| 00:01.11 | Murielle | showdown.bzflag.net : 4360 (USA) and vps2.moooo.org : 4360 (EUROPE). maybe u would need to create a team at showdown.bzflag.net |
| 00:02.17 | Murielle | once again, it would be sad people do not help me because they could think Vika is involved in this project. But the truth is that i am the only one who is involved in this project |
| 00:02.24 | Murielle | and i really need help |
| 00:02.26 | Murielle | really |
| 00:03.22 | sigonasr2 | vika? As if that really matters... |
| 00:03.51 | Murielle | it seems it does for some people |
| 00:03.55 | Murielle | sad |
| 00:04.02 | Murielle | because i am quite alone |
| 00:05.04 | sigonasr2 | I'll help test it I suppose |
| 00:05.07 | delusional | looks like there's 2 identical servers |
| 00:05.11 | jh` | im there |
| 00:05.17 | blast007 | I'm not there |
| 00:05.52 | Murielle | no identical server? |
| 00:06.09 | Murielle | same maps but no same place |
| 00:06.12 | delusional | we cant talk or spawn |
| 00:06.20 | Murielle | allso...it is a duc map for now |
| 00:06.25 | Murielle | ah |
| 00:06.26 | Murielle | wait |
| 00:06.34 | Murielle | i am going to use league assistant |
| 00:06.45 | jh` | ll |
| 00:06.46 | jh` | ol |
| 00:07.25 | Murielle | notmal |
| 00:07.28 | Murielle | normal |
| 00:07.35 | Murielle | u need a team to test it |
| 00:07.43 | Murielle | so u need to login to website |
| 00:07.51 | Murielle | there is a global login |
| 00:07.56 | delusional | cant make teams there |
| 00:08.07 | delusional | showdown league.... coming soon. |
| 00:08.07 | Murielle | login delu |
| 00:08.12 | Murielle | yes |
| 00:08.20 | Murielle | i have not time for the content |
| 00:08.25 | Murielle | i am alone! |
| 00:08.33 | Murielle | but delusional, login |
| 00:08.40 | Murielle | then u can create team |
| 00:09.20 | blast007 | how is a league going to be run by a single person? |
| 00:09.51 | Murielle | that is how league_assistant come, blast |
| 00:09.56 | Murielle | where* |
| 00:10.14 | blast007 | is it a cool robot that shoots lasers from it's eyes? |
| 00:10.20 | blast007 | its* |
| 00:10.23 | Murielle | no |
| 00:10.30 | blast007 | aw |
| 00:10.41 | Murielle | but it can code within your cellphone |
| 00:10.55 | Murielle | anyway |
| 00:10.56 | blast007 | so, you're saying it's inefficient? |
| 00:10.57 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:11.09 | Murielle | it is efficient |
| 00:11.15 | Murielle | not finished yet |
| 00:11.22 | blast007 | no, if it was efficient it would code on a PC |
| 00:11.36 | blast007 | not a cell phone with a monochrome screen |
| 00:11.43 | Murielle | some people would prefer a Mac |
| 00:11.55 | delusional | ok i made a team and can now spawn |
| 00:12.17 | blast007 | so is a mac an impersonal computer? |
| 00:12.33 | Murielle | u see? |
| 00:12.44 | Murielle | league assistant ass you on spawnlist:) |
| 00:13.03 | Murielle | actually..spawnlist is maintained by league_assistant |
| 00:13.27 | delusional | delusers are winners |
| 00:13.43 | blast007 | was that supposed to be 'adds'? |
| 00:13.51 | delusional | nice name for a team? Delusers. |
| 00:15.08 | Murielle | design of the website sucks |
| 00:16.16 | blast007 | is it based on web-league? |
| 00:18.42 | Murielle | yes |
| 00:18.56 | Murielle | it is the only code that i can be use NOW |
| 00:19.00 | blast007 | then the code of the website sucks too |
| 00:19.03 | Murielle | others are not finished |
| 00:19.07 | Murielle | yes |
| 00:19.10 | blast007 | have fun with your security flaws |
| 00:19.13 | Murielle | but i have nothing more |
| 00:19.26 | Murielle | maybe u could show me? |
| 00:19.33 | Murielle | so i would fix some of them |
| 00:20.00 | blast007 | open any file |
| 00:20.02 | blast007 | there's one |
| 00:20.09 | blast007 | and there's another |
| 00:20.18 | blast007 | close the file |
| 00:20.21 | blast007 | delete the files |
| 00:20.23 | blast007 | holes fixed |
| 00:22.17 | JefferyM | yeah webleague is prety old |
| 00:22.33 | JefferyM | you need to make sure it dosn't run out of tacos |
| 00:24.04 | blast007 | that was the other thing that ran out of tacos |
| 00:24.17 | JefferyM | well I'm sure wl can run out too |
| 00:24.25 | blast007 | probably |
| 00:24.37 | Murielle | ok |
| 00:24.41 | delusional | can i have a taco? |
| 00:24.41 | blast007 | or it could just go all geocities on itself |
| 00:24.43 | Murielle | but what is a hole? |
| 00:24.45 | blast007 | or rick roll someone |
| 00:24.52 | JefferyM | webleague tends to turn upside down often IIRC |
| 00:24.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:25.19 | JefferyM | rickrolled a developer here with dll imbeded in a bug report |
