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| 02:14.21 | Ratfink | I'm looking for the 3D rendering code, and can't find it. |
| 02:14.28 | Ratfink | Does anyone know where it is? |
| 02:15.48 | echelon | Ratfink! :) |
| 02:15.56 | Ratfink | hi |
| 02:16.02 | echelon | < titmouse |
| 02:16.26 | Ratfink | I'm wondering where it is so I can see how hard it would be to port it to OpenGL ES |
| 02:18.20 | blast007 | Ratfink: it's mixed all over in the bzflag client code |
| 02:18.23 | blast007 | there is no "engine" |
| 02:18.36 | blast007 | it's mixed in with the simulation and the network and the input ;) |
| 02:18.41 | Ratfink | eew |
| 02:18.47 | blast007 | yeah, so... have fun |
| 02:18.51 | echelon | lol |
| 02:18.53 | Ratfink | that's ... odd. |
| 02:19.01 | echelon | meh |
| 02:19.03 | blast007 | it's a 16 year old codebase |
| 02:19.18 | Ratfink | so people coded things poorly 16 years ago? |
| 02:19.26 | Ratfink | :-P |
| 02:19.49 | blast007 | 16 years of mess |
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| 02:20.16 | Ratfink | 16 years of throwing C++ code in a blender and then running svn commit |
| 02:20.49 | blast007 | wasn't always in SVN, nor was it always open-source ;) |
| 02:21.02 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Project_History |
| 02:21.02 | Ratfink | yeah |
| 02:21.10 | Ratfink | I know it used to be CVS |
| 02:21.37 | blast007 | but in any case, what you want to do will be difficult |
| 02:21.42 | Ratfink | yes |
| 02:21.53 | blast007 | at least without a good dead of knowledge |
| 02:21.56 | Ratfink | maybe there's some OGL to OGL ES header somewhere |
| 02:22.53 | blast007 | also, 2.99.x uses FTGL - not sure if you'd have to port that to OpenGL ES too |
| 02:22.54 | brlcad | if that's your next line of thinking, you certainly will have quite a learning curve to climb up |
| 02:23.57 | Ratfink | the main thing I can think of off-hand is that all quads would need to be converted to tris |
| 02:24.24 | brlcad | porting it to opengl es doesn't mean much without identifying a particular platform your working towards and solving the problems you encounter along the way |
| 02:24.49 | Ratfink | yeah |
| 02:25.06 | Ratfink | the particular platform is the pandora btw |
| 02:26.16 | brlcad | so your best bet is to copy the code up and kick the compilation off |
| 02:26.21 | brlcad | see what fails |
| 02:26.52 | Ratfink | yep, I'll do that when I get my pandora in a few months |
| 02:26.56 | brlcad | if you can't bootstrap the initial compile, you're not even going to get to opengles issues |
| 02:27.23 | Ratfink | I just wanted to see how much of a challenge it'd be ahead of time |
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| 02:27.44 | brlcad | if you can't find the opengl code in bzflag, that's not a good sign (for you) |
| 02:27.54 | brlcad | because it's everywhere, not hard to find :) |
| 02:28.05 | Ratfink | exactly, it's everywhere |
| 02:28.15 | Ratfink | I was expecting it to be in one place |
| 02:28.46 | brlcad | failure of expectations, not of complexity :) |
| 02:28.53 | blast007 | Ratfink: a quick grep should have proved that theory wrong |
| 02:29.13 | Ratfink | well, I was looking on sourceforge's web SVN interface |
| 02:29.15 | brlcad | also doesn't really make porting any harder |
| 02:29.19 | brlcad | just not any easier either |
| 02:29.21 | Ratfink | so grep wasn't exactly an option at that moment |
| 02:29.39 | brlcad | 3D dir is a good place to start |
