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| 00:28.05 | Cobra_Fast | a spambot flanked the bb again. |
| 00:28.48 | Cobra_Fast | looks like its from china this time |
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| 01:32.25 | CIA-105 | BZFlag: 03211.47.183.180 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7287 10/w/How_to_Clean_UGG_Slippers: New page: If you do not mind a faded appearance for your UGG slippers then you can clean them or wash them inside the washing machine. Just make sure that you dislodge unnecessary dirt first by brus... |
| 01:37.07 | CIA-105 | BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7288 10/w/How_to_Clean_UGG_Slippers: spam |
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| 01:49.14 | Constitution | ~mrapple++ |
| 01:49.22 | Constitution | nice zombie plugin |
| 02:10.35 | mrapple | aw :) |
| 02:11.07 | mrapple | ~karma mrapple |
| 02:11.07 | ibot | mrapple has karma of 2 |
| 02:11.14 | mrapple | weeeeeee |
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| 02:26.11 | Constitution | getting there |
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| 02:42.57 | AAA_awright | Constitution: Unless it's not indexed, the database backend isn't the problem... The server list is 99% the same for all requests, there's room for optimization |
| 02:43.23 | AAA_awright | I did submit a patch that could take out an entire database query for registered users |
| 02:46.37 | AAA_awright | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2901560&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 05:03.18 | Constitution | AAA_awright: I am curious where you come up with that statistic |
| 05:04.08 | AAA_awright | Constitution: There's over 200 servers per request, and typically zero but up to a dozen which are group-specific, plus maybe a private message notice. |
| 05:04.25 | Constitution | since it seems to me that most server list requests correspond to at least one authentication request which correspond to another server add message with the updated info |
| 05:05.40 | Constitution | regardless, if mysql is chocked up (for reasons other than overload *related to bzfls*), I fail to see how you can get around that |
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| 12:31.49 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I doubt you have a good understanding of *why* the system might be slow |
| 12:31.53 | blast007 | it's not just a single issue |
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| 15:19.57 | AAA_awright | blast007: No, I have no clue what the bottleneck might be, but judging from the complaining I hear, there's probably a number of ways to take load off the database |
| 15:35.07 | blast007 | the list isn't the only thing that talks to the database |
| 15:35.47 | blast007 | and I doubt that only BZFlag stuff does either |
| 15:36.06 | blast007 | now, I'm not saying that the list code/queries are efficient :) |
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| 21:09.55 | allejo | is it possible to change the license on something you released? |
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| 21:10.37 | blast007 | allejo: depends what you mean |
| 21:10.45 | a_meteorite | allejo: depends, but usually only for new versions |
| 21:11.08 | blast007 | if you release something as GPL, for instance, you can't say "it's not GPL now", but you can also license it under something else, or new versions can be different like what a_meteorite said |
| 21:11.13 | a_meteorite | retroactively... no, unless you dual-license it. you can't revoke those rights you've given already generally. |
| 21:11.58 | blast007 | and nothing stops someone from forking your original code/work that WAS under an open license and improving that |
| 21:12.00 | allejo | so new versions may be licensed with a new license but older versions cannot? |
| 21:12.07 | blast007 | sure |
| 21:12.19 | blast007 | the copyright holder can change the license for future releases |
| 21:12.35 | allejo | ah alright. thanks for the information |
| 21:12.38 | a_meteorite | Yes, and you may still add possible licenses (called dual/tri/etc licensing) to old versions |
| 21:12.48 | a_meteorite | Just as long as nothing you granted previously is revoked |
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| 21:13.53 | a_meteorite | allejo: if I may ask, what are you thinking about relicensing and to what? related to BZ? |
| 21:14.37 | allejo | i was thinking about relicensing my plugins |
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| 21:16.14 | allejo | changing gplv3 to cc attribution-shareAlike 3.0 unported |
| 21:19.56 | a_meteorite | allejo: CC really isn't designed to be used for code, just fyi, although nothing's preventing you from doing so |
| 21:20.52 | a_meteorite | you should probably continue to license under GPLv3 because CC compatibility with other licenses is not really defined, unless you don't care about that |
| 21:21.25 | a_meteorite | you can license code under multiple licenses so that users/developers can decide which license they accept |
| 21:21.45 | a_meteorite | although if your main goal is attribution, doing so means someone can decide to use GPLv3 and not attribute you |
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| 21:24.54 | allejo | oh right... i hadn't thought about that |
| 21:25.58 | a_meteorite | if you want known license cross-compatibility, it's best to stick with well-known licenses that are meant for source code |
| 21:26.12 | a_meteorite | although to be honest GPLv3 is quite incompatible |
| 21:26.52 | allejo | any suggestions for a good license? |
| 21:27.22 | a_meteorite | that depends on your intentions |
| 21:27.33 | a_meteorite | MIT/BSD are the most compatible and the most liberal |
| 21:28.06 | a_meteorite | I really like them since it does not enforce any person's version of freedom |
| 21:28.34 | a_meteorite | All they do is disclaim liability and put a copyright notice on them, users/developers can do as they wish |
| 21:28.50 | a_meteorite | One of the variations prevents people from using your name/company for endorsement/marketing |
| 21:29.04 | a_meteorite | Mostly that's because of liability issues |
| 21:29.26 | a_meteorite | Er did my client just underline version of freedom? Whacky client... not intentional :) |
| 21:30.10 | trepan | GPLv3 has an attribution clause (7.b) |
| 21:30.27 | a_meteorite | Oh, another reason to stay away from GPLv3 then :) |
| 21:31.13 | a_meteorite | trepan: for the most part shouldn't the developer of GPLv3 software include some sort of mechanism then so that attribution is provided? like say for a plugin, at plugin load, print something out |
| 21:31.26 | a_meteorite | should probably read the clause |
| 21:32.44 | trepan | fwiw, section 7. is for "Addition Terms" |
| 21:32.52 | a_meteorite | ah, yeah |
| 21:32.59 | trepan | *Additional |
| 21:33.34 | a_meteorite | so I think in that case allejo would have to make that additional term |
| 21:33.45 | trepan | yes, that's the basic idea |
| 21:36.12 | allejo | what do you mean by "make that additional term"? |
| 21:36.41 | a_meteorite | From the GPLv3 text: "If you add terms to a covered work in accord with this section, you must place, in the relevant source files, a statement of the additional terms that apply to those files, or a notice indicating where to find the applicable terms. Additional terms, permissive or non-permissive, may be stated in the form of a separately written license, or stated as exceptions; the above requirements apply either way." |
| 21:37.28 | a_meteorite | Do note that doing that to previous versions retroactively means you must make those extra terms, whatever they be, optional. |
| 21:37.41 | a_meteorite | To new source code releases that is not necessary since you're the copyright holder |
| 21:38.36 | a_meteorite | Probably best not to do it to previous versions retroactively since that's bound to cause confusion (instead of a simple adding another licence) |
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| 21:43.04 | allejo | i think i'll with licensing future versions to BSD |
| 21:43.16 | allejo | i'l go* |
| 21:43.16 | a_meteorite | yay :) |
| 21:47.08 | allejo | can the only change to a new version be a change to the license? |
| 21:47.25 | a_meteorite | sure |
| 21:47.42 | a_meteorite | you can also relicense previous versions to be GPLv3 and New BSD |
| 21:48.23 | allejo | alright. thanks for your help a_meteorite :) |
| 21:48.30 | a_meteorite | no problem |
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