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| 01:41.33 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 0397.126.213.24 07http://my.bzflag.org * r7080 10/w/BZFlag_3.0: /* Server Side Logic */ |
| 01:43.42 | blendmaster1024 | wait, local auth has been removed?? why???? |
| 01:45.31 | Bambino | blendmaster1024: it's insecure |
| 01:46.24 | blendmaster1024 | o.O |
| 01:46.28 | blendmaster1024 | i see. |
| 01:47.00 | Bambino | certain people modifed their bots to /register, /identify, then they started a poll and the bots voted |
| 01:47.39 | blendmaster1024 | i see. |
| 01:47.55 | blendmaster1024 | why is that not possible to do with global auth? |
| 01:48.16 | Bambino | the bots identified locally |
| 01:48.27 | blendmaster1024 | and btw what is the poll ban command? i've had to defer to someone else three times |
| 01:48.29 | Bambino | and there is only one person I know with enough users names to do that. |
| 01:48.46 | Bambino | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.49 | blendmaster1024 | lol. but it's not so hard to write a bot that makes new users |
| 01:48.50 | blendmaster1024 | ahh |
| 01:49.03 | blendmaster1024 | i kept trying /voteban and /banvote and /pollban and etc |
| 01:49.07 | blendmaster1024 | never thought to use a space |
| 01:49.21 | blendmaster1024 | woah that was fast, i already have 2.99 checked out |
| 01:49.34 | Bambino | you can pass a quuestion mark after the command to see it's syntax |
| 01:49.43 | Bambino | etx "/ban?" |
| 01:49.56 | Bambino | etc* |
| 01:49.57 | blendmaster1024 | tried /ban too but it said i wasn't admin iirc |
| 01:50.12 | Bambino | yeah, /ban is reserved for the few ;) |
| 01:50.27 | blendmaster1024 | because it's not a poll, it's just "get out now" |
| 01:50.51 | blendmaster1024 | man, autotools takes forever |
| 01:51.22 | Bambino | would you rather do it yourself? ;) |
| 01:52.23 | blendmaster1024 | no, i'd rather use one of the faster ones |
| 01:52.29 | blendmaster1024 | i hear cmake is lightning fast |
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| 02:09.03 | blendmaster1024 | just realized somethig |
| 02:09.05 | blendmaster1024 | something* |
| 02:09.18 | blendmaster1024 | all the way-pro networking stuff was by tim, right?? |
| 02:09.27 | blendmaster1024 | the original anyway |
| 02:09.43 | blendmaster1024 | he lives within driving distance to my house 8o |
| 02:10.04 | blendmaster1024 | to make it a little clearer, a bike would get me their in a few hours too |
| 02:10.12 | blendmaster1024 | there* though i don't know his address |
| 02:10.17 | blendmaster1024 | goes to talk to him |
| 02:10.32 | blendmaster1024 | aw. not on |
| 02:11.12 | blendmaster1024 | Bambino, you happen to know what is special about the 2.99 shot and net branches? |
| 02:11.16 | blendmaster1024 | or anyone else |
| 02:11.33 | Bambino | nope...don't know |
| 02:11.39 | blendmaster1024 | hrm |
| 02:14.36 | blendmaster1024 | is bored waiting for 2.99 to compile, but 2.0.16 runs too slowly because compile is taking up cpu |
| 02:15.02 | me1 | heh |
| 02:15.23 | Bambino | have fun, i don't think that there are any 2.99 servers up |
| 02:15.35 | blendmaster1024 | Bambino, i'm aware :) |
| 02:15.49 | me1 | i think thumper does a nightly built, no? |
| 02:15.56 | blendmaster1024 | me1, for ubuntu? |
| 02:16.06 | me1 | i mean for servers |
| 02:16.08 | Bambino | no, bzfs |
| 02:16.29 | me1 | there's usually 2.99 test servers up, at least 5 |
| 02:16.31 | Thumper_ | yes I do a nightly build |
| 02:19.44 | blendmaster1024 | anyone have a favorite server? compile cpu use went down and i'd like to try something other than missile war |
| 02:20.22 | Bambino | try Silvercat |
| 02:20.45 | blendmaster1024 | wow, i cant survive for 10 seconds |
| 02:21.05 | BulletCatcher | The 2.99 shot and net branches are abandoned. Ignore them. |
| 02:22.29 | blendmaster1024 | BulletCatcher, oky-day |
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| 02:53.31 | blendmaster1024 | likes missile war 2.3, bzflag3.0 version |
