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00:08.15jcpSince there seeems to be a lot of C++-knowledgeable people here, is there a *free* C++ compiler anywhere out there?
00:08.34jcpLike one where you can compile an executable that doesn't require all this redistributable runtime stuff that MSVC Express requires
00:08.57jcpI don't particularly care of BZFlag can actually compile on it; this is just for a personal project
00:09.29Muriellegcc is nice, jcp
00:09.45jcpDoes it work on windows?
00:10.03jcpI know if you use it in cygwin, the resulting executable requires cygwin1.dll to function correctly, and I want an executable that doesn't require any other libraries at all
00:10.59Muriellethere is cross compiler.....
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00:12.05Murielletake a look at mingw32
00:12.16Muriellemaybe it works on cygwin?
00:15.19AAA_awrightMurielle: Send it from the red team?
00:15.37AAA_awrightidk how the client handles messages sent from a team and not an individual
00:16.05AAA_awrightBut that's probably an abuse of teams, since the colors are customizable
00:16.38AAA_awrightIt doesn't have to be red, most people will read the message, if it's from the server it's important
00:16.50AAA_awright(I would hope)
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00:18.36Murielleyes i would like to send extra alert messages
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00:23.27blast007jcp / Murielle: mingw does not need cygwin (though it was actually forked from cygwin)
00:23.39blast007http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinGW  see "Comparison with Cygwin"
00:23.48blast007"Unlike Cygwin, MinGW does not require a compatibility layer DLL and thus programs do not need to be distributed with source code."
00:27.54jcpblast007: k. I'll check that out
00:43.50Murielleso i was right :)
00:44.06Muriellemy 6th sense never lies me :)
00:46.01blast007just the first 5 ;)
00:46.04blast007runs
00:46.50Murielleruns behind blast007 who should run faster if he likes life
00:47.05blast007;D
00:53.45trepanMurielle: try that score setting trick I mentionned to ya a couple of days ago?  (i'm curious as to how it worked out...)
00:54.44Murielleyes i will do it....problem is i do not want to do it for the people who are involves with it
00:55.57trepanah, so you haven't tried it yet
00:56.10Muriellenot yet
00:56.45trepanit might be a bit noisy for the client  ;)
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14:23.09CIA-87BZFlag: 03Cobra Fast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7104 10/w/Ban: added much information on how to be unbanned
14:25.02CIA-87BZFlag: 03Cobra Fast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7105 10/w/Ban: added whitelist possibility information
14:30.01CIA-87BZFlag: 03Cobra Fast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7106 10/w/Ban: added information on how to do it wrong ;)
14:31.08Cobra_Fast^- could someone please scan my edit? i want to know if that works :)
14:44.54blast007edits heavily
14:45.05mrapplelol
14:47.32CIA-87BZFlag: 03Mrapple 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7107 10/w/Ban: /* Way out: Changing your IP */
14:48.21CIA-87BZFlag: 03Mrapple 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7108 10/w/Ban: /* Doing it wrong */
14:50.47blast007mrapple: you're doing it wrong!
14:51.51blast007is likely going to rewrite all of that anyway
14:52.00Cobra_Fast:(
14:54.36blast007;)
14:55.55Cobra_Fastblast007: what was that with the bzflag social website?
14:56.09blast007what bzflag social website?
14:56.34Cobra_Fasti dont know, picked up something like this
14:57.15blast007oh, also: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlagWiki:Content_Policy#Writing_Style
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14:58.35Cobra_Fastcus i'd want to work on web related stuff for bzflag
14:58.39blast007Cobra_Fast: basically, the social site was only thought about so far
14:58.48blast007nothing has been truely "planned" or tested
14:59.04blast007wasn't even decided what software would be used for it
14:59.10mrapplelol "Changing your ip" " Personal words like "you", "me", "your", etc.. should not be used"
14:59.23blast007mrapple: yeah, which is why I'm rewriting it all ;)
14:59.37mrappleheh
14:59.39Cobra_Fastnaw i failed
14:59.48mrapplebambino did a nice tutorial on banning a while back
15:00.46blast007/hostban *.au 0 Lag
15:00.49blast007runs away
15:00.53mrapplehehe
15:01.19mrapplecongrats on banning an entire conteninet blast ;)
15:02.01mrapple*continent
15:02.31Cobra_Fastso whats with the web stuff ... id really love to work on something like this
15:03.32blast007mrapple: yeah, most I've done before was just a country
15:03.50blast007so that's like a twofer
15:04.06joevanoCobra_Fast: come up with a plan... keep hinting we should do it, until someone says "Yeah someone should do it!"
15:04.22joevanothen wait some more, and repeat
15:04.45joevanofinally volunteer and do it... that is how the wiki was born
15:04.54blast007Cobra_Fast: I'd like to redo all of the web services if I had enough help
15:05.02blast007mrapple might help out with some stuff
15:05.14Cobra_Fastblast007: i'd join too
15:05.35blast007and I plan to use this super awesome framework: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mvcish/
15:05.40blast007and I'm not just saying that because I wrote it
15:05.42blast007;)
15:06.20joevanoit's not php is it? ;-)
15:06.28mrappleheh
15:06.34blast007oh of course not! it's PHP. capital letters.
