| 00:03.30 | trepan | joevano: to clarify, i hope your fingers heals well and retains sensitivity, being the victim of an accident doesn't make you dumb; having shot two into your hand in two consecutive weeks however... |
| 00:03.30 | trepan | s/shot two/shot nails/ |
| 00:23.12 | joevano | trepan: I am well aquainted with nail gun accidents.. that is SOOOO easy to do |
| 00:23.35 | joevano | my Dad and now my brothers own a construction company |
| 00:24.08 | joevano | have seen many a nail extracted from a kneee while shingling |
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| 12:21.03 | brad | who takes care of COPPA stuff now? |
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| 14:12.59 | blast007 | brad: send it to Tim Riker |
| 14:15.43 | ts | blast007: Hrm, it looks like weblogin.php is not case preserving. Could you please make it preserve the case? :( |
| 14:20.00 | ts | blast007: in line 96 it pulls username_clean from phpbb..please use the username from the request sent in line 118 |
| 14:20.39 | blast007 | adds that to the bottom of his TODO list |
| 14:20.59 | Cobra_Fast | why isnt there a search to find textures that could fit to your purposes in the image repo? :S |
| 14:21.20 | trepan | because you haven't written it yet? |
| 14:21.20 | ts | hrm, bottom :( |
| 14:21.44 | Cobra_Fast | then i will do so? |
| 14:22.39 | Cobra_Fast | can i just write it and submit it to the sf.net tracker? |
| 14:23.19 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: end goal of mine is to rewrite images.bzflag.org from scratch and deprecate the old system |
| 14:23.40 | Cobra_Fast | blast007: you're actively working on that? |
| 14:23.44 | blast007 | haha. no |
| 14:23.53 | Cobra_Fast | see? |
| 14:23.54 | blast007 | if I was, you'd be seeing commits |
| 14:24.13 | blast007 | though I am working on a web framework that I will use to MAKE some of the sites |
| 14:24.13 | Cobra_Fast | i dont see why the actual system wont work in the future |
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| 14:24.24 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: do you know how the current system works? |
| 14:24.31 | blast007 | basically, a search won't be possible |
| 14:24.39 | Cobra_Fast | its just a bunch of directories with files in it? :S |
| 14:24.40 | blast007 | each directory has it's own database |
| 14:24.43 | blast007 | an SQLite file |
| 14:24.58 | blast007 | so you'd have to read every single SQLite database to do a search |
| 14:25.01 | Cobra_Fast | you would just scan the directories for files matching the search term |
| 14:25.11 | blast007 | meh |
| 14:25.13 | Cobra_Fast | not messing with sql |
| 14:25.30 | blast007 | it would be better just to have it all in a real database and then query that |
| 14:25.37 | Cobra_Fast | true. |
| 14:25.43 | blast007 | this was kind of an experiment when I wrote it ;) |
| 14:25.52 | blast007 | experiment failed and asploded |
| 14:26.01 | Cobra_Fast | :/ |
| 14:26.25 | Cobra_Fast | so ... why are we using as-called experimental stuff? :S |
| 14:26.39 | blast007 | cuz it was better than the old system |
| 14:26.51 | Cobra_Fast | ow an even older system |
| 14:26.53 | Cobra_Fast | kk ... |
| 14:27.09 | blast007 | old system wrote to flat text files |
| 14:27.31 | blast007 | and didn't work half the tie |
| 14:27.34 | blast007 | time* |
| 14:28.43 | trepan | you'd only have to search through 205 sqlite db's, not so bad |
| 14:28.55 | trepan | unless there are heavy irssi's running :) |
| 14:28.56 | blast007 | heh ;) |
| 14:29.03 | Cobra_Fast | you COULD create an index database :D |
| 14:29.16 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: sure, but then why have the other 205? ;) |
| 14:29.18 | Cobra_Fast | thats actualizing every 24 hours by cron |
| 14:29.37 | Cobra_Fast | idk ... someone unenlightened build it to use tons of databases :D |
| 14:29.46 | blast007 | :P |
| 14:30.03 | trepan | doesn't look like the db's contain image parameters (ex: dimensions, # of channels), you might want to hit the raw files anyways |
| 14:30.32 | Cobra_Fast | that was my idea of creating a search, scanning the directories without messing with the databases |
| 14:30.47 | blast007 | http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Wombat <-- this is an interesting system as well |
| 14:31.43 | blast007 | (keeps the images and other resources in an SVN repo) |
| 14:32.23 | blast007 | main issue is that I don't (yet) know python ;) |
| 14:32.24 | Cobra_Fast | you would need to copy all the textures and make sure the URLs stay the same |
| 14:32.35 | blast007 | no I wouldn't |
| 14:32.44 | blast007 | like I said, I could deprecate the old system |
| 14:32.56 | Cobra_Fast | than hundreds of maps would need to be fixed |
| 14:32.59 | Cobra_Fast | *then |
| 14:33.04 | blast007 | deprecate, not delete |
