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| 05:40.12 | Bloody_Sorrow | jeff, u there? |
| 05:40.17 | Bloody_Sorrow | gr |
| 05:41.32 | Bloody_Sorrow | i need help with reggin a name... many of us have been waiting along time for an email confirmation |
| 05:41.43 | blast007 | "many of us" ? |
| 05:41.54 | temporalD | his many personalities |
| 05:41.57 | Bloody_Sorrow | hey blast, yes |
| 05:42.18 | blast007 | who would the "many" be? |
| 05:42.41 | blast007 | and have you checked your spam folder in your email? |
| 05:43.21 | Bloody_Sorrow | well, ive heard many of people havn the same prob, only 1 i can think of is "birther" at the moment.. hes been wait for 1 month i think... me 2-3 wks |
| 05:43.25 | Bloody_Sorrow | yes |
| 05:43.30 | blast007 | eh |
| 05:43.43 | blast007 | email doesn't take a month to get there ;) |
| 05:43.48 | blast007 | and waiting that long won't make it come |
| 05:44.02 | blast007 | what name did you try to register? |
| 05:44.10 | Bloody_Sorrow | yes, but ive talked too many noubs havn the same prob, but... im notta noub :P |
| 05:44.18 | Bloody_Sorrow | bloodie sorrow |
| 05:44.33 | blast007 | go to the private window with my name instead so we can continue |
| 05:48.18 | Bloody_Sorrow | not nice temop, expected better of ya :P |
| 05:48.44 | temporalD | was barely a joke - lighten up |
| 05:55.42 | Bloody_Sorrow | you do the same |
| 05:56.34 | a_meteorite | his second personality took awhile to engage |
| 05:56.48 | temporalD | guess so - kinda snarky |
| 05:58.07 | Bloody_Sorrow | im trying to correct something, seriously, do u mind? oh my goodness |
| 05:58.58 | a_meteorite | we mind enough to pay attention to the channel and make half a joke, oh my goodness indeed |
| 05:59.41 | a_meteorite | the horror. |
| 05:59.44 | Bloody_Sorrow | then just keep it shut and have repsect, too much to ask? |
| 06:00.03 | temporalD | it really is too much to ask, yes |
| 06:00.06 | Bloody_Sorrow | just sum1 lookn for help... leave alone |
| 06:00.17 | a_meteorite | can you speak english? |
| 06:00.25 | temporalD | oh well |
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| 06:00.50 | Bloody_Sorrow | omg, immature, just leave me alone |
| 06:01.19 | a_meteorite | right... |
| 06:01.47 | blast007 | ..... |
| 06:05.00 | Bloody_Sorrow | temp, ive had respect for you, but now.... wtf? |
| 06:05.42 | blast007 | he left, if you didn't notice |
| 06:05.45 | blast007 | and really, just stop |
| 06:08.23 | Bloody_Sorrow | ...not tryin to cause probs, really..... dang just trying to ask for help |
| 06:09.26 | Bloody_Sorrow | but can't say that's not the usual reponnse i get from admins andothers |
| 06:09.48 | blast007 | if you want help, then respond to what I'm asking you. |
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| 07:00.09 | blast007 | and away goes his account |
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| 15:08.05 | Gniarf | I want these graphics in bzflag http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/04/02/mud-or-sludge-tanks-dont-trudge/ |
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| 17:07.59 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/colorFaces.jpg |
| 17:08.19 | trepan | (backported BZDB controlled dynamic colors to v2_0branch ...) |
| 17:10.22 | trepan | sorta like the Billy Jean video ;) |
| 17:11.07 | Cobra_Fast | are these tank-tracks? |
| 17:11.24 | JeffM2501 | no surfaces with materials |
| 17:11.32 | trepan | bzfs plugin detects physics driver changes, and adjusts BZDB variables |
| 17:11.48 | Cobra_Fast | but it looks like they were functioning like tank-tracks |
| 17:12.23 | trepan | they are, but BZDB controlled dynamic colors can be used for a number of different things |
| 17:12.51 | trepan | and they fit within the 0026 protocol :) |
| 17:13.01 | trepan | (as was done with DrawInfos) |
| 17:13.07 | JeffM2501 | so should I just move trunk to a tag then? |
| 17:13.36 | JeffM2501 | nobody wants to work on it |
| 17:13.42 | trepan | heh -- sure |
| 17:13.49 | trepan | the big problem is still DR, no? |
| 17:14.02 | trepan | or DR + some network weirdness |
| 17:14.25 | JeffM2501 | by tag I mean kill it |
| 17:14.36 | JeffM2501 | seems everyone wans to work on old prroto |
| 17:14.43 | JeffM2501 | 3.0 == 1.8 |
| 17:15.14 | JeffM2501 | 3.0 has had a list of stuff it needs for months now, nobody wants to do it |
| 17:15.18 | JeffM2501 | so that means it's dead |
| 17:15.38 | trepan | just one big one, iirc |
| 17:15.55 | trepan | (playability) |
| 17:16.03 | JeffM2501 | and the flag zap thing |