| 00:25.41 | delusional | so I CAN have a taco. |
| 00:25.51 | JefferyM | System.Forms.WebBrowser is a fun control |
| 00:26.44 | Murielle | well i have a new concept for a league |
| 00:26.53 | Murielle | but ineed autoreporting |
| 00:27.06 | JefferyM | is there a horse? and everyone has a stick, and they beat it? ;) |
| 00:27.30 | Murielle | hum |
| 00:28.03 | JefferyM | use 3.0 and make the game servers be the leauge website ;) |
| 00:28.08 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:28.42 | JefferyM | libmysql is prety easy to use |
| 00:29.11 | blast007 | or just provide a web API via a plugin to pull match data |
| 00:29.26 | blast007 | or something |
| 00:29.42 | delusional | dont make a horse angry http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bzMim0lmERY/TG5wVSKbHGI/AAAAAAAAAH0/eFqmJU8lxZg/s1600/scrambledeggfacedboystealscanofsoda.jpg |
| 00:29.48 | JefferyM | yeah lots of things are possible |
| 00:30.05 | blast007 | though pushing is probably better than polling for that sort of thing.. |
| 00:30.25 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:30.31 | JefferyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.39 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:30.40 | blast007 | the curl stuff |
| 00:30.47 | JefferyM | webjob :) |
| 00:31.25 | Murielle | u tested the website?but iwanted u to test the plugin |
| 00:33.13 | blast007 | what website? |
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| 00:51.27 | JefferyM | there is more then one website? |
| 00:57.28 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03runic * r21295 10/trunk/bzworkbench/include/render/RGBA.h: - actually return the named color |
| 01:01.44 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03runic * r21296 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 01:01.44 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: - add some support for some material attributes on the bz objects themselves |
| 01:01.44 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: - expand MaterialWidget to include some object material control |
| 01:01.44 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: - revamp scroll area in material tabs to use a Fl_Pack |
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| 02:16.05 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03runic * r21297 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/ (dialogs/AdvancedOptionsDialog.cpp widgets/MaterialWidget.cpp): |
| 02:16.05 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: - fix redraw on Advance Dialog (Text would get bolder after redraw) |
| 02:16.05 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: - some clean up in MaterialWidget |
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| 05:05.46 | jcp | names |
| 05:05.47 | jcp | gah |
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| 08:23.00 | Murielle | what if someone modify the client to not receive public, pm and team message? is it a cheat or is it allow? |
| 08:23.24 | Murielle | because it is not possible to do /silent all |
| 08:23.32 | jh` | no? |
| 08:23.46 | jh` | how about /silent * |
| 08:23.56 | Murielle | it works? |
| 08:24.01 | jh` | not sure |
| 08:24.14 | Murielle | let try, jh...go to 2tanks |
| 08:24.19 | jh` | k |
| 08:26.09 | Murielle | i am waiting for u? |
| 08:26.19 | jh` | im in wrong server i guess |
| 08:26.28 | Murielle | two tanks |
| 08:28.46 | Murielle | ;) |
| 08:29.00 | Murielle | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.32 | brad | why would that be a cheat? |
| 08:29.44 | jh` | but ive heard it can be done |
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| 10:29.58 | blast007 | Murielle: ignoring * should ignore all chat |
| 10:30.23 | jh` | it says no such nick |
| 10:30.55 | jh` | if you try /silence * |
| 10:31.37 | blast007 | k*<enter> |
| 10:31.48 | blast007 | doesn't seem to work via the command |
| 10:31.55 | jh` | ah |
| 10:32.16 | jh` | and how do you remove it? |
| 10:32.25 | blast007 | k*<enter> |
| 10:32.32 | blast007 | ;) |
| 10:33.46 | jh` | simple |
| 10:37.06 | joevano | why would it be considered a cheat anyway? it gives no advantage and if anything it is a disadvantage |
| 10:37.30 | jh` | if you play ag. asmeoous it could be an advantage |
| 10:37.56 | jh` | he likes to pm his opponent |
| 10:38.01 | blast007 | main problem with it is that if an admin is telling you to stop something you will appear to be ignoring them |
| 10:38.19 | joevano | that is a big disadvantage ;-) |
| 10:38.27 | honeytank | ;) |
