| 18:36.59 | dakotamuller | it matches.. |
| 18:37.11 | JefferyM | yeah and what is your lag? |
| 18:37.27 | JefferyM | and connecting out through a nat is not the same as hosting |
| 18:37.39 | dakotamuller | I get lag some times..not all the time, it depends on said server. |
| 18:37.40 | JefferyM | your modem was set to that 192 address? |
| 18:38.02 | JefferyM | or was that the local IP of the server? |
| 18:38.04 | dakotamuller | no the 192 is my local LAN server. |
| 18:38.21 | JefferyM | does the modem have an external IP listed in it's connection info? |
| 18:38.34 | JefferyM | and does that IP match the 70 one? |
| 18:38.48 | JefferyM | It's possible you are double natted |
| 18:39.07 | dakotamuller | yes, thats the 70 IP, |
| 18:39.16 | dakotamuller | it maches the site you gave me. |
| 18:39.32 | JefferyM | then ether your route isn't setup right, or the ISP is blocking it |
| 18:39.45 | blast007 | the connection is probably beind some kind of NAT at the ISP |
| 18:39.52 | dakotamuller | how would I find out? |
| 18:40.03 | dakotamuller | ~bzfquery 70.32.203.0:5154 |
| 18:40.27 | JefferyM | the simplest way would be to set the server up as a DMZ for a bit and see if any traffic hits it, like even pings |
| 18:40.51 | JefferyM | but we are not networking experts and do not know about the specifics of your setup |
| 18:41.07 | dakotamuller | can you elaborate? I am new to the public server stuff. |
| 18:41.21 | JefferyM | honestly you'd be better served by spending 20$ and getting a VPS somewhere on a real machine |
| 18:41.39 | JefferyM | no we can't really elaborate, it's not our place to tell you how to setup your networking |
| 18:41.48 | JefferyM | there are many security dangers with setting it up wrong. |
| 18:42.30 | dakotamuller | You would be surprised to know hat hardware I am running the server on thats even more shocking... |
| 18:43.19 | blast007 | we're more shocked that you're trying to host on 3G ;) |
| 18:43.53 | JefferyM | yeah it's kinda pointless to have yet another server with crappy bandwith |
| 18:43.55 | blast007 | the hardware the server runs on isn't overly important as our server doesn't do a whole lot - so even a Pentium 1 would handle it just fine in most cases |
| 18:44.10 | BulletCatcher | prefers hardware that doesn't shock him |
| 18:44.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:44.16 | JefferyM | there are more servers then players now |
| 18:44.18 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:44.33 | JefferyM | yeah a cheap little VPS would be best for a good server, a lot easier to maintain too |
| 18:44.53 | JefferyM | and it won't flood out hour home connection so you can actualy use the thing you setup |
| 18:45.24 | dakotamuller | I know, but I wanted to host a server that allows modded clients, you wont find such on the server list.. thats whats diffent about my server... |
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| 18:46.18 | blast007 | dakotamuller: you can't do that anyway |
| 18:46.29 | blast007 | we do not allow cheat servers |
| 18:46.32 | JefferyM | change the protocoll number and then you can host on our list server |
| 18:46.35 | blast007 | nor are we going to help cheaters |
| 18:46.42 | dakotamuller | nwhy not? its a list server |
| 18:46.48 | JefferyM | it's our pollicy |
| 18:46.50 | blast007 | and someone from your IP range was just banned from my server for cheating |
| 18:46.57 | JefferyM | we can list servers for who ever we choose ;) |
| 18:47.03 | blast007 | (yesterday) |
| 18:47.08 | JefferyM | and deny whoever we choose |
| 18:47.22 | JefferyM | the policy allows it, as long as the protocoll is changed, then it's like a fork |
| 18:47.23 | JefferyM | not a cheat |
| 18:47.51 | dakotamuller | Well the license states that the software is distributed under the gpl so therefore is free for modification. |
| 18:47.56 | JefferyM | sure |
| 18:48.04 | JefferyM | but the list server service is not part of that license |
