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| 12:38.37 | Cobra_Fast | lol ppl buggin me at 3 a.m. here ... |
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| 16:19.59 | mrapple | Cobra_Fast: you there? |
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| 18:15.29 | Cobra_Fast | yes mrapple |
| 18:15.46 | Cobra_Fast | when my nick says "Fast" i am |
| 18:15.50 | Cobra_Fast | usually |
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| 18:16.00 | mrapple | k |
| 18:16.04 | mrapple | talk im pm for a sec |
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| 18:25.01 | ircleuser | anyone here? |
| 18:25.18 | mrapple | yep |
| 18:25.49 | ircleuser | any bz devs or anyone who maintains the official forums/registration? |
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| 18:51.55 | Runic | ircleuser, it's better to just go ahead and ask your question, you'll usually get a solution much faster |
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| 19:23.40 | brlcad | investigated the network transfer latency problems |
| 19:24.39 | brlcad | turns out there was some problem autoselecting full-duplex mode with the switch .bz was sitting on causing massive packet errors, latency, super-slow inbound traffic, and other issues |
| 19:25.19 | brlcad | should be a lot better now, no more errors |
| 19:40.31 | Runic | thanks - the web sites do seem to be much more responsive |
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| 23:08.20 | Birdie | Hey, I just got a new laptop with windows 7, I've installed bzflag but when i start it "my screan is thrilling" |
| 23:08.27 | Birdie | any ideas? :( |
| 23:08.40 | JefferyM | video drivers |
| 23:08.52 | Birdie | drivers are all up to date |
| 23:09.02 | Birdie | normally |
| 23:09.05 | JefferyM | from windows update or from the laptop mfg? |
| 23:09.24 | Birdie | windows update I "think" |
| 23:09.32 | JefferyM | that'd be the problem |
| 23:09.38 | JefferyM | what chipset is in it? |
| 23:09.48 | Birdie | uh, how to check that? |
| 23:10.04 | JefferyM | right click destop |
| 23:10.12 | JefferyM | screen reolution |
| 23:10.17 | JefferyM | advanced settings link |
| 23:10.36 | JefferyM | then it should say it under the adapter tab |
| 23:11.17 | Birdie | ATI display adapter |
| 23:11.25 | JefferyM | no model number? |
| 23:11.36 | Birdie | 0x9553 |
| 23:11.48 | JefferyM | who makes the laptop? |
| 23:12.00 | Birdie | its a laptop from asus |
| 23:12.07 | JefferyM | model number? |
| 23:12.22 | Birdie | K72J series |
| 23:13.17 | JefferyM | jb jk or jr ? |
| 23:13.51 | JefferyM | and 64 or 32 bit windows 7? |
| 23:14.16 | Birdie | 64bit |
| 23:14.40 | Birdie | and how to know the jb jk jr thing? (i know i'm not such great pc expert..) |
| 23:14.50 | JefferyM | it may not matter |
| 23:15.07 | JefferyM | go to support.asus.com |
| 23:15.19 | JefferyM | downloads link on the right |
| 23:15.47 | JefferyM | select notebooks, K72 serries |
| 23:15.50 | JefferyM | then the JK |
| 23:16.00 | JefferyM | then pick 64 bit windows 7 |
| 23:16.05 | JefferyM | then open VGA |
| 23:16.10 | JefferyM | and download the ATI driver |
| 23:17.29 | JefferyM | probably has a radeon mobile 3200 hd in it |
| 23:18.16 | Birdie | driver is downloading |
| 23:18.30 | JefferyM | it may be a JR |
| 23:18.34 | JefferyM | that seems to be a common one |
| 23:18.41 | JefferyM | but probalby shares the drivers with all the others |
| 23:19.07 | JefferyM | it a 17 incher? |
| 23:19.28 | Birdie | jep 17 |
| 23:19.55 | JefferyM | hmm may have a HD 5470 in it |
| 23:19.58 | JefferyM | that'd be a lot better |