| 02:54.39 | blendmaster1024 | clever idea to put OO by G |
| 02:54.56 | Bambino | it's a bouncy flag now |
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| 03:31.31 | blast007 | blendmaster1024: local auth was insecure, which is why it was removed (not sure if that was alread explained) |
| 03:38.33 | blast007 | blendmaster1024: also, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Project_History |
| 03:38.39 | blendmaster1024 | huh? |
| 03:38.48 | blendmaster1024 | oh. ok. |
| 03:39.04 | blast007 | what was the huh about? the local auth? |
| 03:39.38 | blast007 | it sent passwords in plain text to the game server |
| 03:39.56 | blendmaster1024 | the huh was that i was not paying attention |
| 03:40.00 | blast007 | ok |
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| 07:43.15 | Bambino | first spammer in a while...http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48723 |
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| 12:46.33 | joevano | 14 hours and still no power... Could be out till Monday :-( |
| 12:46.50 | joevano | I would have failed as a pioneer |
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| 14:22.23 | randomparticle | sigh. it was a minus sign. pulls hair out |
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| 14:43.30 | blast007 | Bambino: spammer deleted :) |
| 14:46.38 | randomparticle | mach_absolute_time returns a uint64_t |
| 14:46.46 | randomparticle | does that mean it only works on x64 systems? |
| 14:46.59 | randomparticle | or is uint64_t defined on those too? |
| 14:47.11 | trepan | uint64_t can be defined on 32 bit systems |
| 14:48.24 | randomparticle | some registers on 32-bit systems are wider than 32 bits. is that right? |
| 14:48.38 | trepan | not necessarily |
| 14:49.01 | trepan | 64 bit registers are not required to manipulate 64 bit integers |
| 14:49.11 | randomparticle | would be faster though? |
| 14:49.25 | randomparticle | i.e., a single addition instruction |
| 14:49.25 | trepan | using a native width is likely to be faster |
| 14:50.09 | randomparticle | i've written some code to allow bzflag to use mach_absolute_time (mac specific): |
| 14:50.10 | randomparticle | http://pastebin.ca/1886436 |
| 14:50.21 | randomparticle | it should avoid the ntpd clock update problem |
| 14:51.12 | randomparticle | obviously needs to be tidied up and surrounded by appropriate #define's etc |
| 14:52.35 | randomparticle | at the moment, if a mac's system clock is updated during play, freakish events can occur |
| 14:53.01 | blast007 | could that be a problem for other operating systems as well? |
| 14:53.38 | trepan | blast007: that was part of the reason for setting the cpu affinity, from the looks of the code |
| 14:53.40 | randomparticle | windows uses cpu counter stats. that's similar to the mach_absolute_time approach. |
| 14:54.17 | randomparticle | existing mac and linux code uses gettimeofday which on the mac uses the system clock |
| 14:54.32 | trepan | ditto on linux |
| 14:54.48 | trepan | using POSIX timers might be a more generic way to solve the problem |
| 14:55.18 | trepan | (see 'man timer_create' and friends) |
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| 14:57.49 | trepan | randomparticle: what kinds of freakish events are you seeing, and how often? |
| 14:58.21 | randomparticle | they can vary. you can jump several multiples of the normal height, for example |
| 14:58.44 | randomparticle | if the clock is set forward by the OS, then bzflag thinks more time has elapsed than actually has |
| 14:58.59 | trepan | how often are you seeing the problem? |
| 14:59.59 | randomparticle | i used to see most days but on this computer rarely. it depends on how well the clock is synchronized |
| 15:00.52 | randomparticle | in the past os x's ntpd settings were suboptimal in that they weren't sufficient to ensure clock convergence |
| 15:04.10 | trepan | heh, sorry, i should have said clock_gettime(), not the timer_create() call ;) |