| 18:48.07 | JefferyM | just the software it uses |
| 18:48.16 | dakotamuller | Then the game rules would have to comply with that license. |
| 18:48.19 | blast007 | no |
| 18:48.20 | JefferyM | we can not stop you from moding it, and never wyould |
| 18:48.21 | JefferyM | nope |
| 18:48.24 | blast007 | you are wrong ;) |
| 18:48.26 | dakotamuller | because it uses said licesne |
| 18:48.28 | JefferyM | the licese is for the software not the people |
| 18:48.29 | JefferyM | nope |
| 18:48.31 | JefferyM | read the license |
| 18:48.34 | JefferyM | it's for the software |
| 18:48.35 | blast007 | you're free to set up your own list server if you want |
| 18:48.38 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 18:48.39 | blast007 | that's what the license allows for |
| 18:48.49 | JefferyM | you can run a closed source website using apache |
| 18:48.58 | dakotamuller | but eatch server mantains its own rules? |
| 18:49.02 | JefferyM | yes |
| 18:49.13 | Cobra_Fast | and the list maintains its own rules too |
| 18:49.16 | dakotamuller | I have seen no "master rules" |
| 18:49.16 | JefferyM | but we don't have to provide listing service for every server |
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| 18:49.24 | JefferyM | there is a list server pollicy |
| 18:49.28 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/List_Server_Usage_Policy |
| 18:49.28 | JefferyM | it's on the forums |
| 18:49.32 | JefferyM | and the wiki |
| 18:49.38 | JefferyM | and it ONLY applies to the list server |
| 18:49.39 | Cobra_Fast | and the common sense |
| 18:49.50 | JefferyM | so sure you CAN do whatever you want |
| 18:49.52 | blast007 | there is something in the README too, I think, about modded client/servers |
| 18:49.56 | JefferyM | but that dosn't mean we have to provide you service |
| 18:49.57 | dakotamuller | interesting.. |
| 18:50.00 | JefferyM | that's all |
| 18:50.13 | dakotamuller | Y'all think y'all would have mad that a littl more visable :) |
| 18:50.18 | dakotamuller | made* |
| 18:50.19 | JefferyM | if you want to use our list server service ( as in the data we provide, not the software) then you need to follow our pollicy |
| 18:50.31 | JefferyM | I think you should have read more ;) |
| 18:50.36 | JefferyM | and assumed less |
| 18:50.57 | JefferyM | again you are MORE then welcome to use our list server for a mod server IF you change the proto number |
| 18:51.00 | JefferyM | it's very easy to do |
| 18:51.17 | blast007 | It could be more visible, yes. But it's usually not an issue, and when it is, we can link people to that page if they have not found it otherwise. |
| 18:51.18 | JefferyM | that's why we have that in the pollicy to get people to try out new things |
| 18:51.21 | dakotamuller | Yes, but the server I am hosting is not modified, so therefore conforms to the rules, but the srver alows modded clients under its rules... |
| 18:51.38 | JefferyM | the server will allow moded data |
| 18:51.48 | dakotamuller | how so? |
| 18:51.55 | JefferyM | by allowing moded clients |
| 18:51.59 | JefferyM | so it will pass moded data |
| 18:52.14 | dakotamuller | All the modded clients I have seen just reject data or use the same commands in different ways? |
| 18:52.17 | JefferyM | in order to make those moded clients not affect normal clients we ask that you change the prococoll version |
| 18:52.26 | JefferyM | it's a pollicy thing not a techincal thing |
| 18:52.36 | JefferyM | you can do it, or you can not use our list server, it's very simple |
| 18:52.44 | blast007 | "Server owners who run cheat servers ... may be removed from the list and/or have access to other BZFlag public services revoked." |
| 18:52.52 | blast007 | it's pretty clear |
| 18:53.03 | blast007 | you want to run a server that allows cheating, thus, a cheat server |
| 18:53.03 | JefferyM | you just need to change one line in the source and rebuild |