| 23:20.09 | Birdie | HD5145 it is |
| 23:20.15 | Birdie | its written on the laptop :) |
| 23:20.21 | JefferyM | but if it dosn't say what the chipset is in the OS that means it's runing the crap drivers from windows update |
| 23:20.23 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 23:20.25 | JefferyM | not too bad |
| 23:20.41 | Birdie | so the JK is still fine? |
| 23:20.45 | JefferyM | yeah then it is a jk |
| 23:21.02 | JefferyM | the jk has the 5154, the JR has the 5470 |
| 23:21.16 | JefferyM | http://www.amazon.com/K72JK-A1-17-3-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B003HLVJL8 |
| 23:22.14 | blast007 | might even say the JK on the bottom of the laptop |
| 23:22.59 | Birdie | kinda crap i have to install manually those driver updates (in my poor eyes), thought those things should be in their updates |
| 23:23.26 | Birdie | installed the driver |
| 23:23.46 | Birdie | propably have to reboot? |
| 23:24.37 | blast007 | no |
| 23:24.43 | blast007 | Windows 7 is generally good about that |
| 23:24.47 | blast007 | try the game now |
| 23:25.03 | Birdie | still bad |
| 23:25.16 | blast007 | what exactly is it doing? |
| 23:25.20 | Birdie | "thrilling" |
| 23:25.26 | Birdie | dont know how to explain it better |
| 23:25.33 | blast007 | no idea what that means |
| 23:25.36 | Birdie | ehm |
| 23:25.57 | blast007 | the screen is excited? :) |
| 23:26.01 | Birdie | like screan shows bzflag than black than bzflag than black, but really really fast |
| 23:26.08 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:26.12 | Birdie | excited is how you can call it :) |
| 23:26.26 | Birdie | its "shakign" if you understand that better |
| 23:26.32 | Birdie | shaking* |
| 23:26.35 | blast007 | k |
| 23:26.38 | blast007 | no idea |
| 23:26.47 | blast007 | delete your config and try again |
| 23:26.57 | Birdie | running it without config? |
| 23:27.30 | blast007 | the My BZFlag Files directory |
| 23:27.34 | blast007 | rename or delete it |
| 23:27.41 | blast007 | (inside of your Documents folder) |
| 23:28.03 | Birdie | yea found it, still bad (but with worser graphics but thats propably normal?) |
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| 23:28.22 | blast007 | but no flicker? |
| 23:28.35 | Birdie | still flicker |
| 23:28.36 | blast007 | check the OpenGL driver line |
| 23:28.39 | blast007 | if you can see it |
| 23:28.42 | blast007 | in the chat panel |
| 23:29.18 | Birdie | ati mobility radeon HD 5145 |
| 23:29.31 | blast007 | hmm, well, that's good at least |
| 23:30.23 | Birdie | at least that ;) |
| 23:30.28 | Birdie | any other ideas? |
| 23:30.41 | Birdie | (its a common problem in windows 7 or am i unique?) |
| 23:31.33 | blast007 | never heard of that problem before |
| 23:31.40 | blast007 | works just fine on my nVidia :) |
| 23:32.39 | Birdie | dumb windows 7 |
| 23:32.52 | Birdie | hopefully i dont have to go back to xp or vista just to play bzflag :) |
| 23:33.50 | blast007 | maybe the laptop is broken |
| 23:33.54 | Birdie | its a new one :) |
| 23:34.04 | blast007 | right |
| 23:34.09 | Birdie | allready a second new one, the first one lost several keys while i only worked an hour on it :) |
| 23:34.10 | blast007 | what I said still applies |
| 23:34.19 | blast007 | sounds like a great system |
| 23:34.32 | Birdie | well this one didnt had problems so far |
| 23:34.36 | Birdie | outside bzflag now |
| 23:34.40 | blast007 | try other games |
| 23:34.51 | blast007 | some opengl ones and some directX ones |
| 23:34.57 | Birdie | i'm not so enthousiastic about windows 7 though |