| 02:29.45 | brlcad | or follow from the client main run loop |
| 02:29.51 | brlcad | to get a big picture |
| 02:30.37 | Ratfink | well, I'm not even sure if the main loop is in "game" or "bzflag" |
| 02:30.41 | Ratfink | so I'll check both |
| 02:31.13 | brlcad | well you should know how to find where the application itself begins |
| 02:31.46 | Ratfink | int main(int argc, char **argv) |
| 02:31.58 | Ratfink | that's where it starts :-) |
| 02:32.03 | brlcad | so start there |
| 02:32.05 | echelon | :] |
| 02:32.23 | Ratfink | I will when I find it |
| 02:32.33 | Ratfink | yay! |
| 02:32.34 | Ratfink | found it |
| 02:32.38 | blast007 | and is that where it starts when SDL is used? thought there was an SDL main function.. |
| 02:33.10 | Ratfink | looks like the main function is either main or myMain |
| 02:33.12 | Ratfink | odd |
| 02:33.31 | brlcad | and you seriously should not be using the web interface, that's seriously limiting and lame -- it'll just make things harder |
| 02:33.41 | Ratfink | probably |
| 02:33.45 | Ratfink | I should get an svn co |
| 02:33.49 | brlcad | not probably |
| 02:33.55 | brlcad | use the right tool |
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| 02:34.20 | Ratfink | okay, I'll move my mouse to my desktop, right click, and then left click on XTerm |
| 02:34.58 | Ratfink | svn co |
| 02:35.39 | brlcad | that's just to get it, you still need to use other tool(s) to browse and search |
| 02:35.47 | Ratfink | ys |
| 02:35.48 | Ratfink | yes |
| 02:36.07 | brlcad | emacs, vim, eclipse, grep, whatever |
| 02:36.18 | Ratfink | yes, I know how to use vim |
| 02:36.26 | Ratfink | I use it on a daily basis |
| 02:37.25 | brlcad | apparently not for coding, or you would have gone there first for efficiency sake :) |
| 02:37.38 | brlcad | or not enough coding |
| 02:37.42 | Ratfink | erp, I seem to have forgotten to add /trunk to the svn co command |
| 02:38.50 | Ratfink | there, that won't get all the branches |
| 02:41.05 | Ratfink | ...whaaa? |
| 02:41.20 | Ratfink | is this downloading the entire BZFlag website too? |
| 02:43.30 | brlcad | you're pulling the parent, so you're just might get all modules, all branches, all tags, ... |
| 02:43.49 | Ratfink | I'm now getting /trunk/bzflag/ |
| 02:43.58 | Ratfink | which I *think* is just BZFlag source code |
| 02:44.03 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:44.40 | brlcad | right, bzflag's layout is single-module style, so you're getting the trunk for all former modules |
| 02:45.00 | brlcad | not tags and branches at least |
| 02:45.08 | brlcad | still, not pulling the right point |
| 02:45.31 | Ratfink | SVN often confuses me; I use Git and I'm happy |
| 02:46.48 | brlcad | so use git over svn .. you'd still have this problem :P |
| 02:47.04 | Ratfink | but git makes the whole branch/trunk thing easier |
| 02:47.12 | a_meteorite | Ratfink: we maintain a git mirror of bzflag |
| 02:47.18 | Ratfink | really? |
| 02:47.20 | Ratfink | where? |
| 02:47.44 | a_meteorite | needs to get updated automatically though... should set that up soon |
| 02:47.51 | Ratfink | I don't think it's on sf, it doesn't have git listed |
| 02:48.00 | a_meteorite | Ratfink: http://git.bzfx.net |
| 02:48.20 | Ratfink | ah |
| 02:48.23 | Ratfink | thanks |
| 02:48.26 | a_meteorite | sure |
| 02:48.43 | a_meteorite | I need to bug AAA_awright a bit harder to automatically get that updated on commits, or at least daily |