| 17:16.11 | JeffM2501 | since we broke behavor |
| 17:16.19 | trepan | don't remember that one |
| 17:16.23 | trepan | what was the problem? |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM2501 | droping a flag under a teleporter will no longer make it jump back to 0,0 |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM2501 | I wrote up what was needed |
| 17:17.12 | trepan | not a real problem |
| 17:17.12 | trepan | maps could be adjusted |
| 17:17.15 | JeffM2501 | if we want that to be a real behavor we should support it properly |
| 17:17.29 | trepan | a wouldn't gate a release based on that |
| 17:17.31 | JeffM2501 | and it should not be hard to just define a zone that lets them send any flag anywhere |
| 17:17.40 | trepan | s/a/I/ |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM2501 | it'll take less time then playablility ;) |
| 17:17.58 | JeffM2501 | but yes it could be added after |
| 17:18.00 | trepan | yup ... but it won't matter unless the playability gets fixed ;) |
| 17:18.02 | JeffM2501 | since it's a server only thing |
| 17:18.14 | JeffM2501 | nobody will do it |
| 17:18.24 | JeffM2501 | nobody has done it for YEARS |
| 17:18.32 | trepan | it done got busted good ... when? |
| 17:18.35 | JeffM2501 | we didn't even let 1.8 sit this long |
| 17:18.39 | BulletCatcher | I think the most difficult and most critical bug we have in trunk is in dead reckoning. |
| 17:18.40 | BulletCatcher | There doesn't seem much point in working on other parts of it while that is so broken. |
| 17:18.48 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, yes |
| 17:18.56 | JeffM2501 | that's the major part of "playability" |
| 17:19.24 | JeffM2501 | I've tried multiple times to see what is wrong, including taking out my DR code and it's still jerky |
| 17:19.32 | JeffM2501 | so I am at a loss for what to do |
| 17:19.42 | trepan | i remember there being _way_ too many DR updates too |
| 17:20.21 | BulletCatcher | There is also the high lag problem. I wonder if it is related to DR. |
| 17:20.23 | JeffM2501 | my DR change is very simple to disable, you just change it from using the packet start time to the packet received time |
| 17:20.40 | JeffM2501 | since that's what the old code did |
| 17:20.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure the reported lag is correct |
| 17:21.11 | JeffM2501 | when I had it loging out the lag times from my clock messages it was VERY different from the reported lag |
| 17:21.37 | JeffM2501 | the reported lag does some averaging and computation on the numbers |
| 17:22.45 | BulletCatcher | Interestingly, a downunder player (who is very experienced with high lag) recently suggested to me that 2.0.x lag numbers are too low. Perhaps 1/2 the actual value. |
| 17:23.23 | BulletCatcher | Of course, it is hard to have an independent measurement. |
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| 17:23.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't think a proper analasis of what we do now and in the past has been done |
| 17:23.54 | JeffM2501 | not really, you can make your client log out the send and receive time of the packets |
| 17:24.08 | JeffM2501 | and then save off the "reported" lag after each ping |
| 17:24.11 | JeffM2501 | see how far they are off |
| 17:24.21 | JeffM2501 | that would be a simple test |
| 17:24.28 | JeffM2501 | and testable in both versions |
| 17:25.04 | BulletCatcher | Yes. At least for development it would be helpful to separate network lag from client/server lag. |
| 17:25.30 | JeffM2501 | well in bzflag they are effectivly the same |
| 17:25.35 | JeffM2501 | since we don't do our networking in a thread |
| 17:25.49 | JeffM2501 | the packet has to wait for the client and server loops |
| 17:26.38 | BulletCatcher | For a development version of trunk we could add timestamps into PS packets to measure them separately. |
| 17:26.59 | BulletCatcher | It would work best when client and server have synchronized clocks. |
| 17:27.04 | BulletCatcher | NTP FTW |
| 17:27.10 | JeffM2501 | we have that in trunk |
| 17:27.16 | JeffM2501 | that's how DR and other stuff works |
| 17:27.43 | JeffM2501 | hell we had 2 seperate synced clocks at once :) |
| 17:28.18 | JeffM2501 | I think a first step would be to review the lagstats code in trunk |
| 17:28.21 | JeffM2501 | see if it makes sense |
| 17:28.30 | JeffM2501 | and see if anyone changed it from branch |
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| 17:28.36 | JeffM2501 | if they did, see what and why they did it |
| 17:29.08 | BulletCatcher | That sounds like a good plan. |