| 18:53.18 | dakotamuller | How do I change this version protical" I have no problem with conforming to protical.. |
| 18:53.29 | blast007 | it's in the buildDate.cxx file, iirc |
| 18:53.38 | blast007 | or grep for 0026 |
| 18:53.45 | JefferyM | yeah just change the network protcoll to some other number |
| 18:53.50 | dakotamuller | ok, thanx, does my client need this aswell? |
| 18:53.54 | JefferyM | yes |
| 18:53.54 | blast007 | yes |
| 18:54.07 | dakotamuller | ok, And this number means?? |
| 18:54.15 | JefferyM | by changing that number then you will only be vissable by others that have the same number |
| 18:54.27 | JefferyM | it's used to filter out clients in the list server |
| 18:54.35 | blast007 | it was mainly just incremented when we made changes that were not compatible |
| 18:54.42 | JefferyM | it's how we run 2.0.x server and 3.0 servers in the same list |
| 18:54.49 | JefferyM | but each client only sees compatable servers. |
| 18:54.56 | dakotamuller | Ah...ok, but would this filter out the client from normal servers aswell? |
| 18:55.01 | JefferyM | yes |
| 18:55.07 | JefferyM | that's the point of the pollicy |
| 18:55.10 | blast007 | your client would only see your modified servers |
| 18:55.12 | dakotamuller | ok i see.. |
| 18:55.16 | JefferyM | so that the moded clients can't be used on normal servers |
| 18:55.20 | JefferyM | then everyone is happy |
| 18:55.21 | blast007 | since the protocol number indicates compatability |
| 18:55.38 | JefferyM | moders get to play with mods, normal people don't have to deal with it. |
| 18:56.20 | dakotamuller | ok. Just a question, what is a cheat server? I mean what could you posibly modify to make it do anything "odd" , modding the client makes sence but a modded server? |
| 18:56.22 | blast007 | if you only intend to play solo games, you don't even need to list the server publically |
| 18:56.38 | blast007 | "cheat server" usually just means a server that allows cheating |
| 18:56.43 | JefferyM | if you advertise that you allow cheats and moded clients |
| 18:56.49 | blast007 | it doens't imply that the server itself has been modified |
| 18:56.56 | dakotamuller | ok. |
| 18:57.45 | dakotamuller | But I thought that if I advertize the "normal" client players have a choice to either use the server or not if it is openly advertized, its not an 'Under the talbe" deal. |
| 18:57.53 | JefferyM | not that it'll matter since once you go public and one or 2 people join, your internet connection is going to go to crap and you'll turn it off so that you can actualy use it for stuff like web browsing ;) |
| 18:58.10 | JefferyM | it all depends on if it becomes a problem |
| 18:58.20 | JefferyM | we reserve the right to refuse listing service to anyone |
| 18:58.36 | blast007 | dakotamuller: if you advertise a server as a "cheat server", we can/will remove it from the list |
| 18:58.52 | blast007 | and that will likely involve blocking your ISP completely from the list |
| 18:59.00 | JefferyM | I don't think it'll matter, he's not going to get hosting working |
| 18:59.04 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:59.21 | dakotamuller | yes, but people have the right to choose what server they want to use, they arent forced to use said server. |
| 18:59.29 | joevano | agreed |
| 18:59.40 | JefferyM | sure they can use whatever they want, but we don't have to provide it in the list for them |
| 18:59.53 | JefferyM | we can not stop people from connecting to you and would never try to do that |
| 19:00.03 | JefferyM | but we can and will filter what we show in our list |
| 19:00.11 | joevano | and we have the right to refuse people using our server |
| 19:00.13 | JefferyM | people don't have to use your list |
| 19:00.17 | JefferyM | our list |
| 19:00.18 | dakotamuller | ok, yes I know, ok another question, how about a 3rd party list server? |
| 19:00.18 | JefferyM | sorry |
| 19:00.23 | JefferyM | go for it |
| 19:00.33 | JefferyM | client supports connecting to any URL for listing |