| 15:04.28 | trepan | (haven't played with them in a while) |
| 15:05.43 | trepan | it's a -lrt feature though, not sure if OSX supports it -- and the interesting one (CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW), seems to be linux specific anyway... |
| 15:06.13 | randomparticle | to give you an idea of how often and by how much the clock is updated, from my system log: |
| 15:06.20 | randomparticle | http://pastebin.ca/1886453 |
| 15:06.36 | randomparticle | the machine is usually on about 8 hours per day |
| 15:07.00 | randomparticle | there's an absolute whopper of a change in there on may 25th. 10s! |
| 15:07.30 | trepan | an article in favor of randomparticle's approach: http://www.wand.net.nz/~smr26/wordpress/2009/01/19/monotonic-time-in-mac-os-x/ |
| 15:07.56 | trepan | and linux could use CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW |
| 15:08.20 | trepan | (when available) |
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| 15:13.04 | randomparticle | looks like something weird may have happened on the 25th :) |
| 15:13.29 | randomparticle | i notice the ntpd pids are much higher that day than all the other days |
| 15:14.06 | randomparticle | usually ntpd gets a low pid because it's one of the first processes to be started |
| 15:15.07 | randomparticle | i think apple needs to buy better time crystals. that drift is insane |
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| 15:26.21 | BulletCatcher | Most NTP problems on the Mac are a result of three things. |
| 15:26.30 | BulletCatcher | 1) The ntp.drift file is lost at boot time so it has to start from scratch to determine the (often considerable) local clock drift. |
| 15:26.37 | BulletCatcher | 2) The use of "minpoll 12" in /etc/ntp.conf which causes a minimum of 1 hour between updates. It can take days to converge because of this. |
| 15:26.38 | BulletCatcher | 3) The clock jumps by a second or two when a laptop goes to sleep and wakes up again, exacerbating the #2 problem. |
| 15:27.57 | randomparticle | i was aware of 2, but not 1 & 3. thanks BulletCatcher |
| 15:31.27 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag code expects clock time to not jump, so I am in favor of whatever must be done to provide that. |
| 15:31.57 | randomparticle | is it possible to ping another player directly? in playing.cxx the MsgLagPing case occurs under a comment '// inter-player relayed message' |
| 15:32.07 | randomparticle | but presumably that's really a server sent message? |
| 15:32.14 | mrapple | can you block client version numbers in your bad words file? |
| 15:32.19 | BulletCatcher | No. Players do not know each others' IP addresses. |
| 15:32.42 | randomparticle | i mean rather by some command like "ping callsignabc" |
| 15:34.10 | BulletCatcher | mrapple: No. If we could it would only encourage hackers to lie in their version string. |
| 15:34.22 | mrapple | BulletCatcher: but bambino did it once iirc :( |
| 15:34.31 | mrapple | it was like Version: full version thingy here |
| 15:35.21 | BulletCatcher | randomparticle: The closest thing to that kind of ping is the /clientquery command. |
| 15:36.55 | trepan | BulletCatcher: do you still want BzTime to represent something akin to time() ? (that was your change, iirc) |
| 15:36.59 | randomparticle | i guess i could use that. might annoy some popel though :) |
| 15:37.03 | randomparticle | *people |
| 15:38.28 | randomparticle | i have implemented a jitter graph for 2.0.x btw, based on players' update msg timestamps: |
| 15:38.29 | BulletCatcher | trepan: The purpose of my change was to make it easy to compare client and server timestamps (especially when both are synchronized). Otherwise, it isn't necessary. |
| 15:38.32 | randomparticle | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1ZqWbYxFMf1KKGv5KA3DmkGiGP21 |
| 15:38.54 | trepan | BulletCatcher: and to find all the code that used floats for absolute times :) |