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| 17:29.31 | JeffM2501 | but if this work on branch keeps going, with no work on trunk, then it's time to just admit it, and kill trunk |
| 17:31.06 | JeffM2501 | this year would be the FIFTH aneversary of the branch trunk split |
| 17:31.12 | JeffM2501 | and it's still not friggin released |
| 17:31.21 | JeffM2501 | that's just sad |
| 17:32.57 | BulletCatcher | I, for one, am willing to return my focus to trunk. |
| 17:34.51 | trepan | if trunk is killed, tabula rasa? :) |
| 17:35.07 | JeffM2501 | not in this project |
| 17:35.20 | JeffM2501 | there would be no need nor reason to keep tim involved in a do over |
| 17:35.40 | trepan | didn't assume he would be |
| 17:36.09 | trepan | having an org setup would be a nice start |
| 17:37.17 | JeffM2501 | looks like 1.8 only lasted a year as a misunderstood / poorly worked on codebase |
| 17:37.33 | JeffM2501 | so trunk wins that title hands down :) |
| 17:37.49 | JeffM2501 | I would not start an org for something new untill 1.0 was released |
| 17:38.00 | JeffM2501 | just to make sure it is all worth it |
| 17:39.29 | BulletCatcher | Did the new DR *ever* work in trunk? If so, temporarily rolling back a few thousand commits might provide some insight. |
| 17:40.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's ever been smooth |
| 17:40.26 | JeffM2501 | but then if you look at branch, it's also not smooth |
| 17:40.33 | JeffM2501 | the question is why does trunk look worse |
| 17:40.48 | BulletCatcher | Branch is smooth enough with low lag/jitter. |
| 17:40.59 | JeffM2501 | I think it's more important to find out why it looks bad and make it play well rather then just assume that what we had in the past was "fine" |
| 17:41.13 | JeffM2501 | if we are ok with the past then screw 3.0 and the future |
| 17:41.23 | trepan | i think it's more important to get a back to the state of v2_0branch |
| 17:41.24 | JeffM2501 | backport what you need and kill trunk |
| 17:41.34 | trepan | s/to get a/to get it/ |
| 17:41.46 | JeffM2501 | do you think that's possible in the trunk codebase? |
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| 17:41.58 | trepan | it's just software, sure |
| 17:42.05 | JeffM2501 | I mean really for the DR "lag comp" code I addd, just change what time is used |
| 17:42.25 | JeffM2501 | since that's all the inital change was after the clock was setup |
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| 17:43.04 | JeffM2501 | hell I may have even left it tied to a #def or bzdb var |
| 17:44.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah, _useServerDRClock |
| 17:44.46 | JeffM2501 | that togles the lag comp code on and off |
| 17:44.58 | BulletCatcher | It sounds like we could easily undo the lag comp change, but that may not help much. |
| 17:45.00 | BulletCatcher | That would leave the lag problem as the biggest mystery. |
| 17:45.17 | JeffM2501 | set that var to true, and bam it's off |
| 17:45.24 | JeffM2501 | wait, no sorry, it IS off |
| 17:45.32 | JeffM2501 | the var dosn't exist |
| 17:45.36 | JeffM2501 | so the default is false |
| 17:45.47 | JeffM2501 | so what you have RIGHT NOW is non lag comped code |
| 17:45.59 | JeffM2501 | it's using the same clocks and deltas that branch uses |
| 17:46.49 | BulletCatcher | goes to turn it on and see what happens |
| 17:47.21 | JeffM2501 | there may be odd behavor during the one update when it is toggled |
| 17:47.34 | JeffM2501 | as the start time will be in one state and the current time in another |
| 17:47.43 | JeffM2501 | but as soon as you get a new update you'll be fine |
| 17:48.37 | BulletCatcher | Bah. Can't spawn. |
| 17:48.47 | JeffM2501 | that happens a lot to me in branch |
| 17:48.54 | BulletCatcher | On catay's server. |
| 17:49.31 | BulletCatcher | I'm okay on another. |
| 17:49.58 | trepan | on a bit of a tangent, i find 2.99 testing painful because of the amount of time it takes to load fonts |
| 17:50.14 | trepan | suppose we could eventually add font texture caching to FTGL |
| 17:50.21 | trepan | (or replace FTGL) |
| 17:50.30 | JeffM2501 | with what? |
| 17:50.35 | JeffM2501 | our own font rasterizer? |
| 17:50.43 | trepan | no, freetype could still be used |
| 17:50.53 | JeffM2501 | may as well fix ftgl |
| 17:51.01 | JeffM2501 | brlcad is an admin on it, you can get commit access |
| 17:51.34 | trepan | wouldn't be that hard to replace FTGL |
| 17:51.44 | BulletCatcher | Anyone want to join me at bzflag3.norang.ca:10000 for testing? |
| 17:51.57 | JeffM2501 | what would you do differently then ftgl? |