| 02:49.16 | a_meteorite | but otherwise you're interested in this particularly http://git.bzfx.net/bzflag/ |
| 02:49.16 | Ratfink | yeah, 2 weeks looks a bit old |
| 02:49.38 | Ratfink | ah HAH! |
| 02:49.50 | Ratfink | that's the layout I was looking for |
| 02:50.08 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 02:50.55 | Ratfink | plus, git has one great advantage over svn: it was made by Linus Torvalds |
| 02:51.33 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 02:52.10 | a_meteorite | I like it cause it's fast |
| 02:52.24 | Ratfink | me too |
| 02:52.27 | a_meteorite | downloading a whole repo is not a problemo |
| 02:52.47 | Ratfink | and svn doesn't have branches as such a built-in concept |
| 02:53.02 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 02:53.20 | Ratfink | AND svn doesn't keep a complete local copy of the repository |
| 02:55.25 | Ratfink | hmm |
| 02:55.34 | Ratfink | simple main function |
| 02:55.35 | a_meteorite | enjoy Ratfink, if you have suggestions talk to me or AAA_awright |
| 02:55.43 | Ratfink | thanks |
| 02:56.08 | a_meteorite | bbl |
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| 17:22.05 | echelon | honeytank, i was just on your map! :D |
| 17:22.14 | honeytank | yey |
| 17:22.20 | honeytank | thats awesome :P |
| 17:22.25 | echelon | ^_^ |
| 17:22.33 | honeytank | im there at the moment, omg! :D |
| 17:22.41 | echelon | i'm titmouse :D |
| 17:22.45 | honeytank | lal |
| 17:22.46 | honeytank | wait |
| 17:23.01 | mrapple | zomg rly?! COOL! LETS GO HAV A PARTay |
| 17:23.36 | honeytank | MRAPPLE IS THERE TOOO! |
| 17:23.43 | honeytank | PaRtY! |
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| 17:48.08 | JefferyM | wtf? |
| 17:48.27 | echelon | ? |
| 17:48.34 | JefferyM | exactly |
| 17:48.51 | echelon | :) |
| 17:55.59 | mrapple | JefferyM: i was thinking the same thing |
| 17:57.08 | JefferyM | doubtful |
| 17:59.51 | mrapple | doutbful of what |
| 18:00.01 | JefferyM | your statement |
| 18:00.06 | mrapple | ok then |
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| 19:56.59 | mrapple | hi McYukon |
| 19:57.09 | McYukon | Hello |
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| 21:51.00 | mrapple | McSpider: bzadmin in x11..genius ;D |
| 21:52.12 | echelon | what |
| 21:52.14 | McSpider | yeah :) |
| 21:52.21 | mrapple | oops |
| 21:52.26 | echelon | explain |
| 21:52.26 | mrapple | wrong channel, again... |
| 21:52.33 | echelon | :| |
| 21:52.43 | JefferyM | that's what she said |
| 21:52.56 | echelon | lol |
| 21:53.23 | mrapple | heh |
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| 22:36.06 | echelon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEep5BrexT0 |
| 22:37.52 | Bambino | ...really... |
| 22:38.04 | mrapple | thats necessary why? |
| 22:38.17 | temporalD | i've got some nice links I could post here too - if we are doing that now |
| 22:43.27 | blast007 | echelon: you do realize this is the BZFlag channel, right? |
| 22:43.40 | mrapple | huh? |
| 22:43.41 | mrapple | :D |
| 22:44.48 | Bambino | echelon: ##russiandonkeys |
| 22:53.13 | echelon | Bambino |
| 22:53.15 | echelon | < titmouse :/ |
| 22:53.25 | Bambino | I know |
| 22:53.29 | echelon | :/ |
| 22:53.35 | echelon | no one was talking |
| 22:53.53 | Bambino | wait, you actually joined that channel? |
| 22:54.03 | mrapple | .... |
| 22:54.13 | mrapple | *rolls on floor laughing* |
| 22:54.14 | Bambino | falls off his chair |
| 22:54.26 | echelon | :) |
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