15:07.11Cobra_Fastcant spot any files or tarballs there ...
15:07.20blast007there isn't any release
15:07.25blast007only code in Mercurial
15:11.09Cobra_Fastok this looks totally awesome to me too
15:12.06Cobra_Fastcould take a tweak or two but it's great so far
15:13.52mrappleits not done cobra ;)
15:14.15blast007mrapple: well, it's a functional framework
15:14.29blast007already been used to build a couple simple sites complete with an administrative interface
15:16.15mrapplestill a long way to go before its used with bzflag though right?
15:19.25joevanomrapple: it is ready to go for bzflag, just need to extend it when you run into an issue
15:19.54joevanowhich will probably be pretty early in ;-)
15:21.29CIA-87BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7109 10/w/Ban:
15:21.29blast007mrapple: why would you think that?
15:21.58blast007I mean, heck. I already have authentication drivers for LDAP and phpBB3 :)
15:25.45mrappleoh really?
15:26.53blast007ya rly
15:26.59mrapplecool, later :P
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17:27.37brlcadwoah, what happened to the wiki?
17:28.03blast007hmm?
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17:28.19brlcadwiki *poof*
17:28.27blast007it looks fine to me
17:29.07brlcadahhh, someone changed the config, the my. seems to be required
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19:21.14CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7110 10/w/How_To_Ban: Starting new page: How to ban, added durations
19:30.05CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7111 10/w/How_To_Ban: /* How To Ban */ Added IP banning
19:34.59CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7112 10/w/How_To_Ban: /* IP Banning */ Banning by slot, player name, and IP
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20:06.02joevanoBambino: seriously... read this  http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlagWiki:Content_Policy#Writing_Style
20:06.31Manu:)
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20:07.45joevanoI really appreciate you working on the wiki, but there is a way to write articles and a way not to...
20:08.16joevanoI will leave it up to you to figure out where you are falling ;-)
20:08.38joevanoI always believe in trying to do it right the first time
20:08.56CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7118 10/w/How_To_Ban: /* Host Banning */ Added range bans.
20:09.21BambinoOk, I'll take a look
20:09.46Bambinolet me guess, it all the wiki notices.
20:09.51Bambino:)
20:20.07JefferyMyeah don't use you
20:20.30JefferyMit should be a descriptive article not you personaly telling the reader what to do.
20:20.43JefferyMand you should keep personal opinions out of it
20:21.45Bambinook, thanks
20:22.13JefferyMI mean this line dosn't tell me anything"You will need the following permissions in-game to the commands listed below: SHORTBAN, BAN, UNBAN, and PLAYERLIST. If you have ban you don't need shortban. "
20:22.30JefferyMyou should state with each command what permission it needs
20:22.38Bambinook
20:22.42JefferyMyou make it sound like you need all of them to do any of the commands.
20:22.50Bambinoah, right
20:23.07JefferyMalso, should that be an article on it's own? or perhaps just a part of a larger article on common sense server admining?
20:23.58BambinoI believe there is already an article telling what permissions do what
20:24.05BambinoI suppose I could link to it
20:24.08JefferyMthen you should link
20:24.09JefferyMyeah
20:24.20Bambinook
20:24.31JefferyMassume that your reader has found this page with a search and has no clue about any other aspect of the wiki
20:24.55Bambinosounds good
20:25.55JefferyMprobably should rename the page BanUsage or something
20:26.05JefferyMhow to ban sounds a little harsh :)
20:26.21Bambino"how to get idiots off your server"
20:26.24JefferyMand implies there is a "why to ban" thing somewhere
20:26.28JefferyMoh that's easy, shut it down
20:26.37Bambino:)
20:26.58Bambino"how to get idiots off your server" "/shutdownserver"
20:27.03JefferyMwhy to ban is highly tied to opinions
20:27.18Bambinoand server policy
20:27.30JefferyMyeah
20:27.51jh`to ban or not to ban
20:27.54JefferyMand that should be in the wiki, unless it's on an article that just shows examples of some policies.
20:28.05BambinoI think I saw one a while ago..
20:28.19JefferyMthe wiki should not tell people why to ban, but give them the background to make a good pollicy of there own
20:28.43JefferyManything more then that is the realm of personal blogs
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20:50.21CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7119 10/w/Server_Permissions: Added modcount
20:58.24CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7120 10/w/How_To_Ban: Removed all the "you"s, finished page, removed personal opinions, added link to server permissions. I hope everyone is happier :)
20:58.56BambinoCould someone review it and tell me if I missed anything, it something should be updated, upgraded, etc?
21:01.11CIA-87BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7121 10/w/Ban: /* See also */ Added link on How To ban
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