| 17:52.03 | trepan | caching for one |
| 17:52.11 | trepan | proper outline generation |
| 17:52.22 | trepan | with messing about with GL state |
| 17:52.29 | trepan | s/with/less |
| 17:52.36 | trepan | BulletCatcher: sure, compiling |
| 17:52.41 | JeffM2501 | so sounds like you just want to make ftgl2 :) |
| 17:52.52 | trepan | no, FTGL has a lot that we don't need |
| 17:53.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh so fastftgl |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM2501 | fftgl |
| 17:53.46 | JeffM2501 | I don't remember it being so slow when I made the first ftgl based font manager |
| 17:53.58 | JeffM2501 | but then I wasn't doing unicode |
| 18:02.26 | BulletCatcher | Enabling _useServerDRClock causes much craziness. |
| 18:03.30 | trepan | had to kill the client, started hogging memory during a context switch |
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| 18:07.13 | BulletCatcher | Motion seems reasonably smooth without _useServerDRClock, but the lag problem is definitely still there. |
| 18:07.43 | JeffM2501 | what is your ping to the server via non game tests? |
| 18:07.53 | JeffM2501 | how does that compare to the ping reported in game? |
| 18:08.06 | BulletCatcher | My perception is that the numbers reported by /lagstats is consistent with actual round trip times. |
| 18:08.17 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 18:08.20 | JeffM2501 | that's what it should be |
| 18:08.49 | BulletCatcher | Ping reports 98 msec for me. |
| 18:08.58 | BulletCatcher | In game was 122 or so, IIRC. |
| 18:09.15 | BulletCatcher | If so, then that's pretty good. |
| 18:09.25 | JeffM2501 | what would be interesting is to find a server that hosts both branch and trunk servers |
| 18:09.27 | JeffM2501 | and compare them |
| 18:09.37 | JeffM2501 | since they should report the same values |
| 18:10.05 | BulletCatcher | Trunk lag times are at least 30ms higher to localhost. |
| 18:11.32 | BulletCatcher | I am getting 200ms in game right now. |
| 18:11.42 | AAA_awright | Ideally both with and without a load/connected players, since processing other events will delay when the server and client will get around to handling the ping packet |
| 18:11.52 | BulletCatcher | (to bzflag3) |
| 18:12.50 | BulletCatcher | ping == 100ms, in-game == 200 ms from me to bzflag3 |
| 18:13.59 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, yes empty servers would be the best place to start |
| 18:14.35 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 18:14.40 | JeffM2501 | somone should go over the lagstats code I belive the last one to work on it was chestal |
| 18:15.01 | AAA_awright | The slash command? |
| 18:15.02 | BulletCatcher | Branch reports 117 ms to bzflag3. |
| 18:15.28 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, the various commands are all just interfaces to the same lagstats system |
| 18:15.40 | JeffM2501 | that's what should be reviewed, how lag is measured |
| 18:15.47 | JeffM2501 | what happens to the pings etc.. |
| 18:19.25 | JeffM2501 | ponders what compiler to put on the new laptop |
| 18:25.04 | trepan | BulletCatcher: segv'ed there ;) |
| 18:25.09 | BulletCatcher | yay |
| 18:34.10 | BulletCatcher | It is suspicious that jitter in trunk is always 9-10 ms for everyone. |
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| 18:35.02 | AAA_awright | I see how that works, that's... huh. Any reason the message is created inside the LagInfo class instead of the slash command? Private members? |
| 18:36.03 | JeffM2501 | to make it more reusable |
| 18:36.06 | AAA_awright | BulletCatcher: In the branch it's what, +-3 to 12 ms? I don't pay too much attention... |
| 18:36.18 | JeffM2501 | making things self-contained == good |
| 18:36.30 | BulletCatcher | I often see 0 jitter in branch. |
| 18:36.31 | JeffM2501 | then you can fire off lag messages with out using a slash command.. like say from a plugin |
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| 18:39.06 | BulletCatcher | I get about 3 ms jitter to the same server in 2.0.14. |
| 18:42.17 | AAA_awright | The players on Missile War right now have an average jitter of 2.7ms, ranging between 0 and 8ms |
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| 18:43.31 | fluffy_mcduff | hey ive noticed something when using bzflag on my mac. |
| 18:43.45 | JeffM2501 | jitter is generaly a client induced thing, so you'd have to compare the same player using the same version |
| 18:44.13 | fluffy_mcduff | when BZ is fullscreen, it seems like it's on top of everything. |