| 14:33.16 | blast007 | just turn off the submission system and leave the rest |
| 14:33.27 | blast007 | and move to something like resources.bzflag.org |
| 14:33.39 | Cobra_Fast | that would work |
| 14:33.41 | blast007 | cuz at some point we'll probably have more than images |
| 14:34.04 | Cobra_Fast | but the mess in the then "old" texture repo wouldnt be fixed though |
| 14:34.11 | blast007 | I've had a lot of feedback on the old repo |
| 14:34.25 | blast007 | *current repo ;) |
| 14:34.30 | blast007 | I'm already tagging it as old... |
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| 14:36.05 | Cobra_Fast | are we going to see any of the new web stuff this decade? |
| 14:38.17 | blast007 | maybe |
| 14:57.12 | mrapple_away | are we going to see any this year? |
| 15:07.03 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03runic * r21210 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: - fixes issue where MsgMessage (chat, server messages) were not being display in bzadmin's ui |
| 15:07.04 | blast007 | maybe |
| 15:07.44 | DTRemenak | blast007: we talked to kai about wombat when he was first putting it together a few years ago. seems like a neat system (and python isn't that hard). |
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| 15:08.19 | blast007 | DTRemenak: yeah, just takes time ;) |
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| 15:17.15 | mrapple_away | what is chathistory.so plugin? |
| 15:18.28 | Runic | it allows admin to look up chat history logs |
| 15:18.44 | Runic | in game |
| 15:24.09 | mrapple_away | cool how |
| 15:24.19 | mrapple_away | slash command? |
| 15:24.28 | blast007 | yup |
| 15:24.29 | Runic | read the source code for that plugin |
| 15:24.34 | mrapple_away | kk |
| 15:24.38 | mrapple_away | thanks :) |
| 15:45.30 | Cobra_Fast | new version of my avatar themed map is up on the server - for everyone who's interested. |
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| 16:31.10 | blast007 | hehe.. |
| 16:31.12 | blast007 | configure: error: c-ares library defective or too old |
| 16:31.12 | blast007 | configure: error: ./configure failed for src/other/curl |
| 16:31.48 | blast007 | I don't have a local c-ares installed - so does that mean the one in our repo is too old (or just broken) for the curl in our repo? |
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| 16:40.06 | JeffM2501 | no, it was replaced recently |
| 16:40.14 | JeffM2501 | fir a bit it was newer then crul |
| 16:40.17 | JeffM2501 | curl |
| 16:41.42 | blast007 | didn't work with my locally installed c-ares either |
| 16:41.52 | blast007 | and my VM is acting up, so I'm starting over now ;) |
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| 16:43.37 | DTRemenak | blast007: it's possible that curl's configure doesn't detect our ares because it hasn't been built yet |
| 16:43.53 | blast007 | probably |
| 16:44.10 | blast007 | the ares in the debian etch repo might be too old, as well ;) |
| 16:44.23 | DTRemenak | someone with more autotools-fu than I have might be able to figure out how to make it work appropriately |
| 16:44.38 | DTRemenak | yes, it's likely |
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| 16:50.03 | BulletCatcher | Currently, the bundled ares is expected to be built before the bundled curl will detect it. |
| 16:50.19 | BulletCatcher | FTGL had the same problem with freetype. |
| 16:50.23 | BulletCatcher | I don't have a fix yet. |
| 16:52.27 | BulletCatcher | The bundled curl ought to work with the system version of ares, though, if the headers are installed. |
| 16:52.49 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: is there a minimum version? |
| 16:53.18 | BulletCatcher | Yes, but it is really old. |
| 16:53.25 | blast007 | etch had 1.1.1 |
| 16:53.33 | BulletCatcher | Maybe not that old. :-) |
| 16:53.55 | blast007 | ;) |
| 16:54.04 | blast007 | I'll just install a system curl too |
| 16:54.12 | blast007 | just trying to get the source tars build |
| 16:54.20 | BulletCatcher | That should work. |
| 16:54.37 | DTRemenak | bzflag itself almost certainly requires a newer version of ares than that |
| 16:54.40 | blast007 | (was just curious to see what would happen with minimal system installed deps) |
| 16:54.46 | blast007 | DTRemenak: hrm |
| 16:55.12 | DTRemenak | though I'm not sure if configure got adjusted to check for a newer one |
| 16:56.17 | blast007 | debian lenny still has 1.1.1 for libares, but 1.5.2 for libc-ares - is it libc-ares that I want? |
| 16:56.23 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 16:56.35 | DTRemenak | that should be new enough for curl. maybe not for bzflag. |
| 16:56.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:56.52 | DTRemenak | I added some code that might require 1.7. |
| 16:56.55 | BulletCatcher | ares is the older package that c-ares is derived from. |