| 10:38.56 | honeytank | lol, asme is kinda funny when matching him :D |
| 10:39.08 | jh` | or with |
| 10:39.29 | honeytank | it's pretty cool if he tries to dristract you |
| 10:39.32 | jh` | need some sense of humour |
| 10:46.24 | jh` | like in bzflag development |
| 11:01.09 | jh` | to kill it or not to kill it |
| 11:05.33 | blast007 | to commit or not to commit |
| 11:06.10 | jh` | lol |
| 11:09.03 | jh` | wonder would jeff commit |
| 11:12.51 | jh` | btw is there a history of user commits in bzflag project? could not find it from sf |
| 11:13.14 | jh` | perhaps wasnt looking too closely.. |
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| 12:37.42 | honeytank | lol blast |
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| 13:16.23 | trepan | jh`: learn to use SVN |
| 13:17.30 | dhouthoo | Hi, since a few days every game we play has a nighttime setting. HAs anything changed in the way bzflag determines time of the day? |
| 13:18.09 | trepan | have you been playing later than usual? |
| 13:18.12 | dhouthoo | we always play at noon, and always had a daytime setting ... until a few days ago |
| 13:18.42 | trepan | it can be configured using BZDB variables |
| 13:18.48 | dhouthoo | we always host locally on our laptops |
| 13:19.08 | trepan | doing a '/diff' will show you the server BZDB that differ from the standard configuration |
| 13:19.17 | trepan | s/BZDB/BZDB variables/ |
| 13:20.16 | dhouthoo | ok thx |
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| 14:35.27 | honeytank | blast is so cute :D |
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| 15:28.24 | temporalD | he's got a wart right on his big nose! |
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| 15:53.06 | Murielle | is there a way to silence all but some players? |
| 16:02.29 | Murielle | ping blast007 |
| 16:02.55 | Murielle | how many people are on your isp, temporalD ? |
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| 16:04.19 | BulletCatcher | You can silence all players with *, or specific players by callsign, but there is no way to specify "all players but ..." |
| 16:04.59 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: hello |
| 16:05.04 | BulletCatcher | Hi |
| 16:05.15 | honeytank | what about inventing like /silence * NOT playername, playername |
| 16:05.26 | BulletCatcher | It doesn't work that way. |
| 16:05.52 | Murielle | i have done /silence * |
| 16:05.55 | Murielle | it works |
| 16:05.56 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: any question: i how Normal user (register), can make /silence callsing,.... |
| 16:06.12 | Murielle | then i tried to unsilenceaplayer, but it doesnt work |
| 16:06.24 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: but then i not can unsilence on any servers, Because? |
| 16:06.42 | TASAIRES | hahaha on DUO! |
| 16:07.01 | Murielle | -_- |
| 16:07.04 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: Muriel and Me some question! |
| 16:07.28 | BulletCatcher | When you start the bzflag client it lists all of the silenced callsigns. |
| 16:07.35 | honeytank | TASAIRES: BulletCatcher is not supposed to answere your questions... |
| 16:07.45 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: there othe mothe to unsilence how normal player? |
| 16:07.59 | JefferyM | wow |
| 16:08.08 | BulletCatcher | If BulletCatcher is on the list, then send (to all) the message "/unsilence BulletCatcher" (without the quotes). |
| 16:08.33 | BulletCatcher | That message will not actually be sent to all players. |
| 16:08.51 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: yes and i have one palyer 3 time on silence list, but no can unsilence! |
| 16:09.15 | BulletCatcher | Be sure to type the callsign exactly as it appears on the list. |
| 16:09.35 | honeytank | You can also press "k" and type the callsign. |
| 16:10.31 | TASAIRES | BulletCatcher: i slence any player for Test (silence and unsilence) funtion, but only one work! silence, and unsilence not work |
| 16:10.44 | TASAIRES | honeytank: ah ok |
| 16:10.54 | JefferyM | the sliences should be in your config as well you can jus edit them out. |
| 16:10.58 | TASAIRES | i go try this |
| 16:11.18 | honeytank | @JefferyM: I think that's a little to complicated.... |
| 16:11.33 | JefferyM | 1) this is not twitter, 2) no it's not, they are stored somewhere. |
| 16:11.38 | TASAIRES | I have Windows, and not know what file and route guard my confg |
| 16:11.40 | honeytank | :D |
| 16:11.55 | honeytank | #thisisnottwitter @jefferym |
| 16:12.02 | JefferyM | TASAIRES, in your my documents folder there is a "my bzflag files" folder |