| 18:44.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah.. that's kinda the definition of full screen |
| 18:44.54 | fluffy_mcduff | in other apps though, you can use expose and spaces |
| 18:45.03 | fluffy_mcduff | and growl notifications still show up |
| 18:45.14 | fluffy_mcduff | when theyre in fullscreen. |
| 18:45.15 | JeffM2501 | fullscreen is implemented as a big window |
| 18:45.24 | fluffy_mcduff | no quite |
| 18:45.26 | fluffy_mcduff | *not |
| 18:45.28 | JeffM2501 | ok then those apps do things differently then we do |
| 18:45.35 | JeffM2501 | no I mean in techincal terms |
| 18:45.40 | fluffy_mcduff | oh |
| 18:45.48 | JeffM2501 | all drawing has to take place in a window |
| 18:45.57 | JeffM2501 | so we just make a big old window |
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| 18:46.21 | JeffM2501 | and yeah the mac version of sdl dosn't do many "mac" like things, and we don't have mac specific code to handle them |
| 18:46.24 | fluffy_mcduff | well, if it acted like a window with no titlebar stuff like expose, spaces, dashboard, growl etc could still be used. |
| 18:46.38 | JeffM2501 | feel free to change it |
| 18:46.42 | fluffy_mcduff | oh, so it's sdl's fault. |
| 18:46.42 | fluffy_mcduff | cool |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM2501 | SDL handles window management for us on OSX |
| 18:46.54 | JeffM2501 | and linux |
| 18:46.56 | fluffy_mcduff | are you firmiliar with macs? |
| 18:47.13 | JeffM2501 | yes and no |
| 18:47.18 | JeffM2501 | I haven't owned one in a while |
| 18:47.27 | JeffM2501 | but I know how they handle there internal window stuff |
| 18:47.31 | JeffM2501 | they leave a lot up to the app |
| 18:47.42 | fluffy_mcduff | do you know about dashboard, expose, spaces and stuff like that? |
| 18:47.46 | JeffM2501 | and bzflag has very little mac specific code |
| 18:48.02 | JeffM2501 | I know there are things that will modify the window state based on events |
| 18:48.08 | JeffM2501 | and those tools use those events |
| 18:48.33 | JeffM2501 | bzlfag works differently then most apps because it may change the screen resolution |
| 18:48.35 | fluffy_mcduff | well, when steam comes for mac, i'm worried that steam notifications will be covered. |
| 18:48.40 | JeffM2501 | and that often does not play well with others |
| 18:48.42 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:48.48 | JeffM2501 | then fix bzflag, you have the source :) |
| 18:49.04 | fluffy_mcduff | so that should be something looked into for *.99 |
| 18:49.15 | fluffy_mcduff | actually, i dont have the source at the moment |
| 18:49.17 | JeffM2501 | dunno, you going to do it? |
| 18:49.25 | JeffM2501 | it can be done in any version |
| 18:49.33 | JeffM2501 | but we don't do task assignments |
| 18:49.38 | fluffy_mcduff | my bandwidth varies between 15 and 4 kb/s |
| 18:49.45 | JeffM2501 | so it would only happen if someone decided to take the time to do it |
| 18:49.55 | fluffy_mcduff | i can't download *.16 yet |
| 18:50.01 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 18:50.08 | fluffy_mcduff | so i doubt i could download the source :D |
| 18:50.19 | JeffM2501 | given the other problems with 2.99.x what you describe is a very minor problem :) |
| 18:50.29 | fluffy_mcduff | but i'm going home tomorro, so i could give it a shot. |
| 18:52.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet that since it's set as topmost is the main problem |
| 18:52.16 | JeffM2501 | most apps don't do that |
| 18:52.23 | fluffy_mcduff | ill try to download the source |
| 18:52.31 | fluffy_mcduff | yeh that might be the problem. |
| 18:52.46 | JeffM2501 | it may be a sdl setting but it may be a change that needs to happen to SDL |
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| 18:53.45 | fluffy_mcduff | downloading at a speedy 10 kb/s |
| 18:53.58 | fluffy_mcduff | oh, oh, hold you breath everybody, its at 11 |
| 18:54.37 | fluffy_mcduff | holy toledo folks! 12 kilobytes per second! |
| 19:01.53 | fluffy_mcduff | </announcervoice> |
| 19:05.01 | fluffy_mcduff | 1/2 a mb to go |
| 19:05.39 | fluffy_mcduff | done |
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| 19:07.54 | fluffy_mcduff | hey applemeister |
| 19:07.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | hi |
| 19:08.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyone know how hepcat does the automatic countdown then restart and switch to a new map? |
| 19:08.18 | fluffy_mcduff | i'm trying to fix something with the fullscreen window on mac |