| 15:39.00 | BulletCatcher | That too. :-) |
| 15:39.25 | BulletCatcher | It was valuable for that, but I think you finished that effort. Thanks. |
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| 15:59.53 | randomparticle | is it possible to gradients to unfilled lines in opengl? |
| 16:00.01 | randomparticle | *to apply gradients to |
| 16:00.50 | randomparticle | i've got this line graph, but i want the peaks showing as red and the lower areas as green |
| 16:01.41 | randomparticle | the graph is drawn using a GL_LINE_STRIP |
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| 16:41.01 | trepan | randomparticle: use different colors for the line vertices |
| 16:41.35 | randomparticle | oh, that easy? ok, thanks :) |
| 16:42.26 | trepan | also, be sure to set glShadeModel(GL_SMOOTH) |
| 16:42.49 | trepan | (and glEnable(GL_LINE_SMOOTH) will probably help in your case) |
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| 16:54.33 | mrapple | trepan come backk :P |
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| 22:50.45 | joevano | and i'm back... 24 hours without power |
| 22:50.54 | brlcad | fun |
| 22:51.13 | Murielle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.29 | joevano | i would fail at being Amish |
| 22:51.50 | Bambino | joevano: how are you here without power? at work or something? |
| 22:52.55 | blast007 | Bambino: http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2006/10/hamster-wheel.jpg |
| 22:53.52 | Cobra_Slow | requesting permission to lol. |
| 22:54.29 | blast007 | permissions granted. now go get some more hamster food! PRONTO! |
| 22:54.40 | Murielle | i want that hamster too !! |
| 22:54.46 | Cobra_Slow | LOOOOL!!! *runs getting hamsterfood* |
| 22:56.58 | Bambino | blast007: that makes sense. |
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| 23:01.48 | joevano | Bambino: lost it yosterday @ 6:30... ran on UPS for over an hour bu t it gave out |
| 23:02.41 | blast007 | joevano: is it back on now? or did you find enough hamsters to run a netbook? |
| 23:02.54 | joevano | at least we got it back now... they are saying it will be Tuesday afternoon until all power is restored |
| 23:03.50 | joevano | neighbor was so proud he got the last generator from Lowes... power came on 45 minutes after his return |
| 23:04.04 | blast007 | lol |
| 23:04.43 | blast007 | see, the great thing with hamsters is that they are also meat. so in an emergency........ *gets BBQ sauce* |
| 23:04.47 | joevano | my brother did the same thing... and was bringing his new generator over when I called him off |
| 23:05.42 | joevano | blast007: did you guys get hit by the storm or did it blow up over the lake? |
| 23:07.07 | joevano | we had 80-100 ph hour winds for at least 30-45 minutes |
| 23:07.15 | joevano | mph* |
| 23:08.04 | BulletCatcher | The Amish are generally okay with using electricity, but only if it is locally generated. They are definitely off the electrical grid. |
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| 23:29.20 | blast007 | joevano: we got hit here by two waves |
| 23:29.39 | blast007 | good bit of wind |
| 23:29.56 | blast007 | took a lot of branches down in the areas around here |
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| 23:33.30 | trepan | BulletCatcher: but can the Amish play bzflag? (one assumes it would be lan only) |
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| 23:54.35 | BulletCatcher | I suspect they would object to BZFlag on principle, with all of the killing and such. |
| 23:59.39 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21250 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/m4/gl.m4: |
| 23:59.39 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: Change each instance of AC_MSG_ERROR to AC_MSG_WARN so configure will complete even in the absence of required header files. |
| 23:59.39 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: BZFlag's top-level configure skips compilation of FTGL when the headers are missing. |