| 16:12.07 | JefferyM | honeytank, you arn't helping |
| 16:12.22 | JefferyM | in that folder is a folder for the version of bzflag |
| 16:12.27 | honeytank | I did, i suggested to do it with "k" key... |
| 16:12.29 | JefferyM | that contains the config. |
| 16:12.43 | JefferyM | I mean with you babble honeytank |
| 16:12.49 | honeytank | pfft |
| 16:12.54 | honeytank | k |
| 16:12.55 | JefferyM | exactly |
| 16:13.04 | honeytank | :D |
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| 16:16.14 | Murielle | how many people are on your isp, temporalD ? |
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| 16:19.16 | JUR | hi guys |
| 16:19.25 | Murielle | hi jur |
| 16:20.06 | JUR | whats up mur? |
| 16:20.20 | TASAIRES | ok isee Silece line on config.cfg -> this is set "silencedPersonX callsing" where X go to 0 at increase +1 and callsing is name to was silence |
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| 16:20.46 | JUR | how do i open a private chat? |
| 16:20.56 | JefferyM | type /msg and the name |
| 16:20.57 | JUR_ | eh i told you on msn |
| 16:21.04 | TASAIRES | If i eraser line -> silencedPerson, can unsilence select person?? |
| 16:21.09 | JefferyM | TASAIRES, so delete the lines you don't want |
| 16:21.10 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 16:21.13 | Murielle | jur, you type query JefferyM |
| 16:21.13 | JUR | okok |
| 16:21.19 | Murielle | jur, you type: /query JefferyM |
| 16:21.23 | JUR | ok |
| 16:21.27 | JefferyM | Murielle, depends on the client |
| 16:21.30 | JUR_ | who would like to talk to jeff? jks :D |
| 16:21.40 | Murielle | ah ? i thougth it was for all irc ? |
| 16:21.42 | JUR_ | Jur is using webchat |
| 16:21.46 | JefferyM | /msg is the standard |
| 16:21.47 | JUR | what am i> |
| 16:21.51 | JUR_ | he just clicks name and clicks query |
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| 16:22.07 | JUR_ | lul |
| 16:22.17 | JefferyM | yeah sure.. lul |
| 16:22.23 | JefferyM | not for much longer if it keeps up |
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| 16:22.41 | JUR | lol |
| 16:22.43 | JUR | back |
| 16:23.02 | JefferyM | we can see, you don't have to say it |
| 16:23.12 | JUR | i know |
| 16:23.33 | JefferyM | is today a full moon or something? |
| 16:23.33 | honeytank | JefferyM: May you calm down, hes just pretty enthusiastic about his first time on IRC... |
| 16:23.43 | JefferyM | who said I was not calm? |
| 16:23.45 | JUR | o.O |
| 16:23.50 | honeytank | I did |
| 16:23.56 | JefferyM | then you would be wrong little one. |
| 16:24.04 | honeytank | <- wrong |
| 16:24.11 | honeytank | <- little :( |
| 16:24.38 | JUR | ok is there a way to see whos there and whos afk |
| 16:24.43 | honeytank | no |
| 16:24.44 | JefferyM | stops feeding the trolls and goes back to work |
| 16:24.49 | JefferyM | JUR, IRC is not IM |
| 16:24.49 | honeytank | lol |
| 16:25.00 | honeytank | and not twitter! |
| 16:25.04 | JUR | i dont know both thats why i ask it |
| 16:25.15 | JUR | asking isnt forbidden in my country.. |
| 16:25.18 | honeytank | JUR, you know IM, youre actually on MSN with me |
| 16:25.19 | Murielle | u can do /whois JefferyM, jur |
| 16:25.32 | JUR | why would I want to know that? |
| 16:25.32 | Murielle | if JefferyM activate the /away status |
| 16:25.36 | JefferyM | perhaps ##bzflag-chat is best for you to figure it out |
| 16:25.38 | JUR | ok |
| 16:25.43 | JefferyM | here are also good sites on the internet to read up on IRC |
| 16:26.02 | JefferyM | http://www.irchelp.org/ |
| 16:26.46 | JUR | why would i read everything when i onyl want to know a specifik thing i can also ask here?:) |
| 16:26.57 | TASAIRES | Nice i eraser lines on config.cfg and not work, the people continue, too i try unsilence with "K" and not work, if player callsing not is online |
| 16:27.12 | JefferyM | because this channel isn't for IRC help jur, it's a development channel. |
| 16:27.25 | JUR | ahh ok;) |
| 16:27.27 | JefferyM | TASAIRES, rename your config to something like "blah.conf" |
| 16:27.39 | JefferyM | then start the game, that will make a new config |
| 16:27.41 | honeytank | .conf? |
| 16:27.46 | JefferyM | the name dosn't matter |
| 16:27.50 | honeytank | Ah |
| 16:27.51 | JefferyM | it just needs to be different |
| 16:27.56 | JUR | this is lame anyways, im out |
| 16:27.56 | honeytank | Cool, didn't know it ;) |
| 16:28.14 | JefferyM | you didn't know you could rename a file? |
| 16:28.24 | JefferyM | perhaps you need a few more computer classes |
| 16:28.46 | honeytank | i didnt know it will still work after |
| 16:28.54 | JefferyM | it won't that's the POINT |