| 19:08.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | whats the problem |
| 19:08.45 | JeffM2501 | mrapplecomputer1, there are a few ways to do mapchange |
| 19:08.53 | JeffM2501 | some involve plugins some use OS scripts |
| 19:09.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | yah, other ways then the mapchange plugin? |
| 19:09.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | im fine with an OS script too |
| 19:09.24 | JeffM2501 | the countdown would be hard with out a plugin |
| 19:09.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | thats fine too |
| 19:09.31 | JeffM2501 | you need something in the server to trigger it |
| 19:09.34 | brad | it just uses -time |
| 19:09.34 | fluffy_mcduff | @mrapplecomputer1 have you noticed when in fullscreen, you can't use growl, spaces, expose or anything but bz? |
| 19:09.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | or plugin and script would be fine |
| 19:09.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can do a timed game in a script and have it check to see when the app dies |
| 19:09.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | fluffy_mcduff: do command-tab |
| 19:09.58 | fluffy_mcduff | hang on, im switching to colloquy |
| 19:10.15 | JeffM2501 | mrapplecomputer1 what exactly do you want to do? |
| 19:10.19 | BulletCatcher | mrapplecomputer1: A /listplugins command at hepcat will give you a hint about how they do it. |
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| 19:10.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | so i have a mapfile that regenerates ever so often located at like http://example.com/map.bzw |
| 19:10.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | and every three hours or so I just want the server to restart |
| 19:11.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | so it technically is a different map, just the same URL though |
| 19:11.12 | JeffM2501 | then make a bash script that does it |
| 19:11.22 | JeffM2501 | bzfs can't get a map from a URL |
| 19:11.29 | JeffM2501 | so your script will have to download it |
| 19:11.34 | JeffM2501 | and use it |
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| 19:12.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | uhm yes it can |
| 19:12.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | bzfs -world http://example.com/world.bzw |
| 19:12.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | works great for me |
| 19:12.42 | JeffM2501 | ok then just run it in a script that uses -time with a loop |
| 19:12.46 | JeffM2501 | should be simple |
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| 19:13.57 | fluffymcduff | okay back |
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| 19:16.38 | fluffymcduff | JeffM2501: what kind of display did you say it was? |
| 19:17.45 | JeffM2501 | display? |
| 19:17.58 | fluffymcduff | was it called topmost? |
| 19:18.22 | JeffM2501 | that's what the atribute is called on windows, I don't know what the OSX variant is |
| 19:18.32 | JeffM2501 | but it probalby won't be in the bzflag code |
| 19:18.32 | fluffymcduff | ah |
| 19:18.34 | JeffM2501 | it'll be in sdl |
| 19:18.46 | JeffM2501 | we just set the SDL fullscreen property |
| 19:18.47 | fluffymcduff | not MacWindow.cxx |
| 19:18.50 | JeffM2501 | and it does the rest |
| 19:18.54 | JeffM2501 | macwindow isn't used |
| 19:19.00 | fluffymcduff | oh. |
| 19:19.03 | JeffM2501 | that's the old OSX specific stuff |
| 19:19.07 | fluffymcduff | wrong file :P |
| 19:19.09 | JeffM2501 | before the mac used SDL |
| 19:19.28 | fluffymcduff | what about SDLMain.m |
| 19:19.36 | JeffM2501 | thats part of sdl |
| 19:19.42 | JeffM2501 | the objective C part IIRC |
| 19:20.10 | fluffymcduff | ahaa... |
| 19:20.50 | fluffymcduff | i hate objC though. |
| 19:20.59 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 19:21.29 | JeffM2501 | so sorry the world dosn't work to your personal tastes ;) |
| 19:21.36 | fluffymcduff | lol |
| 19:24.49 | fluffymcduff | i seem to remember a way to hide the menubar and dock in an app |
| 19:25.01 | fluffymcduff | i could use that, and not worry about messing with SDL |
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| 19:26.18 | fluffymcduff | i forgot the flag in make to use multiple threads |
| 19:26.23 | fluffymcduff | -j3 ? |
| 19:28.31 | fluffymcduff | i also noticed that BZ only uses one processor core |
| 19:29.25 | Cobra_Fast | fluffymcduff: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?make |
| 19:29.27 | Cobra_Fast | -j N |
| 19:29.34 | fluffymcduff | oops |