| 19:00.39 | blast007 | it's not trivial to set up, but you can do it |
| 19:00.48 | JefferyM | yeah there are no docs for it |
| 19:00.51 | blast007 | and it would need the ability to host ;) |
| 19:00.53 | JefferyM | and it involves phpbbg |
| 19:00.56 | JefferyM | phpbb |
| 19:01.03 | JefferyM | and some trickyness |
| 19:01.14 | JefferyM | but all the software to support it is open source |
| 19:01.16 | blast007 | also, your ISP considers more than 5GB per month to be "excessive usage" |
| 19:01.31 | blast007 | my server (Missile Wars 2.3) uses over 100GB/month |
| 19:01.43 | dakotamuller | I like using the normal clients for the game I just like to mess with the modded ones, I aint trying to start a mess. |
| 19:01.50 | JefferyM | can he even get 5gigs at 300k a sec |
| 19:02.03 | dakotamuller | Heh..good one.. |
| 19:02.08 | JefferyM | dakotamuller, you started a mess when you tried to host on 3g ;) |
| 19:02.37 | blast007 | he could |
| 19:02.44 | dakotamuller | I have actullay hit 5G on a 3G connection before in less than a month.. |
| 19:02.51 | blast007 | even at 300Kbit/sec, you can push almost 100GB |
| 19:02.55 | dakotamuller | like 2 weeks.. |
| 19:03.13 | JefferyM | a bzfs server will eat that up then |
| 19:03.13 | blast007 | and if it's KByte, it's over 700GB |
| 19:03.22 | dakotamuller | problem is though its nat a stalbe soild speed.. |
| 19:03.32 | JefferyM | that's what's going to kill your lag |
| 19:03.35 | dakotamuller | I have unlimited usage.. |
| 19:03.37 | JefferyM | you will have high jitter |
| 19:03.49 | blast007 | dakotamuller: "unlimited" in quotes |
| 19:03.58 | blast007 | if you use more than 5GB they can slow you down or cut you off |
| 19:04.09 | dakotamuller | I dont get jitter if I am wired to my router.. |
| 19:04.15 | blast007 | yes, you do :) |
| 19:04.20 | joevano | dakotamuller: that is what they SAY... |
| 19:04.21 | blast007 | it's 3G wireless internet |
| 19:04.29 | dakotamuller | yea? |
| 19:04.36 | JefferyM | it has jitter |
| 19:04.46 | dakotamuller | ok, fine.. :0 |
| 19:04.51 | joevano | you hit the 99th percentile of usage and you will start getting nasty emails |
| 19:05.22 | dakotamuller | OHHH nasty e-mails..big whoop :) |
| 19:05.46 | JefferyM | yeah it's obvious you don't know much about networking in general, so good luck. |
| 19:06.18 | blast007 | "Unlimited Data plans are designed for personal use only. nTelos reserves the right to terminate your service or change your rate plan if the service is used in an excessive manner (more than 5GB per month)." |
| 19:06.29 | dakotamuller | I know plenty, but its for local networking, not forwarding ports to open internt access. |
| 19:06.44 | JefferyM | that would be why I said networking in general ;) |
| 19:06.58 | blast007 | I don't consider that "plenty" then |
| 19:07.00 | JefferyM | local stuff is a very small subset of networking |
| 19:07.05 | joevano | nasty emails come just before they disconnect you |
| 19:07.22 | JefferyM | I dobut the ISP allows for listens anyway |
| 19:07.27 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:07.34 | dakotamuller | Well thats fine...I should get a nice cable connection withing the next year is should be out this way, thats the only reason I even have this 3G crap.. |
| 19:08.06 | JefferyM | what's the upstream on the cable? |
| 19:08.16 | joevano | that will help, but may not be much |
| 19:08.34 | blast007 | most (all?) of the popular servers are run from datacenters |
| 19:08.46 | joevano | most of the popular servers are hosted in datacenters |
| 19:08.52 | blast007 | where 10mbps upstream is the starting point |
| 19:08.55 | joevano | doh |
| 19:09.02 | blast007 | joevano: too slow ;) |
| 19:09.16 | JefferyM | when hosting it's upstream that determines the performance not the download they qote you |
| 19:09.18 | dakotamuller | I think a 10MB conection should run quite smoothly... |