| 16:28.58 | JefferyM | to make the old config NOT work |
| 16:29.02 | JefferyM | so the game makes a new one |
| 16:29.26 | TASAIRES | and using "/silence callsing", before dont work "/unsilence callsing", i think there any register on another site, out to config.cfg file |
| 16:29.35 | TASAIRES | Possiblement on server |
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| 16:30.06 | JefferyM | if it shows you the silenced players before you connect to the server they are stored localy |
| 16:30.13 | JefferyM | since you haven't connected to any server yet |
| 16:30.25 | JefferyM | we don't store anything in your user account for silencing. |
| 16:30.35 | JefferyM | did it work with a new config file? |
| 16:35.37 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: i clean and eraser all person files on BZflag Files Directories!, and before i open and join and NOT! Alls info appear other time! |
| 16:35.56 | JefferyM | ok. so you did NOT do what I said to do then? |
| 16:36.02 | JefferyM | rename the ENTIRE config file |
| 16:36.44 | JefferyM | not it's contents, the name of the file. |
| 16:36.59 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: if these info is on my PC is hidden on another site, and if not! this are on Server Primary, when i Log my callsing, I too Clear CAche on my pc and directories |
| 16:37.24 | JefferyM | ok skip... I do kinda know how the game works I am a developer on it. |
| 16:37.29 | JefferyM | I know what we store |
| 16:37.41 | JefferyM | nothing is stored "on another site" |
| 16:38.01 | JefferyM | if you arn't willing to try what we sugest you are prety much done. |
| 16:38.22 | JefferyM | I don't know what "server primary" is |
| 16:38.36 | JefferyM | and nothing but maps is stored in the cache |
| 16:38.44 | JefferyM | rename the config |
| 16:38.51 | JefferyM | that will get you back to a clean slate |
| 16:39.33 | JefferyM | if you still get the message when you log into a SPECIFIC server then that's something with that specific game server and nonstandard and we can't help you. |
| 16:39.53 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: i are see now "My BZFlag File", and on "2.0" inside directory , i erase and NOw Not Exist! andy conf.cfg |
| 16:40.08 | JefferyM | ok good, run the game, it'll make a new one |
| 16:40.44 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: And run BZFLAG and this work,and Remenber use, password, email string and silence players |
| 16:41.08 | JefferyM | ok, I 'm not understanding what you are saying, you need to slow down and type your english a little clearer |
| 16:41.15 | JefferyM | you start the game right? |
| 16:41.32 | JefferyM | does it have your callsign saved? |
| 16:42.24 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: too i try leave to watch if make a new config.cfg file and NOt! and too i try on Game save config, to see If this apear on My BZFlag File, and Not see NOTHING |
| 16:42.39 | JefferyM | ok that dosn't make sense |
| 16:42.43 | TASAIRES | Yes i have callsing and password save |
| 16:42.55 | JefferyM | ok, that means that you did NOT delete the config |
| 16:42.59 | JefferyM | since that is saved in the config |
| 16:43.14 | JefferyM | delete your entire my bzflag files folder. |
| 16:43.47 | JefferyM | what version of bz do you have? |
| 16:45.05 | TASAIRES | Now i try saearh on Windows , if there any more "My BZFlag File" |
| 16:45.12 | JefferyM | what version of bz do you have? |
| 16:46.27 | TASAIRES | I have 2.0.16 now, and recentment test 3.0.x and unistall, but i delete too alls 3.0 version files and directorie |
| 16:46.45 | mrapple | JefferyM: i believe he still had BZ open when he deleted the config |
| 16:46.52 | JefferyM | oh |
| 16:47.00 | JefferyM | yeah quit BZ before you do all this |
| 16:47.18 | JefferyM | bzflag will not detect config changes when it's running |
| 16:47.25 | JefferyM | close BZ |
| 16:47.30 | mrapple | and when it quits it will write current settings to the config |
| 16:47.30 | JefferyM | delete the bzflag files folder |
| 16:47.31 | JefferyM | run BZ |
| 16:47.33 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 16:47.38 | JefferyM | do it in THAT order |
| 16:47.49 | JefferyM | good catch mrapple |
| 16:48.00 | mrapple | thanks |
| 16:48.32 | honeytank | Or you can manually press "Save Settings" in your menu, no need to just telling. |
| 16:48.44 | mrapple | if you do that it will save the current loaded config |
| 16:48.46 | mrapple | not a blank one |
| 16:48.54 | mrapple | <+JefferyM> bzflag will not detect config changes when it's running |