| 19:30.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah what would bz do with the others? |
| 19:30.04 | JeffM2501 | it's a very old game |
| 19:30.16 | JeffM2501 | it's all single threaded |
| 19:31.04 | fluffymcduff | oh noes! |
| 19:32.18 | fluffymcduff | http://pastebin.com/DPK67cUm |
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| 19:37.11 | fluffymcduff | i don't think *.12 asked for fonts... |
| 19:37.38 | BulletCatcher | autogen.sh wants the "head" "tail" and "pwd" commands to work. You'll need to fix that somehow, perhaps by adjusting your PATH environment variable. |
| 19:38.01 | fluffymcduff | hmm |
| 19:39.14 | BulletCatcher | On my MacBook they are in /usr/bin and /bin . |
| 19:39.48 | fluffymcduff | $PATH ? |
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| 19:40.45 | fluffymcduff | i found $PATH_TO_AUTOGEN |
| 19:41.19 | BulletCatcher | PATH in your shell environment, not in the script. |
| 19:42.09 | JeffM2501 | what version of OSX? I haven't heard of people having to set up that before on a mac? |
| 19:42.12 | fluffymcduff | ah |
| 19:42.19 | JeffM2501 | and did you install the dev tools? |
| 19:42.23 | fluffymcduff | yep |
| 19:42.43 | fluffymcduff | so i ran autogen, configure and make in the shell. |
| 19:42.55 | fluffymcduff | but now it flips out in xcode |
| 19:43.04 | JeffM2501 | how did you run configigure if autogen failed? |
| 19:43.30 | JeffM2501 | your autogen and configure set you up for a command line build |
| 19:43.32 | fluffymcduff | it only failed in xcode |
| 19:43.34 | JeffM2501 | xcode does others tuff |
| 19:43.35 | JeffM2501 | stuff |
| 19:43.47 | JeffM2501 | you probably need to clean first |
| 19:43.51 | fluffymcduff | but it gives an error about autogen.sh in xcode |
| 19:44.01 | JeffM2501 | yes, xcode calls autogen |
| 19:44.12 | JeffM2501 | but I belive it does it in a different WAY then the shell |
| 19:44.19 | fluffymcduff | and when i run the unix executable, it says it can't find fonts. |
| 19:44.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not a unix executable |
| 19:44.38 | JeffM2501 | it's a mac one |
| 19:44.41 | JeffM2501 | tell it where the fonts are |
| 19:44.46 | JeffM2501 | or throw it into an existing .app |
| 19:44.50 | JeffM2501 | the .app is just a folder |
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| 19:53.00 | fluffymcduff | okay, im back. |
| 19:53.07 | JeffM2501 | we can see that |
| 19:53.10 | fluffymcduff | lol |
| 19:53.15 | JeffM2501 | there is this green text that says so |
| 19:53.20 | fluffymcduff | why is the unix executable asking for fonts? |
| 19:53.29 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> it's not a unix executable |
| 19:53.29 | JeffM2501 | * fluffymcduff has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 19:53.29 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> it's a mac one |
| 19:53.29 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> tell it where the fonts are |
| 19:53.29 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> or throw it into an existing .app |
| 19:53.31 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> the .app is just a folder |
| 19:53.36 | JeffM2501 | because it's not in an app |
| 19:53.40 | JeffM2501 | put it in one, or tell it where the data dir is |
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| 19:55.06 | fluffymcduff | the wifi here sucks. |
| 19:55.18 | fluffymcduff | so can it read normal fonts? |
| 19:55.28 | JeffM2501 | dude... you arn't even listening |
| 19:55.32 | JeffM2501 | sure it can |
| 19:55.36 | JeffM2501 | it just don't know where they are |
| 19:55.40 | fluffymcduff | i disconnected. |
| 19:55.48 | fluffymcduff | woot! |
| 19:55.50 | JeffM2501 | by default the mac built assumes it's in a .app |
| 19:55.59 | JeffM2501 | you didn't put it in a .app |
| 19:56.07 | JeffM2501 | so it told you it could not find the data dir |
| 19:56.14 | fluffymcduff | alright |
| 19:56.32 | JeffM2501 | so you can put it into a .app, or tell it where the data dir is |
| 19:56.35 | JeffM2501 | your choice |
| 19:57.14 | fluffymcduff | alright! |
| 20:03.15 | fluffymcduff | okay it works. thanks guys. |
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| 22:30.48 | Cobra_Fast | mrapplecomputer1: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=16016&p=147399#p147399 - you're wrong, you cannot change the name there. |
| 22:31.02 | Cobra_Fast | well i can't. |
| 22:32.58 | JeffM | you used to, we removed that feature |
| 22:33.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh, just kidding then |
| 22:33.19 | JeffM | it had the potential for abbuse |