| 19:09.27 | JefferyM | if it's upstream 10 sure |
| 19:09.28 | blast007 | dakotamuller: that would be 10Mbps down, not up |
| 19:09.35 | blast007 | it would probably be 1 up |
| 19:09.42 | JefferyM | most 10 meg cables are only 384k up |
| 19:09.48 | blast007 | my 8 meg is 1 up |
| 19:09.49 | JefferyM | newer ones are 1 meg |
| 19:10.01 | dakotamuller | yes I know, the up-link connection is ussaly more than half the up-link.. |
| 19:10.05 | JefferyM | wishes for some uverse |
| 19:10.16 | JefferyM | way less then half |
| 19:10.26 | joevano | the bottleneck for bzflag is upstream, and the upstream bandwith needs grow exponontially with each additional player... not linearly |
| 19:10.35 | dakotamuller | I get about 150k on my 200-300k connection? |
| 19:10.42 | blast007 | up or down? |
| 19:10.51 | JefferyM | 150k up is going to suck |
| 19:10.53 | dakotamuller | up |
| 19:10.54 | JefferyM | bigtime |
| 19:10.57 | blast007 | plus, that's a different type of connection |
| 19:11.01 | JefferyM | you are at the low end too |
| 19:11.02 | joevano | no.. it is usually considerably less |
| 19:11.07 | blast007 | so you can't base what you see there for cable and DSL |
| 19:11.12 | JefferyM | 128k is the minium upstream to be broadband |
| 19:11.24 | JefferyM | you are like "super ISDN" speeds ;) |
| 19:11.40 | blast007 | it's like several dialup modems taped together |
| 19:11.49 | JefferyM | I know some DSLs are still 128k up |
| 19:11.54 | dakotamuller | well talking from experience...ANYTHING wired that I have used is always fater than wireless, unless its a seriel conection were talking about.. |
| 19:12.01 | joevano | my cable 21Mb down has ~ 4Mb up |
| 19:12.14 | JefferyM | yes wired is generaly better |
| 19:12.24 | dakotamuller | thats less than half, its decent.. |
| 19:12.39 | JefferyM | 4 meg up is very good for a home connection |
| 19:12.56 | JefferyM | home connections are desgined for downloading not hosting |
| 19:13.07 | JefferyM | most people download more data then they send |
| 19:13.13 | blast007 | a typical dedicated server with have 10 or 100mbps up and down |
| 19:13.20 | blast007 | will* |
| 19:13.30 | JefferyM | and the bandwith cap to support it |
| 19:13.34 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:13.54 | JefferyM | and will be at a datacenter with low latency to multiple backbones |
| 19:14.07 | dakotamuller | I know, I waish I had that kinda speeds, computers have changed alot, I remeber when 6GB of hard drive space was all one would need.. |
| 19:14.25 | dakotamuller | and 128MB of ram :) |
| 19:14.29 | dakotamuller | He heh.. |
| 19:15.02 | blast007 | dakotamuller: unfortunately, many people here can remember further back than that ;) |
| 19:15.06 | blast007 | much further |
| 19:15.18 | dakotamuller | what tape reels? |
| 19:15.25 | dakotamuller | SSCSI hard drives? |
| 19:15.33 | dakotamuller | Monochrome monitors? |
| 19:15.34 | blast007 | for me, 21MB drive and 640KB RAM |
| 19:15.45 | dakotamuller | Macintosh SE? |
| 19:15.58 | BulletCatcher | Ah. The good old PDP-11 days. 64 KB of RAM and a couple of MB of disk. |
| 19:15.58 | blast007 | a PC |
| 19:16.25 | dakotamuller | oh, ok... |
| 19:16.52 | dakotamuller | Atleast we dont have to put up with dot-matrix printers anymore...I still hate printer now.. |
| 19:18.07 | blast007 | well, in any case, good luck getting your server running, but it's unlikely to work on you 3G connection. |
| 19:18.12 | blast007 | your* |
| 19:19.15 | dakotamuller | I'll probably just wait for a cable connection, keep my modded clients on local machines for testing, and open a normal server on the lit when I get my cable here. |
| 19:20.18 | dakotamuller | I think most of the proble is that I am newer to linux, so "I 'don't know where everything is yet" I know windows an mac os inside and out though.. |
| 19:20.23 | dakotamuller | problem* |
| 19:22.25 | dakotamuller | Thanks |
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