| 16:49.05 | JefferyM | it assumes nobody else has it open when it's running |
| 16:49.35 | TASAIRES | BZflag is not Running! qhe i make the changes! |
| 16:49.37 | JefferyM | since it is just a local db for storing settings |
| 16:49.49 | honeytank | Doesn't Windows detect config changes? Because Linux does... |
| 16:49.53 | mrapple | no |
| 16:49.56 | JefferyM | it CAN |
| 16:50.15 | JefferyM | but the app has to do something with the message |
| 16:50.25 | JefferyM | BZ dosn't do anything on any OS if any file changes after it loads it |
| 16:50.51 | JefferyM | the config is not intened to be an interface to the settings at run time |
| 16:50.59 | JefferyM | just offline storage |
| 16:51.35 | JefferyM | FileWatchers are very easy to setup, but this is a case where we just don't want to reload it. |
| 16:51.40 | JefferyM | it'd be a nearly useless feature |
| 16:51.57 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: i are Locate other My "BZFlag Files" on insolate VirtualRoot make by my security tool |
| 16:52.16 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: i go to deraser and try Newly |
| 16:52.27 | JefferyM | again, I have no idea what you are saying |
| 16:52.33 | JefferyM | what is your native language if I may ask? |
| 16:58.18 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: Now is OK!! BZFLAG seach alls know "My BZFlag File", include this on another localitation! |
| 16:58.30 | JefferyM | actualy your OS does that |
| 16:58.32 | JefferyM | not bzflag |
| 16:58.38 | JefferyM | I assume you are on windows 7 |
| 16:58.49 | honeytank | Can i show my graphic works here if they are related with BZFlag? |
| 16:59.12 | JefferyM | honeytank, they forums are probably a larger audience, but if you want sure. |
| 16:59.22 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: before Erase alls Directories i Ruin BZflag and this , not guar none, include silence list , name, and passwor, or configuration |
| 16:59.39 | honeytank | http://a.imageshack.us/img3/867/sdlogonobg.png I did it with GIMP, I'm liek a beginner... |
| 16:59.46 | honeytank | what do you guys think of it? |
| 16:59.52 | JefferyM | TASAIRES, you said you had a security tool, it probably overrode our call to the home dir. |
| 17:00.18 | JefferyM | honeytank, is that the tank model? |
| 17:00.26 | honeytank | What? |
| 17:00.31 | JefferyM | the image of the tank |
| 17:00.35 | JefferyM | is that the bzflag tank model |
| 17:00.39 | honeytank | No |
| 17:00.39 | JefferyM | barrel looks too long |
| 17:00.47 | JefferyM | then what does it have to do with bzflag ;) |
| 17:00.52 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: Security tool is a Firewall and Antivirus, Comodo, and can run any apps in sandbox mode |
| 17:00.54 | JefferyM | where did you get it? did you draw it? |
| 17:01.03 | honeytank | I didnt fin the BZFlag model ;) and i had no time to rip it off the logo |
| 17:01.05 | JefferyM | TASAIRES, yeah it's that sandbox mode that did it. |
| 17:01.16 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: for check security and others |
| 17:01.42 | JefferyM | oh I know why it did it, but that's what caused the problem. |
| 17:01.47 | honeytank | I draw the model some time ago |
| 17:01.56 | TASAIRES | JefferyM: alls new on Windows is Old on Linux ;) |
| 17:01.56 | JefferyM | not bad |
| 17:02.06 | JefferyM | TASAIRES, not really |
| 17:02.06 | honeytank | But, it has some pix faults ;) |
| 17:02.27 | JefferyM | as a design it's a bit open and weak, but the tank drawing is strong |
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| 17:02.32 | honeytank | I have to overwork it i think, but for now it fits intom the image pretty good ;) |
| 17:02.45 | JefferyM | the initals should not be the major part of the logo, specialy when it just repeats the name below. |
| 17:03.05 | JefferyM | it could be tighened up, probalby only need one tank shooting out part of the words |
| 17:03.06 | honeytank | Well, i think it should, the tanks need a place to park on |
| 17:03.24 | honeytank | And I like them that big |
| 17:03.26 | JefferyM | when it's scaled down you won't be able to read the name |
| 17:03.33 | honeytank | actually, may i learn disliking them in time |
| 17:03.46 | JefferyM | whatever floats your boat, it's your logo |
| 17:04.09 | honeytank | but you can still read the initials, and the logo hasnt that a high width then.... |
| 17:04.26 | JefferyM | it's just the openness of it |
| 17:04.39 | JefferyM | from a design standpoint |
| 17:04.39 | honeytank | It fits into a facebook pag very good :D |
| 17:05.00 | JefferyM | heh, anything can be made to fit into a facebook page, but that dosn't make it a good design ;) |