| 23:35.04 | blast007 | I love Windows 7 |
| 23:35.27 | blast007 | http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx <-- could try that one too |
| 23:35.34 | blast007 | it might lose some of the system's features though |
| 23:35.39 | blast007 | since that's the reference driver |
| 23:35.53 | blast007 | try a reboot just to rule that out |
| 23:36.06 | blast007 | also, are you running dual-screen? |
| 23:36.24 | Birdie | no not dual screen |
| 23:36.47 | Birdie | and i have to reboot after i installed it so i dont loose features you mean? |
| 23:38.28 | blast007 | no, I mean, reboot after the driver from ASUS just to rule out that being the problem |
| 23:38.40 | blast007 | also, this might apply to you: http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=260&threadid=134252 |
| 23:41.09 | Birdie | yep that will propably be it |
| 23:41.17 | Birdie | and with no solution there ;( |
| 23:41.34 | blast007 | well, their solution was to turn off "Catalyst AI" |
| 23:41.43 | blast007 | more of a workaround, I suppose :) |
| 23:43.48 | Birdie | yea thats not a solution in my eyes :) |
| 23:43.55 | Birdie | so guess i'm stuck without bzflag -_- |
| 23:44.05 | blast007 | try the other driver |
| 23:44.12 | blast007 | or take it back and say you want a refund |
| 23:44.21 | blast007 | and then get a laptop that isn't made by ASUS |
| 23:45.06 | Birdie | you sure the other driver wont screw anything up, right? |
| 23:45.15 | blast007 | you might lose some features |
| 23:45.15 | Birdie | cause you talked about loosing system features |
| 23:45.23 | Birdie | which sounds dangerous |
| 23:45.25 | blast007 | like, say, the ability to change your brightness, or other stuff like that |
| 23:45.59 | blast007 | do you have a restore disk? ;) |
| 23:47.06 | Birdie | yea but i'm not really looking forward to use them :) |
| 23:48.18 | blast007 | but that's half the fun! |
| 23:48.29 | blast007 | I've used them a dozen times on my laptop |
| 23:48.51 | blast007 | after which I get the pleasure of installing SP1 and SP2 to Vista |
| 23:49.07 | JefferyM | the drivers from ASUS are just repackaged ATI drivers |
| 23:49.36 | JefferyM | the only thing you could lose would be stuff like video in, something it probalby dosn't have |
| 23:49.47 | JefferyM | they should still support the HDMI out |
| 23:49.54 | JefferyM | since that is a desktop feature |
| 23:50.14 | JefferyM | BZ runs fine on my gateway laptop, and that was made by asus |
| 23:50.20 | JefferyM | and has an ATI chipset |
| 23:50.38 | blast007 | I'm just starting to not like ASUS after a few failures |
| 23:50.52 | Birdie | i allready regret i bought asus -_- |
| 23:50.54 | blast007 | the whole "crash free BIOS" is a joke ;) |
| 23:50.54 | JefferyM | they are defenatly cheap on quality |
| 23:51.02 | JefferyM | but you get what you pay for |
| 23:51.11 | JefferyM | and sometimes you can't pay a lot :) |
| 23:51.14 | blast007 | I paid $200 for the ASUS board |
| 23:51.23 | Birdie | I paid 800 euro, not that great, but not that bad either |
| 23:52.18 | blast007 | I still have the board, though - and if I ever learn to solder, there's a trick I can try to reflash it |
| 23:52.24 | JefferyM | the gateway I got was a 15.8 inch, but only cost 499$ |
| 23:52.47 | blast007 | (there's some header on the board you can rig up to a serial post on another system and flash that way) |
| 23:52.58 | blast007 | port* |
| 23:55.32 | JefferyM | needs to think up of city names for his new settlements |
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