| 22:33.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | *cough* bambino *cough* |
| 22:33.45 | JeffM | he showed us the problem yes |
| 22:33.53 | JeffM | was a good security catch on his part |
| 22:34.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | he showed it because he used to use it ;) |
| 22:34.36 | JeffM | he showed us an example |
| 22:34.46 | JeffM | I am unaware of him using it for any other reason |
| 22:35.08 | JeffM | sometimes you need an example of a flaw to fully grasp it's meaning |
| 22:35.15 | JeffM | you of all people should understand that |
| 22:35.30 | JeffM | I hear costco has lots of tacos ;) |
| 22:35.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | haha |
| 22:36.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | -reportpipe is one of the biggest security holes ever invented :P |
| 22:36.41 | JeffM | only if you arn't set up right |
| 22:36.54 | JeffM | you can't blame us for using a feature in a way that causes problems |
| 22:36.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | yah :P |
| 22:37.19 | JeffM | the fact that you are using raw input in a command line or config is the main problem |
| 22:38.19 | JeffM | but then you arn't the first person to make that mistake |
| 22:39.15 | JeffM | somebody does need to work more on the group manager at some point |
| 22:39.24 | JeffM | hopes blast gets around to it with his framework |
| 22:39.43 | AAA_awright | Perhaps it would be a good idea to prefix GLOBAL. or some namespace to global groups too, otherwise that hole is never fully closed |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM | or local on local |
| 22:40.13 | AAA_awright | I had some changes to the group manager but I can't seem to find where I saved them... |
| 22:40.18 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:40.21 | AAA_awright | I think it was on the HDD that died |
| 22:40.35 | JeffM | the group manager spec requires that groups be put into orgs |
| 22:40.41 | JeffM | and org names be unique |
| 22:40.50 | JeffM | so the only thing you can do is rename the subnames |
| 22:41.00 | JeffM | that should make it decently clean enough |
| 22:43.20 | JeffM | wheeeee..... earthquake |
| 22:44.00 | JeffM | that musta been a good one |
| 22:46.03 | BulletCatcher | magnitude 6.9, in Baja |
| 22:46.17 | BulletCatcher | It lasted 45 seconds here. |
| 22:46.19 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:46.27 | JeffM | bout that long here too I think |
| 22:46.30 | JeffM | long rolls |
| 22:46.36 | JeffM | made me feel dizzy |
| 22:50.38 | JeffM | looks like mostly farmland around the center |
| 22:51.13 | BulletCatcher | Oh, good. Less damage and injuries that way. |
| 22:52.11 | JeffM | mexicali had to feel it |
| 22:52.21 | JeffM | you are south of me right? |
| 22:54.32 | AAA_awright | I felt it |
| 22:54.36 | JeffM | damn, it must be the future, I was able to find out info on what happned less then a min after I felt it. |
| 22:54.43 | AAA_awright | I thought I was dizzy |
| 22:54.51 | JeffM | yeah me too |
| 22:55.00 | JeffM | my first thoiught was "oh no I'm getting sick again" |
| 22:57.20 | BulletCatcher | aftershock just now |
| 22:57.47 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: Yes. I am in San Diego county. |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM | 3.5 more north |
| 22:59.38 | JeffM | and one up near frisco |
| 23:01.15 | JeffM | well aprearnatly vertical blinds make good earthquake detectors |
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| 23:45.01 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.17 | Yassen | try /set _tankSpeed 0.00001 |
| 23:45.33 | brad | that works. just wondering why 0 doesn't. |
| 23:46.00 | Yassen | likely because the function that converts strings to floats returns 0 if the string isn't a number |
| 23:47.03 | brad | oh. is _tankAngVel not stored as a float then? |
| 23:47.32 | Yassen | probably because it isn't checked |
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| 23:48.51 | brad | you seem to be right. /set _tankAngVel insert_non-number_here breaks it horribly :) |
| 23:49.35 | brad | screen goes black and it says I'm "sealed" |
| 23:50.04 | brad | why are they not all validated though? |
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| 23:51.11 | blast007 | brad: a limit was put in to prevent possible math issues (like divide by zero) |
| 23:51.18 | blast007 | so it has to be a non-zero positive value |
| 23:52.02 | brad | gotcha |
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