| 17:05.19 | JefferyM | it has promice tho |
| 17:05.26 | honeytank | i know, it need to be overworked |
| 17:05.34 | honeytank | It's actually my vbery first try |
| 17:05.42 | honeytank | I'm proud :D |
| 17:06.02 | JefferyM | that's quite obvious |
| 17:06.07 | honeytank | :D |
| 17:13.47 | TASAIRES | Ok i playing on BZFLAG, and not Bad Net, using Pchat (a folk to xchat), and eMule, and jdownloader! 128 lag, jitter 4, and lost 0 |
| 17:14.02 | TASAIRES | Bye alls i go to play ;) |
| 17:14.18 | TASAIRES | close irc |
| 17:15.41 | JefferyM | he had to be french or german :) |
| 17:19.09 | Murielle | french ? |
| 17:19.25 | JefferyM | my gut says German |
| 17:19.35 | JefferyM | due to the syntax |
| 17:19.49 | Murielle | ??? i missed something and i am lazy too much for reding up :p |
| 17:20.04 | JefferyM | and...... |
| 17:20.12 | honeytank | hes not german ;) |
| 17:20.32 | JefferyM | english could not have been his primary language |
| 17:33.57 | mrapple | unless he just... doesnt know how to type well? :P |
| 17:34.07 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03runic * r21298 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/dialogs/MasterConfigurationDialog.cpp: - fix transformation order in Master Configuration Dialog ( was causing order of transformations to be flipped ) |
| 17:34.16 | JefferyM | if that's just bad typing then that is WAY sad |
| 17:34.39 | mrapple | heh. yeah im guessing english isnt his native language ;) |
| 17:34.42 | JefferyM | I mean that was just getting major things WRONG in the langauge, putting things in a different order etc... |
| 17:34.49 | mrapple | yeah |
| 17:35.01 | JefferyM | typos are one thing, I make those all the time. |
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| 20:26.53 | Murielle | in case bzfs crash, could it shutdown a PC ? |
| 20:27.21 | Murielle | have u already epxeriment this? |
| 20:27.44 | a_meteorite | Murielle: no, at least not on any modern OS that I know of |
| 20:27.55 | a_meteorite | or stable platform for that matter |
| 20:28.22 | Murielle | I want to point that bzfs was not running as root |
| 20:28.37 | a_meteorite | if it does, I suspect that something is wrong with your OS or hardware, not bzfs. |
| 20:28.58 | Murielle | in a more general way, may a process (under linux, without root privs) shutdown a pc ? |
| 20:30.34 | a_meteorite | if it did it'd be a security breach or bug in the kernel. |
| 20:30.48 | Murielle | ok |
| 20:30.54 | Murielle | thank you a_meteorite |
| 20:30.55 | a_meteorite | user-space processes are pretty well insulated |
| 20:31.27 | a_meteorite | mostly they can just shoot themselves in the foot really bad. mess around with your files and whatnot. but shutting down a computer, not normally ever. |
| 20:37.14 | JefferyM | if an app kills your macine, your OS or a driver had a problem |
| 20:37.22 | JefferyM | since they are the only things with protected access |
| 20:38.08 | a_meteorite | yeah I was gonna say driver but I didn't want to overwhelm him :) |
| 20:38.16 | Murielle | actually...the os has not shutdown... but the network is not responding |
| 20:38.46 | Murielle | and apparently, there is a lot of segfaults on console |
| 20:39.59 | JefferyM | probably something in the kernel then |
| 20:40.00 | a_meteorite | segfaults in a program are local |
| 20:40.13 | JefferyM | unless the kernel is segfaulting ;) |
| 20:40.18 | a_meteorite | yeah... then you're screwed |
| 20:40.56 | JefferyM | but in general the userland app does not have protected hardware acces, and it's the kernels job to catch the exceptions before they do anything too bad |
| 20:41.06 | JefferyM | thats why apps run in a virtual memory space |
| 20:41.11 | JefferyM | instead of a real one. |
| 20:41.35 | Murielle | there is also messages refering to libc ? |
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| 20:41.47 | JefferyM | lots of things use libc |
| 20:41.54 | JefferyM | something is probably throwing exceptions. |
| 20:42.12 | Murielle | but can it be due to a plugin in bzfs ? |
| 20:42.37 | Murielle | i mean, could a plugin induce such a blocking state ? |
| 20:42.45 | Murielle | no ping |
| 20:42.47 | Murielle | no ssh |
| 20:42.47 | a_meteorite | a plugin can have code that crashes |
| 20:42.55 | a_meteorite | something else is wrong then |
| 20:45.32 | Murielle | something else? |
| 20:46.00 | Murielle | you mean, it cannot be the plugin that block the net interface (or whatever) of the machine? |
| 20:46.56 | JefferyM | possibly, userland code can put a driver like the network stack into a state that it does not handle well |