| 16:57.09 | DTRemenak | try it and see ;) |
| 16:57.11 | BulletCatcher | And c-ares is what BZFlag needs. |
| 16:57.26 | blast007 | DTRemenak: well, I'm not using lenny ;) |
| 16:57.26 | bryjen | reading the ./configure in src/curl, looks like it wants at least c-ares 1.4.0 |
| 16:57.49 | blast007 | etch doesn't have libc-ares |
| 16:58.02 | blast007 | I could just go with Ubuntu 10.04 too :P |
| 16:58.04 | DTRemenak | and it might be possible to make some minor code changes to make it work with older ares too, just not something I looked in to |
| 16:58.27 | DTRemenak | wasn't very concerned about that at the time |
| 17:02.44 | BulletCatcher | If we can make the bundled c-ares work then we won't need to worry about support for older versions. |
| 17:08.00 | blast007 | I decided to cover all my bases, so I'm install etch, lenny, and the latest ubuntu :P |
| 17:08.05 | blast007 | installing* |
| 17:13.57 | BulletCatcher | To make embedded FTGL work with embedded Freetype the FTGL configure.ac is modified to accept --enable-freetype-build, and to bypass all of the checks when it is used. |
| 17:14.16 | BulletCatcher | I should be able to do the same sort of thing for curl and ares. |
| 17:19.58 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21211 10/trunk/bzflag/Makefile.am: Remove confdefs.h in make distclean. It may be left around when configure fails. |
| 17:27.39 | joevano | not for the weak stomached... but here is the damage to my finger http://db.tt/LFb0HE |
| 17:28.09 | blast007 | gah |
| 17:28.48 | joevano | still bleeding 24 hours later... they say it should stop by tomarrow |
| 17:29.00 | joevano | tomorrow* |
| 17:29.08 | BulletCatcher | averts his eyes |
| 17:29.37 | bryjen | just finished lunch, and so will not be looking |
| 17:30.19 | joevano | the vikodin is really helping ;-) |
| 17:34.36 | brad | ouchy joevano |
| 17:43.29 | trepan | BulletCatcher: you can also use --enable-all-builds to test them all in one go |
| 17:43.48 | trepan | (in theory ;) |
| 17:46.14 | BulletCatcher | I'm doing that right now to test my fix. |
| 17:47.12 | BulletCatcher | It takes my single-core computer about 25 minutes to do a full build of trunk. |
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| 19:06.34 | CIA-86 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r21212 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/m4/curl-confopts.m4: BZFlag embeds c-ares in a sibling directory of curl rather than a subdirectory. |
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| 19:08.05 | BulletCatcher | That ought to make embedded curl successfully use our embedded c-ares. |
| 19:10.07 | BulletCatcher | Does anyone else get a blank space instead of a capital P for certain font sizes? I see that in the trunk server list, for instance. |
| 19:13.20 | bryjen | BulletCatcher: try resizing or minimize/restore the widow |
| 19:13.34 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, yeah I get that in fullscreen |
| 19:14.25 | bryjen | so do I. it goes away after aforementioned window size changes |
| 19:14.38 | JeffM2501 | still sounds like a bug |
| 19:15.13 | JeffM2501 | wow, the font settings menu has fubared font names |
| 19:15.53 | BulletCatcher | We already have a note in the BUGS file about invisible letters in the Vera Mono Bold 24 font. |
| 19:15.56 | bryjen | iirc it used to do that to me on a different letter. capital J maybe. now it's P |
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| 19:16.37 | JeffM2501 | it's TTF there is no file for a specific size |
| 19:17.14 | BulletCatcher | Yes, but the bug seems to occur only for certain sizes. |
| 19:18.20 | JeffM2501 | probably a FTGL bug, I can make capital P's in photoshop using the font at 24 point |
| 19:20.01 | bryjen | rats, there no P in the MOTD ;) |
| 19:21.23 | bryjen | "Password" is OK on the join screen. But the server list has " layers" and " ing" |
| 19:25.17 | bryjen | ~bzpastebin |
| 19:25.18 | ibot | [bzpastebin] http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel |
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| 19:26.03 | bryjen | hrm. 403 forbidden :( |
| 19:28.09 | blast007 | bryjen: it was turned off |
| 19:28.14 | blast007 | too much spam |
| 19:28.18 | bryjen | http://pastebin.com/xjkcZuKR |
| 19:28.59 | bryjen | ibot: no, bzpastebin is full of spam |
| 19:29.00 | ibot | okay, bryjen |
| 19:29.09 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.09 | bryjen | dont know if that's the P problem or something else entirely |
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| 23:27.40 | Bambino | we need an admin on wtwrp.de:55154 - Hairy_ball,,,is on |
| 23:28.07 | Bambino | Cobra_Slow: would you like to ban him? I hear it's your map/server. |
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| 23:39.46 | me1 | if he's slow that means he's not here |