| 20:47.08 | JefferyM | it's a bug in the network stack probably since everything "should" die cleanly |
| 20:47.12 | JefferyM | but that's rarely the case |
| 20:47.28 | JefferyM | and yes plugins run in the bzfs thread so they can block the crap out of it |
| 20:54.19 | Murielle | how can i detect if it comes from bzfs? |
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| 21:02.33 | JefferyM | use the debuger and step through your code |
| 21:02.38 | JefferyM | then you see where it gets stuck |
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| 21:13.15 | Murielle | but i need a core, right? |
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| 21:16.33 | JefferyM | a core? |
| 21:17.42 | Murielle | a core file |
| 21:17.57 | JefferyM | I don't know what that is |
| 21:18.07 | JefferyM | to use GDB you just build debug and then run with gdb |
| 21:18.11 | JefferyM | then you can step into the code |
| 21:18.18 | JefferyM | I don't use GDB that much, but I know it works |
| 21:19.58 | Murielle | and i have to wait for a crash? |
| 21:22.33 | JefferyM | depends on the nature of the problem |
| 21:22.35 | JefferyM | but possibly |
| 21:22.40 | JefferyM | or you have to work to make it crash |
| 21:22.48 | JefferyM | you don't use a debuger when you program normaly? |
| 21:23.34 | Murielle | hum |
| 21:23.38 | trepan | Murielle: iirc, you'll want to disable SIGPIPE while running bzfs under gdb |
| 21:23.46 | Murielle | i use gdb on the core.file recently |
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| 21:24.11 | Murielle | trepan: eeuuuuuuh? |
| 21:24.12 | JefferyM | that just tells you where it died |
| 21:24.20 | JefferyM | it does a LOT more then that |
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| 21:24.36 | trepan | JefferyM: a `core' file is the *nix method for dumping a process' memory image for deferred debuggin |
| 21:24.39 | trepan | *debugging |
| 21:24.49 | JefferyM | yeah I figure it was a core dump |
| 21:25.00 | JefferyM | but it's just a state |
| 21:25.26 | Murielle | but it brings infos |
| 21:25.28 | JefferyM | not the same as steping throuhg before it crashes to find out what makes it go pearshaped |
| 21:26.00 | JefferyM | I find it quite handy to put a breakpoint at a known good place before a problem and then step in to see exactly what the problem is |
| 21:26.22 | JefferyM | as some problems are more complex then what an exception will tell you |
| 21:26.31 | JefferyM | but again I don't use gdb much so maybe it does more |
| 21:27.17 | JefferyM | in windows I'd set a breakpoint and step along watching variables in the watch window to see how they went bad, and poissibly reexecute stuff if it's too late. |
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| 21:32.17 | trepan | JefferyM: `xxgdb' let's you do much the same (although it's ugly, there are probably better gui alternatives for gdb) |
| 21:32.26 | JefferyM | cool |
| 21:32.33 | JefferyM | yeah I figured there had to be ways to do it |
| 21:32.40 | JefferyM | ya can't program with out a good debuger :) |
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| 23:28.35 | Murielle | is there a script (in php) that alllows to check if a server is online/offline ? |
| 23:31.32 | a_meteorite | Murielle: you may want to look at bzfquery.php |
| 23:31.55 | a_meteorite | there's also the excellent BZFlag_Info |
| 23:32.08 | AAA_awright | http://git.bzfx.net |
| 23:32.31 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: Is that working for you? |
| 23:32.52 | a_meteorite | just fixed it |
| 23:32.59 | a_meteorite | http://git.bzfx.net/~aaa/BZFlag_Info/ |
| 23:33.13 | I_Died_Once | omg the documentation |
| 23:33.33 | AAA_awright | ^ |
| 23:33.36 | AAA_awright | http://git.bzfx.net/~aaa/BZFlag_Info/ |
| 23:33.40 | a_meteorite | we have documented much of the 2.0 API |
| 23:34.22 | I_Died_Once | dont you hate it when you ask a simple one-two question and someone wants you to reads a big huge page of text.......... |
| 23:34.30 | I_Died_Once | when a simple "no" yould have sufficed? |
| 23:34.34 | I_Died_Once | **would |
| 23:34.59 | AAA_awright | I_Died_Once: man woman? |
| 23:35.33 | I_Died_Once | death@w3502$ sudo ##man woman |
| 23:35.47 | I_Died_Once | (document is empty) |
| 23:36.20 | a_meteorite | there is no manual for women, they're too complicated |
| 23:37.06 | I_Died_Once | heh, reminds me of a novelty book i came across at a strip mall... titled "everything men know about women" and it was full of blank pages |
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